Something has to be done to stop this horrible historical distortion. Now claims coming out of Korea say that the ancient kingdom of Shilla (a predecessor state to Korea) controlled Okinawa from 513 AD to the 12th century, for a period of 670 years. The quote is below.

신라시대 우산국(지금의 울릉도) 주민 1천여명이 서기 513-514년께 일본 남단 오키나와 섬에 정착, 12세기 말까지 25대에 걸쳐 왕위를 유지했다는 주장이 제기됐다.

This is being quite widely reported. Here, and here, for example. A google search of 오키나와는 신라 reveals a lot of articles and discussion about it.

Of course, Dokdo is involved in this, with the “Origins of Dokdo Sovereignty Research” thesis claiming that it had found evidence that Okinawa had been established by Korean emigrants from Ulleungdo.

지난해 `독도 영토권원 연구’ 논문으로 성균관대 박사 학위를 받은 선우영준 수도권대기환경청장은 일본 고문헌 조사와 3차례에 걸친 오키나와 현지 답사를 통해 오키나와의 전신인 류구국(琉球國)이 고대 울릉도 주민들의 이주로 세워진 나라라는 사실을 뒷받침하는 증거를 찾았다고 21일 밝혔다.

I hope that Koreans are going to reject this. Then again if they can believe Dokdo/Takeshima is historically a part of Korea without even a single map or document for evidence, then there is no reason why they should not accept this claim either.

Posted by Matt, filed under diplomacy, finger chopping wacky, Racist Industrial Complex. Date: February 25, 2007, 12:44 am | 34 Comments »

34 Responses

  1. MarkA Says:

    The US controlled Okinawa most recently, so using Corean logic, Okinawa should be ours. :roll:

  2. tomato Says:

    The Okinawans look nothing like the Koreans, by the way. They look more like the Pacific Islanders. And the language is definitely Japonic.

  3. jion999 Says:

    Korea will rewrite its history textbook to show that Dangun Dynasty existed 5000 years ago, not myth.
    But this Korean jyornalist admits that there is no historical remains of Dangun at all, and Dangun has been used by Korean nationalists to fabricate a national symbol for long years.
    http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/02/25/20070225000006.html
    There is a fabricated tomb of Dangun in North Korea.
    South Korean is becoming similar like north compatriot.

  4. Calagatha Says:

    Now this a news that leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

    Hopefully this won’t become a full fledged belief, since Okinawa actually is populated with citizens of non Korean descent who have a long history of residing in that island.
    If anything, in a ideal world Okinawa would belong to Okinawa not China, Japan,or the U.S.A. & the least of all Korea.
    (How does Korea compute into this equation anyway?)

    There actually is a sizeable Korean community in Okinawa.
    Though I believe that the majority of Koreans in Okinawa were imported through the U.S. miltary as G.I.s, As most of the Koreans appeared to be American.

    It’s a moot point though, as Tomato said Koreans look nothing like Okinawans.
    (Okinawans tend to look more Caucasian due to their Pacific Islander/Osakan aesthetics rather than Asian when compared to the rest of their Eastern neighbors.)

  5. surabaya johnny Says:

    Korean historians, anthropologists, etc. really seem to me to utter cranks in the league of von Daaniken (“Chariots of the Gods”) and Velikovsky (“Worlds in Collision”). It seems that majority the majority of them could characterized in such a manner.

    The people who are the real hypocrites, however, are the foreign Koreanists. In order to stay in the pipeline of Fulbright and all the other grants, they rarely call the Koreans to task. Internet locations like this one often engage in more honest scholarship than do the fifth columnists who people Western universities. Rant out.

  6. Paul89 Says:

    good job on finding this matt, ofcourse okinawa doesnt belong to korea. However, okinawa is another example of japanese imperialism. If it werent for the good will of the americans okinawa would be independant. (yes i know okinawa is dependant on japan economically today)

    What I find funny of you guys is that you make korean rants on the internet into serious imperialistic threats, however who was the true aggressor in the past? japan. not korea.

  7. Paul89 Says:

    btw are you just on a sideline here, are you people here also denying that the japanese imperial family and several members of japanese royality included many members of the korean court as well as chinese?

