Although the topic of discussion has not fully drifted to it yet, eating dog has come up in the comment section of this post.  Just in case someone had something they’d like to say but don’t want to hijack any threads to do so, I thought it would be appropriate to start a new one just for this topic.

My Points/Questions to consider while discussing:

– Dog raised for human consumption in Korea can be raised on a farm. Are there any differences between raising dog and raising cattle on a farm?

– It (dog meat) can also be purchased on the black market, probably from stolen pets. Does that mean the act of eating dog itself is wrong, or just stealing pets is wrong?

– Is it wrong to eat dog because dog is a pet? If so, is it natural for dogs to be pets, or is that only cultural?

– (In relation to the statement directly above) If western culture says dogs are a pet, not food, and western animal rights groups protest the human consumption of dog, is it okay for Indian animal rights groups to protest the human consumption of beef, as the cow is a very sacred animal in Indian culture?

– One major argument I hear against eating dog is the way it is prepared, or rather, the way it is killed. Apparently dog meat tastes better when hot oil is thrown on the dog before the slaughter. As with point/question 2, is the problem eating dog, or throwing hot oil on it?

As anyone can tell after reading my thoughts above, for the most part I don’t have a problem with the act of eating dog itself, but rather have issues with some of the steps that lead up to it. If those issues could be resolved, I see no inherit problem with eating dog.

But this discussion doesn’t stop with me, rather it only begins. Talk about the issue amongst yourselves, I’ll put good/interesting points both for and against eating dog up here as they come along. And be nice.

(And if this post is just, well, lame, tell me, and I’ll keep that in mind for future reference.)

Your points:

For:

– “… [T]he idea that dogs are special and somehow less deserving of the suffering of being slaughtered than other animals is illogical. The treatment of dogs in Korea is often deplorable, but so is that of all animals reared for meat in Korea, and indeed around the world. Nothing different here.” dudeinwales

– “Personally I find it morally unacceptable to torture animals before they are slaughtered, otherwise there is no problem with eating them as long as they are tasty.” eli

– “The barbaric practice of torturing the animal before it is slaughtered ’so that it tastes better’ must be banned immediately. I believe that is the most important step they can take to bring the rest of the world around to the fact that it is just an animal raised on a farm to be eaten.” jonallen

– “I agree, for anyone living in Australia just look at the ads placed in both sunday papers advetising the extremely inhumane way pigs and cows and chickens are treated in australia and most countries for human consumption. Humans dont eat other carnivores? The biggest substitue for the everyday fish and chips is Shark meat and a shark is a carnivore. so this argument is pointless.Moreover the argument that they are our friends and help man well i ate Horse on my first trip to Japan and how long has horse been helping man? I dont think we have a right to judge Coreans on their dietry habits, whast the old saying “those in glass houses” …well im sure this applies to all of us” smackout

Against:

– “I personally think that there is something wrong with eating dog. Nowhere in the animal kingdom do carnivorous animals eat other carnivores. Humans don’t eat lions, but we could eat zebras or giraffes which the lions also eat. Look at the animals humans eat – cows, sheep, chicken, pigs. No carnivores among them.

Dogs are natural meat-eaters.” randomcow

Extra bonus points:

– “It’s a dog eat dog world…I’d just as soon eat people.” MarkA

Feel I’ve put your comment in the wrong catagory, or that I’ve misrepresented you? Just say so.

Posted by Darin, filed under Random. Date: October 31, 2006, 3:55 am | 54 Comments »

megumi yokota
Megumi Yokota – kidnapped in 1977 at the age of 13 on the orders of the North Korean government

The EU and Japan are to submit a resolution to the UN condemning North Korea’s state sponsored kidnapping of Japanese and other foreigners.

NEW YORK — The draft of a new U.N. resolution that Japan and the European Union is sponsoring contains a phrase bitterly criticizing Pyongyang’s abduction of foreigners as violations of state sovereignty and human rights abuses, it was learned Friday.

Japan and the EU will jointly submit the draft resolution to a U.N. General Assembly panel on human rights by early November.

North Korea has been increasingly isolated from the rest of the world since it conducted a nuclear test earlier this month and will likely come under mounting pressure from the international community over the human rights issue, diplomatic sources said.

The draft, a copy of which has been obtained by the Mainichi, points out that organized, extensive and serious human rights abuses have been reported in North Korea. As examples, it cites the existence of concentration camps, torture of North Korean escapees who have been forcibly sent back home and human trafficking of women.

It is more strongly worded than the previous resolution adopted last December in condemning Pyongyang for its human rights abuses.

It brands North Korea’s abduction of foreigners including Japanese nationals as a violation of other states’ sovereignty and an abuse of human rights of the individuals concerned. Last year’s resolution stopped short of condemning North Korea for abducting foreign nationals.

U.N. resolutions are legally nonbinding, but express the international community’s opinions.

