The Marmot found this story describing how Korean netizens managed to convince google earth into changing the ‘Sea of Japan’ to the ‘East Sea’.

sea of japan
Google Earth has placed the Sea of Japan, used by 99% of the people on the planet to describe that sea, in brackets. What on earth are they thinking?

Out of 193 countries in the world, only Korea (South and North) describes the body of water separated from the Pacific Ocean by Japan as the ‘East Sea’. All the other countries rightly call it the ‘Sea of Japan’.

Not only is the ‘Sea of Japan’ a well established name, it also adheres to basic naming conventions because if Japanese archipelago were non existent, there would be no sea to speak of, only the Pacific Ocean. Going further, the ‘Sea of Japan’ is the official name and is accepted such by the UN and the International Hydrographic Organization. Lets look at this in point form.

1. The Sea of Japan is the official name recognised by the UN.

2. The Sea of Japan is the name it is known as by pretty much all English speakers.

3. Calling that sea the ‘East Sea’ does not make sense as the ‘East Sea’ is not the English name for that seas, but rather a translation from the Korean name.

4. The ‘East Sea’ gives no hint of the seas geographical location, but calling it the ‘Sea of Japan’ makes it instantly recognizable to everyone.

5. Without Japan, there would be no sea. Calling it the ‘East Sea’ makes no sense considering it is a mariginal sea.

7. A study of 1,435 maps published between 1300 and 1900 at the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration by the Geographical Survey Institute of Japan revealed that 1,110 out of 1,435 maps use ‘Sea of Japan’.

8. Virtually no one outside Korea knows where the ‘East Sea’ is. The majority of publications on the internet or in print refer to it as the ‘Sea of Japan.

9. There are four countries that border the Sea of Japan and the two (Japan and Russia) that call it Sea of Japan have a greater coastline and population along the sea than the two countries (South and North Korea) that call it East Sea (East Sea of Korea). To Russia, the Sea of Japan is south and to Japan it is to the west. That being considered, why should Korea claim any special rights to the naming of that sea? This ‘East Sea’ is east of Korea only, and shows partisan Korean ethnocentrism.

10. The UN made a decision in 2004 regarding the international use of the ‘Sea of Japan’. As far as the international community is concerned, the body of water is officially reconfirmed as the ‘Sea of Japan’. For UN documents, only the ‘Sea of Japan’ is used – ‘East Sea’ is not even in brackets.

There is absolutely no reason for people in the west to have to consider narrow Korean reasoning when deciding what to call places, things or anything else in English. No one is telling Koreans that they cant use the ‘East Sea’ to describe the ‘Sea of Japan’ if they want to, but I say hands off the English language!

Lets hope that google earth comes to its senses.

Posted by Matt, filed under diplomacy, Racist Industrial Complex. Date: August 19, 2005, 8:55 pm | 88 Comments »

88 Responses

  1. michael Says:

    Trying to call the entire marginal sea The Sea of Japan is quite unfair.
    About half belongs to Korea, and the other half belongs to Japan.
    However though, I think there is nothing wrong with calling that marginal sea East Sea.
    It’s located on the east side to the entire Asia; that is of course, excluding Japan and many other islands.
    Don’t just think it’s east to Korea.
    It’s east to Asia as well.

  2. 한장관 Says:

    Google did that just to PISS YOU OFF!
    What gets me is Japanese Encephalitis. Who’d they blow to get that one named after ‘em?

  3. Lyrt Says:

    VANK’s members are sad, lonely guys.

  4. cha Says:

    Vanks members are terrorists.
    They are sending spam mail and virus and propaganda writing
    all over the world.
    They often attack Japanese homepages in irrigal.

    Why don’t other contries say such as;
    “The India Sea is quite unfair! Our country belongs to The India Sea too!” ?
    If Japan doesn’t exist, THE EAST SEA will be called “The Pacific Ocean” .

    All that Koreans are saying is nonsense,indeed.

