In the early days of Occidentalism, I would reply to Korean commenters that commented in Korean in their language. However I have not done that for along time, until the other day when a Korean commenter over at the marmots hole was advocating the expulsion of foreigners from Korea, writing that foreigners have “drug parties” and “sleep with Korean girls” (ie, rape) at these parties.

For evidence he offered up an article of an Irish English teacher being busted for marijuana possession, and a foreigners party in Seoul that caused the so-called ‘English Spectrum scandal’.

He was writing in Korean, and dogbert and I answered him in Korean. I think I made excellent points that totally debunked his argument. However, now he is no longer commenting about it, and that made me remember why I do not debate with Koreans in Korean anymore – it is because once you have made a excellent point, they disappear, and you never get any satisfaction for the time and effort that it took writing in what is for me a third language.

Here is the exchange. I think it will be interesting for those that can understand Korean. The Korean is uhoooooo, I am using my nom de plume ‘shakuhachi’, and dogbert is dogbert of course.

uhoooooo

황당한 소리들만 하고 있네.
죄형법정주의 몰라요?
한국법에서도 포르노 보는 것은 죄가 아닙니다.
한국에서 포르노 보는 것이 죄라고 도대체 누구에게서 들은 겁니까?

포르노물 찍어서 올리는 것 자체는 범죄가 캐나다법으로 범죄가 아니지만, 그 사람은 하드코어 포르노물을 누구나 접근하여 볼 수 있게 하였습니다. 캐나다법으로도 명백한 범죄입니다. 대체 누가 범죄 아니라고 하던가요? 법전 좀 찾아보고 말을 하든가.

사이버 테러니 그러는데 신체의 은밀한 부분까지 누구나 보라고 오히려 광고하고 다녔는데, 무슨 사이버 테러입니까.

여기는 제대로 된 학교에서 제대로 된 교육을 받은 외국인은 오지 않는 겁니까.

덧글이 이렇게나 달리는 글이라면 최소한의 사전 조사 정도는 한 글이어야 할텐데, 이렇게 엉터리 소리나 하고 있고…
제발 공부 좀 하세요. 허튼 소리 하지 말고.

dogbert

건방 좀 그만 떨었으면 합니다. 당신 모르시는 남들의 교육에 대해서 신경 쓰지 말고 VANK으로 다시 돌아가시죠.

uhoooooo

@dogbertt:

건방 떨지 않게 좀 해주지 그러십니까.
기본의 기본도 안 되어 있으니 이런 반응 나오지요.

포르노 보는 것이 불법이라느니, 같이 어울리는 한국인 무리들에게서 들었나. ^^ 혹시 한국인들에게서 들었다면 그 한국인들 수준도 참…^^ 역시 수준 맞춰서 끼리끼리 노는구나.^^

요즘 캘리포니아 주 경찰들이 매춘 하는 여성들 잡느라
바쁘더군요. 가끔 할리우드 스타들 매춘하다 걸려서 매스콤에 나오죠. 야외에서 음란한 짓으로 걸렸나. 휴 그랜트. 더 많은데 대표적인 한 사람만 들죠.

포르노를 찍고, 포르노 사이트를 운영하고, 어린이들마저 볼 수 있게 샘플비디오를 개방했으며, 그 샘플비디오들은 하드코어였습니다. 그러나, 불구속에 고작 벌금 정도 나올 예정이랍니다. 앞의 부분은 뒤져봐야겠지만, 제가 말한 이상은 되지 않을 겁니다. 미국이나 캐나다였다면 이것으로 그치지 않았을 것입니다. 휠씬 더 시끄러웠을 거라구요. 세상에 하드코어 포르노 배우하면서 영어 강사라니.
안 그래도 캐나다 출신의 마약파티하는 영어강사들, 한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 영어강사들 때문에 말이 많은데.

shakuhachi

“안 그래도 캐나다 출신의 마약파티하는 영어강사들, 한국 와서 한국 여자들과 돌려 자는 영어강사들 때문에 말이 많은데.”

uhoooooo, can we get some proof of this statment? I mean, can you show a pattern of this happening? Or even happening once?

주장에 대한 증거가 있습니까? 증거가 없으면 단지 인종차별 망언이에요.

uhoooooo

@shakuhachi:
인종 차별적이지는 않고 특정국에 대한 편견이 있군요. 인정합니다. 열받은 상태에서 나온 과도한 발언이었습니다.
최근에 벌어진 초등학교 마약 사건의 당사자인 원어민 영어교사는 아일랜드이었습니다. 하도 캐나다인 말을 많이 듣다 보니 일어난 혼동이었습니다. ^^;;; ㅅ깊이 사과드리면서 너그러운 마음으로 이해해주시기를 바랍니다.
그러나, ‘캐나다인’ 부분을 제외하고는 그 증거는 많은 것으로 보입니다. 아래를 참고하시길.

@dogbertt
VANK가 뭔가 하였더니 수상한 사이트 이름 내지 단체 이름이군요. 관심없는 곳.

@ all

http://media.paran.com/snews/newssearch.php?Query=%BF%B5%BE%EE+%B8%B6% BE%E0&dir=

위에나 아니면 코리아헤럴드 같은 곳 참고하시고.
한국법은 미국법이나 캐나법, 영국법 등에 비하여 훨씬 경하고 경하게 집행이 되고 있습니다. 캐나다 등에서라면 징역을 살 일에 대해서 한국에서라고 마구 말씀들 하시는데 듣기 불편하군요. 한국에 대한 욕으로 받아들여서가 아니라 사실에 근거하지 않은 판단이라서 그런 겁니다.
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1268&storyid=289 9441
하나의 예입니다.
이것 말고도 많은데 저의 예전 블로그가 고물이라서 검색이 귀찮군요. (꼭 이렇게 예를 들어가면서 해야 하나 짜증도 납니다. 당신들도 신문 읽으실텐데 말입니다.)

제가 일본 소설을 하나 읽었는데, 기억을 더듬어 보면, 개인의 집에서 대마초 비스무리 한 걸 피우고 노는데(나중에 섹스로 이러지든 어떻든) 경찰이 들이닥쳐서 체포해가더군요. 죄목이 대마초 그런 걸이 아니라 다른 것이었던 같은데, 이 부분에 대해서 작가가 정확하게 기술해 줄 리가 없으니 넘기고, 여튼 개인의 집에서 일어난 일이라는데 그렇답니다.

눈요기로 한국의 한 클럽입니다.

http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19

캐나다에서 돌아온 포르노 영어강사에 대한 글입니다. 새로울 내용은 없습니다.

http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=2

dogbert

Uhuru, I’m glad to hear that my assumption was wrong and you have no association with or interest in VANK. Just as I have no interest in Canada or teaching English to Koreans. Or taking drugs, for that matter.