There are plenty of missing people all around the world. Who knows how many of them are in North Korea against their will? The North Korean government is holding people against their will to this very day, and needs to be strongly condemned.

Posted by Matt, filed under diplomacy, finger chopping wacky. Date: October 28, 2006, 7:33 am | 39 Comments »

Studies have statistically shown that there’s less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.

-Office Space

I’m afraid I had to let YoungRocco go. He was given more warnings then anyone else in the history of time, when he failed to yield to the warnings, I went out of my way to edit his comments removing the attitude and leaving the ‘substance’ rather then just deleting his comment or banning him like would have happened on any other site on the net.

But when confronted about his lies claiming that I had deleted ‘vital portions’ of his argument, he just disappeared, waiting for another post to be started so he could continue his hijacking then. Finally, he attempted to call me a liar, yet when confronted with the evidence against, he started pulling the ‘you hate Korea’ card.

And that’s when you know you’ve lost. If you can’t handle criticism without claiming that anyone who criticizes you ‘hates’ you, you’re saying that you think you are perfect and flawless. Sorry YoungRocco, but their is no perfect person/country/anything in this world. If you can’t handle seeing people criticize Korea, I encourage you to simply look the other way. Anyone who can participate in discussion, either in agreement or disagreement with any posters or commenters on this site is always welcome, anyone like yourself who does nothing more then hijack threads is never welcome.

I’m sure you’ll be back with a new account and a new name, but you will not start over from zero on warnings just by creating a new account. Any account discovered to be from you, will be removed without warning.

Lastly, for everyone, the atmosphere here at Occidentalism has been completely destroyed by YoungRocco and his childish attitude problems. He has corrupted many of the commenters here (and perhaps myself as well). Please, everyone, we all need to take a good look at ourselves and be sure we’re helping to solve that problem, not create it.

Sorry to have to be an ass like this, but I think it was the best course of action to be taken.

Posted by Darin, filed under Rants. Date: October 28, 2006, 1:43 am | 14 Comments »

Propaganda
North Korean propaganda (courtesy of DPRK Studies)

The Washington Times has an editorial calling for the US to force South Korean companies propping up the North Korean regime to choose do business with North Korea, or the US. The editorial is also calling for an investment boycott of South Korean companies doing business with the enemies of the US.

The second — and possibly more tractable — impediment is posed by our nominal ally, South Korea. Seoul is guided by its left-wing, appeasement-minded president, Roh Moo Hyun, and the vested interests of roughly 10 publicly traded South Korean firms led by Hyundai that are determined to extend the misery Mr. Kim has inflicted on his people by simultaneously exploiting them for what amounts to slave labor, while enriching the North Korean despot. This is the effect of a variety of the North’s “Social Overhead Capital” (SOC) projects underwritten by the South.

The leading edge of these projects is an industrial park at Kaesong and a major tourist resort at Mount Kumgang. Editorializing on the odious nature of these ventures last Thursday, the Wall Street Journal observed:
“The Kaesong industrial park and Mount Kumgang resort are the centerpieces of the South’s misbegotten ‘Sunshine Policy’ of engagement with the North. They are also money machines for Kim Jong-il, contributing to the record $1 billion North-South trade last year. … Now that U.S.-led financial sanctions have reduced the North’s cash-flow from counterfeiting and drug-smuggling, money from the two sites is even more critical to the survival of Kim’s regime.”
The Journal noted the South Koreans responded to the unanimous U.N. Security Council resolution imposing additional sanctions on North Korea by immediately announcing the two sites would be exempt from their strictures.

The reason is not hard to fathom: According to a Web site maintained by one of Hyundai’s subsidiaries [http://www.hyundai-asan.com], South Korea expects to invest nearly $15 billion in these SOC projects in the North [including construction of new power utilities ($2.3 billion); developing telecommunications networks ($6 billion); the establishing and maintaining railroads ($4.7 billion); supplying water to Mount Kumgang ($770 million); and creating a new dam on the Imjin River ($660 million).] The hope is to grow the number of North Korean laborers slaving away for roughly $1.10 per day from 8,200 to 730,000 by 2012.

That is a huge sum of money invested in North Korean infrastructure. Surely this new infrastructure was either used for, or freed up the resources for, the North Korean nuclear program.

Astonishingly, even as Hyundai is working at cross-purposes with U.S. vital interests — including in Iran and Sudan, several of the company’s subsidiaries were as of 2005 suppliers to the Pentagon. Another Defense Department vendor is Samsung, which is also doing business with Kim Jong-il. The Defense Department’s reliance on such double-dealing vendors should be ended at once and the extent of the practice with respect to other companies that partner with terrorist-sponsoring regimes should be the subject of urgent congressional hearings.

Hear hear!