    Sorry, I con’t write in English well.
    orz

  5. Mika Says:

    Don’t just think it’s east to Korea. It’s east to Asia as well.

    Except Korea, which Asian country has been calling that sea ‘East Sea’? “Sea of Japan” has been recognized internationally for a long time. And the United Nations is using “Sea of Japan” as a formal name of the sea. Why the world should be forced to accept Korea’s ultra-nationalistic demand? It’s as silly as demanding the Gulf of Mexico be renamed the Gulf of the United States or the Gulf of the Confederacy.

  6. ponta Says:

    .

    Vanks members are terrorists.
    They are sending spam mail and virus and propaganda writing
    all over the world

    What is VANK? Are they Korean?

  7. Mithridates aka 데이빛 Says:

    #4 is the best point.

  8. tk Says:

    To ponta

    about VANK

    http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/jphoto/read.php?id=enjoyjapan_13&nid=52065&work=list&st=&sw=&cp=1

  9. RGM-79 Says:

    Don’t just think it’s east to Korea.
    It’s east to Asia as well.

    You have so-called Koreacentrism mentality.
    The sea is
    West to Japan.
    North to South Asia.
    South to Russia.

  10. Sacchi Says:

    I (Japanese middle age man) regret that Korean young people are enjoyning a such stupid game. They are applying domestic rules to international situation. Perhaps, Japanese is only one nation in the world which shows some interest and respect to Korean history and cultures. Are Korean aiming to retreat a recent peaceful 40 years?

  11. cha Says:

    To Ponta.
    Vank(Terrorists’ headquarters)is here.

    They call themselves as “cyber civilian diplomacy mission”and go on various cyber terrorism.

    They used to send lot of spam mail to National Geographic,Graphic maps,and Lycos to change Sea Of Japan’s name into The East Sea.

    Therefore,Korean Government awarded Vank President Recognition.
    This is outrageous.
    Is South Korean Government terrosist support state?
    Of course, some Japanese often do the same thing.
    but Are they awarded?

  12. markymark Says:

    Vank just seems like they wanna get rid of the name “Japan” on maps emotionally like burning flags and such, where geography and history needs to be analyzed with academic analysis….
    The name has been used for a long time and I just dont understand why they had to change it NOW.
    Why now? Why is the name from a Korean perspective?

    It just doesnt make sense :(

  13. ponta Says:

    Thanks Cha,
    I didn’t know Korean government supports cyber-terrorists.

  14. Wedge Says:

    Actually, I’m about to embark on a campaign to get the Gulf of Mexico renamed as the Gulf of Louisiana. It’s about time we stopped giving them Mekkies all the credit for that body of water.

    To the Japanese readers: What does Japan call the Sea of Japan? If I remember my lessons correctly, it’s something like the North Coast Sea. Obviously, it only makes sense for Japan to call it that and such a name wouldn’t be suitable for global consumption, JUST LIKE EAST SEA isn’t suitable as a global moniker.

  15. Sacchi Says:

    To Wedge: We, Japanese, call the sea “Japan Sea”. I do not remember the name of “North Coast Sea” (It may be very regional name at North Coast). In old days, we sometimes called Pacific Sea “East Sea”. In recent years, Pacific Sea is more popular. In addition, we accept names of Yellow Sea and East China Sea on the earth.

  16. Sacchi Says:

    To Wedge: Perhaps, the name you remember is a name of a North island in Japan. It is 1 of 4 islands with a name of “Hokkaido” (North Sea State).

  17. Mika Says:

    To the Japanese readers: What does Japan call the Sea of Japan? If I remember my lessons correctly, it’s something like the North Coast Sea. Obviously, it only makes sense for Japan to call it that and such a name wouldn’t be suitable for global consumption, JUST LIKE EAST SEA isn’t suitable as a global moniker.

    Huh? I’ve never heard a name like ‘the North Coast Sea’. Japan call that sea “日本海”,it is a Japanese translation of the English name. Please refer to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan Website. http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/maritime/japan/index.html

  18. Nakashima Says:

    The Japanese are also getting their panties into a bunch over this.
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200508/200508210001.html

    There were too many bumps in these last 40 years to call them “peaceful.”

