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All White Dating: Dating for White Folk

July 15th, 2006 . by Darin

UPDATE: Apparently what I consider common knowledge is different from others. It is illegal for a business to turn people away based on their race, that is called racial discrimination. And since I’m covering all my bases of obviousness, 2+2=4.

Original Post: Well now isn’t this friendly…

Dating for White Folk

Check out this ‘news’ article:

White Population Decline
July 12, 2006

In 1900 about 33% of all humans were of white European descent. Today they are only about 16%. IF BIRTHRATES DON’T RISE, they will be less than 3% of the world population in 2100 and who knows after that. In some European nations, less than 1 white child is being born per couple every generation on average instead of 2.1 which would keep the population level. Imagine that, the white populations of these countries will cut in half every 25 years or so if nothing changes. Even in America the white birthrate is less than 2. The reason these nations’ populations are still rising is because of rapidly-multiplying non-white immigrants and children. What would happen if the race that has contributed the most to the scientific/cultural advancement of humanity vanishes?*

I’m sorry, but this just isn’t acceptable. A special club just for white people? Do you guys have uniforms too?

Welcome to A W D
See why A W D is the fastest growing relationship site on the web. Create your A W D profile to begin the exciting journey towards finding your match.

Fastest growing relationship site on the web! That’s frightening. Fortunately they are stupid enough to post their statistics right on their own page.

Site Statistics

Members in Last Week: 16
Total Male Members: 9
Total Female Members: 7
Pictures in Last Week: 8
Members online: 0

Now that’s mighty popular I’d say…. Now if you’re against dating outside of your race, I guess that’s really not anyones business other then your own because that alone isn’t harming anyone, but you don’t need to make a special web site for your little club, you can just register on any of the other gazillion dating web sites, I’m pretty sure they have a space where you can fill out race. Or better yet, go outside and meet a real person. However if you’re the type of person that would look for a ‘match’ on a website titled “Dating For White Folk” that may be a bit too much to expect.

I did some looking around for similar services that only cater to people of a certain race, but the closest thing I could find was services that have listings of women from the main three Asian countries seemingly looking for white partners.

Does anyone know of any websites like this ‘white folk’ one that are only for people of a certain race? What would happen if someone from outside that race were to register for the site?

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* I thought China held exclusive rights to that line of bullshit. That and the number “4,000” when used with “years” and “greatness”.


31 Responses to “All White Dating: Dating for White Folk”

  1. comment number 1 by: randomcow

    There is a “Jewish friendfinder” site (http://jewishfriendfinder.com/) but I have no problems with this. Fundamentally I have no problem with a white singles site either, if that’s your thing, but these guys are going about it the wrong way.

    RC

  2. comment number 2 by: T_K

    I do have a problem with that site, randomcow.
    Dyske Suematsu once blogged about Jewish anti-non-semitism ( http://www.dyske.com/index.php?view_id=829 ), and I have to agree with him.
    Any attempt at self-imposed isolation for its own sake is just racism, pure and simple. I can’t see anything good coming of it.
    Why would you want to find Jewish or white friends in particular? By doing so, aren’t you saying that other groups are less worthy of your friendship?

  3. comment number 3 by: AWD

    I’m sorry, but this just isn’t acceptable. A special club just for white people? Do you guys have uniforms too?

    What is unacceptable to you about a club for whites only? Do you get on your high horse about black only, Asian only clubs? for which there are numerous.

    I assume your view is that all white people that may which to date fellow whites prance about in ss uniforms?
    Well if this is so then fortunately your are mistaken.

    I did some looking around for similar services that only cater to people of a certain race, but the closest thing I could find was services that have listings of women from the main three Asian countries seemingly looking for white partners.

