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Language exchange fury

December 9th, 2007 . by FamilyGuy

I am “FamilyGuy”, a commenter on this blog and Australian guy in Sydney. I personally know Matt and have lived with Koreans and have several close Korean friends. I am not anti-Korean in the least as anyone can see from my comments that I have posted these many months.

I regularly organise language exchange events in Sydney just to get people from different backgrounds together for things such as beach trips, BBQ’s etcetera.

The week before last I had organised a dinner. This dinner was to be at a Korean BBQ restaurant in Sydney, and was attended by Australians, Chinese, Korean, Singaporeans and Japanese.
About 16 people attended. Most of the people I had organised via a Language Exchange website. Of the guests one was a Korean girl called “Karen” that I had met on this site. She was in Australia to study English and had only been here a short time and was eager to improve her conversational English and to meet friends that were not Korean.

The dinner I had organised involved lots of different types of Korean BBQ food and drinking of Soju. That night I had spoke only briefly with Karen as she was at the opposite end of the table.

The night was a success but from that day on Karen never replied to my text messages or my phone calls.

Finally late last week, I got a message from her to say “sorry that I had not replied but my Korean boyfriend got very angry a t me and I haven’t been able to use my phone”. I replied to her asking why he had been angry, she said because she came home drunk from the dinner that I had organised and this was shameful to him. She also told me he had hit her a few times and she couldn’t come out because of a black eye. Then what she said next surprised me, she said “anyway it was my fault and I deserved that I shouldn’t have gone out and drank Soju”

I was both shocked and surprised at this attitude but have been told by other Koreans that this is commonplace and she should have known better.

Recently I have not heard from her at all but I bumped into her completely by chance on Friday and she told me she could not talk to me and walked past me. I think her boyfriend told her not to speak or contact me again or he would “get angry again”.

It reminds me of a joke I heard “What does a Korean man say to his girlfriend that has two black eyes?”

“Nothing he already told her twice”.

It just seems to me that Karen only wanted to go out and improve her English ability along with the intention of meeting new friends, but was physically punished by her Korean boyfriend for doing so. This to me is completely unreasonable but it seems to have been a normal reaction by Korean standards.


90 Responses to “Language exchange fury”

  1. comment number 1 by: GarlicBreath

    Koreans are uncivilized because of $&*%*^%!They should be wiped off” .

    Who is promoting “wiping off” the coreans? NOBODY.
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    Have people said wifebeating is uncivilized? Yes many have. I dare say, even if you ask a corean, he or she would agree that wife beating is not the mark of a civilized society. EVEN A COREAN WOULD SAY THIS TIGG.
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    In my opinion wife and woman beating is uncivilized. Do you disagree tigg, or do you think it is the mark of civilization? However, nobody is suggesting that coreans should be killed off as a people because of their culture of wifebeating. That is why I find your argumentative style dishonest tigg. You mix truth with lies.

  2. comment number 2 by: FamilyGuy

    That is why I find your argumentative style dishonest tigg. You mix truth with lies.

    Yes and he hides within in a compliment to Matt, well done Tigg..

  3. comment number 3 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    Who is promoting “wiping off” the coreans? NOBODY.

    I admit I did an overstatement.

    Have people said wifebeating is uncivilized? Yes many have. I dare say, even if you ask a corean, he or she would agree that wife beating is not the mark of a civilized society. EVEN A COREAN WOULD SAY THIS TIGG.

    Please read what I wrote earlier: https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=803#comment-31868

    That is why I find your argumentative style dishonest tigg. You mix truth with lies.

    Actually, that’s a description of you, it seems. The only untwisted truth I’ve ever seen from you was concerning the dog/cat meat in the backwaters of Daegu.

  4. comment number 4 by: GarlicBreath

    Actually, that’s a description of you, it seems. The only untwisted truth I’ve ever seen from you was concerning the dog/cat meat in the backwaters of Daegu.

    Mixing lies with truth again. Yes, I did state the truth of the barbaric doggie/kittie eating in corea. But don’t just echo back my proven comments with your unproven falsehoods. Normally I try not to respond to mudslinging but I demand that you show me me all those “truths mixed with lies”. You said all my comments but one meet that standard, so you should have no problem listing 10 or so.

    I admit I did an overstatement.