  19. Mika Says:

    Unlike Vank, Vippers is not supported by the government and media.

  20. shingles Says:

    The koreans always point out when some publication uses “east sea’ then the japanese get the publicaion to change it back and the koreans never report this.

  21. dead Says:

    too bad there is no vocal “Sea of Japan” crowd out there to convince Google to change it back…

  22. cha Says:

    Publication?—No, it’s cyber terrorism.
    Japanese homepages have been attacked in many times since Vank is established(even my favorite homepage!).
    But brainless Korean journalists write that Vank’s action
    is”Cyber demonstraiton”.
    But when some Japanese did the same thing,
    they wrote “cyber terrorism.”
    Please don’t make me laugh.

    News article when Japanese site was attacked by Koreans(Japanese)

  23. ponta Says:

    To nakashima,
    I don’t intend to defend what so called vippers are doing:they are wrong in attacking the site.
    But what does that have to with Japan’s peace?
    It is obvious that Japan has been at peace since ww2 while Korea, shortly after the liberation from Japan, has been at war.
    Moreover,the Japanese government does not support terrorists while the Korean government helps terrorists both in the cyber-space and in the neighbor country.
    If so called vippers are attacking the VANK, they are childish and should stop it but it does not mean Japan as a nation has bumps, but the government helping terrorists causes more than ‘bumps’ among countries.

  24. Malaclypse Says:

    A little googling around shows that they’re up to the same tricks in IRC land as well, with spam bots… Cached in Google

    01:12 that’s really exciting, when we’re in the same place we must go for bowls of ramen.
    01:14 there was this amazing hole in the wall ramen place in Osaka… and another in Kyoto. haven’t found a good ramen place in Tokyo yet.
    01:14 Yummy. Now I have to go and make some…
    01:15 >> #worldwind JOIN korean ([email protected])
    01:15 me too. but, cold soba for me!
    01:15 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:15 dokdo is ours
    01:16 sea of japan is wrong
    01:16 huh?

    ..

    01:15 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:15 dokdo is ours
    01:16 sea of japan is wrong
    01:16 huh?
    01:16 border dispute?
    01:17 but east sea is real
    01:17 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:17 don’t repeat

    01:19 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:19 ok, someone wanna kick the spammer?
    01:19 >> Mode #worldwind “+o Nowak” by ChanServ
    01:19 >> SignOff: korean (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind]
    01:19 Ha! Got there before you!
    01:19 ;)
    01:19 lol
    01:20 ok, lets mark all of Korea as owned by Taiwan now

  25. Matt Says:

    A little googling around shows that they’re up to the same tricks in IRC land as well, with spam bots… Cached in Google

    01:12 that’s really exciting, when we’re in the same place we must go for bowls of ramen.
    01:14 there was this amazing hole in the wall ramen place in Osaka… and another in Kyoto. haven’t found a good ramen place in Tokyo yet.
    01:14 Yummy. Now I have to go and make some…
    01:15 >> #worldwind JOIN korean ([email protected])
    01:15 me too. but, cold soba for me!
    01:15 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:15 dokdo is ours
    01:16 sea of japan is wrong
    01:16 huh?

    ..

    01:15 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:15 dokdo is ours
    01:16 sea of japan is wrong
    01:16 huh?
    01:16 border dispute?
    01:17 but east sea is real
    01:17 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:17 don’t repeat

    01:19 The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan
    01:19 ok, someone wanna kick the spammer?
    01:19 >> Mode #worldwind “+o Nowak” by ChanServ
    01:19 >> SignOff: korean (Remote closed the connection) [#worldwind]
    01:19 Ha! Got there before you!
    01:19 ;)
    01:19 lol
    01:20 ok, lets mark all of Korea as owned by Taiwan now

    Hahaha, thats funny stuff.