However, my assumption is understandable, given that VANK is a group of Koreans, like you, who are convinced that non-Koreans “lack education” and “misunderstand Korea’s special situation”.

shakuhachi

“인종 차별적이지는 않고 특정국에 대한 편견이 있군요. 인정합니다. 열받은 상태에서 나온 과도한 발언이었습니다.
최근에 벌어진 초등학교 마약 사건의 당사자인 원어민 영어교사는 아일랜드이었습니다. 하도 캐나다인 말을 많이 듣다 보니 일어난 혼동이었습니다. ^^;;; ㅅ깊이 사과드리면서 너그러운 마음으로 이해해주시기를 바랍니다.
그러나, ‘캐나다인’ 부분을 제외하고는 그 증거는 많은 것으로 보입니다. 아래를 참고하시길.”

I looked the link you provided, and saw the case you described. However, this case involving an Irish man is a simple case of drug possession. In your original comment you wrote that the English teachers have drug parties and imply drugs are used to sleep with Korean women. However, nothing you have provided has shown that to be happening.

uhoooooo씨, 참고 린크가 참고에 되었습니다만, 역시 마약 파티와 전혀 관계가 없었습니다. 기리고 한국인 여성을 마약 파티에 초대 하여 , 섹스 시키는 증거도 없습니다. 마약 하는 것은 불법 행위 라고 누구나 인정 하죠. 그러나 한국인 여성과 동의로 섹스 하는 것은 합법 입니다.

많은 외국인은 한국인 여성과 동의로 교제하고 있습니다. 마약이나 강간으로 섹스 시키는 외국인은 정말로 극소수의 사람이지요. 한국인 남성이 하는 성폭행 보다 많다고 생각하십니까?

정말로 답장을 읽고 싶습니다.

The other example you provide of the woman doing the porno is a Korean Canadian (a Korean immigrant to Canada), in Korea with a visa only available to people that are of the Korean race. You could say that she was in Korea because Korea has a racial policies favoring those that are ethnically Korean over people of other races. Also, it is funny that you were talking about “Canadians” and pointing fingers at specific races, but when it came to the ethnic Korean you started talking about “native speakers”. I mean, come on!

uhoooooo

마약 관련해서는 여기, http://news.naver.com/search/search.naver?where=nns&rcsection=&query=% B8%B6%BE%E0+%BF%B5%BE%EE+%B0%AD%BB%E7 ,
넘치는데요. 대마초나 기타 환각물질까지 검색하면 더 나올텐데 귀찮네요, 이미 위의 링크에서도 자료 충분해 보이구요. -_-; . 제가, 그 아리리쉬 한 사람을 이전의 다른 마약사건이나 좋지 않은 사건의 캐나다인들과 관련하여서 잘못 연결지어 저지른 실수라고 말씀드렸습니다. 위의 ‘캐나다인들’은 ‘영미권 국가에서 온 사람들’로 고치겠습니다. 물론, 그 중에서도 일부의 사람들이지요. 어쨋든 영미권에서 넘어온 한국계나 영미권 사람들들이 마약하는 일로 걸린 일이 꽤 보이지 않습니까.

강간,은 왜 나오는지,
여자 문제야 이것, http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19 . 이 정도로 충분하지 않나요?
한국남자들은 오지 못하게 하고 한국여성들만 입장시켜서는 저런다면서요? 당연히, 친분 있는 아니면 잔신부름이나 아니면 파티를 주관하는 몇 한국인은 입장하겠지요. 미국에서 한국 남자들이 저래 봐. 무슨 일이 일어날지 -_-;
이것도 너무 말이 많아서 탈인데, 증거를 적시하라고 다그치시니 입이 안 떨어지네요. 그 쪽 돌아가는 사정은 저보다 휠씬 잘 아실 것 같은데.

인종차별이 아니고 출신국가에 대한 선입관이랄까 편견이 작용한 것이고 이에 대한 해명은 이미 위에서 하였습니다.
그리고, 혹여 (인종이 아닌 출신국에 의한)선입관이 제게 있다 하여도, 이미 백인 남성들은 한국인들, 특히 한국 여성들에게서 충분하다 못해 지나치다 할 환대를 받고 있으니, 그에 대한 약간의 반동이 있는 것은 지렛대의 원리상 당연한 일 아니겠습니까.

@dogbertt

“당신 모르시는 남들의 교육에 대해서 신경 쓰지 말고””
like you, who are convinced that non-Koreans “lack education” and “misunderstand Korea’s special situation”.

===>

O.K.
너무 얼토당토 아니한 말씀을 먼저 하시고 그 얼토당토 않은 말을 기초호 하여 글타래가 이어지고 있으니 제가 상기와 같은 반응을 하지 않을 수 있었겠습니까. 그런데, ‘한국에 대한 오해’ 부분은 관심사가 아닌데, 정말로.

요런 인물, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Jennings
그 외 많은 인물이 있었는데 어찌 한국 거주 외국인들을 괄세할 수가 있나요^^;

그러나, 진짜 정말 열받게도 한국의 형은 미국이나 영국에 비하여 가볍습니다. 거기다 조금 우는 척 하고 잉.잉.잉.거리고 여자면 세상 정말 살기 좋은 나라입니다. 물론, 어떤 가난한 최소하의 자존심을 지키려는 어쩌다 범죄의 길로 한 번 들어선 사람에게는 가혹하지만요. 그러니, 제발 남의 나라 법에 대해서 헛소리 좀 그만 ~~~~

dogbert

I’ll tell you what, uhuru.

When Koreans living in the U.S. stop working as whores by the thousands, stop slaughtering bears for their gall bladders, and stop being traitors (Michael Chang, Robert Kim), we foreigners will stop inviting all-to-willing Korean women to party in Hongdae.

Deal?

uhoooooo

자꾸 엉뚱한 말씀을.
전혀 다른 상황이잖습니까.

한국인들이 미국에 가서 일반적으로 그토록이나 환대받던가요?
홍대에서 한국 남자 오지 마라 한국 여자들만 와라 그러고서
서양인 남성이면 xx하는 한국 여자들 불러놓고 저게 뭡니까.

–;;; 사진 좀 보세요. 당신이 어느 나라 사람인지 모르겠지만 어느 나라든간에 본국에 있을 때 저렇게 놀았습니까.

미국에 가서 범법행위를 한 사람들은 그 나라 법에 따라서 충분히 벌을 받겠지요. 미국 FBI가 열심히 잡고 있다면서요. 누가 거기에 대해서 이의를 제기히던가요. 그들이 미국 법에 대하하여 “(있지도 않은 미국법을 가지고)이런 멍청한 법이 다 있네” 누가 우리를 신고하는 거야 이랬다던가요. 미국 정부를 싸잡아서 비난했다던가요. 그리고, 위에서 당신들은 캐나다인 포르노 배우 출신 강사에 대하여 우호적인 것 같은데.

dogbert

“홍대에서 한국 남자 오지 마라 한국 여자들만 와라 그러고서
서양인 남성이면 xx하는 한국 여자들 불러놓고 저게 뭡니까.”

