Ron Paul and the ‘Nazi money’ smear

Ron Paul is a long shot candidate that is having his chances improve all the time. It is not hard to see that a lot of the media pundits would like to see him out of the race because of the opinions he has been expressing, like his opposition to the Iraq War and opposition to corporate welfare. Usually Ron Paul is ignored by the main stream media, and that forces his supporters to come up with gimmicks to force the media to pay attention, like breaking the US record for political donations in a single day - that was on December 16th.

That being true, Ron Paul seems to have no trouble attracting all kinds of negative media attention. Much was made by the media about Ron Paul supporters being “spammers” when he was winning all kinds of online polls, a smear that has lost its power with the proof of his fund raising from small, individual donors. Likewise there was an attempt to link Ron Paul to the 9/11 truth movement, with claims that he “met” with 9/11 truthers, when in fact they simply turned up to a place where he was campaigning and asked him a question. There was even a hilariously clumsy hit piece on FOX news about it.

Much jesting was also made about the support of a Nevada brothel owners support of Ron Paul, and there was hand wringing over a $500 donation by a neo-nazi website owner.

The MSM is stirring up a storm in a tea cup because Ron Paul did not return the donation given by the neo-nazi website owner. I haven’t heard of any groups demanding that the brothel owners donation be returned, although I suppose there are groups out there demanding that too. What is important to understand is that Ron Paul is a libertarian, but not a social libertarian. That means he supports freedom to do things even if he doesn’t approve of how that freedom is used.

The donation by the brothel owner from Nevada and neo-nazi website owner makes a good comparison. Ron Paul does not approve of brothels but does not think the federal government should have anything to do with it. Therefore the brothel owner supports him. The neo-nazi website owner is against the Iraq War and against giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. Therefore he is supporting Ron Paul, who is the only Republican candidate to hold both of those positions. Even the neo-nazi website owner concedes that Ron Paul is not supporting their positions.

Black said he supports Paul’s stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing America’s borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

“We know that he’s not a white nationalist. He says he isn’t and we believe him, but on the issues, there’s only one choice,” Black said Wednesday.

The neo-nazi website owner supports Ron Paul not because Ron Paul is a crypto-racist, but out of mainstream interests that are of concern to a lot of people. There is only so far one can take guilt by association but I suppose one could also claim that anyone that wants an end to both the Iraq War and illegal immigration are neo-nazis because it happens to be the same position of a neo-nazi website owner.

So why not just return the donation, you ask? Well, as Ron Paul says, the money has probably already been spent and any money sent back would be out of another persons donation. Isn’t it strange that people are turning around and demanding that Ron Paul should make a donation to a neo-nazi website owner? Nonetheless, Ron Paul is one of the leading proponents of civil rights in congress and if anything could turn ‘bad money’ into ‘good money’, it is a donation to the Ron Paul campaign. Ron Paul answers questions in detail about that particular donation on Neil Cavuto’s show..

Returning the money will not end this ‘problem’ for Ron Paul, it will only cause a snowball effect, as the media manages to dig up more people that have fringe ideas, at which point Ron Paul’s campaign will be more about vetting the irrelevant ideas of people that happen to support his campaign than running for the Presidency. It is Ron Paul’s ideas that will be implemented if he is to become President, not the ideas of the MSM caricature of his supporters.

All of this is consistent with his belief system. He endorses freedom but does not endorse what people do with it. He will take your money, even money from brothel owners, neo-nazi website owners, and also the far more numerous regular people, but they won’t get anything back for it from him except what he has explicitly promised to do if he is elected president. Ron Paul would even take money from the neo-con war criminal Military Torture Complex if they were foolish enough to send him money. Now that would be real dirty money! Money that every single Republican candidate can count on – except Ron Paul.

Perhaps support of brothel owners or neo-nazi website owners might be a scary thing if they were supporters of candidates that are already proven whores of special interests like Big Pharma and the Military Industrial Complex. People might then suspect a relationship between the candidate and the objectionable donors. The candidates that are rejecting certain donors are just trying to prove that they are honest politicians in the sense once a special interest buys them, they stay bought. Ron Paul on the other hand cannot be bought and has proven that time and time again during his ten terms in congress. Lobbyists do not even bother to darken his congressional door.