  26. june Says:

    The activity of a South Korea cyber diplomatic corps “VANK” is malignant.
    Only the domain name of Sea of Japan is acquired and the activity of Japan is obstructed.

    http://www.seaofjapan.com/
    http://www.japansea.net/
    http://www.seaofjapan.biz/
    http://www.prkorea.com/

    “VANK” is insisted on that Sea of Japan is the legacy of Japanese imperialism of the 20th century. However, the insistence on this “VANK” is a malignant advertisement based on false.
    Sea of Japan was already established internationally in the 19th century before Japan opened the country to the world.
    The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the result investigating the old map of Europe and America of the 19th century recently.
    The maps where written Sea of Japan were large majority, but written East Sea were extremely few.
    http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/maritime/japan/index.html

    And, China calls East China Sea East Sea, and Vietnam also is calling the South China Sea East Sea. Three seas of a similar name are connected and appear in the Far East. East Sea is not proper for an international name.
    Therefore, a Chinese government also is supporting the Sea of Japan single term.

    And, South Korea calls East China Sea South Sea, and is calling Yellow Sea West Sea. However, they are not insisted on to change the term. Changing the term is obstinately demanded only from Sea of Japan.
    I cannot help doubting that the movement of this South Korea is a movement based on a political intention to Japan . I guess that the political intention of South Korea is maiking advantageous position on the Liancourt Rocks owning right problem between Japan.

  27. june Says:

    P.S.

    What is the true reason obstinately demanded that South Korea must change the Sea of Japan to East Sea?
    I guess that the purpose of it is for South Korea to make an advantageous position of the Liancourt Rocks(Takeshima island  竹島) owning right problem between Japan. The reason is that the following two sites that “VANK” made are quite the same content.
    What does Mr. who doesn’t see think of this?

    http://www.seaofjapan.com/
    http://www.takeshima.com/

  28. june Says:

    P.S.

    A cyber diplomatic corps “VANK” of South Korea is a private cyber terror organization of 10,000 members or more. “VANK” has received the support of the South Korea government and South Korea Telecom.
    And, the commendation has been received from President of South Korea. When “VANK” discovers the matter considered that they are disadvantageous for South Korea in the Web site in the world etc. , they send systematically a large amount of spam mail. Sending is not stopped until the other party responds to the correction the have one’s patience exhausted of sending of a large amount of spam mail.

    This is cyber terrorism.
    “VANK” is recognized a malignant organization that sends a large amount of spam mail in the Netherlands.
    Surrender to a large amount of spam mail from “VANK”, and complying to their requests are the same as surrender to terrorism and complying to the terrorist’s request. The South Korea government that supports “VANK” is the same as the state sponsor of terrorism.
    May a worldwide Dottocom enterprise surrender to the cyber terrorist’s attack one after another?

  29. kage Says:

    As for my feeling irritating, Korea insists on an irresponsible lie in the whole world without an end.

    The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced the result investigating the old map of Europe and America of the 19th century recently.
    The maps where written Sea of Japan were large majority, but written East Sea were extremely few.
    http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/maritime/japan/index.html

    In this way the Japanese government used a tax to uncover a Korean lie. The Japanese government wants to demand investigation expense from the Korea government.

  30. moo Says:

    > june

    If you know what makes Korea (and China) tick, you consult Confucianism and Korea’s nationalism “Sinocentrism”. Plainly speaking, Korea thinks that Japan must be an obedient little brother and be inferior to Korea.

  31. Katz Says:

    Do you notice that your comments ends to nothing? That’s because it should be called East Sea anyway.

