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A logical response to a video about public execution in N. Korea

March 10th, 2007 . by Darin

Long time no post. Had to share this rant.

So I’m watching some videos on N. Korea that all of the Korea blogs are linking to, feeling disgusted about how we are doing nothing to help the 23 million people of N. Korea who are just left to starve, and I stumble across a video that disgusted me even more.

A video about public executions in N. Korea. But what disgusted me wasn’t the video.

It was the comments.

The video was taken from Japanese television.

And this was the response of one person.

nihonjin hehehe.fuck.speaking sounds like shits of Koizumi.

and

fuck jap.

There is just so much wrong with this world, and so many useful idiots.

Why are the government and people of S. Korea so preoccupied with the wrongs of the past that they will do nothing, nothing at all to stop the wrongs of the present, on the same people they call brothers. Why is the American government for that matter. KJI has killed more then 10% of the N. Korean population, and S. Korea remains silent. Yet there is no shortage of noise about what Japan did 60 years ago, on a much lesser scale.


29 Responses to “A logical response to a video about public execution in N. Korea”

  1. comment number 1 by: MikeRossTky

    I share the same feeling. It seems that all evil done by Koreans can be forgiven. Koreans can starve Koreans and it can be forgiven/ignored. Koreans girls fill the love hotels of Tokyo on a daily basis and this can be ignored..

    But if something that took place 60 years ago is brought up, people protest, burn flags, spill blood to express their “feelings”. Those who protest are treated as heroes.

    I think it is a disgrace to have your brothers and sisters starve to death. I think it is a disgrace to forget those that were kidnapped and tell the family members to “live with it”. I think it is a disgrace that girls are exported to Japan to sleep with men so that Koreans can make money. Those who protest are shamed into silence.

    Every culture has its good and bad. But Korean culture is the only culture that I know that will ignore the sins of its own and denounce others for sins of the past that pale in comparison.

    If someone can explain how this is understood in the minds of the Korean people, I would appreciate such explanation.

  2. comment number 2 by: jion999

    It is Korean nationalism in which there are three kinds of people only in the world. “Uri”(we) and outsiders and the enemy (Japanese).
    Most of Koreans (not all, of course) suffer this disease.
    The point is why matured US medias are supporting the story distorted by such Korean nationalism.
    I know the liberal papers of US cheer for Democrats and attack Japan usually. But current reports of US media look like the agitation before US-Spain war in 1899.

  3. comment number 3 by: jion999

    Sorry. Spanish-American War was in 1898.
    Both media kings, Hearst and Pulitzer published images of Spanish troops placing Cubans into concentration camps where they suffered and died from disease and hunger.
    Such reports led American people to the war.
    Oh, it sounds very similar how to criticize Japan now.
    The biggest difference is papers are not only source of information in the modern internet society anymore.
    I hope matured US people understand the lies of papers.

  4. comment number 4 by: kjeff

    Darin,

    Why are the government and people of S. Korea so preoccupied with the wrongs of the past that they will do nothing, nothing at all to stop the wrongs of the present, on the same people they call brothers.

    I think you might be asking the wrong questions. And, I believe there’s a cabinet level ministry of reunification; that’s not exactly nothing, no? Yes, the results have been dissapointing so far, and that’s deeply regrettable.

    Why is the American government for that matter. KJI has killed more then 10% of the N. Korean population, and S. Korea remains silent.

    I said the wrong questions, because I believe the questions that you should be asking is how. How do you go about doing more than “nothing”? If you have any ideas, please share with us… I, for one, would love to hear them.

    Yet there is no shortage of noise about what Japan did 60 years ago, on a much lesser scale.

    First, I must object that you’re using these terrible tragedies to make your point on the “comfort women” issue. It’s regrettable, and if I may say so, utterly shameless.
    Second, prior to using phrase such as “lesser scale”, I hope that you’d questioned yourself whether you’ll have the same courage and insensitivity to tell those ‘less’ affected in person. Something to keep in mind.