    Let me assist you:
    http://www.luvshades.com/

    http://www.blackplanet.com/

    http://www.blacksinglesconnection.com/

    http://www.ebonyfriends.com/

    http://ethnicdatingnetwork.com/

    http://amigos.com/

    http://www.asiansinglesconnection.com/

    http://www.click2asia.com/main.php

    http://www.arablounge.com/

    http://www.iranianpersonals.com/

    Well I don’t know what search engine you use but… maybe its a user issue.

    As for the stats. The site has been up 2 days only and I predict take up will be slow due to the way media. not unlike this site, demonise white people who actively seek other whites for socialising ect (read your uniforms comment)It seems multiculturalism should be celebrated unless of course it is white culture.

  4. comment number 4 by: randomcow

    Not at all. If you want your children to be brought up in the Jewish faith then obviously you’re going to be looking for a partner who believes the same.

    Looking at it from the other side, why are you wanting to associate with people that aren’t interested in you anyway?

    RC

  5. comment number 5 by: Darin

    Wait wait wait, before this gets into a flame war, let me comment on your guys’ comments.

    “Why would you want to find Jewish or white friends in particular?”

    vs.

    “If you want your children to be brought up in the Jewish faith then obviously you’re going to be looking for a partner who believes the same.”

    T_K is talking about the Jewish race while randomcow is talking about people of the Jewish religion. Some people will say that they are the same, but some people will say they are different. With the existence of groups such as “Jews for Jesus”, I think the Jewish race is not exclusive to the Jewish religion and vice versa.

    Just be sure you guys are talking about the same thing, because from my perspective you’re not. 😉

    But a good question is raised. I’ve seen dating services for christians and never thought it a problem, but when I saw this dating service for whites, I thought there to be a problem. What’s the difference? Is there really a difference, or am I just ignorant to the problem?

  6. comment number 6 by: AWD

    oh.. i see… this is a comment board that only shows comments favorable to the author. Reminds me a bit of the the Google/Korea issue in the news recently.

  7. comment number 7 by: Darin

    I’m not really sure what you mean by that, but since you say you are the (?one of the?) administrators of the web site, you would be the perfect person to tell me if my concerns are unfounded or not. One would assume you don’t see a problem with your site (otherwise you wouldn’t run it correct?), so I wonder if you have the time for a comment for people like myself who doubt the ‘wholesome goodness’ of your site?

  8. comment number 8 by: AWD

    OK.. here we go;

    I’m sorry, but this just isn’t acceptable. A special club just for white people?

    Why do you find this unacceptable? What are your concerns about white people that might like to socialise or date with other white people? Do you have the same concerns regarding Black/Black or Asian/ Asian dating? Do you shriek with delight when ever you see multiculturalism in action (as long as white culture is not included)?

    I did some looking around for similar services that only cater to people of a certain race, but the closest thing I could find was services that have listings of women from the main three Asian countries seemingly looking for white partners

    Er… are you serious??? Are you using the Korean version of google?

    As for stats, I expect take up for members to be slow for the simple reason that whites that chose to be open about wanting to socialise with fellow whites are generally demonised by sites like this

    Do you guys have uniforms too?

    and to be white and proud of your culture and history is usually met with shrills of racist, bigot, Nazi, ect ect ect..

    tell me if my concerns are unfounded or not

    Please let me know your concerns and I will try to address them on here.

  9. comment number 9 by: randomcow

    I just signed up to have a look on the inside. You can see my profile here:

    http://www.allwhitedating.com/showprofile.php?id=121

    RC

  10. comment number 10 by: randomcow

    heh – deleted. I guess it doesn’t take that much effort to moderate when you only have 16 members.

    RC

  11. comment number 11 by: T_K

    RC wrote:
    “Looking at it from the other side, why are you wanting to associate with people that aren’t interested in you anyway?”

    Obviously, I’m not. It’s a bit odd to assume that Jews wouldn’t be interested in me just because I’m not Jewish, however.
    And if that really is the case, do I have to accept this kind of racism? Naturally, it’s a free country and they’re not breaking any laws, but can’t we at least agree that it’s racist and insensitive?