    Overstatment? Your comment was totally and completely fabricated.

    Lie:
    1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
    2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
    overstatement:
    To state in exaggerated terms

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    There was no exaggeration. It was meant to deceive and give the casual reader the impression that the people who find wife beating repulsive want to wipe out the corean culture, just because wife beatings is part of corean culture.

  5. comment number 5 by: kjeff

    FamilyGuy and Brian,

    How about the muslims?? They do treat there women shockingly…

    One word…Indonesia, 90+% muslims, has more muslims than anywhere else in the world, and ranks higher than both Japan and S.Korea in gender equality. Brian, aren’t you making the same generalization?

  6. comment number 6 by: GarlicBreath

    FamilyGuy. Here are some facts backed up by the World Economic Forum.

    They looked at 116 plus nations and a number of measurements. You can read the full pdf on gender equality here (PDF).
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    Bottom line: Islamic nations fall at the bottom of gender equality (regardless of what wannabe kyopus claim). corea is just above the islamic nations at 93rd place. In fact, Corea is one of a few nations in the bottom 25 that isnt islamic.
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    a good point of refrence is that Bangladesh women rank higer then corean women.

  7. comment number 7 by: Brian

    KJeff said:

    Brian, aren’t you making the same generalization?

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    I’m not making a generalization. I’m using Muslums, as an example, to show how a difference is social-historical and cultural background can make in differing the values of society. In many Muslum countries women have very few rights when compared to western countries. But can we condemn them for how their treat their women?
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    No. You know why? Because we cannot place the values of our culture, which are completely different, on another. We cannot ignorantly compare them apples to apples to critisize them. Muslims may FIRMLY believe that they are treating their women the “right” way and will believe that western values are “wrong.” In this way, there is no true “right” or “wrong.”
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    People keep hanging on to my words that Korea is an “modern society.” It is, but Korea comes from a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIAL-HISTORICAL BACKGROUND. It cannot be compared directly to say, Austrailia. 50 years ago, Korea was still EXTREMELY traditional, and many could even say, “backward” country. And yet NO COUNTRY has grown faster to, not only industrialize, but completely adopt “western values.” In one generation Korea changed a male-dominated, STRONGLY confucious, backward East-Asian country, to what it is now, a successful modern economy.
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    My problem here is that people keep placing these strong western values on Korea without thinking about the social-historical context, which is PLAIN IGNORANT. The reason why they do this is OBVIOUS: They want to PREJUDICELY critisize Korea, under the guise rational discussion. Korea is very new to the world stage. It has been changing rapidly from its old traditional culture to a respected country on the international stage. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT expect a country to make such a DRASTIC changes, in such a short period of time, without inner conflicts.
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    50 years or 1 full generation, people!
    Korea may try its best to adopt western values, but it must also respect its own 2000 year cultural background as well. Even it fully attempts to transform itself as fast as possible, YOU CANNOT EXPECT THE COUNTRY to have Australian values within 50 years, can you? lol.
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    The 2 dimensional critizisms on this site sicken me and its obvious that they are based on hate, rather than objective opinion.
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    PS: Kjeff, I’m not the best writer, so if you understood what I’m saying, I would not mind if you elaborate/clarify for me.

  8. comment number 8 by: Brian

    Here is a concept: Koreans are human beings.
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    All the elderly in today’s Korea have been RAISED in a completely different environment where confucious values, like “women obeying” their male counterparts, IS THE NORM. They are NOT LIKE US, who GREW UP never seeing women treated according to western values. THEY ARE FROM A different cultural LIFE from US. If everyone in Korea GREW UP IN A CULTURAL environment where domestic violence did not exist, but, instead, there were only western values, then things would be different. A 2nd or 3rd generation Korean-Americans would definately share our values. Maybe in another few generations like 50 years, could we EXPECT Korea’s society to fully have values of a western society.
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    For example, if a kid grows up all his life seeing that domestic violence is NORMAL, then would it be an outraged if he, as an adult, were to conduct domestic violence? Yes! But can we fully blame him? Not really, because HE WAS exposed to it all his life. Even here in the West, some children who GROW UP in environments of domestic violence, end up being perpetrators themselves. CAN WE FULLY BLAME THEM? Not really, because their GREW UP in an environment of abuse.
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    Koreans still have the residues of their tranditional culture within society. WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT? lol. Can we blame them? Not really. But I do think they are doing a FANTASTIC JOB making changes? FEW countries are actively making changes as fast as Korea.
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    I hope I don’t have to give any more examples of this because I basically broke this idea down into baby-sized bites, although I know Garlic-face still won’t have the mental capacity to understand.
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    Btw, the same shit goes for dog-eating. How tired am I of hearing that obviously ridiculous form of prejudice?