  5. comment number 5 by: pacifist

    All of these responses attribute to Korean education lead by the anti-Japan governments.
    .
    BTW, I’m afraid that this situation of S.Korea (and N.Korea too) resembles to one of the endstage of the Li Dynasty. Their country was on the verge of collapse without financial support from abroad, but they couldn’t reflect on themselves. They only complained of others but they didn’t do their best and pushed the responsibility off onto another country.

  6. comment number 6 by: kjeff

    Pacifist,

    All of these responses attribute to Korean education lead by the anti-Japan governments.

    What responses? It was one person, how the hell do you know that he is Korean?

    BTW, I’m afraid that this situation of S.Korea (and N.Korea too) resembles to one of the endstage of the Li Dynasty. Their country was on the verge of collapse without financial support from abroad, but they couldn’t reflect on themselves.

    True somewhat about North Korea(Don’t know about Li Dynasty though), but the South is what? The twelfth largest economy in the world, please don’t revel in your own ignorance.

    They only complained of others but they didn’t do their best and pushed the responsibility off onto another country.

    “They didn’t do their best” what? If you have some great ideas on how to help North Koreans, speak up!!! I, no, the world would love to hear them.

  7. comment number 7 by: kjeff

    jion999,

    It is Korean nationalism in which there are three kinds of people only in the world. “Uri”(we) and outsiders and the enemy (Japanese). Most of Koreans (not all, of course) suffer this disease.

    First, thank you for “most”; that’s very nice of you. Second, if you’ve actually lived in Korea, had more than just passing Korean acquaintances, or, hell yeah, studied Korean culture and sociology(browsing the internet doesn’t count), what you wrote might actually pass as believable. But, you haven’t done any those, have you? While I appreciate your “most”, that’s a big jump from ‘some’, and I wish you could back that up.

  8. comment number 8 by: tomato

    What responses? It was one person, how the hell do you know that he is Korean?

    It’s a logical conclusion…not that you can make a valid issue out of it.

    Don’t know about Li Dynasty though

    Figures- Korean nationalistic education seems to focus on Japan being evil and little on the shortcomings of Korea before annexation.

    I, no, the world would love to hear them.

    The “world” doesn’t really care about helping your beloved peninsula- the “world” is concerned because of the fanatic regime run by your brethren up north.

  9. comment number 9 by: tomato

    While I appreciate your “most”, that’s a big jump from ’some’, and I wish you could back that up.

    Well, you’re one good example yourself. Never noticed that?

  10. comment number 10 by: kjeff

    MikeRossTky,

    I share the same feeling. It seems that all evil done by Koreans can be forgiven. Koreans can starve Koreans and it can be forgiven/ignored.

    Like I said, to all of you so far, Got Ideas? Speak up!!! Otherwise, what you have are just empty rants.

    But if something that took place 60 years ago is brought up, people protest, burn flags, spill blood to express their “feelings”. Those who protest are treated as heroes. I think it is a disgrace to have your brothers and sisters starve to death.

    Genius, I suppose you have some brilliant ideas to feed my “brothers and sisters”. Come on, spill it!!!

    Every culture has its good and bad. But Korean culture is the only culture that I know that will ignore the sins of its own and denounce others for sins of the past that pale in comparison.

    Ahhh, I see. You must have some kind of PhD in Korean Sociology? No? Master’s? B.A.? OK, it doesn’t have to be Korean Studies. East-Asian? No? Comparative? You’ve lived in Korea for extended period of time? No? You have lots and lots Korean friends? No? You speak the language at least, right?

    If someone can explain how this is understood in the minds of the Korean people, I would appreciate such explanation.