제가 올린 글에 그런 의미는 없다니깐요. 영어를 제대로 해석할 줄 모르시나 싶어서 제가 앞으로 한국어로 답을 써야겠네요.

shakuhachi

“강간,은 왜 나오는지,
여자 문제야 이것, http://www.law4u.net/tech/board.php?board=trivia&command=body&no=19 . 이 정도로 충분하지 않나요?
한국남자들은 오지 못하게 하고 한국여성들만 입장시켜서는 저런다면서요? 당연히, 친분 있는 아니면 잔신부름이나 아니면 파티를 주관하는 몇 한국인은 입장하겠지요. 미국에서 한국 남자들이 저래 봐. 무슨 일이 일어날지 -_-;”

그 파티에는 한국 남자 금지 아니었습니다. 한국 남성을 자유스럽게 입장 시켰어요. 게다가 한국 남성도 그 파티에서 재미 있게 시간을 보냈다고 들었습니다.

사진을 잘 보면 작게 한국 남성의 얼굴을 볼 수 있습니다. 한국 남성이 있고, 참가하고, 놀았습니다. 물론 인종의 혼란을 시키고 싶은 네티즌이 그 사실을 알리고 싶지 않습니다. 그리고 그 파티의 내용에 관해서는, 네티즌등은 “섹스 파티” 라고 설명했는데 그 것은 왜곡된 내용 입니다. 실은 사진에 있는 여성들이 파티의 근무하는 여성 이었습니다. 외설인 행위는 이벤트의 전략이며 한국 여성만 아니라 다국의 서양 여성도 참가했습니다. 이 주장의 검증에 대해서 다시 사진을 보세요.

키포인트는 한국 남성도 외국 남성도 모두 있고, 한국 여성과 외국 여성이 남성의 성욕망의 대상이 되었습니다. 어떤 나라라도 섹스에 어필하면 티켓을 팔려 자르는군요. 그러나 한국의 네티즌이나 매스컴은 내용을 왜곡해 국민을 자극 시키고 당신 처럼 분노하시는 사람이 많겠지요.

다시 물어보지만, 정말로 외국 남성 하는 성폭행은 한국 남성 하는 성폭행 보다 자주 있는 현상이라고 생각합니까? 특별히 외국 남성을 지적하니까 구체적인 답장을 원합니다.

I hope someone besides me and dogbert is reading this, because there is an interesting discussion going on here.

That is it. I made the salient points about the issue, and then the Korean commenter runs away from the discussion. This does not just happen occasionally, but almost always happens with Korean commenters commenting in Korean. That is why I am not going to debate in Korean anymore.

Posted by Matt, filed under Language, Random. Date: December 22, 2006, 9:58 pm | 59 Comments »

59 Responses

  1. Errol Says:

    That is why I am not going to debate in Korean anymore.

    The uhoooooo bloke had no intention of engaging in dialogue. A little bit of cyber-bullying goes a long way in Korea. But you’re not in Korea so he gave up.

    If you were in Korea the technique for forcing you to say sorry to a bully is more visceral.

  2. Errol Says:

    This does not just happen occasionally, but almost always happens with Korean commenters commenting in Korean.

    This almost always doesn’t happen when Korean commenters use English, as they are too weak to resist a free English lesson.

  3. MarkA Says:

    I’m glad you brought it here, because it kinda sucks when there’s a good conversation taking place at the end of a dead thread.

  4. tomato Says:

    I hope you don’t write in that…that…writing. Good ol’ English is better.

  5. shadkt Says:

    Hey, if it’s English blog, then English should be used for debate.
    I go to English speaking blog to read the contents, so I sure would like to know what’s being said :)

    Same thing can be said for other language blogs., of course.
    If it’s Korean language blog, Korean should be the norm and so forth.

  6. Two Cents Says:

    Matt,
    Actually, I was following what you were writing at Marmot’s. It’s not only the person you are debating with that reads the comments, but other silent viewers also see them, so I do not think your efforts are completely lost. I think translation engines work rather well between Japanese-Korean, especially when the writer is a non-native since they ususally stick to the correct grammar. But I guess sticking to English would be best since most people won’t bother using the translation engines unless they have time.

  7. wjk Says:

    you have a strange habit of glorifying and documenting trails. Look, world ! This guy has an alias. Look, world ! I made a logical argument, and this guy went away ! Maybe he left because I told him not to waste his time.

  8. wjk Says:

    let’s play youf game, now Matt. You’re an Australian non-whitey. Who has a lot of things to say about Korea. And your alias is Shadkt. A Beautiful life, is it not?

  9. wjk Says:

    your

  10. wjk Says:

    for a guy who witch hunts after people with aliases, it’s so interesting that you use one or more, too.

    I’m not sure if you ever did, but I imagine you have done so many times, but if you have the balls to condemn Korean internet users for tracking down the private lives of people, I think you should rightly be ready to get some yourself because you seem to do that tracking stuff and enjoy it immensely.

    Let’s watch a youtube video of someguy who uses an alias. Put yourself on it.

  11. ponta Says:

    wjk
    It is about the distortion of Korean media and netizen, right?

    And Korean debater run away.

    I am not sure why he run away. It might be because he listened to your misleading advise, or it might be because he realized he was losing.

    I for one met a lot of Korean people who run away from the debate when they realized they were losing. There might be other reasons why they left, but if they leave when they are cornered, it is sort of inevitable to leave the impression that they left because they were losing.

    One Korean guy left the comment if somebody wants the proof that Dokdo belongs to Korea, give him e-mail address. I left the e-mail address. All I got are a bunbh of spam mail.
    wjk, you left when we were talking about the issue of comfort women, saying you were going on a trip or something.
    Do you have a Christmas Party planm or a plan to buy your favorit Japanese porno or something this time, when you are cornered?

    Or is it all Japan’s fault again?

  12. Darin Says:

    for a guy who witch hunts after people with aliases, it’s so interesting that you use one or more, too.

    Hardly even close. If it was such a secret alias, why would he being exposing himself? Furthermore, notice if you click on his name it takes you to, what, this very site. What a sly little devil that Matt is huh.

  13. wjk Says:

    Ponta, you are usually one of the more polite and reasonable characters here.

    Anyway, I think I said all I had to say about the comfort women issue.

    I don’t buy the US report composed by a US Japanese citizen.

    I don’t believe the Japanese govt’s report on it.

    I don’t believe the link provided that was academically published in Europe, composed by a person with a Japanese last name.

    That’s my position. If you don’t like it, that’s fine.

    I didn’t run away. And I was going on a real trip. Camping. No internet connection.

    It’s not so much about Korean netizens as it is more about Matt/Shakt/Austrailian’s rude behavior.

    He could also say I am rude. I accept.

    For the record, I don’t like Japanese porn. I won’t explain why. People have different preferences, I suppose.

  14. wjk Says:

    I think dogbertt also links himself to Occidentalism. For a long time, I thought dogbertt was Matt.

  15. wjk Says:

    what about dogbertt “running away”, when I linked him to an academic article about the US based prescription drug plan being ill suited to the South Korean health system? I read that pdf of about 6 or 8 pages, and dogbertt didn’t even bother replying. The issue was the free trade agreement. It might not have been dogbertt. I apologize in that case.

  16. wjk Says:

    also, I realize I’m repeating the issue, but Occidentalism has used Taiwan as a favorite model to compare with South Korea.

    Taiwan. Loves Japan.
    South Korea. Hates Japan.

    Occidentalism claimed the conclusion was South Korea was just unreasonably hateful.

    I labored the point that,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_Relations

    this might be the reason, along with Chiang’s past for and against Japan.