  32. Two Cents Says:

    You know, all of the efforts on both sides may be wasted for nothing. First, most reliable organizations have apparently decided to keep the name Sea of Japan. Koreans can spam some organizations into calling the sea East Sea, but when you stop to consider who the names will be actually used by internationally, the East Sea is not an appropriate name since it does not make the body of water instantly identifiable. (The North Sea does, only because Britain has historically been a very influential maritime country, and no professional mariner would be unable to recognize it. Remember why the world uses GMT? ) Even if some organizations were to use the East Sea, they would most likely have to keep using the Sea of Japan maybe in parentheses in documents intended for the international audience, in order to make sure that nobody is confusing it with China’s East Sea. Koreans can wail and spam the world out of some identity insecurity and cause confusion, but in the end, I think the world will ditch names that do not work. Maybe I’m wrong, and Korea will persist and the world out of political correctness awareness will support Korea. However, my bet is, Koreans are going to have something more important to think about in the near future than what the world chooses to call the body of water adjacent to it.

    It’s funny that nobody is making a fuss with nomenclatures such as the Strait of Korea (it’s the Strait of Tsushima in Japan), the East China Sea, South China Sea, the Gulf of Mexico, the Indian Ocean, the Mozanbique Channel, and the Gulf of Guinea, to name a few. The French choose to call the English Channel the La Manche, but they are not going to spam the world in order to change their name. Why? Probably because they are secure with themselves and know that names do not have anything to do with ownership, and are intelligent enough to understand that pissing off a neighbor over a historically established name will only work against them in the long run.

  33. nemo Says:

    I think google was just ignorant.
    If they find out the U.N. decision and “true historical fact”, they will rename back to Sea of Japan.

  34. zabaione Says:

    I definitely think VANK’s activities like changing the name of the sea of Japan are based on an inferiority complex with Japan.
    As Mr Matt Rosenberg wrote, he’d got about 20 emails about the CIA map on his website in a day.
    http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa022402a.htm
    Because of such rediculous actions, VANK is appointed as a spam mail organization in Holland.

    I feel almost all VANK’s assertions, recognition of history and methods for claims are totally wrong. Also, Japan’s investigation of the issue of the sea of Japan disproved Korea’s assertion.
    http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/maritime/japan/index.html
    VANK and every Korean who protest against Japan should admit their irrationalities.

  35. ponta Says:

    An interesting discussion is going on in the blog below.
    I think it is related to this topic.
    The blogger says this kind of Korean reaction might be a process of healing. I like the way she see it.

    http://asiapages.typepad.com/the_asia_pages/2005/08/_a_vocabulary_s.html

  36. Katz Says:

    “I think it is related to this topic.”

    I think is not. Why are you using this?

  37. Mithridates aka 데이빛 Says:

    Care to make a few corrections here?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VANK

  38. ponta Says:

    To Katz
    I think they are related in that in both cases, somehow Koreans want to replace and exclude the internationally accpeted way and want to assert itself by using something which they think uniquely belong to
    Korea.

    In a country where people had been subodinate to China until colonized by Japan and were given liberation by the US, people are deeply hurt, but at last people are gaining some confidence and some people are beginning to desire to feel themselves, to prove themselves by excluding foreign things which they think are imposed to them. .

    ,.
    .

  39. lion Says:

    VANK site :
    http://www.prkorea.com/estart.html

    Have a nice day!!! ^&^

  40. BenJaMin Says:

    …ㅡ,.ㅡ; 정말 이상한 지도이다..!!!

    동해가 왜 sea of japen!~?

    sea of japen….. I don’t think so~!

    oh my god……

  41. BenJaMin-do-wan Says:

    일본넘들 정말 너무하다…

  42. larken Says:

    common saying in Gorea: “Lie 100 times until it becomes true.”

  43. Kubeen Says:

    난 자랑스러운 한국인이다

    이런 말도 안되는 글들을보기에 글을쓰고간다.

    First of all, the sea was called East Sea from long~ long time ago.

    It’s historically and geographically proven fact. But this non-sence and

    greedy Japaneses are trying to change it to Sea of Japan. VANK

    organization is made to correct misconceived historical or cultural facts.

    Unfortunate for them, google Earth realized the truth.