  12. comment number 12 by: AWD

    can’t we at least agree that it’s racist and insensitive?

    I am sorry you feel this way but isn’t it all about choice? Why shouldn’t whites actively date other whites? Insensitive. How? I believe all races would get along just fine if we all just admitted that we are different, and ignored the antagonists who fuel the racism issue.

    BTW randomcow’s profile was deleted because of profanities and unsuitable pictures

  13. comment number 13 by: Matt

    I just signed up to have a look on the inside. You can see my profile here:

    http://www.allwhitedating.com/showprofile.php?id=121

    RC

    Haha, that is hilarious, RC!

    I did some looking around for similar services that only cater to people of a certain race, but the closest thing I could find was services that have listings of women from the main three Asian countries seemingly looking for white partners.

    Darin, there are plenty of racially exclusive dating services around if you look. I am agnostic on the issue – people are going to date who they want to date, no matter what.

  14. comment number 14 by: Matt

    As for stats, I expect take up for members to be slow for the simple reason that whites that chose to be open about wanting to socialise with fellow whites are generally demonised by sites like this

    AWD, this is not a top down site where authors tell the plebians what to do. Personally, I am not against interracial dating but nor am I against people that do not want to date interracially. I am not about telling people who they can and cannot associate with either. If people want to form racially exclusive clubs, then that is fine with me too. I much prefer open freedom of association to the kind of sneaky devices people use to avoid people of other races/cultures. All I want is freedom of choice and association, and if you are OK with that, then I am OK with you.

    Just as I was writing this I noticed that All White Dating had their account suspended. I want to say that I support All White Dating’s right to freedom of speech and association regardless of whether people think that All White Dating is a good or bad thing.

  15. comment number 15 by: Darin

    Sorry, I was out.

    First, I see your site was taken down, and I do not agree with that. You’re probably wondering why I disagree, so I will explain. You never got to explain yourself either way before the plug was pulled. I don’t think that is right.
    Now, for the site itself. I think I need to better explain myself.

    1) I have no problems with same-race relationships in the same way I have no problems with interracial relationships.
    2) What I do have a problem with is something that seems to deny service to someone based only on their race.

    Accordingly, I left with a question, what happens if someone who is not white registers for the site? If they are deleted, then I have no more questions, I think the site is wrong. If they are allowed to continue on without being turned away by the administration, that is not a problem in my book. However it’s safe to assume no one will talk to them because that’s not what the other people are their for, but the establishment can’t turn the person away.

    As for the other sites you listed that do the same thing, I think they are wrong in the same way. I admit I didn’t do an exhaustive search on Google for sites such as that, I just searched for “[random race] dating” and looked at the results. I didn’t find any that seemed as though they closed the doors to people based on their race.

    Lastly real quick:

    and to be white and proud of your culture and history is usually met with shrills of racist, bigot, Nazi, ect ect ect..

    I can understand what you mean here 100%. Just like most every other white person growing up in America, I have been accused off being a racist before for no good reason. But I never opened a buisiness that closes it’s doors to people based on their race. (Again, this is the point, do you close the doors on anyone not white or just create an environment for people who are white and looking for other white people to interact in?) To be honest, I don’t know what I was accused of being racists for. I can understand your feelings on this issue. But I am concerned that you’re doing something that falls onto different grounds.

  16. comment number 16 by: jaebea

    I agree with a lot of the sentiment here. I think AWD have a case for themselves, considering the plethora of similar sites for other ethnic/religious groups.

    For what it’s worth, if a woman has no interest in dating a person of a different ethnicity, why would I be offended? Do I know this person? Has it affected me in any way? What difference is there in a white woman only wishing to meet white men when plenty of other ethnicities lay claim to the same desires?

    I strongly support AWD’s right to freedom of speech in this case. I don’t think it racially vilifies, or targets any other race or religion.

    For the record, I’m non-white.