    So, Matt. I suppose Unit 731 also never existed or they contributed to science. I wonder why it always somehow gets a couple lines in Lippincott Williams & Wilkins’s various books.

  17. wjk Says:

    Please provide us with “doctored” photos of Unit 731. Prove to us with photographs that it is all a misunderstanding.

  18. wjk Says:

    also, how does this neutral and informative blog manage to miss out on a 1945 Japanese nurse’s testimony this year on American television that the Japanse govt covered a medical experiment ground and built apartments/playgrounds over it?

    And the coverup was done on Japanese soil.

  19. wjk Says:

    to add another point, some folk here like to link up Korean prostitute activities in America.

    Okay, but that has nothing to do with Korean culture, in my opinion. Biased, I suppose.

    Then please explain to me why Taiwan used to have a big industry exporting Taiwanese girls to Japan to have sex with Japanese men.

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tw.html

    Explain why my friends who have been to Germany say there are Eastern European girls lined up at night in Berlin to sell their bodies.

    I think the more logical conclusion is that any country with a lower GDP will have prostitute citizens going to a higher GDP nation they can enter with relative ease, to make more money selling their bodies.

    Has nothing to do with being Korean. In my opinion. You don’t like it, that’s ok. I don’t like yours, either.

  20. ponta Says:

    wjk
    What matt forget to mention in this post is that some Koreans and ethnic Koreans show their hatred by attacking a person, by attacking irrelevant aspect of a country.
    You mentioned Japanese atrocity here again.
    We can talk about Japanese atrocity, Chinese atrocity, Korean atrocity for ever. But what is the point of talking about Japanese atrocity when we are talking about the distortion of Korean media and netizen?
    Does not this just exemplify your hatred toward Japan?

    I once talked with a commenter called Chul soo on this issue.
    I said it is mainly Koreans who blame Japan endlessly.
    Let’s take Filipino for instance.
    They rarely blame Japan for the past atrocity.
    When they mention it , their example is what happened to their ancestor. for instance, Batter death March.
    When the apology is made, they accept it.
    Even a philippine writer blame China for its hypocrisy.

    Like many other Asian countries, the Philippines suffered severely in the hands of the Japanese. A million Filipinos were killed. Manila was razed to the ground.
    We’ve not forgotten but we’ve not used these “historical crimes” to stand in the way of fostering and maintaining friendly relations with a former enemy.
    The reason is obvious. After its defeat, Japan turned its back on war as an instrument of national policy. Although not yet a “normal” country in the sense that it cannot project its military might beyond its borders, it has lived up to its national goal of being a force for good in Asia and the world.

    : What gives China the moral right to demand an apology from Japan for its barbarism ?
    What a difference with some Koreans!

    I think many ethnic Koreans are kind, reasonable, able to discuss,.
    For instance, I disagree with emrapter on this blog, but I respect the way he argue points. I like the Asian pages, the way she argue her points. Chul soo
    on this blog is a good debater.

    But regretably there are native and ethnic Koreans who apparently show the hatred like nulgi, baduk, jk, bluejive etc.Their writings are so impressively hateful, and other Koreans are silent about it.

    When a guy pretending to a Japanese told many times that Korea, put the garbage in the garbage can etc…..I warned him, and other Japanese showed the disgust.

    wjk It is okay you are interested in Japanese pornography. Nobody has shown as much interest in Japanese pornography as you I am glad you are interested in Japanese culture. Why not view other aspect of Japan? Why not view other aspect of Korea, the dark side without which Korea could develop more fully?

    p.s as for the comfort women, your argument is weak in that all you said was you don’t want to believe the clear evidence because that contradicts what you want to believe.

  21. ponta Says:

    I think the more logical conclusion is that any country with a lower GDP will have prostitute citizens going to a higher GDP nation they can enter with relative ease, to make more money selling their bodies.

    That is an important reason why one nation has a great ratio of the prostitutes.
    (Japan also experienced it).
    And that happened during the colonial period. They were called comfort women. They didn’t sell their bodies willingly, but they or their parents, out of poverty, sold their bodies. It was unfortunate. And it is unfortunate that the similar prostitutes has been taking place before, during, after the colonization in Korea.

  22. Mika Says:

    wjk,

    Even in Korea, some Korean scholars are reviewing their history under the Japanese occupation, because they’ve noticed that fabrications in their history are fueling unnecessary anger in people. If you can read Koean , read the following article.

    MBC 뉴스초점 출연 “강제동원 증거없어…토지수탈도 없었다”
    http://www.dailyseop.com/section/article_view.aspx?at_id=52265

    It’s shame that those Koreans are usualy attacked by nationalistic Koreans who have never been taught to think rationally or to appreciate another point of view.

    Violent Scenes Break Up Textbook Forum
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200612/200612010025.html
    “This is one example of the distorted way we communicate in this society by resorting to violence in dealing with any issue,” he said. Park Hyo-chong, a professor of SNU’s Ethics Education Department and head of Text Forum, said, “It seems impossible for us to hold such a discussion in a public setting. We have to adjust our schedule including publication of the alternative textbook slated for March next year.”

  23. wjk Says:

    Ponta, logic does not always lead to the truth.

    And I don’t have to repeat what I said.

    What I say, I say without a need to lie.

    As for the Phillipines, the case can be argued that they might have actually been somewhat happy to be free from American control and shifted into Japanese control for a brief time. You can’t argue that the Japanese were good invaders.

    Even the Ukraine welcomed the Germans.

    There’s a perfectly good reason why China and Korea are upset with Japan. Like I point out, comparing that with Taiwan is erroneous, and I debunk the comparison with the Phillipines as well. I don’t think many Phillipinos would say the US were perfect occupants.

  24. wjk Says:

    I think Matt of occidentalism has been claiming that he was an objective Austrailian white guy, who had great reasons to say somethings about Korea.

    Hmmm…

    What’s up with the gravatar of an Asian guy with a NYPD shirt and a Japanese word as his name?

    Very suspicious.

  25. wjk Says:

    my whole point is that the witch hunting Matt of occidentalism may have been lying about his dual/triple identity all along as well. What a deceiver.

  26. tomato Says:

    Hey, think before you write- don’t just write down everything that comes up on your mind wtihout waiting for any response. Unless your intent is to squeeze out any comments you dislike into oblivion…

  27. ponta Says:

    wjk

    Ponta, logic does not always lead to the truth.

    True, but the hatred never lead to the truth.

    As for the Phillipines, the case can be argued that they might have actually been somewhat happy to be free from American control and shifted into Japanese control for a brief time.

    You missed the point completely here..
    What they are saying is that they didn’t welcome Japanese nor American. But unlike Koreans, they are forward thinking. They see what is and what will be, not what was.

    There’s a perfectly good reason why China and Korea are upset with Japan.

    Filipinos too has reason to hate Japan and the US. but they don’t grudge unlike Koreans as mentioned above (because Japan has been peaceful and friendly).
    It looks to outsiders that Korea is full of hatred, a culture of han=hatred.

    Vietnamese has reason to hate Koreans. but they don’t grudge unlike Koreans, though Korea has never apologized nor compensated.
    It looks to outsiders that Korea is full of hatred, a culture of han=hatred.