  9. comment number 9 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,

    FamilyGuy. Here are some facts backed up by the World Economic Forum.

    They looked at 116 plus nations and a number of measurements. You can read the full pdf on gender equality here (PDF).
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    Bottom line: Islamic nations fall at the bottom of gender equality (regardless of what wannabe kyopus claim). corea is just above the islamic nations at 93rd place. In fact, Corea is one of a few nations in the bottom 25 that isnt islamic.
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    a good point of refrence is that Bangladesh women rank higer then corean women.

    If I wrote this, you’d call me a liar. I’ll be more generous and call you stupid.

    Stupid #1: 128 countries are ranked.
    Stupid #2: Korea is not no. 93, it’s 97. For your reference, the great Japan ranks not much higher at 91.
    Stupid #3: 128 minus 25 is 103. And 103 is … than 97.
    Stupid #4: I’m not sure if you can call Indonesia(rank at 81) an Islamic nation, but it does have more muslims than anywhere else in the world. At 81, it’s higher than Japan and Korea. Also, Malaysia at 92(that’s just one down from Japan) is an Islamic nation.
    Stupid #5: Bangladesh is at 100, and 100 is … than 97.

    Smack Down!!!

  10. comment number 10 by: Sweet Water

    Kjeff,
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    Calm down. You shouldn’t call other posters liars or stupid so easily. GarlicBreath looked at the rankings of the 2006 survey in the Excel file, and the rankings you mentioned are those of the 2007 survey. (However, GB made a simple mistake by ignoring the header row of the Excel table. South Korea was actually ranked 92nd in 2006.)

  11. comment number 11 by: Sweet Water

    Brian,
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    I think you’re sick (and tired). You should probably go to see a psychiatrist.
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  12. comment number 12 by: Brian

    ^

    I think objective readers will agree that I’m not the one who needs to see a psychiatrist.

    The hate-filled rejects that obsess themselves with Korea on the other hand…… …. … … .

    What could be more obvious.

  13. comment number 13 by: Sweet Water

    Your previous two erroneous postings show that you are broken. You are not a Chinese Canadian, as many people say, and I don’t think you have a “real” Korean girlfriend, either. I suspect you have a personality disorder.

  14. comment number 14 by: kjeff

    Sweet Water,
    I knew how GarlicBreath got his number. I’m afraid unless you were following our exchanges, you wouldn’t understand. BTW, I’m that “wannabe kyopus” that he was referring to.
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    The only possible explanation of the above is that Koreans (including Karen) believe that hitting wives/girlfriends is acceptable in their society and that it was her fault to go out for dinner and drink soju with her non-Korean friends.

    LOL…Sweet Water…now, I wouldn’t call this …., but…well, I just wish people learn a little bit more about what they write. There are a number of reasons why a battered woman stays in a nabusive relationship. Look them up. Oh, was I calm enough?

  15. comment number 15 by: GarlicBreath

    I knew how GarlicBreath got his number

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    But you still “corrected me” knowing I used 2006 numbers and you used 2007 numbers, and not linking or pointing that out? You didnt even gave a link to the source, like I did. What a “smack down”? Korea went from 93 to 97… lol. Islamic nations are still the bottom of the pile.
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    I don’t think you have a “real” Korean girlfriend, either. I suspect you have a personality disorder.

    That is a good point Errol. Brian has some kind of disorder.

    well, I just wish people learn a little bit more about what they write. There are a number of reasons why a battered woman stays in a nabusive relationship.

    Amazing how nationalists will defend even wife beating if its done by a corean.

  16. comment number 16 by: GarlicBreath

    PS: Kjeff, I’m not the best writer, so if you understood what I’m saying, I would not mind if you elaborate/clarify for me.

    Translation: please tell me what to think. Please write the corean borg propaganda position on this and I will agree.
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    Most honest thing blian has said is that he is a bad writer.

