Occidentalism

It is disturbing that so many Koreans think as those above do. Nonetheless, I’d say there is still a good percentage that doesn’t buy into that garbage. I imagine, for the sake of a good story, Asahi TV didn’t bother showing those who have more balanced views.

I haven’t seen the “good percentage” that doesn’t buy into the garbage in Korea, maybe they’re all hiding somewhere. Few nations can match Koreans’ level of nationalistic hysteria.

I haven’t seen the “good percentage” that doesn’t buy into the garbage in Korea, maybe they’re all hiding somewhere. Few nations can match Koreans’ level of nationalistic hysteria.

Indeed. In Korea it is: like a religion, a soothing rallying cry that belies the fact that it’s entire existence has a phenomenological hard-on for Japan from the cradle to the grave, and I’d be surprised if Asahi did have footage of Koreans not towing the line. I simply don’t believe it would exist based on the fact that such genocidal hatred is common place in Korea.

i don’t get it…about concept of this site.
all the things about koreans as well.
is only koreans crazy about japanese ?
i don’t think so…you should surprise..what
horrible things they did to all asians…past that
some 60 years ago…all these japanses asahi TV thing
is set-up as well. no one likes Kim Jung il in korean society
unless your brain is something wrong with it.
if you wanna build up really good blog, research
first…then..build it…not..just crap some..shit from
internet somewhere.
there was no evidence of what japanese people did to
asians in the past ? then you’re such a lazy person who
don’t even wanna search web pages.
you made me speechless. thanks.

Before I start, I have NO knowledge of Korea

Are the Korean Teachers Union some sort of fifth columnist? Are they pushing some particular party line??

Hmm…

It seems that the South Korean Navy have named their newest (and I think Largest) ship after “Dokdo”

http://p098.ezboard.com/fsinodefenceforumfrm8.showMessage?topicID=149.topic

Whoa, what Shakuhachi (the host) is omitting from this story is that the National Teachers Union (more commonly known by the acronym Chonkyojo) is a far-leftist and extreme nationalistic organization that until 1999 was outlawed for its pro-North views (which constitute a breach of state security since the peninsula is technically at war).

Eventually allowing it was not because of acceptance of their views but based on the idea that the draconian National Security Law was being used to suppress dissent, not to provide security.

Yes, Yooklid, they are a fifth column.

These students are being force-fed an agenda, yes, and it’s an agenda that most parents would be abhorred to find their kids thinking. A lot of parents will NOT find the Tokto/Dokdo comments particularly troubling, but the stuff about Kim Jong-il is definitely not something they want their kids being fed.

Whoa, what Shakuhachi (the host) is omitting from this story is that the National Teachers Union (more commonly known by the acronym Chonkyojo) is a far-leftist and extreme nationalistic organization that until 1999 was outlawed for its pro-North views (which constitute a breach of state security since the peninsula is technically at war).

I think that it would be pretty obvious that the teachers union is a ‘far-leftist and extreme nationalistic organization’. Its not something I was trying to conceal. I think people here are smart enough to understand that on their own.

the National Teachers Union (more commonly known by the acronym Chonkyojo) is a far-leftist and extreme nationalistic organization

I think people here all know.
common knowledge.

These students are being force-fed an agenda, yes, and it’s an agenda

Poor kids.

that most parents would be abhorred to find their kids thinking.

mmm I doubt.

Shakuhachi (Matt) wrote:

I think that it would be pretty obvious that the teachers union is a ‘far-leftist and extreme nationalistic organization’. Its not something I was trying to conceal. I think people here are smart enough to understand that on their own.

Really? The English name National Teachers Union itself is designed to make them sound more mainstream than they actually are. In fact, I’m so used to seeing their Korean name in English (Chonkyojo) that I had to check to make sure that the group that you were referring to was the same group.

You say you weren’t trying to conceal that the views being presented here are of a far-leftist uber-nationalistic formerly outlawed teachers’ group, but given that this blog’s primary focus is to smear all Korea and Koreans on the basis of the antics of a handful, it’s rather telling that the words “far,” “left,” “extrme,” or “nationalistic” didn’t appear until I mentioned them. Then suddenly you’re like, Oh, yeah, well everyone knows that.

You have done a good job of misrepresenting what people think. RGM-79 doubts that most parents would be horrified to hear their kids praising Kim Jong-il as a great guy.

Looks like these future korean kids might make redscare. THey just should be sent to NK and make them never comeback.

