Occidentalism

Matt
I just read 화병. It just proved me that your opinion is one sided and Your opinions are more favorable to Japan way more than Korea. Also this is anti-korean website. Look at the thread about Korea. It’s always negative. Some White australian guy wrote some stuff. It wasn’t worth reading it because it will be another ignorant stuff. White australians are racist as shit too. Not everybody. Could be bad as the jewish guy name ali who played the amazing racist

This japanese book might offend lot of koreans and that’s their goal.But strangely it doesn’t offend me. It’s just too idiotic.

I wish someone could spread these books over the internet through torrents lol. Translated of course. Without wanting to be illegal.

I wish someone could spread these books over the internet through torrents lol. Translated of course. Without wanting to be illegal.

Here are a couple of small parts translated into Korean. Since the translators are just normal people, I cannot guarantee accuracy. Here and here.

will somebody etell me once and for all which races are the ones that are all racist? by racist I mean pre-judging all people of a certain race. thanks in advance.

I wish someone translated Kenkanryu into English as well hehe.

will somebody etell me once and for all which races are the ones that are all racist? by racist I mean pre-judging all people of a certain race. thanks in advance.

Does it start with a K?

I bought this book today.and i have finished it now .
The book says, several Korean publishers offered the publication in Korea, but it turned out that the book would be illegal in korea;it would violate the law called pro-Japanese something.I do not know how it violates the law in korea.

ponta, this is the law that it would violate:
Korean: 친일진상규명법
Japanese: 日帝強占下反民族行為真相究明特別法
I had mentioned it before on my blog and said, “it’s no wonder no one gets along with each other in Asia; just across the Sea Of Japan it’s illegal!” to which I got the response, “Ah the lies some will tell to make their neighbour look bad…”, except it’s not a lie, but a law on the books since March 2nd 2004. There is also another one, 親日反民族行為者財産帰属特別法 (no Korean or English article available on wikipedia) that allows for the pro-Japanese persons families to have all their assets ceased by the government. That one was passed December 8th, 2005.

I’ve heard that Sho-Kan-Ryu　(笑韓流) is coming next by a different author.

darintenb
Thanks, Wow, I wonder what this law is for.

I have 2 problems with that law. One is that it does not specify when the ‘evil japs’ became human beings and it’s okay to like them again. Meaning that theoretically, one could accuse someone of being pro-japanese today and cease all their assets.
The other problem I have is the issue of making a law after the fact. You can’t make a new law to make something done in the past a crime, it just don’t work that way. These laws were both created very recently. It would be like me becoming president and making a law that says all people named ‘ponta’ are to be executed. Such a law would only be acceptable if it was to say that all people named ‘ponta’ who get their name from this date forward are to be executed. Obviously executing someone for their name is ridiculous, but it’s just an example.
Okay, so I have three problems… Because it still is effective today, it limits free speech. One can not publish a comic book because it’s against the law — to be that’s breaking free speech laws.

Being a pro-Japanese nowadays isn’t a danger, it doesn’t mean he/she is betraying the country. I wonder why there isn’t Anti-Chinese law, if there isn’t, in Korea. Being pro-China (eek) is more dangerous than being pro-Japan in a situation we are right now. Why there isn’t anti-China law? Because Koreans are blind.

Katz, I agree with you that Koreans are blind. However, the rest of your message I do not understand. IN your mind, what do you mean by an ‘anti-China’ law? What exactly would make up an ‘anti-China’ law?

Koguryo, North Korea and other issues.

And socialism threat.

Katz
I totally agree with you that China is bigger threat to Korea than Japan.
But anti china law??? that is an absurd……..

ponta
KanKanryo is published in Korea and there is no such law as anti japan law or projapan law or whaterver you say there is…… Also publishing a book about pro japanese view is not illegal in Korea.
However publishing a book about pro North Korea view is illegal according to Korea’s national security act.

darintenb
Korean: 친일진상규명법
Japanese: 日帝強占下反民族行為真相究明特別法
This law is not about seizing assets of people who are projapanese . that is an absurd.. are you kidding me???? Even China(totaliterean state don’t have that kind of law)
But it’s a stupid law… It’s not even a law actually just political to gain popularity
친일진상규명법(국권침탈 전후부터 광복 이전까지 행해진 친일반민족행위에 관한 진상을 규명해 역사의 진실과 민족 정통성을 바로 세우기 위해 제정된 특별법.)
From annexation of Korea until liberation(1945) Law is to exmaine and figure out how many Korean people and what kind of people had done pro Japanese act during colonial period.

Darin
Yea, I agree.There is a word for it. It’s called 遡及法sokyuhou or 事後法jigohou.I do not know a English word for it.but it is embodied in this article.
Article 11.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

Hannara
thanks.
I am not sure but the book said that since it would violate the law,it was not published in korea.i think that is a good reason why it was not published.(You knows, publishers knows that it’s gonna sell a lot if it is published in Korea)
And It seems the link Darin showed says that the law takes away the property
which belonged to then pro-Japanese.http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/親日反民族行為者財産帰属特別法

Ponta, wait…

Hannara is saying that Kenkanryuu is available in Korea.
Hannara said:

KanKanryo is published in Korea and there is no such law as anti japan law or projapan law or whaterver you say there is……

Hannara, care to tell us the publisher in Korea for the Kenkanryuu?
Perhaps there was a brave little publisher not afraid of telephone call
attacks by VANKS and the others!!

Ell

Hannara is saying that Kenkanryuu is available in Korea

It seems that I was mistaken.
I want to know the publisher too because a lot of Japanese mistakenly think that the freedom of expression is unnecessarily restricted in Korea.

Hello, folks. I don’t think a Korean version of Kenkanryu has come out yet, though I’ve heard that a publisher in Korea did try. Sorry if I’m wrong.

In any case, I have never seen a Korean person who actually read Kenkanryu and provided any logical arguments against specific things stated in the book. Not that I am a big fan of Kenkanryuu, but I wish Koreans could actually read it so that they would at least feel some doubts about all the anti-Japanese crap they learned at school.

It’s really annoying that some people here seem to believe that Kenkanryu and Hyomilryu are the same kind of racist crap. You may not like what’s in Kenkanryuu–its politics is revisionist, and yes, anti-Korean–but the arguments there are based on historical and sociological sources. So if it IS available, read it. If you find something erraneous, you can point it out.

i know this motherF*****!! This guys a famous IlPPA in naver free boards. I had no idea this guy was wannabe jap internationally

1. Ponta

No, the book wouldn’t be illegal for being pro-Japanese. Only an extreemly pro-NK book would be caught by the Korean National Security Law.

2. darintenb

The 친일 반민족행위자 재산환수 특별법안 that you mentioned doesn’t take ALL the assets of former pro-Japanese families: it aims to “reclaim” the land that was given by the Japanese Government to the pro-Japanese families for their participation of the colonial government. It’ll will not allow the taking away of property that was bought after 1945.

Matt:

I’ve read the thing in Japanese (although it took like a week), and believe this is full of half-lies and exagerations. Something like what Gerry is saying about Korea’s Dokdo “Claim.”