At the same time, American citizens should immediately review their portfolios, including their pension funds (both public ones such as the Federal Thrift Savings Plan and private ones like mutual funds). Hyundai, Samsung and others companies helping our enemies should be forced to choose: Do business with American investors or do business with their enemies.

The time has come to privatize management of the North Korean crisis. Rather than rely on the Communist Chinese — the putative “honest-broker” in the Six-Party Talks — or our deeply conflicted allies in South Korea voluntarily to bring an end to the danger we face from Pyongyang, we must call on the American people to create incentives for ending this danger by divesting North Korea.

I think that would work. There is nothing more scary to South Koreans and South Korean companies than a boycott. I think a boycott has the potential to change their behavior. Lets hope the campaign for a boycott gains steam.

Read the rest of the editorial for yourself.

Posted by Matt, filed under diplomacy. Date: October 24, 2006, 5:43 pm | 24 Comments »

Report: SKorea develops cruise missile capable of reaching beyond NKorea [IHT]

SEOUL, South Korea South Korea has developed a longer-range cruise missile that can hit targets deep in North Korea and beyond, a newspaper reported Tuesday, a month after reports said the country had developed its first cruise missile.
The new missile has a range of 1,000 kilometers (621 miles), which could reach all of North Korea and some parts of China, Japan and Russia, the newspaper Munhwa Ilbo reported, citing unidentified government officials.

Under a South Korea-U.S. missile agreement signed in 2001, South Korea can only develop missiles with a range of less than 300 kilometers (200 miles) and a payload under 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds).
But there is an exception in the case of cruise missiles. South Korea can develop a cruise missile with no range restriction as long as its payload is under 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds).

I’m glad to see that even though the talk coming from South Korea in regards to North Korea isn’t of the caliber one would expect based on the situation, the actions being taken are more showing of the true thoughts on the government’s mind. When they make moves like this that show they clearly are concerned about their safety, it makes it obvious all the talk of ‘loving brother Kim^2′ wasn’t meant to fool anyone but Kim^2 himself. But I imagine this type of saying one thing and doing completely the opposite can’t look good on one’s resume, however in this case it’s better then doing nothing.

(Answer: Of course it can! The Chugoku Shimbun reports the missile can even reach Tokyo.)

In Addition: This image from the original article shows the range in something that is easier for us to grasp then numbers.

Posted by Darin, filed under Battle Report. Date: October 24, 2006, 5:11 am | 37 Comments »

According to a report out of the Korean Ministry of Commerce, Industry, and Energy, $30 of the $57.50 monthly salary of workers at Gaeseong Industrial Complex goes to the North Korean Worker’s Party. After “insurance and other costs” are deducted from the salaries, workers are left with only $10 a month.

The Unification Ministry had claimed that workers got an average monthly salary of $66 with 30 percent deducted for things like housing and medical costs.

Chosun Ilbo: “N. Korean Party ‘Takes 60 Percent of Kaesong Wages'”

Posted by Gerry-Bevers, filed under diplomacy, finger chopping wacky. Date: October 23, 2006, 5:52 am | 3 Comments »

The Party Pooper seems to have inside information on current events in Korea.

Day in Photos Fall 2006

Posted by Gerry-Bevers, filed under Funny. Date: October 22, 2006, 3:58 pm | No Comments »

The following are links to North Korean videos, I think, that show just how outrageous North Korean brainwashing is. Is it a joke or what? Do they really expect people outside of North Korea to take these videos seriously?

The following is a funny German video called “Super Kim.”

Super Kim

Posted by Gerry-Bevers, filed under finger chopping wacky. Date: October 22, 2006, 7:26 am | 1 Comment »

The Dong-A Ilbo has an interesting interview with a researcher from the Japan Center for International Finance. The following excerpt may give you an ideal what it is about:

On October 19, Dr. Yun Min-ho (51), a special researcher of Japan Center for International Finance, a major Japanese government think tank, said with concern during an interview with Dong-A Ilbo, “If the South Korean government continues its current North Korean policies, it is likely that the U.S. and Japan, and even China will avoid South Korea.”

He said, “The South Korean government is not disclosing much clearly, but various economic situations prove that North Korea has developed nuclear weapons with the funds that the South has been shoveling into the North.”

“Firms With N. Korean Ties Blacklisted?”

Posted by Gerry-Bevers, filed under diplomacy. Date: October 22, 2006, 6:10 am | 15 Comments »

The following headline has got to be one of the biggest understatements of the year:

S. Korean-run industrial park in N. Korea losing appeal in trade talks with U.S.

From the beginning, it was dumb for South Korea to insist that the Gaeseong Industial Complex in North Korea be included in a free trade agreement (FTA) with the United States, but after North Korea’s recent nuclear bomb test, continuing such insistence would be idiotic.

Posted by Gerry-Bevers, filed under diplomacy. Date: October 22, 2006, 2:01 am | 1 Comment »

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