The funny thing is there were lot of college male students who thought like those kids do. But after they finish their duty in Korean military, their opinion changes because they learn who’s the real enemy in their reality and learn more about korean war. I don’t hate North korean people. I just despise Kim jong ill and his government. North koreans are just victims of propoganda.

To japanese people

You have problem with anti-japan in korea? Well!

Blame your government for trash talking about korea and who also never try to reveal the truth about their history about what they’ve done during korean colonization and WW2. I don’t hate japanese people. I have lot of japanese friends. I only dislike japanese people who think what they done in the past was right thing.

If i want to tell you the good news, young koreans in these generations know how to separate more between Japanese government/Japanese people. Even they don’t like the govt. they still can be your friends. You might think this is false but it’s true because I’m not the only koreans who have japanese friends. One of my japanese friend was trying to talk more carefully about japanese colonization and WW2. He knew what his country did in the past was wrong.

South Korea has no idea was a democracy is….

Stupid, dirty country..

If the Koreans are good at brainwashing. They should brainwash the children to put the garbage in the garbage can. If they are brainwashed to hate, at least brainwash them so they will put the garbage in the garbage can. You can see even school children littering all the time…. Korea’s a dump…

A garbage can is a place where to put the garbage.

That’s why Korea is NOT a developed country… It’s too dirty to be a developed country.

I think ki-min’s comments about koreans know how to seperate japanese gov and history / japanese average people. I live in Vancouver right now and i m full korean but my mom’s family since her great grandparents’ time, was 在日韓国人koreans who live in japan. They were one of those war victims who were forced to work for japan.　But to all the japanese koreans out there like me or verbal, holler back lol…
Because I can speak like 3 languages i hav both korean and japanese friends.　Koreans now say stuff like they hate japanese gov nor wat they did to us in the past, but they actually don’t care about the average people. They become friends easily and fight easily just like any other people(Girls are more open to each other for both countries though.)
I never seen anyone who likes Kim jong il in korea before esp teenagers lol… That TV is showing like elementary school kids who don’t know shit or these old people who hate japan alot… extremely…
But japanese people hav to understand, all my japanese uncles who married my aunts understand why koreans hate, not the people, but the country. You guys know how many people were slaughtered, how many ancient temples and other artifacts were destroyed or sold, just how much our korean ancestors suffered, and how much we are suffering right now because of WW2???
i ll tell u about my family’s story… Anyone know what happens to mixed blood or foreigners in Japan at schools or societies???? Even if you hav Japanese citizenship, Japanese students are extremely mean to you. You guys heard about ijime right??? How its a very serious problem in Japan right now???? OK then,, if you get ‘ijime’d being a reall japanese, what do you think about foreigners???? pretty crazy out there…..

That’s y koreans there don’t announce that they are koreans until they succeed and stuff…. For example, Verbal from M-flo …. Japanese people… read his biography that came out like last year or watever….
ummmm…. or kaneshiro kazuki’s….. and many others like 600 000 koreans living there without japanese citizenship and like 600 000 others who live there with japanese citizenship…. Read one of kaneshiro kazuki’s novels… his first foreigner to receive the naoki award or watever… all his novels base about korean japaneses’ trouble living in Japan.

Japanese people…. don’t judge koreans just by their extreme comments about Japan but think why they are saying that…
You know what wada hideki says…. go out of Japan and study because people like from North America know way better about real japanese history then people who learn in Japan…..

Don’t you guys feel weird?? well I did watching like ainori or stuff… How Japanese people get so emotional when they see what german people have done in Europe…. but what about all the things japan has done in Asia???? Difference between Germans and Japanese are… Germans are still wish for forgiveness from other countries and they are teaching their childerens all about their shameful history in order to prevent that from happening again….. Japanese gvt should learn from them… and not teach average Japanese people who don’t know shit about their real history about how Japan helped Korea become independent from China in WW2 at the yasukuni temple…..

I dun think no one’s gonna read this whole thing cause…. its too long and boring but… i hope i could at least reach one of you guys….

leaf87,

Almost all of Japanese citizens know what Japanese did in Korea and China, we don’t think those deeds were right.

But you must take a look at dark sides too. I think those two wars, Shino-Japanese war and Russo-Japanese war were inevitable. If Japan didn’t fight with these big powers, Korean peninsula may have been occupied with China or Russia. And Japan was put into peril facing these big powers over the straits…. Both Korea and Japan may have been fallen into territories of China or Russia.