    Japan invaded Taiwan , and the resistance was longer and more fierce than korean resistance, yet Taiwanese are friendly to Japan now.
    It looks to outsider Korea is full of the hatred.

    The Japan’s relation with China is different from her relation with Korea.
    Japan invaded China; there was a war between Japan and China. In a way Japan invaded Korea but at the same time the largest Korean political party welcomed Japan. There was no war between Korea and japan .Korea was freed from China by Japan, and Japan and Korea invaded China, Korea’s former boss.
    China and Korea demanded apology, Japan apologized to both countries. China .abandoned the compensation, Japan helped her through ODA. Korea demanded compensation, which no other colonized nation had received. The wish was granted. but Korea grumble further.
    South Korea was invaded by North Korea, and much more South Koreans were killed by North Korean regime and South korean regime after the independence, and yet, they don’t grumble. They even worship war dead and the dictator in North Korea, and South Korea.
    It looks to outsider Korea is selectively hateful.

    comparing that with Taiwan is erroneous, and I debunk the comparison with the Phillipines as well.

    What better comparison there is other than Taiwan and Phillipines. They were colonized at the similar period. In case of Taiwan, she was colonized
    by Japan just like Korea was.
    And the comparison make it clear that Korea is most hateful.

    You seem to think you have right to hate and grudge forever once you are wronged in the past even if the apology was made, even if the compensation was made. In a way yes, that is your lifestyle. In a way,but nobody has right to tell lies about the peson or a country that they hate; some Koreans do that.

    In your case, notice you are young and your are not wronged by Japan, rather you enjoy Japanese pornography, but you are just educated to speak out the hate speech against Japan. The hateful energy is just surprising.

    All you are saying here is that you hate Japan, you hate matt, you hate anybody who criticize Korea.
    It looks to outsider your attitude is the other coin of the strong narcissism about your nation.It is better to get over the narcissism, I suppose.

    .

  28. Matt Says:

    my whole point is that the witch hunting Matt of occidentalism may have been lying about his dual/triple identity all along as well. What a deceiver.

    How am I deceiving anyone? I always said I used ‘shakuhachi’ as a username over at the marmots hole, and I had been using that username there before I started this blog. When I started this blog I decided to use my real name. Everyone knows it.

  29. jaebea Says:

    If Matt’s not of the Anglo-Saxon persuasion, I’ll eat my hat. And shoes.

  30. wjk Says:

    Ponta, obviously you and I have a completely different understanding of things.

    I won’t comment on your understanding of Korea being colonized by Japan, because it seems to me that is what the Japanese teach their children. And it is most disagreeable. Actually, we’ve been warned about your line of talk. It’s not anything new I heard. It just confirms the Japanese view.

    Fine. But, that’s just one of the many reasons why Koreans who are not directly affected by the colony period don’t like you.

    Reason to hate forever? I don’t hate forever. In fact, I am at relative peace with most individuals who are Japanese that I know of. I did notice a difference between a few Japanese who are from Japan who are more guarding and rude towards Koreans, whereas 4th, 5th generation US Japanese are just like anyone in the US. I have more of a problem with the Japanese political elite who still controls Japanese politics every year, the LDP. You can’t deny that almost all of them have roots back to the Empire. Their kids and grandkids act the same. That, my friend, continues the hate on your part. Koizumi in particular abandoned at least surface politeness.

    You totally ignore the Taiwan situation. Mainland Chinese people know that Chiang Kai Shek sacked the Chinese commys instead of the Japanese Empire numerous times.
    Your opinion on the Phillipines is most disagreeable. First of all, they were under rule for 3 super long years. That’s just a start.

    Like I said, I don’t need to lie.

    You go watch Japanese porn all you want. I have seen it, but I don’t like it. Before I say more degrading things about you, you should be polite and stop putting words in my mouth. If you understand what that means.

    I’ll say this. Japanese girls need to work with their facial cosmetic surgeons more. There. You asked for it. I wasn’t gonna say it. But you asked for it. You deserve it.

    Shakuhachi/Matt. Your gravatar is misleading and so is your name. You never refer to yourself as Matt. Not everyone knows it. Besides that, you make a huge deal out of other people with double identities. You never apologized to them, and pretty much made a huge fun out of it, witch hunt style. Even revealing their real faces. Plus, you like to praise yourself for your witchhunt results in public. I wouldn’t be shocked if you were something analogous to something Dave Chapelle featured in one of his routines. Jaebea, you might have to eat it.

  31. GarlicBreath Says:

    Well that was a whole bunch of nutty nonsence by WJK. WJK where is your picture? What is your name? Don’t run away WJK. Who are you?

    I’ll say this. Japanese girls need to work with their facial cosmetic surgeons more. There. You asked for it. I wasn’t gonna say it. But you asked for it. You deserve it.

    Sounds like you have been rejected by a few. Anyway, it sounds like you like Yonsama more then Kurara Chibana.

    Runner up Miss Universe.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Xcx7GwN8w

    Korean women go under the knife.
    http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/1101020805/plastics.html

  32. wjk Says:

    Garlic Breath, it’s pretty much corporate/school education nowadays not to use your real name in public internet blogs.

    One of the few things people do when they hire someone, is google their full names just out of curiosity, or go to every public networking service and look them up, their friends, etc.

    I have no desire to be associated in anyway with a person who disguises his sorry self as Garlic Breath.

    How you came up with your conclusion, beginning with ‘sounds like’ is a mystery. But, this is a portal for misfits and malcontents and some Japanese nationalists who like to be consoled by the idea that some whitey in Australia advocates their cause. But, he might not be who you think he is. That said, don’t go exposing your real name and face, Matt. You might get your ass kicked in real life/suffer in your work place, etc.

    People aren’t so inherently good natured.

  33. wjk Says:

    although, Matt. You had no problem doing that to someone, like say, Kushibo.

  34. Matt Says:

    although, Matt. You had no problem doing that to someone, like say, Kushibo.

    wjk, are you done with your ranting?

    1. The difference between my username on the marmots hole and kushibo’s multiple usernames and blogs is that I make it clear that I am Matt from Occidentalism. I even refer to Occidentalism as “my blog” on the marmots hole, and if you click on my username it takes you to Occidentalism. Kushibo on the other hand had his other usernames and blogs and did not reveal to the people he was attacking that all the people that were attacking were the same person.

    2. People at the marmots hole have all kinds of avatars that are not necessarily their own faces. Some people uses faces, some cartoon characters, and you use the symbol of the mets. I use the face of bluejives, who is another commenter at marmots as a kind of homage to him.

    3. I did not reveal Kushibo’s face. Kushibo had his face on his blog.

    Any other complaints?

  35. Matt Says:

    Jaebea, you might have to eat it.

    Unlikely. Jaebea is a Korean-Australian that has met me in real life.

  36. tomato Says:

    wjk,

    Your understanding of Japan is crude and mistaken, and you’re just revealing what is taught about Japan in your sorry, ultranationalistic country of yours that is S Korea. Unlike ponta, I don’t believe a cinch you natioalist Koreans will ever get it. Your minds are so full of ethnocentric and racial supremacist vews coupled with hate of Japan and even the US that you can’t think of nothing else. It’s a sad thing that S Korea is overrun by such nationalist perceptions. And I’m pretty sure that it will be your demise.