    I think you need to do some explaining yourself.
    P.S. I didn’t respond to your ‘Korea has lots of prostitutes’ rants, because someone else did that already. Try come out with something new…

  11. comment number 11 by: tomato

    Well, to be fair(?), the Japanese media seems to be overly fond of reporting N Korea- not that there’s no problem with the N Korean regime or that the reports are false- but nobody doubts N Korea to be an inhumane and autocratic regime, and if it’s aired too much, it tends to become more like a curiosity freak show rather than a journalistic piece of work.

  12. comment number 12 by: tomato

    Like I said, to all of you so far, Got Ideas? Speak up!!! Otherwise, what you have are just empty rants.

    Somehow it seems pretty obvious that you’re the one who’s making “empty rants”. Never get sorry ’bout yourself?

  13. comment number 13 by: kjeff

    tomato,

    It’s a logical conclusion…not that you can make a valid issue out of it.

    Well, can’t argue with that, right? “It’s a logical conclusion.” Look up ‘fallacy’ in wiki… Come to think of it, it may not even qualified one…

    Figures- Korean nationalistic education seems to focus on Japan being evil and little on the shortcomings of Korea before annexation.

    Sorry, I wasn’t educated in Korea, so I wouldn’t know, would I?

    The “world” doesn’t really care about helping your beloved peninsula- the “world” is concerned because of the fanatic regime run by your brethren up north.

    Good, at least you’re not one of those above who claimed concerns over the well-being of “my brothers and sisters”.

  14. comment number 14 by: kjeff

    tomato,

    Somehow it seems pretty obvious that you’re the one who’s making “empty rants”. Never get sorry ’bout yourself?

    If you’re making an accusation, you should be able to back it up, no? Or, is it just rhetoric? Same goes with this below:

    Well, you’re one good example yourself. Never noticed that?

    Come on, point out something!!! Don’t hide behind “that”. “That” what? Show me!!!

  15. comment number 15 by: HanComplex

    Looks like the resident Korean troll is blabbing nonsense again. No surprise there.

    I think it is a disgrace to have your brothers and sisters starve to death.

    Found this set of videos about North Korean children on Youtube while viewing Darin’s video link. The conditions there are pretty harrowing.

    Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVA4kgVGmX0
    Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm5xiFwnOSg
    Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUipc28cwA
    Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toOi1_7aNmM
    Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEIv9gcLmt8

    South Korea’s economy is now booming. Surely they can help their Northern brethren; there’s no excuse. Why are they letting them starve? How disgraceful.

  16. comment number 16 by: kjeff

    HanComplex,

    Looks like the resident Korean troll is blabbing nonsense again. No surprise there

    Like always, when you can’t argue, you label. I dare you to show me which of what I wrote so far is “nonsense.”

    South Korea’s economy is now booming.

    Well, thank you for not thinking like pacifist who believes that South Korea is “on the verge of collapse without financial support from abroad.”

    Surely they can help their Northern brethren; there’s no excuse. Why are they letting them starve?

    How? If you’re so “sure”, you must have some ideas how. Share them with the class, please.

    How disgraceful.

    How irresponsibe.

  17. comment number 17 by: pacifist

    kjeff,

    Did you forget that S.Korean economic crisis was rescued by IMF? Much of the funds were from Japan. And did you forget that economic growths in the seventies and eighties were based on the financial support from Japan that were paid after the Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and ROK (1965)?

    Also USA supported its economic growth. But they are still educating anti-Japanism and there is also anti-Americanism nowadays.

    Instead, the government is wagging its tail to KJI…

    You know, the situation is very similar to one in the endstage of Li Dynasty.
    The point was that there was no leader of ability in those days, actually there were some elites but they were purged by the authority. And there is no excellent leader in S. Korea now.

    kjeff, I don’t want you to misunderstnad me. I am basiccaly a Korea lover so that I strongly hope that Korean people will notice this dangerous situation.

  18. comment number 18 by: Darin

    How do you go about doing more than “nothing”? If you have any ideas, please share with us… I, for one, would love to hear them.

    I have plenty of ideas, and the differ little from everyone else on the face of this other other then the S. Korean government.