In those days in the late 19th century when Colonial policy was universal, western big powers were thought to be right. It was like living in a Darwinian jungle. If you were weak, you would be eaten by big powers. Japan was the first country in asia who noticed it, so she increased in armaments in western style with the policy for enhancing “the wealth and military strength of a country” （富国強兵） not to be invaded by others.

At the very first period Japan wanted Korea to do the same thing in order to protect both countries from western big powers but Korea didn’t hear it.

In my opinion, Korean people blame Japan too strong. I can understand what they felt in those colonial days but as long as Japan apologised and the friendship treaty was concluded (Japan paid lots of money to Korean government then), you don’t have to blame her forever.

We don’t blame Korea for invading Japan in the 13th century (you may not know the Mongol Invasion was suggested by Koreans and there were many Korean soldiers).
http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/mongol-koryo-japan.htm

That TV is showing like elementary school kids who don’t know shit or these old people who hate japan alot… extremely…

That is how Korean kids are taught at school and at home. And that is the problem.

But japanese people hav to understand, all my japanese uncles who married my aunts understand why koreans hate, not the people, but the country. You guys know how many people were slaughtered, how many ancient temples and other artifacts were destroyedor sold, just how much our korean ancestors suffered, and how much we are suffering right now because of WW2???

So do you hate Korea because Koreans destroyed Buddhist temple during Li Chosun and slaughtered Korean people after WWⅡ　more than Japanese killed Korean during the colonization?

Anyone know what happens to mixed blood or foreigners in Japan at schools or societies???? Even if you hav Japanese citizenship, Japanese students are extremely mean to you. You guys heard about ijime right??? How its a very serious problem in Japan right now???? OK then,, if you get ‘ijime’d being a reall japanese, what do you think about foreigners???? pretty crazy out there…..

So what happened? Did you get bullied because you were Korean ?
I have heard the story about Korean students from korean school had trouble with Japanese counterparts soon after WWⅡ　because , as you say they fight easily.
Let’s face it. Most of Korean students at Japanese school go by Japanese name, and Japanese students can not tell Korean from Japanese, because they speak perfect Japanese, they act as Japanese , they think like Japanese.

I have zainichi Korea senior at university who goes by Korean name, there was no problem and I used to respect him.
kaneshiro ’s story is a fiction: moreover, it seems he is talking about the dilemma: Korean friends accuses him as betrayer because he went to Japanese school, Among Japanese students, he was the outsider.

You know what wada hideki says…

Do you mean Wada Haruki?

koreans there don’t announce that they are koreans until they succeed

Zainichi Korea chose to remain in Japan when other Koreans were fighting for their country. They keep choosing to stay in Japan while Korean young men were drafted. They are choosing to go by Japanese name on their own will. Read a book by Tei taikin, ethnic Korean in Japan, he chose to go by Korean
name, he chose to live proudly as ethnic Korean, he is respected among
Japanese.
If a Korean Japanese who goes by Korean name were discriminated, I will definitely defend him/her.

don’t judge koreans just by their extreme comments about Japan but think why they are saying that

How can we judge people? And why are they saying ? because of the horrible education in Korea?
Look, here is what those Koreans who directly experienced the colonization say.

We can expect that the majority of the people residing on the Korean peninsula during the Japanese occupation would identify with the response that Kang commonly heard when she asked her informants to talk about their experiences: “nothing much happened to me.” Indeed, she had to discard a number of her interviews because the informant apparently had nothing extraordinary to relate.review of the black umbrella

“I’ve overcome my hard feelings towards Japan. It’s often the younger people who are more hostile. They’ve been fed only the worst stories about the colonial period but they don’t know the reality the way we do.BBC

Yes it is younger people who are more hostile because of the nationalistic education they received. And that is the problem we are talking about.

go out of Japan and study because people like from North America know way better about real japanese history then people who learn in Japan…

I want to say “go out of Korea and study because people like from North American know way better about real Japanese and Korean history than people who learn in Korea.

Difference between Germans and Japanese are… Germans are still wish for forgiveness from other countries and they are teaching their childerens all about their shameful history in order to prevent that from happening again….. Japanese gvt should learn from them… and not teach average Japanese people who don’t know shit about their real history about how Japan helped Korea become independent from China in WW2 at the yasukuni temple…..