  17. comment number 17 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    Amazing how nationalists will defend even wife beating if its done by a corean.

    Pardon? I believe no one has defended wife-beating. (Except maybe in your own mind)

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    Pardon? I believe no one has defended wife-beating

    Tigg, it seems that guys speak for each other, so please tell me what he is trying to say?

  19. comment number 19 by: Sweet Water

    I knew how GarlicBreath got his number.

    kjeff, I don’t think so. Yet, in either case, you are dishonest. You probably don’t understand why.

    well, I just wish people learn a little bit more about what they write. There are a number of reasons why a battered woman stays in a nabusive relationship.

    Please let me know other possible reasons why an unmarried school girl, who is studying English in Australia, chooses to stay with her abusive boyfriend. Are those money and sex?

  20. comment number 20 by: Errol

    GarlicBreath Says:
    December 13th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    I don’t think you have a “real” Korean girlfriend, either. I suspect you have a personality disorder.

    That is a good point Errol. Brian has some kind of disorder.

    Actually that wasn’t me this time but I have often made
    the link between Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Korean males.

    The Etiology of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    Joseph Fernando, MPSY, M.D.

    This paper presents a view of the etiology of narcissistic personality disorder … that narcissistic personality disorder is the outcome of narcissistic overgratification during childhood. A fixation to this over-gratification interferes with the normal maturation and integration of the superego, leading to difficulties in self-esteem regulation and to a tendency to massive externalization. Clinical material is presented to support this view.

    This thread is more clinical evidence.

    Brian Says:
    December 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    People keep hanging on to my words that Korea is an “modern society.” It is, but Korea comes from a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SOCIAL-HISTORICAL BACKGROUND. It cannot be compared directly to say, Australia.

    Brian, nice (uh) externalisation. Let’s get this straight. Ancient male Koreans did NOT go around Korea smacking up their Korean females. The Koryo Dynasty is famous for providing more rights for women than “modern” Korea.
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    What is it with this ‘apples’ and ‘oranges’ analogy? This isn’t a discussion about algebra. It’s about human dignity, human rights, human ethics, human morality.
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    St kjeff is on record as being an anti-altruist. here

    102. kjeff Says:
    September 9th, 2007 at 10:02 am

    Errol,

    No, I’m not an altruist.

    Which leads to the question, “In which known universe is it acceptable to smack up women?” And it’s altruistic corollary, “In which known universe is it acceptable to do nothing while other males to smack up women?”
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    But things are different in Korea? KAL flight lands back in Korea and the whining doesn’t stop even after the captain turns off the jet engines?
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    “Those %//& Aussies!!! Who do they think they are punishing us for smacking up our women???”

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    Welcome to Planet Korea.

  21. comment number 21 by: GarlicBreath

    kjeff, I don’t think so. Yet, in either case, you are dishonest. You probably don’t understand why.

    Spot on SweetWater. Mr Bevers said it first and he was right.
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    Corean gyopus wannabees and corean extreme nationalists will only accept that coreans are superior to all others. The reality is that the more a culture gets to undersand coreans the more they dislike them.
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    Corean headlines like this, bring mastabatory glee from the gyopus and nationalists. And unless you worship coreans like Blian, then gyopu wannabees call you racist.
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    But back to the topic, the reality is that
    corea wowmen are at the bottom of OECD wage gap.

    Korea is the only OECD member where the employment rate for women with college degrees or above is lower than that for women with high school diplomas or less.

    How many times have your heard how much coreans “value” education. Another corean cultural lie.

  22. comment number 22 by: randomcow

    50 years or 1 full generation, people!

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    You mean three generations? kjeff, as usual your research is sloppy and your writing emotional. A generation used to be 20 years, but these days is considered about 15-25 years.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation
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    A little research could have saved you from putting any remaining threads of credibility you could possibly have had left into jeopardy.

    RC

  23. comment number 23 by: kojibomb

    garlicbreath,
    Your work here is truly amazing.
    I have one question. Do you have any social life other than Internet? I m just curious.

  24. comment number 24 by: Brian

    LOL. You’re the one who is sloppy buddy. I wrote it, not Kjeff.
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    Btw, It dosen’t matter how many generations, 50 years is not a long time. People who grew up in Korea’s cultural environment in 1960 are still alive and well today. And the children who grew up following their traditions, are deeply influenced by them. Once again, social-historical context matters.