    1) Start protesting in public the treatment of your N. Korean brothers
    2)Chop your fingers off calling for the death of KJI
    3) Light yourself on fire, proclaiming the freedom of your brothers to the north must be given now
    4) Cover yourself in honey, then release a swarm of bees on yourself demanding that the fascist imperialist north stops stealing your sacred Korean territory and oppressing the great people of Korea
    5) Educate the children of the tragedies that the N. Korean government is committing against the people it claims to work for, the tragedies it’s committing today, the tragedies it committed yesterday, and the tragedy that will come if we do not do anything about it.

    Basically, do everything S. Korea is doing to raise a nation of soldiers willing to die for the cause of destruction of the Japanese race, and instead do it so they are willing to die for their own freedom, and the freedom of their brothers.

    And, I believe there’s a cabinet level ministry of reunification; that’s not exactly nothing, no?

    It is nothing, exactly nothing, you know yourself that it has produced absolutely not a single positive result. The reunification ministry needs to be dropped and replaced with a “emancipation of the N. Korean peoples from the worlds most horrid and disgusting dictator in the history of time, KJI” ministry of the military who’s sole purpose is to overthrow the N. Korea government which would in turn free the people and once again reunite them in freedom, peace, and harmony.

    You mistake my comparing the silence of S. Korea towards the North to the noise it generates towards Japan as baseless attack on S. Korea; that is not the case. It most certainly is an attack on S. Korea, but not baseless by any means. My point is that the freedom of the N. Koreans should be the absolute number one trump anything and anyone priority of the South, and really the world.

    The problem is the South’s priorities are so completely backwards, all their efforts are being focused on doing the best they can do destroy the already weak relationship they have with their best regional ally, and one of only 2 allies in the entire world.

    Second, prior to using phrase such as “lesser scale”, I hope that you’d questioned yourself whether you’ll have the same courage and insensitivity to tell those ‘less’ affected in person. Something to keep in mind.

    Just because it’s a cheap shot doesn’t make it not true.

    I most certainly have the courage to tell any ‘comfort women’ that although 200,000 of her sisters sold themselves into slavery, world sold into by their parents, took a paying job as a prostitute, or even were kidnapped by a corrupt countryman who wanted the money, their numbers of 200,000 pale in comparison to the 2-4 million of their N. Korean brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, cousins and nieces and nephews who died in merely one year of a mismanaged natural disaster in the north. I would tell them it is certainly an issue that needs to be dealt with appropriately, right now is not the appropriate time and all they are doing by demanding they be taken priority right now is the same putting a gun up to their head of their brother to the north and pulling the trigger.

    I do not fault the individuals who have suffered, i fault the government who continues to stand idle and let those to the north suffer to this very day.

  19. comment number 19 by: edohamacho

    Hello all,

    I am a new member from Tokyo, and have been
    enjoying and respecting this blog because it is not biased.

    And Matt, Gerry and almost of commenters havedone efforts to finding facts on the issue with fairness, especailly for the
    modern historical agendas among China, Korea, USA and other nations.

    I posted here before about two websites that
    is: http://www.sdh-fact.com and http://www.
    forums.chanel.anth.cx/viewtopics.php?t=2

    The websites are providing very good info
    with respected historinas/scholars reports
    in English for Comfort Women, Nanking Incident, Sino-Japanese Incident, Forced
    Conscription of Koreans Since 1905 and Then,
    Jews Helped by Japanese, Manchuria:Most
    Ideal Nation State and etc.

    I would think that 18th to 19th century history were so complexed after the colonized long history in Asia and Africa.
    We do need to learn and know more about the
    such histories and its facts, always histories has two faces, front and back ones, Europians and American do say that
    colonaization gave what is modern things
    to inferior and poor people.

    UK, America, France, German, Dutch, Spain and other western coutries and its governments never apologized, only Japan has been accused and forced to apologize.