I am not sure about German but I know Japanese prime minister apologized to the former Korean comfort women but German leader has not to their counterpart. Japanese history is teaching the shameful history to their kids, Korean history textbook whitewash its dark side.
I am not sure how you are educated by your zainichi parents, but in Japan now, ethnic Korean Japanese like Asakawa and Tei I mentioned are revealing the lies Zainichi Koreans have been telling.

Japan has apologized, compensated, Japanese people thought we could work together with korean people for the future, but It is Koreans who keep spitting and demanding eternal apology from Japan, distorting and whitewashing its history. I don’t think that is the way the mature person, mature country should act.
Thanks.

You guys know how many people were slaughtered, how many ancient temples and other artifacts were destroyed or sold, just how much our korean ancestors suffered, and how much we are suffering right now because of WW2???

Tell me how many. This kind of baloney is so much believed by your people, and is a deep, deep problem. What if your alleagations are false? You people are so full of lies that you don’t realize that you are just infulenced under anti-Japaneese propaganda.

http://www.tsukurukai.com/07_fumi/text_fumi/fumi41_text02.html

If you understand Japanese, read the above. It was written by your kin to a controvercial Japanese magazine, but I’m inclined to believe it’s mostly true.

some excerpts:

当時の朝鮮は日本の植民地になったお陰で、文明開化が急速に進み、国民の生活水準がみるみるうちに向上した。学校が建ち、道路、橋梁、堤防、鉄道、電信・電話等が建設され、僕が小学校に入るころ(昭和8年)の京城はおちついた穏やかな文明国のカタチを一応整えていた。

日本による植民地化は、朝鮮人の日常の生活になんら束縛や脅威を与えなかった。これは何でもないことのように見えるかもしれないが、独立後の南韓や、北朝鮮における思想統制とそこからくる国民一般の恐怖感とを比べればよく分かる。南北朝鮮人は終戦後の独立によって、娑婆の世界から地獄に落ち込んだも同然であった。

僕のこのような事実描写に対して「非国民」あるいは「売国奴」呼ばわりする同胞も多かろうが、そういう彼らに対し、僕は一つの質間を投げかけたい。

日政時代に日本の官憲に捕えられて拷問され、裁判にかけられて投獄された人数及びその刑期と、独立後に、南韓または北朝鮮でそういう目に遭った人数とその刑期の、どちらが多く長かったであろうか、と。

今の若い連中は教科書や小説等の影響を受けて「当時の朝鮮人は皆、日本を敵国と見做し、事あるごとに命をなげ出して独立運動をした。日本の特高が全国的に監視の目をゆるめず、多くの愛国者が次々と捕えられて処刑された」という自己陶酔的な瞑想に耽っているが、これはウソである。

今、植民地時代をウスウスながらも思い浮かべることができる年齢層は、終戦当時15歳に達していた、今は73歳以上の老人達である。それ以下の朝鮮人は他人から聞いて、あるいは学校教育を受けて反日感情に走っている。

国人にとって、反日感情はいかにも勇ましく愛国的でカッコがいい。この反日感情が全国を風靡しているので、老人達がそういう国民的合意に逆らう発言をすれば窮屈な思いをする。そのうちに多勢に押されて、逆に加勢するようになる。今や老いも若きも、日本に対する罵声が高ければ高いほど愛国者と遇されているのである。

Translation of the text above:

당시의 조선은 일본의 식민지가 된 덕분으로, 문명 개화가 급속히 진행되어, 국민의 생활수준이 순식간에 향상했다.학교가 세워, 도로, 교량, 제방, 철도, 전신·전화등이 건설되어 내가 초등학교에 들어가는 무렵(쇼와 8년)의 경성은 자리잡은 온화한 문명국의 모양을 일단 정돈하고 있었다.

일본에 의한 식민지화는, 조선인의 일상의 생활에 어떤 속박이나 위협을 주지 않았다.이것은 아무것도 아닌 것과 같이 보일지도 모르지만, 독립 후의 남한이나, 북한에 있어서의 사상 통제와 거기로부터 오는 국민 일반의 공포감을 비교하면 잘 안다.남북조선인은 종전 후의 독립에 의해서, 사바의 세계에서 지옥으로 침체했다와 다름없었다.

나의 이러한 사실 묘사에 대해서 「비국민」혹은 「매국노」부르는 동포도 많든지, 그러한 그들에 대해, 나는 하나의 질간을 던지고 싶다.

일정시대에 일본의 관헌에 잡을 수 있어 고문되어 재판에 회부할 수 있어 투옥된 인원수 및 그 형기와 독립 후에, 남한 또는 북한에서 그러한 눈을 당한 인원수와 그 형기의, 어느 쪽이 많이 길었다일까, 라고.