    I hope those Japaneses get SMARTER and stop those non-sense

  44. Mika Says:

    To Kubeen; The name of Sea of Japan was already used in the 19th century around the world. East Sea? Except Korea, which country calls this sea ‘East Sea’? You are a typical Korean who have a ‘frog in the well’ mentality that shows a narrow-minded and parochial outlook on the rest of the world.

    BTW, according to ANN, Google has stated that they will change it back.

  45. Kubeen Says:

    To Mika

    Do you know why the relationship between Republic of Korea and Japan is getting worse? It is all because of the fact that Japan has been fabricated the true history between Korea and Japan. Not only has japan fabricated the true history of Korea but Chinese history too.

  46. Katz Says:

    I wrote in another forum and will write here too. There were more maps as Korean Sea in 18th century. But more maps were produced in 19th century and Japan was being worldly recognized at that time that’s why they called it Sea of Japan. Cappicci?

  47. Kubeen Says:

    Too bad you guys can’t not convince google to change it back.

    쪽바리 새끼들

  48. Matt Says:

    쪽바리 새끼들

    Kubeen, dont use racially derogatory words. How would you feel if people were using words like that to Koreans?

  49. Kubeen Says:

    There are no reason for people to call Koreans that however we have a lot of reasons to call them that

  50. Matt Says:

    There are no reason for people to call Koreans that however we have a lot of reasons to call them that

    It doesnt matter whether you think you are justified or not. Cut out the abusive language.

  51. Chon Says:

    Kubeen, dont use racially derogatory words. How would you feel if people were using words like that to Koreans?

    Dont worry, Matt, I will do it for you.

  52. Chon Says:

    Kubeen, dont use racially derogatory words. How would you feel if people were using words like that to Koreans?

    お前らチョンコ達死ね。。。うざいチョンコ。

    Koreans seems to love to dish it out, but cant take their own medicine.

  53. Chon Says:

    Shibal hanGOOKseki deul..

  54. Matt Says:

    Kubeen, this is the problem with abusive language. It causes others to use abusive language right back and does nothing to build international understanding. Dont you know the Korean proverb ‘가는 말이 고와야 오는 말이 곱다’? (meaning – ‘If the outgoing words are beautiful, then the incoming words will be beautiful, too’)

    Lets keep this blog one where logical arguments are made, and not one with torrents of abusive language.

  55. Mika Says:

    Koreans are just using emotion over fact, yet again. Let’s use logic, reasoning and rationality instead of emotion, primitive responses and caveman-like reactions. Take away Japan, and there is no longer a sea there anymore. It becomes the Pacific Ocean without Japan. Therefore, Japan being in existence plays the only part in the sea’s existence. Logic rules when emotions run wild.

    To Kubeen; You didn’t answer my question. Except Korea, which country is calling that sea ‘East Sea’? The rest of the world have no reason to change the Sea of Japan to the East Sea or whatever name the bothered Koreans prefer.

  56. Katz Says:

    “Therefore, Japan being in existence plays the only part in the sea’s existence.”

    Aren’t you using emotion rather than logic? Read what I wrote.

    “Except Korea, which country is calling that sea ‘East Sea’?”

    Who cared about justice at that time? But only now we are treating this matter with prudence.

  57. Kubeen Says:

    You got that right, Korea called that sea East Sea before any country called it Sea of Japan. As Katz said maps were produced in 19th century and Japan was being worldly recognized at that time.

  58. Kubeen Says:

    Chon 게 시발 놈아 더러운 쪽바리입으로 성스러운 한국말쓰지마라

  59. Mithridates aka 데이빛 Says:

    Chon and Kubeen, whoever they are, would have been tempbanned for a day were this my site. Not being able to forgo using maledictions shows that the two of you need a few more years to develop the neocortical capacity that an average person has at their disposal.

    And if you don’t understand what I just said there’s a good reason for that.

  60. Temuchin Says:

    Okay whoever Chon and Kubeen was, Mithridates did the right thing.