In the debates Ron Paul talked about important issues that are being ignored by the other Republican candidates, like the plunging dollar, the Iraq War, and special interests, which makes the other mercenary candidates nervous. As the only candidate not on the payroll, Ron Paul is in a unique position to criticise the source of their endless millions for campaigning, something the other candidates cannot do because they often have the same donors, which is a great insurance policy for the special interests that have hijacked the nations policy against the interests of the people.

The Republicans are going to lose the election because every single one of them running, except for Ron Paul, resembles President Bush running for a third term. Only Ron Paul, the true change candidate, has a chance to save the Republican party from a humiliating but easily foreseen defeat. No amount of guilt by association smears by the Bushite wing of the Republican party and their dead-ender supporters will change that fact.gay movies porno free totallymovies free big boobshorse fucking moviesage movie deteriorationmovie fisting galleriesmovie fisting galleriesfucking movies horsehead movie jar Map

This suggestion was met with a deluge of derision and snide remarks from a lot of expats online, which really wasn’t a surprise to me.

Your suggestion was met with derision and snide remarks because you tried to label people as racists. It was well deserved, in my opinion.

Nevertheless, there have been some expats out there who still use the term either incorrectly (though they think they know), or contemptuously (though they deny it).

Ah, your definition of the word neither matches the dictionary definition, nor the actual usage of the word in the Korean media.

However, if you are a Korean citizen, living, working or studying outside of Korea, techinically, you are not a 교포, you are a “유학생” (for students) or 한국사람 for Korean expat workers.

Wrong. A permanent resident in a foreign country that is a Korean citizen can be called a 교포 (kyopo). In fact, I came across one such example today, quite by chance.

저는 캐나다에 거주중인 교포입니다.

If you cannot tell why this Korean is clearly stating that he is a Korean citizen and a kyopo residing in Canada, then you are not qualified to lecture people about word meanings. Also, why do many kyopo, including you (and I am talking about kyopo from all around, not just the USA) automatically think they are better at Korean that white people that often know more Korean than them?

Which brings me to another issue - you use the word “expats” in much the same way as people use “kyopo”. Why don’t you say “Americans”, or specify the ethnicity? A case of calling the kettle black, I think!

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Hi Matt,

It could be that Abe was being provocative in regards to Korea, but somehow I doubt it. I would say it has more to do with the pressing concerns of the US House Resolution. I would add that the comments were not really a “choice” that he had regarding the timing because he was answering a question about the Kono statement (I think! All this comfort woman talk is making my brains as addled as theirs!).

As you point out, the statement itself is a clumsy. Not a gaffe, but absolute poison without the proper context.

OK, so why is point so important? Why does PM Abe risk looking like “holocaust denier” to dispute the point that the Japanese army was actually involved in rounding up these women? It is simple. That small fact changes the meaning of the comfort woman from one that was for most people a completely and legal system of prostitution with a number of cases of genuine abuses, to one where every single woman was kidnapped by the Japanese army and forced into sexual slavery.

The Japanese government is in a pickle. On one hand, there are people saying they were abused at the comfort stations, and some say they were forced to go there by Japanese soldiers. On the other hand, the Japanese government cannot find any documents indicating that Japanese soldiers did round up women. However, the Japanese government cannot prove a negative, and even in the largely voluntary system of prostitution that we have in the west, there are still cases of abuse.

The other problem is that yes, there WERE women that were forced to have sex. Not really sex slaves, since they were paid, but yes, the system was set up in a way that did not respect individual and female rights. Among the willing prostitutes there were also girls that were sold by their parents, either to a kisaeng house (a traditional Korean geisha brothel) who then sold them to the army, or directly to brokers/recruiters for the Japanese army. In a way, selling to the Japanese army meant that a girl would work a 6-12 month contract before she could come home.