    Why, it is so simple reason, Tokyo Trial’s one sided accusatons by allied victors were
    made by under so unfaire systems without no
    juridiction by an international laws.

    Please see and understnad that the recent
    Comefort Women issue and Rep. Mike Honda’s
    assertions are to be a specific political
    conspiracy being made by CCP/immigrants and Koreans immigants to the USA, almost of them have abundaned thier own country to get
    more good economic environments.

    Why such people could blame and accuse Japan, please read and see what China and
    Korea have been living, I should request
    that you shall need to know the realities
    in the modern histories, prostitues were
    so common in the past and even now that the
    coin has the both side, front and back.

    Matt and Gerry, I really are looking forward
    to your productive and facts-finder’s eyes.

    Best and kind regards, Edohamachou

  20. comment number 20 by: edohamacho

    Hello all,

    Again, I would say the modern hisroty and its views, especillay in China, Korea and Japan has been so complexed, we Japanese used to love its facts and realities in that time, though China and Korea used to
    take thier own fablicated historical views.
    This came from calutural and differnt nature
    how to survive their living from povaty and
    etc.

    So, I would like to suggest you, younger
    people in Korea, Japan, Amerca, Australia,
    China and etc, to read in so good books and
    scholatr study reports that gives you more
    good knowledge that would be:

    Ways thet are dark:The Truth about China
    by Ralf Townsent, 1933

    China, Korea and Japan by Isabella,
    Bird,1905

    Das Neue Asien by Colin Ross, 1939

    Japan as seen by Francisico Zabiel by
    Peter Milward, 1549

    Mirror of Americas:Japan by Hellen Mears,
    1948

    American Diprmacy, 1900-1945 by George
    Kennan and Secker & Warburg, 1952

    The Tokyo Trial and Beyond: Refrecting of
    A Peacemonger by Bernald Victor Roling &
    Antonio Cassese, 1993

    Japan’s Post War Peace Settlemant by Jain
    Rajendara Kumar, 1978

    The Coming Conflict with China by Richard
    Bernstein & Ross H. Munro, 1948

    Auschwitze, No.186416 Dies in Japan by
    Alfred Smoular, 1995

    Nine Commentaries on The China Communist
    Party, 1999 by Eliza R. Sidmore, 1990

    Twilight In The Forbidden City by Reginald
    F. Johnston, 1934

    China in Decay by Alex’s Krausse, 1900

    The Chinese-Japanese Puzzle by Neville
    Whymant, 1932

    We would have been so many to learn and
    know about the modern histories in 80th
    and 90th and before though the books and
    scholar study reports to debate and discuss
    for the recent issuews.

    Kind regards, edohamacho

  21. comment number 21 by: wiesunja

    The comments by the Korean are pathetic and very indicative of typical Korean stupidity and 5 year old maturity, but no surprising at all. Come on, I mean is anyone really surprised at all when a Korean utters a completely dipshit statement full of anger much like when a 5 year old child basically realizes he is cornered and has no defense for his stupid outrageous arguments? That’s exactly how Korea acts.

    “Damn Japanese! Why do you go around showing the bad things that N. Korea are doing to its people? That’s our little secret..reserved only for us Koreans to see! We are ashamed of that, and it is our Korean duty to make sure that none of that bad news is seen by foreigners because then, it will make our constant obsession with speaking ill of Japan look even more stupid, and we DEFINITELY not have that! We must do whatever possible to keep foreigners from seeing the truth because we don’t want to admit our brethren in the north are the real evil doers. We hate admitting that Korean blood is capable of evil. Thus, we must try to do everything possible to keep the focus away from that and back to what brings us the most joy in our lives..trying to convince ourselves and the rest of the world that we are superior to Japan! Who cares if millions of Koreans are killed each year by Kim Jong Il? What is more important to us is to make sure that we convince ourselves and show others that Koreans are superior to Japanese! That’s the most important issue”.