지금의 젊은 무리는 교과서나 소설등의 영향을 받아 「당시의 조선인은 모두, 일본을 적국과 간주해, 일 있을 때 마다 생명내고 독립 운동을 했다.일본의 특별 고등경찰이 전국적으로 감시의 눈을 완화하지 않고, 많은 애국자가 차례차례로 잡을 수 있어 처형되었다」라고 하는 자기 도취적인 명상에 빠지고 있지만, 이것은 거짓말이다.

지금의 젊은 무리는 교과서나 소설등의 영향을 받아 「당시의 조선인은 모두, 일본을 적국과 간주해, 일 있을 때 마다 생명내고 독립 운동을 했다.일본의 특별 고등경찰이 전국적으로 감시의 눈을 완화하지 않고, 많은 애국자가 차례차례로 잡을 수 있어 처형되었다」라고 하는 자기 도취적인 명상에 빠지고 있지만, 이것은 거짓말이다.

지금, 식민지 시대를 우스우스면서도 떠올릴 수 있는 연령층은, 종전 당시 15세에 이르고 있던, 지금은 73세 이상의 노인들이다.그것 이하의 조선인은 타인으로부터 듣고, 혹은 학교 교육을 받아 반일 감정에 치우치고 있다.

한국인에 있어서, 반일 감정은 그야말로 용감하게 애국적으로 외모가 좋다.이 반일 감정이 전국을 풍미 하고 있으므로, 노인들이 그러한 국민적 합의에 거역하는 발언을 하면 거북한 생각을 한다.그러던 중 많은 사람에게 밀리고, 반대로 가세 하게 된다.지금 늙음도 젊은도, 일본에 대한 욕설이 비싸면 높을수록 애국자와 우 되고 있는 것이다.

Then u guys believe japan actually saved korea from Russia or China???
You guys know that Korea lived under China for a long long time…. They never ever actually colonized us and tried to make us into Japanese!!!!…. On the other hand… look wat happened to us in WW2???

Ok and…. Why do u think Korean Japanese live with Japanese name and live like the others not telling others about they are korean??? did u think about that???

and it is wada hideki a successful writer, teacher? kinda…. etc…

He has a book called something like Hideki ga 20 dai ni shita subeteno koto

;;; u ll know what that is;;;;

alright…. what about Korea’s last empress slaughtered by Japanese assasins…. … and I know Japanese apologized and compensated for all the loss.. I know Japanese average people… know kinda what they did to Korea….

What I hate is the history, government…

lol I m not extreme Korean.. lol I m like Canadian right now….
i went pre school in Japan, then elementary till gr 2 in Korea then came to Canada… kinda whitewashed…. My parents aren’t like Korea good.. Japan bad lol…. My mom always teach me to understand both of them… both sides are not wrong.

and I m not brain washed….

ok… then… I just want u guys to understand that… Koreans were the victims…. i dun care what kind of shit they are teaching in schools but I dun care….

because WW2 was like 100 years ago, we can forget them?? no.. hell no..
it was only 100 years ago that makes korea and japan’s relationship shitty….
Think about how much Japan stole/killed in korea.. and after 100 years later… Japan govt is claiming that takeshima is theirs… so… think…
You know that war damages cannot be compensated all… like so I can just go out right now kill someone and pay them??? or steal some shit and just pay them back??? then everything is cool?? lol

When i was in Japan, i think I didn’t get ijime’d or shit like that… but I remember that i had pretty good time lol… cause i didn’t know anything cause i was so young…. but I kinda remember kids hating china ;;; i dun no.. lol
I just read what happened to my idols like verbal or the author, kaneshiro kazuki…
Then I m just writing here… so don’t make me look like an asshole… TEach me if I m getting something wrong…

But it is def true that Korea is war victim aight??

opps sorry i didn’t read all of ur comments but… hmmmm

war is war… meaning killing raping people stealing stuff….

you know those murphy’s law?? I guess peopple only remembers bad things that happened to them???

I guess cause oof of colonization… korea gained somethings…

but cause of colonization they too lost some other things…

but War is war… it’s never good you know that if ur a mature adult…

Why people have strike to stop Bush from attacking Aghgan or Iraq?? He says he’s gonna get everything better for them??? but what about loved ones getting killed in the war??? and mnay other damages that happen in the war like destroyed artifacts, landmarks, pride!!!???, ummm… the whole country???