  8. Mika Says:

    What I find funny of you guys is that you make korean rants on the internet into serious imperialistic threats, however who was the true aggressor in the past? japan. not korea.

    What are you talking about? Korea is the one that keep accusing Japan, China and other countries of distorting history. Yet they conveniently re-write their version of history when they decides to change it. Koreans have an arrogance about the inviolate “rightness” of their understanding of history that is quite abrasive.

  9. GarlicBreath Says:

    Paul89 said:
    btw are you just on a sideline here, are you people here also denying that the japanese imperial family and several members of japanese royality included many members of the korean court as well as chinese?

    Old news.

  10. Paul89 Says:

    the general world view is that japan is the one which has the destorted view of history. Especially recent history.

    that stuff about okinawa is just bs, i never heard of it before. the stuff on manchuria, i mean, why not, koguryo extended to that area, and no koreans are making any land claims.

    dokto, it belongs to korea, if historically righteously or not, korea deserves it. for 35 years of colonialism under japan lets look at it as a little compensation, ok.

  11. nighthawk Says:

    Paul89 said: What I find funny of you guys is that you make korean rants on the internet into serious imperialistic threats, however who was the true aggressor in the past? japan. not korea.

    I don’t think people here are making korean rants into serious imperialistic threats. I, for one, consider that they are rather threats to Koreans’ collective mental health. The Korean megalomania regarding the ancient past (as seen in this Okinawa case) and the pathetic inferiority complex regarding the recent past are the two sides of the same coin. Such pathological state of mind produces a kind of person who would ask himself, “who was the bad guy?” and answers “you, not me!” Historically, Koreans have been aggressors, too, in more than a few occasions. They seem to perfer to be seen as eternal victims in modern history, but that’s not the case.

  12. wiesunja Says:

    KOREAN LOGIC 101 – The Korean Brain at Work:

    Because Japan’s royal family has Korean blood in it, Okinawa is actually Korean land.

    So that means that because there is German blood in the British Royal Family (current House of Windsor), Gibralter, Canada, New Zealand, and all other commonwealth nations are German land.

    Oh, and also…Germany would also claim to be the ancestors of all Americans because they were a former colony of the UK.

    If a German nationalist who is crazy enough to actually believe the logic above exists somewhere in the world, he would find himself alone and the object of ridicule and laughter amongst most normal civilized people in the world.

    But in Korea..he would find many friends and supporters. LOL. Korea is probably the only place in the world where the craziest and most idiotic theories held by people are actually thought of as credible. That speaks volumes about the Korean IQ!

  13. GetALife Says:

    you guys have got to check this out. trust me.

    http://aog.2y.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1558

  14. Phil2Musashi Says:

    “Paul89 said:

    dokto, it belongs to korea, if historically righteously or not, korea deserves it. for 35 years of colonialism under japan lets look at it as a little compensation, ok.”

    Hi there Paul89. No one doubts the horrible things that Japan has done during its Imperial reign.

    However, Japan has taken great steps towards being self-critical of its actions throughout Asia, and has take measures to try and heal the wounds it has afflicted. I would like to challenge the Korean government, media, and academia to be more critical of its self.

    This is no easy task; for many in Korea the wounds are still fresh.

    That being the case, I believe we have to stay on the side of logic, truth, and compassion.

    If Japan were to give Takeshima/Dokdo over to Korea, it would not be seen as compensation.

    There is no such thing as compensation.

    The best anyone can do is try and stop the same kind of crap from happening again.

    In Korea, it is socially acceptable to hate Japan, and even to hate Japanese people. This is extremely sad. Under these circumstances Japan can not do anything right under the eyes of many Koreans; and there is nothing Japan can do to give these Koreans what they feel they deserve.

    Here in Vancouver I have met so many Koreans who have come here, or been sent here by their family, to escape the political situation in Korea: They want their children to grow up in a world where hate is not institutionalized and accepted.

    Koreans are very intelligent and caring people. But politicians and the media use sensationalism to sell their ideas and products, and distract the people from looking within themselves and within their own country for the answers to their problems.

  15. stumpjumper Says:

    Wow, this is simply amazing, but I am starting to see the big picture here. Now I know why Korean scholars are so messed up.