  22. comment number 22 by: tman

    YAWWWNNN…. done with the ranting yet?
    Maybe some commentators have said the truth, that the Japanese are pathetic and very indicative of typical Japanese stubbornness and stupidity. Don’t get your panties all wet because of that, mr. Tojo.

  23. comment number 23 by: kojibomb

    Wie
    not only Koreans are being pathetic and 5 yr olds…
    so can we just stop talking about them? lol
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=RKILQPBcVTI
    this is Free hugs video from SK
    a comment that stands out on the first page…

    makihatayama (12 hours ago)
    I can’t help laughing at Gooks imitaing Westerners.
    North or South, whichever Koreans belong to, they cause a lot of troubles all over the world.
    N.Korea is still exporting counter-feit notes and narcotics, on the other hand, S.Korea is exporting prostitutes and fake-goods.

    yea… there are foolish dumbass ppl in every country including your own.

  24. comment number 24 by: wiesunja

    Hey Koji,

    No, there are no foolish dumbass people in my country at all. I am Korean! Therefore, it is absolute undisputed fact that my people are incapable of doing anything wrong. I know, you are going to ask me to prove how I can say such a bold statement, but you forget the Korean way of thinking which is that such stupid concepts as having to back up what you say with proof and evidence applies only to foreigners. We Koreans are in every way superior to everyone. Therefore, we do not have to provide or substantiate our claims with evidence or so called “proof”.

    “Proof” and “evidence”…ha! Such stupid concepts are only respected by foreigners. Just by the sheer fact that we are Koreans, you should realize that we are totally exempt from that! However, I don’t blame you since you didnt go through typical Korean brainwash..er, uh, I mean indoctrination. If you had, then you would know better than to doubt that Koreans are the master race. Everything that the foreign media tells you is a lie. On the other hand, everything that we learn in Korea is the absolute holy gospel. Thus, in any argument, our view is always correct and the Japanese or opposing view is always WRONG or a lie. Silly foreigners…how can you not understand such a simple concept like that?

  25. comment number 25 by: kojibomb

    wie
    lol ok…
    I think most of us know what you are talking about already…
    saying things over and over again makes you sound like a crazy whore…

  26. comment number 26 by: wiesunja

    saying things over and over again makes you sound like a crazy whore…

    Really? Is that how your mother speaks? Korean pride!

  27. comment number 27 by: kojibomb

    Really? Is that how your mother speaks? Korean pride!

    lol
    no but why do you think that?
    is that how your mother speaks?
    so.. your mom is a crazy whore ok

  28. comment number 28 by: SuikaDorobo

    Darin (#18),

    I believe you already know that we’ll end up seeing Koreans throw again the responsibility to other countries, saying something like “we ARE making all efforts for re-unification; it’s Japan, U.S. and other nations that are preventing us from being as one: they don’t like to see the emergence of the unified Korea re-born as an even greater economic and military power”. I have no idea how many times I have ever seen those miserable Koreans talk about this sort of day-dream.

    It is nothing, exactly nothing, you know yourself that it has produced absolutely not a single positive result. The reunification ministry needs to be dropped and replaced with a “emancipation of the N. Korean peoples from the worlds most horrid and disgusting dictator in the history of time, KJI” ministry of the military who’s sole purpose is to overthrow the N. Korea government which would in turn free the people and once again reunite them in freedom, peace, and harmony.

    Less than nothing, I’d rather say. All that the Re-unification Dept. has ever done is to give the Great Leader money, food, electricity and every other stuff he needs, to help his dictatorship last longer and his nuclear program make success. A “world’s 12th economic power” could use its power more properly, provided its citizens are really willing to save their brethren out of suppression and poverty at any cost.

  29. comment number 29 by: surabaya johnny

    Koreans utter disdain of the rights of their brothers to the north is an absolute disgrace. Don’t they realize that because of this they have no moral leverage?