I guess Korean people only remember the bad side of war… ;;; and war is def bad lol…. but I think that’s true too lol… Thank you pacifist and tomato….

o one more thing.. ummm… Russia wasn’t gonna attack korea… the last empress Myungsung and Russia had really good relationship… I watched the drama hehe… I think Japan assasins killed Myungsung cause they didn’t want Russia to interupt them from taking over korea… or watever… But china !!!!! Why u guys trying to steal Korea history??!!!

i guess now Korea and Japan is scared eh?? China gonna grow big and they are gonna eat both of us… lol My friends and i always say Korea and Japan, US ally to defend against China….

China trying to eat Koguryo’s history I think righ tnow haha

Are u guys all Japanese though?? or just caucasian???? i mean for real…. don’t say ur are nigerian.. lol

Think about how much Japan stole/killed in korea.. and after 100 years later… Japan govt is claiming that takeshima is theirs… so… think…
You know that war damages cannot be compensated all… like so I can just go out right now kill someone and pay them??? or steal some shit and just pay them back??? then everything is cool?? lol

Why make people think about things that did’t happen? Japan didn’t kill off Koreans during her administration nor during the war. In fact, the Korean population increased twofolds with longer life expectancies. You are made to believe myths.

BTW, no one here is saying that Japan saved Korea. You jump to that silly conclusion because some of us denied your allegations of Japan massacring Koreans.

leaf87.
A meaning of “lol” is “Laugh Out Loud”.
I can think so that you only joke.

be happy where are, and try to adapt.

be happy where you are, and try to adapt.

Russia wasn’t gonna attack korea… the last empress Myungsung and Russia had really good relationship…

Good relation?

Mr, Waeber , the Russian Minister, had then been in Korea twelve years.・・・・
His guidance might have prevented the King from making infamous appointments arbitrary arrests, from causelessly removing officials who were working well, and from such reckless extravagances as a costly Embassy to the European Courts and a foolish increase of the army and the police force.But he remained passive, allowing the Koreans to “atew in their own juice,” acting possibly under orders from home to give Korea” rope enough to hang herself, a proceeding which might hereafter give Russia a legitimate excuse fro interference.・・・・p435(Bishop, Isabelle L. 1970 [1898]. Korea and her neighbors; a narrative of travel, with an account of the recent vicissitudes and present position of the country. Seoul, Korea, Yonsei University Press)

Do you call it a good relatoin?

dear leaf87,

Why can you assert that Rusia won’t gonna attack Korea? Russian expansionism in the 19th century was notorious. They came to asia seeking for ocean to expand toward the world, after reaching the northern sea of Siberia, they then seeked for unfrozen ports. So they were interested in Korea and China.

Russian expansionism was one reason why Japan and UK had to conclude an alliance later years.
“Directed against Russian expansionism in the Far East, it was a cornerstone of British and Japanese policy in Asia until after World War I”. (Encyclopædia Britannica)

well.. watever then… lol

Never seen Japanese people interested in History this much before anyway…..

I asked like a Japanese friend today lol about why do u guys go to yasukuni????

He was like we just want to repect those who died for our country… I guess in Japanese point of view…. They are heroes. hehe…

U guys dun hav to be that mean lol…. I m just saying…

You guys are not japanese though right??? ;;; cause none of my friends go that deep to change me wrong… i m just saying what i was told from like around…..
Seriously never seen Japanese so interested in history haha…

You guys are like extreme Japanese… just saying Japanese right… youre wrong to me lol Most of my friends are like I m gonna abandon Japan if she get fucked in a war and run away to america or hawaii..

ok then… i dun really care lol history is history just we dun want to repeat it again…. nice talking to you guys then….

oh and tomato u got sources wrong… get some asian studies (history) courses at U

There were 2 Japanese invasions,,,,, 1 in WW2 and other way before .. but I dunno. when it was lol… you can look it up if u want to…

I ll return to this site just to talk to u ;;;; u think no koreans were killed in WW2…. nor nothing was stolen from korea lol… that’s fucked up…

I think not as many koreans got killed cause there werent actually a war.. it was more like ‘ we are taking over this country.. u guys are japanese now’ haha wasn’t it???

oh yeah we can’t be sure ;;;;

Russia prob was planning something to take over Korea …

Pacifist, i think ur right;;; we dun no right???

ummm….

and u were the one who told me… Korea may hav gotten taken over by China or Russia…. so Japanese colonization might hav been a good thing… Tomato was like ‘no one said that dun make up shit’;;

leaf87,

I didn’t write that Japanese colonization of Korea was good, it should have been avoided (as Hirobumi Itoh had thought). But there are always inevitable things in history.