  25. comment number 25 by: GarlicBreath

    And the children who grew up following their traditions, are deeply influenced by them. Once again, social-historical context matters.

    Yes that is right Blian. When I bring up those traditions of wifebeating and dog eating suddenly you say that all coreans should be looked at as indivituals. Suddely there is no history or any tradition.
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    Corea has a tradition of wifebeating. Its part of their culture just as grabbin a dog and beating it to death and eating it.
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    Blian when will you quit lying and admit you are a corean chump.

  26. comment number 26 by: GarlicBreath

    Once again Corea is ranked number 64 from the gender empowerment measure(UN). (PDF).
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    Again islamic nations are further down twards the bottom, regardless of what American/Japan hating gyopus say.
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    Corean men beat corean women and its part of their abusive culture. Coreans teahcers beat their students, men beat their wives and a cook beats a dog to death before serving it to a soju swilling corean man.
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    I hope by my honest and well researched comments it can end the cycle of barbarism.

  27. comment number 27 by: kjeff

    Sweet Water,

    kjeff, I don’t think so. Yet, in either case, you are dishonest. You probably don’t understand why.

    If you look at the 2007 Gender Gap ranking(from his first link), you’ll also see 2006 ranking comparison(in the same table no less). The one-off is a common Excel mistake, and since the rankings are in both Excel and PDF, it’s not hard to see how he got his number. I didn’t think even GarlicBreath would pick a number out of his ass, especially one that was actually higher; gotta wonder…
    I hate when people use word such as “dishonest”, go ahead and say it, lie…lie…lie… Nahhhh, going to be called ’emotional’ again…lol…
    .

    Please let me know other possible reasons why an unmarried school girl, who is studying English in Australia, chooses to stay with her abusive boyfriend. Are those money and sex?

    Read about Battered Woman Syndrome…

  28. comment number 28 by: sageberry

    Perhaps the reason some people were offended by this post was because it singled Korea as a country where physical abuse is commonplace.

    I do agree that Korea has a lot of social problems, observing from past experiences and statistics. However, I hope people are aware that other countries have very similar problems of domestic violence as well.

    What I really dislike about the post is that it seems to me people are trying to deface Korea because it has social problems, which is true for not only Korea but also the ENTIRE world. Then again, this website (almost all of it) seems like it’s critisizing Korea for a lot problems, which again, occurs in other parts of the world.

    I found this site because I was looking up a manga on the hate Korea wave. I wanted to see – to believe – that most people weren’t like this, critisizing others based on their race and, on their assumptions, stereotyping the entire ethnicity. But I am disappointed and slightly disgusted how people can point out all the faults of one country, claiming it to be one of the only countries that has such faults when there are other countries that are also corrupt. And I am not critisizing only this website. I would be equally disgusted to see a website critisizing the actions of a specific country, picking at almost everything they do wrong.

    If you want to post injustices like physical abuse, why don’t you post each case of domestic violence not only centered on Korea, but ones that occur everyday thoughout the whole world? It seems to me that this post and other posts are examples of how Korea is an extremely abusive, angry country compared to other countries. Which I know not to be true. It would make sense if this post was offered as an example of domestic violence, an example that happens everywhere, and not just in Korea.

  29. comment number 29 by: sageberry

    Oh, by the way, please click on the link to see statistics on domestic violence occuring throughout the world. Sorry for the link confusion.

  30. comment number 30 by: GarlicBreath

    Sageberry you are full of crap. Nobody has said that “ONLY” coreans are wife beaters. And nobody has said that other countries are better then corea because they frown on wife beating. Quit making stuff up.

    Coreans are dog eaters and anybody who spends time around coreans or in corea will surely see a woman get beat up by a man. Pointing out the corean culture is one of dog eating and wife beating is only telling the truth. Quit trying to white wash the truth, by saying that “everyone” beats women.
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    In vietnam the Vietnamese President Nguyen Minh Triet asked the ambassidor to Corea to help stop all the beating of vietnamese women who end up with Corean men husbands. Some women are murderd but many are beat endlessly. It is normal in corean culture to beat women, it is not acceptable in vietnam.
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    sageberry, you should learn the facts before spreading misinformation.