    The only reason the World chose Sea of Japan over East Sea (or Korean Sea, was the map shows “朝鮮海” at 18th century, on both Japanese and Korean maps) is because Japan opened it’s harbors *by force* earlier than Korea. Thus Japan is more famous than the country that they *by force* opened it’s harbors.

    I am a Korean-Canadian. Yes I write East Sea instead of Sea of Japan and flunk that question (Just like any students of Korean background). But I found it hilarious when HRW world Atlas stated “Sea of Japan (East Sea)” on South Korean atlas, when the Japanese atlas (made and provided by a same org.) only states “Sea of Japan”.

    Why can’t Korea and Japan get together and make up a name that everyone can decide on? How about Northeastern Sea? or how about Liancourt Sea, or Dokdo(Takeshima) Sea? whenver the Dokdo incident clears up?

    To Kubeen; You didn’t answer my question. Except Korea, which country is calling that sea ‘East Sea’? The rest of the world have no reason to change the Sea of Japan to the East Sea or whatever name the bothered Koreans prefer.

    I sence a lot of hatred on your post right there.
    Why can’t the world Just put East Sea(Sea of Japan) on every single map to make every customer happy?

    Fighting over a name of a sea is stupid indeed.

  61. Katz Says:

    “Why can’t the world Just put East Sea(Sea of Japan) on every single map to make every customer happy?
    Fighting over a name of a sea is stupid indeed.”

    Hey, temuchin. How stupid. I don’t know you realize that.

  62. Kubeen Says:

    Why did you guys even make this racious and abusive web site?

    This web site is going to make the relationship between Korea and

    Japan even worse

  63. Matt Says:

    Chon 게 시발 놈아 더러운 쪽바리입으로 성스러운 한국말쓰지마라

    Kubeen, I warned you about using offensive language and you still did it. You are now banned.

  64. Chon Says:

    Why did you guys even make this racious and abusive web site?

    This web site is going to make the relationship between Korea and

    Japan even worse

    Hey, Kubeen, did you ever stop to notice that you were the one who started the racist mudslinging? My reponse to you was just that…an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth. If my comments hurt, then you should know you shouldnt have started it in the first place.

    Typical Korean mentality..they cry and scream when it happens to them, but they see no problem in hurting others.

    汚いKoreanたちはどうしょうもない。

    Dont worry, Kubeen, I wouldnt speak your language even if I was tortured. Any language which sounds like someone regurgitating phlegm is not something which I would study. As a matter of fact, your nations language is just full of swear words…kind of indicative of the national character of you Koreans.

  65. Kubeen Says:

    I think Kubeen is some stupid guy who poses under alot of false multiple identies on other webboards. Very typical practice of many Koreans on ht internet…very cowardly and underhanded.

  66. Matt Says:

    Offensive posts and deleted and language edited. Keep it clean. Kubeen cant even see your answers because I have totally banned him from viewing the site, not just from making comments.

  67. Ell Says:

    Googles should not take any political standing, not if
    it is supposed to be a service company.
    Google should just follow what is currently accepted as the
    international standard. In this case, United Nations decision
    would be one, meaning it should just show “Sea of Japan”.
    Showing it as “Sea of Japan(East Sea)” will only invite other
    disputated labels and may end up with something like
    “Sea of Japan/East Sea/South Sea/Very South and Far Sea”.
    And this can invite disputing other labels other than “Sea of Japan”;
    as someone had said, would labels such as “Gulf of Mexico” and
    other names need to be “Name 1/Name 2/Name 3″ and so on?

    VANK should work on their government work on United Nations,
    not spam Googles and other geopgraphy handling sites.
    And such sites should not succumb to spamming and should do
    more research.

    If Google continues to show both “Sea of Japan” and “East Sea”,
    they better be able to make a very good argument as to why
    they are making a political stand or even creating a new name
    in a global map.

  68. just because Says:

    Well google changed it back again…

  69. Mika Says:

    Aren’t you using emotion rather than logic? Read what I wrote.

    The sea becomes the Pacific Ocean without Japan’s existence . Please explain what is emotional about stating this fact.