There were big powers wriggling around far east and they had to collide sooner or later….

oh and tomato u got sources wrong… get some asian studies (history) courses at U

There were 2 Japanese invasions,,,,, 1 in WW2 and other way before .. but I dunno. when it was lol… you can look it up if u want to…

I ll return to this site just to talk to u ;;;; u think no koreans were killed in WW2…. nor nothing was stolen from korea lol… that’s fucked up…

Leaf87, you’re the one f*cked up with all that b*llshit coming out of you. Korea was part of Japan when WWII began. Koreans served in the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy as

officers

, and after the war, quite a few were convicted of war crimes and executed by the allies. Koreans being slaughtered by the Japanese is a myth. You go to Uni to learn history!

You’re ingnorance stinks.

BTW, Leaf87,

Korean soldiers who died in WWII are also enshrined in Yasukuni. They are highly honored. There is nothing about you can laugh about. You should be ashamed of your ignorance. In fact, I demand you apology for the spirit of the dead soldiers who rest there. And I’m not kidding.

There were 2 Japanese invasions,,,,, 1 in WW2 and other way before .. but I dunno. when it was lol… you can look it up if u want to…

There was a second Japanese invasion of Korea during WW2? So I guess the re-invaded a country they had already annexed years earlier? Where did you hear about this second invasion?

By the way, you’ll appear much more intelligent if you actually use proper punctuation, capitalization and spelling ( “u” is not a word, “dunno” is not a word, etc.). Your comments are pretty hard to read in their current state.

Dr WKJ, bwahhhh kakakakakakak

Welcome back.

Are you taking a break from your studies at the ‘five finger university’?

oh tomato…. i know that koreans are honored at yasukuni too..
but they are koreans who fought as a Japanese soldier in WW2 right??
They were either forced or they had no choice but to join because Koreans had nothing to eat this fact is true…. Do they want to be honored at yasukuni???

and who cares about using proper english…. this is just talking to some ramdom people on internet anywayz….

o and 1592–1598 hideyoshi led his army and invaded Korea. You can search about them if you want… hideyoshi didn’t really wanted to kill alot of koreans because his plan was to invade china in the first place.. but koreans like fought back so he did alot of horrible things to them… such as ordering samurais to cut people’s nose and bring it back to japan in order to know how many people he killed in the war.. search if you want..

ummm… tomato youre such a bigot… ok think about this… ur japanese right???

okthen… if North Korea invades and colonizes ur country, don’t u think people will fight back???? then don’t you think korean people fought back when Japan colonized korea??? and do you think Japanese soldiers just leave them there not doing nothing???

So when Japan invades Korea, koreans didn’t say ooo great Japan please invade our country and we will fight for you to invade other countries too…

Tomato i ll shut up if u just admit this…

and.. I ll listen to you;;; * not many people were killed in the colonization period *

you think US attacking aghan or Iraq is right???

or do you think Japan invading/colonizing Korea was right?…

you seem like what happened to korea was nothing serious…

japan tried to get rid of Korea with thousands of years of history..

Look what happen to the Jewish people.. without a country for like thousands of year??? (although they finally got their country back)

That might hav happened to Korea… Do you any Korean people would be happy about this??

It is quite clear that a great many Koreans were not “forced” to fight for Japan. In fact, I believe on this site and elsewhere there are cites to sources stating that conscription of Koreans came quite late in WWII.

Instead, Koreans chose to fight for Japan for money (perhaps, as you speculate, having nothing to eat), out of feelings of solidarity as Asians with Japan (which was promoting the war as a war of Asia against the West), or perhaps just for the greater opportunities. I’m sure you’ve heard of former Korean president Park Jung-hee, who was an officer in Japan’s military. Can you really claim with a straight face that he was “forced” to fight for Japan or that he “had no choice”?

I can’t make any sense of what this leaf guy is saying.

Leaf, dude, it’s not Japan’s fault that you are a confused 14-year-old. Come back in a few years time when you have grown up a little and are able to present your arguments concisely.

lol!

RC

and.. I ll listen to you;;; * not many people were killed in the colonization period *

you think US attacking aghan or Iraq is right???

or do you think Japan invading/colonizing Korea was right?…

you seem like what happened to korea was nothing serious…

japan tried to get rid of Korea with thousands of years of history..