  37. ponta Says:

    wjk
    Thanks

    Ponta, obviously you and I have a completely different understanding of things.

    I won’t comment on your understanding of Korea being colonized by Japan,

    Because my view is backed up with evidences and the truth and your view is backed up with your wish and hatred. It is inevitable for you to lose the argument. That is another way to run away.

    Ponta, obviously you and I have a completely different understanding of things.

    I won’t comment on your understanding of Korea being colonized by Japan,

    Having completely different understanding is absolutely no problem, that is life, but why don’t you read the actual history textbooks just once before you criticize.

    And it is most disagreeable

    If my view is disagreeable, it is because your view are thoroughly glorified version of Korean history.

    Just point out which part I told you a lie. Don’t run away.

    But, that’s just one of the many reasons why Koreans who are not directly affected by the colony period don’t like you.

    Hmm. Interesting. I don like American people who hold a different view on Hirosihima from mine. I love USA. Maybe, does your culture nurture the hatred to hate and hate and hate other people so easily? Does your culture hostile to a different opinion? Do you have to have the same opinion to get respect? ….if that is the case, I think that is terrible society.

    You totally ignore the Taiwan situation. Mainland Chinese people know that Chiang Kai Shek sacked the Chinese commys instead of the Japanese Empire numerous times..

    Syngman Rhee sacked South Koreans. Did you forget?

    Your opinion on the Phillipines is most disagreeable. First of all, they were under rule for 3 super long years. That’s just a start.

    What are you talking about? I said they suffered, they resisted. In fact they resisted more fiercely against the US than Koreans did against Japan. And yet they don’t grudge like Korean people. That is the point.

    You go watch Japanese porn all you want. I have seen it, but I don’t like it. Before I say more degrading things about you, you should be polite and stop putting words in my mouth

    Wait a minutes, Do I have to remind people how much you showed the interest in Japanese pornography?

    I’ll say this. Japanese girls need to work with their facial cosmetic surgeons more. There. You asked for it. I wasn’t gonna say it. But you asked for it. You deserve it.

    Why do some Korean people act in the similar way? This is exactly the same kind of thing JK did. Hmmm, Culture?

    But I am glad you acted as I predicted. Some Koreans people has a strong tendency to attack people and irrelevant aspect of the country instead of attacking the argument. Your comment is a beautiful example of it.

  38. ponta Says:

    I don like American people who .hold a different view on Hirosihima from minea
    →I don’t dislike American people who hold a different view on Hirosihima from minea I love USA

  39. Fantasy Says:

    Ponta said:

    I don like American people who hold a different view on Hirosihima from mine.

    →I don’t dislike American people who hold a different view on Hirosihima from mine. I love USA.

    Yeah, we can disagree on some issues and still like and respect one another. That is what we consider the essence of civilised debate. Some commenters, mostly Koreans, seem to think differently.

  40. wjk Says:

    Ponta, you’re a miserable person.

    I’m not gonna read a Japanese text translated into English and somehow conclude that is the truth.

    Seems like hate is active on your part as well. It’s mutual, you idiot.

    You watch all the Jap porn you want. I’m admitting I’ve seen it, but I’ve said more than once that I don’t like it. If you can’t accept that, then that’s your problem. What more can I say? I’m supposed to like it, because you say I do?

    I’ve lost all respect for you as a human being.

  41. ponta Says:

    wjk
    Thanks for a beautiful example of what I talked about some Korean persons.
    BTW remember, you started the tale of Japanese pornography.

  42. ponta Says:

    I might add…..

    I’m not gonna read a Japanese text translated into English and somehow conclude that is the truth.

    You don’t have to conclude that is the truth. The point is you have to read it if you are to criticize it.

    Seems like hate is active on your part as well. It’s mutual, you idiot.

    Do you hate people who disagree with you? I don’t. It is true that I find it pleasure to find people who have a similar interest, but , I often find it boring to talk with people who has exactly the same opinion as mine. I don’t look into the mirror to praise myself.

    You watch all the Jap porn you want. I’m admitting I’ve seen it, but I’ve said more than once that I don’t like it. If you can’t accept that, then that’s your problem. What more can I say? I’m supposed to like it, because you say I do?

    To conclude that Japanese pornography is rape oriented, you have to watch a lot of Japanese pornography.
    If you haven’t seen many, and made that conclusion, your were just saying it to demonize Japanese out of your hatred against Japanese.
    If you have seen it that many, at least you are interested in it. And many people can not help but have impressions you like it despite your denial..

  43. GarlicBreath Says:

    WJK said
    But, this is a portal for misfits and malcontents

    Yes misfits and malcontents like you.

    and some Japanese nationalists who like to be consoled by the idea that some whitey in Australia advocates their cause

    Koreans lead the world in congratulating themselves if “some w hitey” advocates their causes. Case and point is when a nobody (except hs is “some whitey” as WJK likes to say) like Tony MacGregor is celebrated for agreeing with the Korean borg that Takeshima (dikdo) is Korean.

    http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200611/kt2006110116011211950.htm

  44. GarlicBreath Says:

    WJK said:
    You watch all the Jap porn you want.

    I dont think Ponta said he watches porn, only that if you want to watch it, then its up to you.

    I’m admitting I’ve seen it,

    I know, I know, you have said it already many times.

    but I’ve said more than once that I don’t like it. If you can’t accept that, then that’s your problem. What more can I say?

    Well, perhaps you can stop bringing it up that you watch Jap rape porn. I guess, when you were renting it, the Jap rape movie, you were forced and it wasn’t your fault. That is pretty sick. I can see why you hide your name.

  45. dogbert Says:

    what about dogbertt “running away”, when I linked him to an academic article about the US based prescription drug plan being ill suited to the South Korean health system? I read that pdf of about 6 or 8 pages, and dogbertt didn’t even bother replying. The issue was the free trade agreement. It might not have been dogbertt. I apologize in that case.

    What happened to our “Christmas Truce”? LOL

    I vaguely remember that exchange, but I do not believe I was the person you were debating that with.

  46. dogbert Says:

    For a long time, I thought dogbertt was Matt.

    Quite a few people do. Of course, Matt and I are friends IRL and we do share quite a few viewpoints as well as have interests in common completely unrelated to the sorts of issues discussed on Occidentalism and The Marmot’s Hole.

  47. Fantasy Says:

    wjk Said:

    December 24, 2006 at 2:44 pm

    Ponta, you’re a miserable person.

    …you idiot. You watch all the Jap porn you want.

    I’ve lost all respect for you as a human being.

    wjk:

    The public opinion in Germany, in France, and in most other European countries (except for GB and Ireland) is generally most critical of Japan, and quite receptive of the Korean point of view. But this is mostly because only very few Europeans have ever had to deal with actual Koreans.

    If you care to find out what puts off those with such experience, just look at the aggressive tone of your own comments. Sounds as if written by an immature 9-year old with poor manners…

    How can you dare to expect to be taken seriously ?