  31. comment number 31 by: sageberry

    Oh, I’m sorry about spreading misinformation by saying that people here seemed to by applying that ONLY Koreans are wife beaters. Actually, I didn’t use the term wife beaters because it means that a person is beating their wife and not their girlfriend, but sorry, I digress.

    But I’m not spreading crap, either. I KNOW that Korea has problems with domestic violence and I’m happy that the Vietnamese President sent the ambassidor to stop the beating and battering of vietnamese woman. That is a very good thing. And I feel really bad for the Karen, because she’s one case of many cases throughout the world. Also, I’m not trying to white wash that fact, but it just happens that domestic violence occurs everywhere, including very similar cases that Karen suffered. No, it shouldn’t be acceptable, because it is inflicting harm on others, much like how the women of the middle east are forced to be submissive and are repressed.

    I also know that Korea eats dogs, but so do the Chinese. But other countries, with the exception of vegetarians, eat cows and chickens and eggs. It’s normal to do so, and is culturally acceptable on their terms. Yet, in some parts of India, they regard the cows as human and do not eat cows, a little like how we see dogs in our society. Just because China and Korea are eating dogs doesn’t mean we should look down on it; it’s their culture.

    Hey, I’m not denying these facts. And I thought we were on the subject of domestic violence, so I’m not sure why you are coming up with these other culutural facts about Korea and other Asian countries.

    I have this feeling that the people here are trying to use factual evidence to see that Korea is a bad country. I’m not explicitly you ARE, but it only seems like it. I’m not trying to offend anybody, so if I am, I apologize. Like GarlicBreath, for once, never explicitly stated that Korea is a bad country, and gets offended when I point out that the website seems to apply the idea that only Koreans are wife beaters. Then you return with facts of how they ARE wife beaters and dog eaters, and I know that is the truth. Then I also can say I know Americans that have been victims of domestic abuse, and Americans who become homeless due to extremely expensive health insurances. So am I right to say that people who come to America will surely come and see the victims of domestic violence and the homeless? To some degree, sure. But not always.

    I’m not denying any facts, nor am I trying to “white wash” them. And I am sorry I am so full of crap, but I see that the only misinformation I spread was that people seem to be applying the idea that Koreans are the only wife beaters. So will you say that this same scenerio of domestic violence above occurs throught the world, and, in some cases, are worse? And, on the dog eating thing, will you say that Korea is not the only country who eats dogs, and is a part of their culture?(much like raising cows and eating them)

    And I am a supporter of how everyone should be entitled to their own opinion. But for good reason.

  32. comment number 32 by: GarlicBreath

    Then I also can say I know Americans that have been victims of domestic abuse, and Americans who become homeless due to extremely expensive health insurances. So am I right to say that people who come to America will surely come and see the victims of domestic violence and the homeless?

    Go ahead, who cares. There are innumerable websites that do just that. Do you go around to them and try and correct them? Do you tell Americans that there is corean homeless too? And the issue should not be discussed because there are homeless around the world? No of course not. You only care about this issue because you want to water down the truth about Corea.

    I also know that Korea eats dogs, but so do the Chinese.

    What is your point? Most dog restaurants in china are run by Coreans or have mostly corean clients. Dog eating in china is done in dirt poor villages, and any chinese would rather eat some pork or beef over a dog.

    a little like how we see dogs in our society. Just because China and Korea are eating dogs doesn’t mean we should look down on it; it’s their culture.

    Who is “we”? I am not part of your “we”. You don’t speak for me. I do think Coreans are being barbaric by eating dogs. I do look down on wife beating and dog eating, no metter where its done. I think its wrong. Not ALL coreans are dog eating wife beater.

  33. comment number 33 by: sageberry

    By saying that the Chinese eats dogs as well as Korea, I was trying to say that it’s a part of other people’s culture. By saying we, I was referring to the people who do not eat dogs, or people who are disgusted by it because I, too, was initially grossed out by their culture, but I’m more accepting now. And are you sure any Chinese would rather eat some pork or beef over a dog? I’m sure that it really depends on what area of China it is; it’s a really large country. And I’m not “watering down” the “truth” about Korea; I’m simply saying that this occurs in the rest of the world. I’m not sure how saying that would be white washing the truth because in my post, I did say that it is fact that Korea has social problems, specifically in abuse. But thanks for saying that not ALL Koreans are dog eating wife beaters. That clears things up a lot.