What this means is that many of the girls would actually have either been pressured by their family to do it, or conceivably in some cases, told by their family and recruiters a lie about what the job entailed. So in this sense, some of the girls would have been forced. Japanese and Korean society at the time did not give much attention to individual or womens rights, so there would be little the girls could do to protect their rights, especially once money changed hands. Once the family received the advance, which is as much as 3000 yen (to put it in perspective, a common soldier got 10 yen a month), that was the end. Whether she wanted to be a prostitute or not, she would have to either work at the comfort station, or pay back the advance, and if she had the money to pay back the advance, she wouldn’t be in that situation in the first place. I am sure you can imagine what would happen if a “comfort woman”, who’s family had received the advance, refused to have sex at the comfort station. Once the contract was done in 6-12 months, she could return home, along with the additional money she earned at the comfort station, said to be 750 yen per month.

So the situation is that Japan was in control at the time, so the buck stops with them. However, it would also be wrong to impose the present societal attitudes in judging the past. Both Korean and Japanese people have a long history, up until after the second half of the 20th century, of selling their female family members. So yes, in that sense it is wrong. On the other hand, Koreans did not respect their women either, so it is not right for them to attack Japan unilaterally on this issue.

I find it not only likely, but almost inevitable that these kinds of abuses took place, given the state of society in Japan and Korea. Parents pressuring and selling their daughters should have been forbidden, but I think there would have been a lot of people that thought that as long as the parents agreed to it, then the girls were not being forced.

So the issue is very complex. The US House Resolution has strawmanned the comfort woman controversy to death by asserting that every single one of the 200,000 mostly Korean comfort women (and that number is a matter of disputation) was forced into it by the Japanese army and their agents, and that the women were sex slaves, and that all this could be kept a secret until the 1980s. 200,000 missing women would have been a story of undeniable historical significance, and it would have been known from the moment that women started to be kidnapped. The claim that 200,000 women were kidnapped by the Japanese army and their agents takes place in a historical void. No contempory document, diary, newspaper, or anything else even mentions it. It simply did not happen.movies first anal timemovie incest free clipsexams gynecology moviesjar head the moviemovie download porn longmovies tgpper view pay moviesreality movie teen Map

WHAT WAS SAID
1) I stand by my posts (1, 2) that a) did not call Koreans “Nazis” but b) mere pointed out interesting points at which there seems to be uncomfortable overlap between Nazi ideology and aspects of modern Korean nationalist ideology, with the possibility of 2 major points of direct contact, one being the active study of said ideology by a major contributor to the construction of the Korean nation itself (which I in the original article, I acknowledged was through a secondary source and would be interesting for someone to look further into), and the other being the more diffuse route of nihonjinron (a form of Japanese ethnic nationalism/ideology) that most definitely has myriad links to what some newer scholars are calling hangukinron, what you could call Korea’s own form of ethnic nationalism.

Then I added in the peculiar fact that there doesn’t seem to be much negative reaction to all kinds of real Hitler and Nazi iconography as found in the wave of Nazi theme bars and other “funny” Nazi-era icons. Does this make Koreans Nazis? Of course not. I already admitted that I thought the national anthem thing was a stretch, especially after some good comments pointing that out.

There’s also the interesting streak of rabid anti-Semitism that does exist in both Japan and Korea, which some people in Japanese Studies (see Michael Goodman) has already published about. I guess he’s crazy for suggesting links between Germany and Japan as well.

Did I say that Koreans were actually Nazis, ready to engage in pogroms and another “final solution?” Come on. Can we get some intelligent responses here?

But why is it a sin to broach the topic when there are quite possibly some interesting links with Nazi Germany’s ideology, some of them direct and indirect, some obviously stronger than others?

Who is being intellectually close-minded here?

As always, Occi and his boosters are totally misrepresenting what was said.

Michael, are you saying that the criticism that you recieved on those two posts about Korean nationalism is due to me and my ‘boosters’? I had not even read those two posts, and looking at the commenters, all of them are your readers, not mine. Michael, you are taking this persecution complex to the extreme… I am NOT the source of all your problems. Please stop fixating on me, its not funny, its wierd and scary, and makes me glad I am not in Korea.diploma online accredited doctoratemedical coding online accreditedexpress credit better discover american cardtesting material michigan accreditedaccount challenge and receivables repair creditfor $2500 credit bad loansaccreditation des etablissementcourses traffic online accredited air management Map

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