  48. tomato Says:

    The public opinion in Germany, in France, and in most other European countries (except for GB and Ireland) is generally most critical of Japan, and quite receptive of the Korean point of view. But this is mostly because only very few Europeans have ever had to deal with actual Koreans.

    Judging from BBC and other English media, the British and the Americans seem to know that Japan apoligized 20 or more times and paid handsome contributions to Asian countries, which China and Korea benefited the most. Which the Koreans seem to know little about.

    The Japanese government should have done something about the negative campaign by the Koreans, and their inaction over the years helped create the image of Japan being an unaplogetic nation. But come to think of it, it’s really morbid to spread negative images of a country that poses no particular threat against you…so maybe in the end, the inaction might prove right than risking being alleged unapologetic by countering Korean claims…maybe we’ll have to see what happens in the long term.

  49. ponta Says:

    Sounds as if written by an immature 9-year old with poor manners…

    wjk might be really 9 year old boy, seeing his excessive reaction to the allegation that he likes pornography…..you know, kids are curious at the same time they are inhibitive about sex., If that is the case, I feel kind of guilty.
    I hope he will be back and learn to enjoy the discussion.

    The Japanese government should have done something about the negative campaign by the Koreans

    i think Japanese government should not make light of the soft power:Japan has little choice concerning the hard power.

  50. AkihitoMojito Says:

    I’m back.

    Been away for awhile taking care of some biznazz.

    Just wanted to comment on a few things:

    However, now he is no longer commenting about it, and that made me remember why I do not debate with Koreans in Korean anymore – it is because once you have made a excellent point, they disappear, and you never get any satisfaction for the time and effort that it took writing in what is for me a third language.

    This is sight is certainly entertaining. Before I came to East Asia I really had no idea how nationalistic China, Korea and Japan really were. The nationalist fervor exhibited in this region is similar to how I imagine Western European nationalism was like in the early twentieth century. Reading the comments of everyone involved on this blog really gives me insight into all the various “isms” prevalent in Korea and Japan.

    Anywho.

    Matt, you comment that you can’t have debates with people on this board and the reason why is pretty obvious: Whether you intended it or not Occidentalism has become a Troll Forum. Troll Forums are characterized by their lack of dissent. Most of the threads are just contests to see who can outdo the other in saying the most offensive thing about Korea.

    Where is the debate?

    I’ve checked out the archives and it seems the same Anti-Korea people are here–Ponta, Garlic-Breath, Tomato, Gerry-Bevers, Darin, Two-Cents, etc.

    Whereas the Pro-Korean Posters: Kushibo, YoungRocco, Dogbert, etc, have all been banned for some trumped up reason or another.

    I declare right now that most of my posts will be Pro-Korean.

    I wonder what excuses will be used to send me out like the others?

    You want reasoned debate? Maybe you should listen to the other side instead of silencing it..

  51. Matt Says:

    I’ve checked out the archives and it seems the same Anti-Korea people are here–Ponta, Garlic-Breath, Tomato, Gerry-Bevers, Darin, Two-Cents, etc.

    Whereas the Pro-Korean Posters: Kushibo, YoungRocco, Dogbert, etc, have all been banned for some trumped up reason or another.

    You ARE YoungRocco. All the other people you claim are banned have not been. You have been banned for trolling. In addition to your AkihitoMojito account here, you also have one called ‘CasinoRoyale’. You, sir, are a troll. You were banned for lying about being silenced, and you are lying again about other people being banned. The fact is that EVERYONE knows that the comments section on Occidentalism is freewheeling, and does not ban people for expressing their opinion.

  52. AkihitoMojito Says:

    Matt:

    You ARE YoungRocco

    See what I mean? Silencing dissent. Why am I being accused of being someone else?

    All the other people you claim are banned have not been

    Hey, all i know is that they don’t post on this sight anymore. I assume they were banned.

    The fact is that EVERYONE knows that the comments section on Occidentalism is freewheeling

    Which is why you ban people, right? Or I mean, which is why dissenters “disappear.”

    you also have one called ‘CasinoRoyale’

    Looks like someone has gone 화병! I have no idea who ‘CasinoRoyale’ is.

  53. Matt Says:

    YoungRocco, when we ban people we make a big deal of it with plenty of warnings. In your case, it tooks months of warnings about your trolling before Darin banned you. Nobody ever just “disappears”. That is not what we do at Occidentalism. Good bye again, troll.

  54. Calagatha Says:

    Eh,AKito just what the hell are you talking about?
    Have you seen how obnoxious Young Rocco’s post were?
    He tried to act all witty,classy & sarcastic, but his comments were merely transparent & easy to see through.
    I have to admit though, I wish he was still around.
    Rocco’s posts were quite entertaining.
    Kushibo had multiple accounts, where he pretended to be two or three different personas. That alone constitutes a ban IMO.
    What are you implying by “where’s the debate”
    It’s quite obvious that posters such as Ponta, Gerry-Bevers, & Darin usually provide sources & written documents to support their proported facts.
    Just look at WJK’s posts. He doesn’t seem to want or even know how to back up his claims. From a 3rd point perspective his posts comes off as hearsay.

    Damn why is it that I’m seeing the same exact habit that I saw when I last visited this page?
    Why is it that posters such as yourself, tell one side of the story,but intentionally leave out the other.
    I love how you make posters such as Ponta or Gerry out to sound like “evil fascists” whereas you give the impression that individuals such as Young rocco or Kushibo were nothing more than innocent victims voicing their opinion.

    I lurk here all the time, & I usually refrain from posting because I don’t want to be pulled into the circus that generates with every Korea related blog post.
    Ponta IMO is one of the kindest,most sincere posters in this blog.
    I’d go as far to say that he is a typical Japanese.
    He’s humble, almost too humble.
    But I prefer humble over extreme ignorance & arrogance anyday.
    Personally I doubt that you’ll get banned for simply having a different view point.
    Aki,unlike most “pro korea” posters…
    I can actually see your point & your posts are easy to understand,
    Most “pro korea” posters are so emotionally distraught that their posts often come out incomprehensible, & most often quite comical.
    Tis why I view this blog as a comedy site.
    You can always be sure that somebody in the comments section is going to say something completely outragoues & illogical.

    (“Pro Korea” is in quatations,because I do not see this as an “Us or them” affair.
    I’m not pro Japanese or Korean, but I tend to side with the Japanese point of view,because their arguments make more sense.
    Simply put they do more than just whine & shout.)

    I will admit though I do find it odd that Individuals such as Chonko are allowed to spew his racist drivel whereas most “Pro Korea” posters are not allowed the same privelage.

    BTW Chonko I actually agree with most of your posts.
    Hell I’m sick & tired of Koreans constantly boasting about how beautiful there ethnicity is.
    When quite frankly most of them look average at best.
    The majority wear way too much make up.
    I prefer Japanese women,because some of them could seriously pass for Northern European.

    I’m just saying that it’s a bit unfair that posters such as Chonko are allowed to post in such a hateful manner,but Korean posters aren’t allowed the same privelage.