    It is just because publishing something anti-Japan is the easiest way to make money!

    Anti-Japan = easy money = Dan!

    I have no idea where the author is trying to go from here. Is it Okinawa people are descendants of Korean people so that Korea wants Okinawa back? or is it another occasion of Japanese people violated Korean people so that more reasons hate Japan?

    I have no idea…

  16. randomcow Says:

    Paul89 – if “89″ is the year you were born then I suggest you go away for a few years until you grow up and learn to put together an argument without looking stupid.

    RC

  17. Errol Says:

    stumpjumper said:

    or is it another occasion of Japanese people violated Korean people so that more reasons hate Japan?

    I have no idea…

    Posted on 25-Feb-07 at 7:36 pm

    Idea? Logic is not required when it’s the little gochu doing the thinkin’ and putting down little roots all over the Pacific Ocean.

    Noh Mu-hyeon as impotent as ever.

  18. myCoree Says:

    Matt.
    The title “Now Okinawa belongs to Korea” is very twisted. Do you like dancing twist? Have you ever heard the song “Ullenungdo Twist”?

  19. Matt Says:

    Matt.
    The title “Now Okinawa belongs to Korea” is very twisted. Do you like dancing twist? Have you ever heard the song “Ullenungdo Twist”?

    What do you mean twisted? I will listen to the song when I get home.

  20. jion999 Says:

    Matt.
    The horrible historical distortion of Korean will never stop. The fabricated story will be becoming bigger and bigger like a balloon…….. until its burst.
    In wikipedia, Korean insists that Yamato dynasty of Japan was “an extension/colony of Baekje’s expansion efforts.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baekje

  21. jion999 Says:

    Even the history textbook of Korean highschool says,
    “During three kingdoms period, Korean immigrated to Japanese islands, delivered high technology and civilized culture, founded Yamato Dynasty, and contributed to the forming of Japanese ancient Asuka culture.”
    (三国時代にわが国の流移民が日本列島に渡って、先進技術と文化を伝え、大和政権を誕生させ、日本古代の飛鳥文化を成立させるのに貢献した。)
    http://members.tripod.com/textbook_korea/3_4.html
    “founded Yamato Dynasty”???
    It shows typical superior/inferior complex of Korean because of its miserable modern history.

  22. Matt Says:

    Even the history textbook of Korean highschool says,
    “During three kingdoms period, Korean immigrated to Japanese islands, delivered high technology and civilized culture, founded Yamato Dynasty, and contributed to the forming of Japanese ancient Asuka culture.”
    (三国時代にわが国の流移民が日本列島に渡って、先進技術と文化を伝え、大和政権を誕生させ、日本古代の飛鳥文化を成立させるのに貢献した。)
    http://members.tripod.com/textbook_korea/3_4.html
    “founded Yamato Dynasty”???

    Haha I thought that the Yamato people founded the Yamato civilization, not the Koreans. In fact, how could Koreans found Yamato when “Koreans” did not even exist at the time?

  23. stumpjumper Says:

    a supplement to jion99′s comment:
    http://www.jref.com/culture/yamato_period_era.shtml

  24. Matt Says:

    a supplement to jion99’s comment:
    http://www.jref.com/culture/yamato_period_era.shtml

    From stumpjumper’s link -

    Much like the claim that people from the legendary Atlantis taught the Roman Empire secrets of building an empire, it persists as a cult belief in South Korea.

    Funny indeed.

  25. HanComplex Says:

    Haha this is just hilarious. I wonder what kind of ridiculous claim Koreans will think of next. Are they really this insecure? Well, at least they don’t fail to amuse.

    What I’d really love to hear are the opinions of kteen, wjk, claire, and other Korean flag-wavers here. So what do you think of this “claim?” Hmm? It’d be terribly disappointing if you don’t try to defend it like other Korean claims.

  26. Paul89 Says:

    Im not defending korean ultra nationalism nor korean hate for japan here. i like japanese culture and most of my friends do. It is true that many koreans feel a certain urge to hate japanese due to the past which is bad.

    i am all for a better relationship between japan and korea. there are people on both sides which are damaging that relationship. I hate people who deny the past, like many people on this forum. people who are discussing dokto, i have no grudge against them. people who argue on japanese colonialism being good, like matt, i dispise them.