  70. Katz Says:

    “The sea becomes the Pacific Ocean without Japan’s existence . Please explain what is emotional about stating this fact.”

    The fact that you’re ignoring the facts and rather try to use logics in this, and i think facts are more important than logic in this matter. And even in logics we win.

  71. Matt Says:

    The fact that you’re ignoring the facts and rather try to use logics in this, and i think facts are more important than logic in this matter. And even in logics we win.

    Explain to us the facts and logic then, Katz. I am considering cracking down on you until you get IELTS 6.0.

  72. Mika Says:

    To Katz; Tell me where is a divided line between the sea and Pacific Ocean. You are saying that the sea would exist without Japan, right? Also I want to know why Koreans insist on calling it the east sea other than the fact that they want to beat Japanese. Let’s hear Korean logic.

  73. ponta Says:

    Personally I don’t care however you call it, but what would you think if Japanese began to appeal to the world like crazy Korea be called “fresh morning” because 朝means morning 鮮 means fresh, and Japan has been calling it 朝鮮=fresh morning?
    Now less than 3% of the documents in the world is written in this way, and Korea say “give up”, but young mind of Japanese now stands up to show that this nation should be called fresh morning.
    “If everyone in the world starts calling it “fresh moring” it will not be called Korean anymore but it is fresh morning as we have been calling it.Let’s correct misconceived historical or cultural facts, from Japanese aspect, on the Internet, by sending e-mails.Let’s get our pride back”
    And some of crazy Japanese start sending e-mails to Google, “Here is the documents, this nation has been called fresh morning, and this is Chinese documents. Look, they have called it fresh morning too, why don’t you change it”
    The Japanese government starts praising them and begins supporting them..
    And Google foolishly admit,”yes, you are right”,
    “But since some people still call it Korea, and people of the nation want to spell it “Corea”, we put “fresh morning” and “Corea” beside “Korea” .
    “Oh, yes, We won, We won. Justice triumphs at last, We are proud”

    Don’t you think it is silly?

  74. Katz Says:

    Let me withdraw “And even in logics we win.” to not offend anybody. Somehow I felt I shouldn’t have written this frase. But I won’t lower myself to answer such stupid questions.

  75. ponta Says:

    Thanks Katz
    Maybe you wrote to me.
    I really appreciate you. I respect your patriotism.

    You are one of the few Korean who are willing to talk with Japanese. I disagree with you on many points, but disagreements are not important, the will to talk, the will to participate in rational discussion is important when it comes to understanding differnt culture.

    I also think my question was silly,but the point is there are structural similarities between this story and what’s going on on this issue.

    I’ m interested in what you would say to this imagined young Japanese people if you were a counselor?

  76. Katz Says:

    Sorry, I didn’t bothered to read you wrote, but I was referrering to mika.

  77. Mika Says:

    But I won’t lower myself to answer such stupid questions.

    So you can’t answer anything I presented, eh? How on earth do you expect people to take you seriously when you just repeatedly use the same irrational arguments that have been disproven every time?

  78. ponta Says:

    Katz
    No problem—so far as you bother to understand the implication of what VANK is doing by the illustraion I put up.

  79. nig Says:

    I am not sure I agree with the idea of the word “East” rendering the sea’s name invalid internationally. After all Britain managed to get the name “North Sea” Internationally recognised without anybody disputing it wasn’t North of their Country.

  80. Matt Says:

    I am not sure I agree with the idea of the word “East” rendering the sea’s name invalid internationally. After all Britain managed to get the name “North Sea” Internationally recognised without anybody disputing it wasn’t North of their Country.

    Its just one of many reasons.

  81. korean Says:

    The Japanese people talk. 97% map of the world does ‘ Sea of Japan ‘ as marking it does abandon. But Korean people talk. That 3% map of the world starts ‘ East Sea’ marking does. like this well! it turns and well! 20 first time it is not caught. Only moment the hour invest. show the force of the Korean netizen quite in Japan

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