Look what happen to the Jewish people.. without a country for like thousands of year??? (although they finally got their country back)

That might hav happened to Korea… Do you any Korean people would be happy about this??

You’re a lunatic to compare the holocaust with the Japanese administration of Korea.

leaf87

do you think Japan invading/colonizing Korea was right?

It was wrong and a big mistake, (though I don’t know what other course Japan should have taken to counter other imperialists.)
That is why Japan apologized and compensated. I am sure you know that much.

But I am sad to hear

i m just saying what i was told from like around…..

Why does the hatred must be produced and reproduced through the generations when majority of Koreans who lived during the colonization says “nothing much happened to them”?

tomato Said:

April 12, 2006 at 9:34 am

When will Chosen-jins stop this nonsense?
Has any sense ever came up to their minds?

Do you know why ‘chosen-jins’ do not stop all this nonsense?? it’s cause of people like you!!! Like Nazis, there are still Japanese like yourself who STILL refers to koreans as chosen jins… an inferior race…. Stop being so racist and open up your mind… I m not saying Koreans are all right,, but why they shit at you all the time is because you guys are saying all this bullshit about takeshima is part of Japan or Japanese colonization of Korea or japan was nothing. You are probably one of those Extreme Japanese people or 親日派。Open your eyes and look around… If you think yourE right、 then i feel sorry for you…　This shit is getting old just accept the truth!! Everything that Japan did to Korea during the colonization was wrong lol..　I m not gonna talk about this shitty subject again… why don’t u like other ｊ subject again… why don’t u like other Japanese,,, just don’t talk about the history。。。That will make your life so easier and esier for you to make some friends…lol　I guess you don’t have any Korean or Chinese friends eh??　Racist!!!　　

Racist!!!

Leafy, you seem to be the racist here…don’t you realize that you’re the one being extreme? So wy don’t you aplogize for the lies that you have told about the Japanese administration of Korea and the Takeshima issue, instread of calling people names?.

BTW, N Koreans demand themselves to be called Chosen-jin, and S Koreans demand themselves to be called Kankoku-jin in Japan. That’s why they are called Zainichi Kankoku/Chosen jins. So, the name “Chosen-jin” being racist, huh? Another example of your ignorance and hypocrisy. You’re just one of those extreme S Korean ultranationalists spreading hatred all over. Just stop it for once, will you?

Also, stop screaming on the net…

leaf87,

I don’t think the word above is not discriminatory but we wont’t use the word you don’t like it. But I hope you will be proud of being 조선인.

BTW, as to Takeshima/Dokdo, you have to take a look at the past postings which you can read here:

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=234
http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=285#comment-6100

Then you will notice that the truth is…
1) Korea didn’t know Takeshima/Dokdo until 20th century.
2) Japan kenw and used it since 17th century.
3) When Takeshima was incorporated into Japan, Korea didn’t refute.
4) SF treaty showed that USA recognised Takeshima as Japan’s territory.

This is very disturbing. I’ve researched very much what the Japanese did
during their occupation of Korea, and its truly horriffic. But Japan has apologised multiple times, and it was over 60 years ago.Korea needs to get over this, and become friends with Japan.I’m not trying to justify what the Japanese did, but you have to keep in mind that during that period, Japan was completely controlled by the military. They’ve found journals of Kamikaze pilots, and in their last entries, we often find that they were afraid, and didn’t want to die(I read it in the International Herald Tribune). But they were forced to.And many of the men who raped the Korean “Comfort Women” probably suffered afterwords psycologically.Even the emperor might have been controlled,as he and his son stopped visiting Yasukuni Shrine the year they added the class-A war criminals. I’m shocked by the hatred of Koreans, and they ought to remember that Japan was once a very nationalistic and hateful country itself, so be warned.I’m completely against the Japanese textbooks that water down the WWII attrocities, but Korea doesn’t need to glorify their history either. And If they teach anti-Americanism in their schools, then their not only hateful, but ungrateful too. America not only saved South Korea from becoming communist in the Korean war, they also continue to buy Korean cars, and electronics, which in the last three decades, have helped South Korea become over 25 times richer than North Korea. They really need to get with the times, Japan has moved on, and Korea should too. So you don’t have a glorious past, you can always create a glorious future.
If you really want to appear as inteligent, than you should stop being so hateful, because hatred(and racism) is derived from ignorance. And don’t get your children involved, because they don’t know any better.