  55. Calagatha Says:

    I won’t comment on your understanding of Korea being colonized by Japan, because it seems to me that is what the Japanese teach their children. And it is most disagreeable. Actually, we’ve been warned about your line of talk. It’s not anything new I heard. It just confirms the Japanese view.

    With your logic I guess that implies that Mike Rogers is Japanese.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers206.html
    Most of what Mike Rogers wrote directly coincides with what I believe, as it sounds more logical.
    Has it ever occurred to you that your “truth” may not be the end all be all of the “truth”
    In general the “truth” is just a commonly accepted consensus by the masses.
    If enough individuals believe in a lie, that lie will eventually become “truth”
    The only way to discern truth is through a process of events which involves examining many different sources pretaining to the same subject, & weeding out all the fat.

    Reason to hate forever? I don’t hate forever. In fact, I am at relative peace with most individuals who are Japanese that I know of. I did notice a difference between a few Japanese who are from Japan who are more guarding and rude towards Koreans, whereas 4th, 5th generation US Japanese are just like anyone in the US.

    Just what do you mean by “Japanese who are from Japan who are more guarding and rude towards Koreans.” From what I’ve seen most Japanese nationals tend to be more cautious around Chinese.
    They usually don’t even notice Koreans.
    (That was until the 2002 world cup.)
    IMO you’re basicaclly just parroting alledged accounts that may or may have not happened.
    I used to live in Japan (Chugoku area) & I’ll tell you straight up,
    before BoA became popular…
    The only thing the general Japanese public knew about Korea was Kimchi

    However you’re correct in saying “Just like everybody else in the U.S.”
    Meaning they are completly ignorant of current affairs ocurring within the Asian hemisphere.
    Do you even listen to yourself when you write statements such as this?
    A 4th,5th generation Japanese American is basically an American more or less. Japanese on the outside,but their train of thought,culture & genreal vibe is mostly American.
    Individuals of Caucasian heritage who travel abroad understand & comprehend more about Asian poltical affairs than most Asian Americans do.
    Asian Americans in general are only acustomed to the Chinese point of view of Asian politics.
    Hell most Asian Americans still believe that Iris Chang’s
    “Rape of Nanking” is a historical account.
    That to me speaks volumes of how ignorant the average Asian American is concerning manners that occur in Asia.

    $rth,5th generation Japanese Americans are the same as a 3rd,4th generation Koreans in Japan.
    Yes they may be Korean on the outside,but spiritualy they are Japanese. (Referring to way they think & their train of thought.)

    I have more of a problem with the Japanese political elite who still controls Japanese politics every year, the LDP. You can’t deny that almost all of them have roots back to the Empire. Their kids and grandkids act the same.

    Ah another alledged fact that I’m supposed to take seriuosly. So tell me part-nah. Who is this Japanese political elite that you are referring to?
    I hope it’s not the Right wing? I am getting so sick & tired of that being parroted over & over again…
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers156.html
    (The above link is actualy an article about a comedian,but it’s quite an informative blog post.)

    That, my friend, continues the hate on your part. Koizumi in particular abandoned at least surface politeness.

    Quite funny, I never really got the impression that Koizumi is a “evil fascist fucking jap”.
    I mean come on, this is the same guy who opened for the museum of the Japanese rock star, Hide.
    http://vampirefreaks.com/cult.php?c=Pink_Spider

    I suppose you’re referring to Yasukuni shrine.
    A friggin’ place that Japanese PMs have been visiting for years,but all of a sudden it’s now “conviently” treated as a criminal felony all due to a couple of misconceptions that most Korean,Chinese simply don’t want or are unable to understand.
    What is it about Yasukuni that y’all can’t understand?
    There are no war dead buried there, only souls.
    Once again I’m going to post a link to that blog.

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers188.html

    (It’s not my fault,this guy is one of the few people on the internet that I’ve seen who actually knows what he’s talking about.
    Although like most people he sometimes makes mistakes. Referring to his “Sengoku” post.)

    I’ll say this. Japanese girls need to work with their facial cosmetic surgeons more. There. You asked for it. I wasn’t gonna say it. But you asked for it. You deserve it.

    Somehow I sincerely doubt that your comments are offending anybody.
    When I read this it just made me chuckle,because it looked so random.
    Tell me just why are we bringing up the subject of women again?
    During a convo that has nothing to do with it.
    BTW don’t even try to act like you weren’t trying to activate a smear campaign through you website by claiming that all Japanese porn is rape.
    I agree with Ponta’s logic, in order to come to such a conclusion one must’ve have spent some ample time.
    Besides pornstars like Ran Asakawa look mighty fine to me.
    BTW look up Kokeshi,Fanta dream,99b carribean I’m sure you’ll find something that you’ll like.
    Like Chonko said…

    BTW, a Korean suggesting that another nationality is in need of plastic surgery is like the Marquis De Sade advising others on child rearing. What a laugh..especially when 90% of the entire population of Korea relies on plastic surgery.

    As irritated & racist as he sounds the bitter irony that I saw when you made your comment rang true to my ears,because I was thinking the same exact thing as Chonko.
    In fact it was this same irony that made moi chuckle in the first place.

  56. Matt Says:

    Chonko promised me that he would tone it down, but I see that he has not. I know he has the ability to post comments sans the racial abuse and animal references. I have deleted the offending post anyway.

    Chonko, would you PLEASE keep it clean? When people that happen to agree with the thrust of what you are saying like Calagatha say they are uncomfortable with the way you are expressing yourself, that should tell you something. You know I am a tolerant person, which is why I ask and ask time and time again before taking action.

  57. surabaya johnny Says:

    I find this post and the pitter-patter of one WJK to be a wonderful example of self-exemplifation. The post begins with a topic that is not entirely complimentary of Koreans and their forensic “procilivities.” Of course, since the comments are not wrapped with the thoroughly non-aesthetically pleasing Korean flag they must be contested. In rushes our hero to the defense of his tribe. He commences with an ad hominem in effect accusing Matt of being a “paper Eichmann,” procedes to some racial considerations, while, of course, totally ignoring the issue at hand.

    Next he manages to bring up Unit 731 and Korean Taiwan connection. And let’s not forget the obligatory feint toward impugning the morals of Jap women. Some give and take with Ponta continues and after Ponta out-argues and out-logics him he counters with name-calling and general pussified snittiness. What an embarrassing peninsular aborigine!

    PS: Could someone please comment on this article where it seems that President Roh refers to American GIs as “niggers” (“미국 껌디 껌디 뒤에 매달려서 형님 형님 . . .)

    http://www.independent.co.kr/gomzip01/board.php?cate=issue&mode=view&id=indeold&no=115474

  58. thor56 Says:

    I had similar experiences on Japan Today.
    Koreans always “disappeared” in the middle of discussion.
    Then they secretly posted replies in 3 to 6 months later.
    The posts were usually like “No comment anymore? I won!”

  59. GarlicBreath Says:

    Brilliant points surabaya johnny. At some point you can count on people like WJK or JK or BFK to bring up hitler or the holocost deniers and assocate them with anybody who doen’t worship Korea.

    If you are not entirely complimentary of Koreans or Korea then you must be a racist hitler loving korea hater.

    Just look at guys who scream racism at anybody who doesn’t grovel about Korea.