  34. comment number 34 by: sageberry

    And I do agree that it is cruel for people in Asia to kidnap dogs or steal them for consumption. These cases occur a lot, and I disagree with this because it is the same thing as stealing a cow or a guinea pig (also eaten in Peru and Colombia). ^_^; I digressed a little too much.

  35. comment number 35 by: Matt

    sageberry, I think I would be hard pressed to find any Korean that agrees that wife beating is a good thing, but when it comes down to specific cases, Koreans tend to have a bunch of excuses available for (Korean) men that beat (any) woman.

    Sometimes communities of Korean immigrants even rally around to defend Korean men that beat women. See here and here.

    Anyway, there is no reason to point out other countries unless the reason is to excuse Korea. It happens in other countries, and a lot of countries are dealing with it in a forthright manner. There are groups in Korea dealing with it too. But the average Korean reaction to stories like this (when it comes from foreigners) is to minimize it, as if the national pride is at stake.

  36. comment number 36 by: sageberry

    I don’t think I had my intentions clearly posted, and I apologize for that. As I said in my above posts, it IS very sad and depressing Korea is such a country. I wouldn’t try to justify Korea as a country that is not something it already is. Domestic violence is not acceptable AT ALL. What I meant by pointing out other countries, or the rest of the world, was that domestic violence itself was stupid and unreasonable, and that such examples, very sadly, are found all over the world.

  37. comment number 37 by: sageberry

    And can anyone tell me what website this is? I went to the about page, but I didn’t find anything on there.

  38. comment number 38 by: BananaBoi

    https://www.occidentalism.org/?page_id=73

    Try the FAQ, the link above.

  39. comment number 39 by: Matt

    I don’t think I had my intentions clearly posted, and I apologize for that. As I said in my above posts, it IS very sad and depressing Korea is such a country. I wouldn’t try to justify Korea as a country that is not something it already is. Domestic violence is not acceptable AT ALL. What I meant by pointing out other countries, or the rest of the world, was that domestic violence itself was stupid and unreasonable, and that such examples, very sadly, are found all over the world.

    I don’t think the author of the post meant to suggest that there is no domestic violence in other countries, and I don’t see how anyone could see it that way.

    I think the two main lines in what he wrote are –

    I was both shocked and surprised at this attitude but have been told by other Koreans that this is commonplace and she should have known better.

    And –

    It just seems to me that Karen only wanted to go out and improve her English ability along with the intention of meeting new friends, but was physically punished by her Korean boyfriend for doing so.

    I would guess that physical violence is the last resort for most Korean guys. In general it is just social pressure applied on girls not to associate with foreigners. Social pressure meaning badgering, negative rumors (slut etc), religious pressure or isolation at church, etc etc.

    See here, here, here, and here.

    Of course, the worst case scenario is a Korean girl getting raped for dating an Australian man. Yes, it has happened. See here. It is probably not the only time, either.

    Anyway, the point is not to single out Koreans for criticism just because they are Koreans, but just to point out something that is happening in reality. I am Australian. I have had a Korean girl friend in the past. She came under extreme pressure, both social (because of dating me) and religious (the people at church were insisting she date an elder man of the church). She suffered rumors. Fortunately, she was not raped like the girl in the link above. But these issues are of concern to people like me. It is definitely not to single Koreans out but Koreans definitely do have a problem with these issues.

  40. comment number 40 by: dacho

    Brian,
    You made me completey think you are a Korean guy, because you are just upset and using the article completely make other people to believe that 60% Japanese women were beaten up by Japanese men at the present by not putting a whole artcle up..
    You took this article from apiwfsc.

    http://www.apiwfsc.org/apiwfsc/statistics.html

    It didn’t even say those women were beaten up by Japanese men.
    This interview was held in Los Angeles in the US, not in Japan..

    In a face-to-face interview study of a random sample of 211 Japanese immigrant women and Japanese American women in Los Angeles County conducted in 1995

    “61% of Japanese women reported some form of physical, emotional, or sexual partner violence that they considered abusive”

    I am very distrubed by your quotes, not fair.

    this report is based on data on domestic violence within Asian and Pacific Islander (API) populations in the United States, not in Japan.