    I also dont like people generalising and saying”koreans this, korean that” you know even a homogenous people like the koreans act differently and have different opinions. stop putting us all into the same bunch.

    in korea, on liberation day a korean shopkeeper didnt wanto sell me merchandice because he thought i was japanese, this hurt my feelings not because he thought i was japanese but because i saw this prejudice and anger towards japanese people in our society. i dont deny this is a problem. but there are undoubtedly reason for this anger, japan has teach its people the true history of its past.

  27. pacifist Says:

    Paul89,

    I hate people who deny the past,

    You are misunderstanding. We are correcting the distorted information you may have learned in Korean education system. Paul89, it is US who hate people who deny the past.

    I don’t deny the wars and colonization Japan did in the past, I just tell you that you should look at the facts behind them.

    i saw this prejudice and anger towards japanese people in our society.

    This anger has been created by Korean government, educating wrong information to make people hate Japan (as you may notice by now).

    Wise Korean people should notice the inconsistency and unreasonableness of this problem and correct them yourselves.

  28. umetaro Says:

    The Okinawans look nothing like the Koreans, by the way. They look more like the Pacific Islanders.

    It’s a moot point though, as Tomato said Koreans look nothing like Okinawans.
    (Okinawans tend to look more Caucasian due to their Pacific Islander/Osakan aesthetics rather than Asian when compared to the rest of their Eastern neighbors.)

    What deep, dark recess of your ass did you folks pull those ideas from?

    Have you ever seen an Okinawan?

  29. Katz Says:

    There’s no need to blow things out of proportion and pay attention to that plastic surgery president, right, Mutt? But it’s funny you tend to stand against Korea in everything related to Korea. I believe there are more problems in your own country for you to worry about than in a country not your own.

  30. GarlicBreath Says:

    Katshts, why are you so thin skinned about korea?

  31. Katz Says:

    No offense, I reacted as I should, Shtbreath, Thanks.

  32. General Tiger Says:

    Jeez, all sides are stupid….

    This article states that some of the people of Usanguk, before it was over by Shilla, went to Okinawa. In other words, there’s no actual claim of “Koreans” owning Okinawa in the first place.

    Read before getting all heated up.

  33. koreakp Says:

    Study Korean and Japanese history.
    1) Japanese Emperor does trace his family lineage to Korean kingdom Baekje. He does have Korean blood.
    2) Yayoi and Jomon Period: Both Koreans.
    3) Rice culture: Came from Korean Peninsula.
    4) Chinese characters: Korean monk introduced to Japan.
    5) Grammar: Korean and Japanese are related.
    6) Genetics: Koreans and Japanese by blood related.
    7) Foods: Korea and Japan very similiar ( Side dish plus main dish) Unlike Chinese foods.
    8) Koreans have lived in Japan for centuries.
    9) Koreans or Korean peninsula didn’t exist modern day Japanese or Japan would not exist today.
    10) Yes, Tsushima, Kansai ( Region), Kyushu, Shikoku ( Traditionally closer to Koreans and Korean influences have been tremendous).

    Korea and Okinawa ( Issues)

    1) Okinawans look more Malay ( Southeast Asian) mix with Chinese.
    2) Koreans have trade with Okinawa for centuries.
    3) Korea ( Shilla Dynasty) controlled Tsushima Island maybe Okinawa Korean traded.
    4) Korean political and economical viewpoint ( Tsushima belonged to Korea) whereas Okinawa belonged to China not Japan.
    5) Tsushima Island is alot closer to Korea rather than Okinawa.
    6) Okinawans by blood not related to Koreans unlike mainland Japanese.
    7) Koreans never had interest to okinawa unlike Tsushima Island.
    8) Korean-Okinawan Japanese interracial marriage is probably largest among Japanese American population.
    9) Koreans would rather fight for Tsushima Island rather than Okinawa ( Koreans have historical proof).
    10) Koreans don’t like subtropical climate. Great place to have fun or to visit. Not to live so China or Japan could have okinawa.

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