  17. comment number 17 by: Darin

    For what it’s worth, if a woman has no interest in dating a person of a different ethnicity, why would I be offended? Do I know this person? Has it affected me in any way? What difference is there in a white woman only wishing to meet white men when plenty of other ethnicities lay claim to the same desires?

    That’s not my point. Refer to my original post:

    Now if you’re against dating outside of your race, I guess that’s really not anyones business other then your own because that alone isn’t harming anyone…

    My point is a site that rejects members based on one condition and one condition alone, race, is a problem. I realize I didn’t make that clear enough in the original post, but you can see the statement in any of my comments in response. For example my comment before your comment:

    2) What I do have a problem with is something that seems to deny service to someone based only on their race.

    That is my issue with the site.

    For the record, I’m non-white.

    That’s a whole different issue right there. I don’t think one being white or not being white makes them any more or less qualified to contribute their thoughts to the issue. I remember my freshmen year in college, we had an “anti-racisism seminar” at our school that was mandatory for all students. The speakers’ message was simple, “you white people are all racists – you white people are incapable of understanding what racism is because you’re all racists – you need us to tell you what racism is, you dirty white racists.” Frankly that pissed me off to no end.

    However, I do not think that is even close to what you are saying. I think you are only acknowledge there are many people out there who think ones race makes them better or less qualified to discuss what racism is, and stating your own race either way. Since I have no problem with your last statement, it’s probably weird for me to put this many words to it, but I’m just thinking ‘out loud’.

    Again, people may date whomever they want, “it’s a free country” and all that jazz, but a business may not deny service to people based on their race. Yet we still do not know if that is in fact what this web site does. Does anyone know what happens if someone who is non-white signs up for the site? I was hoping the administrator would answer that question, and I hope they do return and answer.

  18. comment number 18 by: Matt

    Yet we still do not know if that is in fact what this web site does. Does anyone know what happens if someone who is non-white signs up for the site?

    Randomcows profile is still there, but I think its safe to say that non-whites are excluded because the site advertises ‘all white dating’. It would be false advertising if whites had their profiles up but received messages from non whites.

  19. comment number 19 by: AWD

    Thanks so far for the feedback on the site. The comments have (mostly) been well thought and constructive. I’ll get straight on to Matt’s concerns regarding exclusion of non-whites. The whole point of the site is quite clear, as you say “It would be false advertising if whites had their profiles up but received messages from non whites.” This does not mean that non-whites are excluded from online dating, as I pointed out earlier, their are many site that cater for all types of color, creed, sexual orientation ect. But to accept non-whites as members would be nonsensical. Its like a vegetarian restaurant serving up rib eye steaks, people just wouldn’t go there.
    The bottom line is that people should have the freedom to choose and as the world bends over backwards to cater for all races and religions the white race is being forgotten.
    The site is not about white supremacy nor does it defame other races and If non-whites are offended by what is quite simply a dating site for whites to meet other whites then unfortunately they have become a victim of the liberal medias victim culture.
    Remember the the right to choose is one of the fundamental rights of human kind.

  20. comment number 20 by: T_K

    jaebea,

    Of course, no-one’s proposing that people be forced to become open-minded. When I said that I’m insulted by racism, I didn’t mean that sites like AWD or jewishfriendfinder should be shut down.
    I think we can all agree that censorship has no place in a civilised society.

    That said, I think it’s only reasonable for normal people to be hurt by that kind of sentiment. From the blog I linked to:
    “Suppose you are a high school student, and there is a relatively large group of elite students who always keep to themselves and never interact with others in school. You try to get to know some of them, but they coldly brush you aside. Rationally speaking, there is no crime in what they are doing to you. They just want to keep to themselves. They are not interfering with your life. There is no law that says they have to be friendly with you or they have to show interest in what you do.

    This is a free country; they are free to pursue their own interests. Their anti-social behavior does not break any laws; it just offends the feelings of others. Without some degree of willingness on the part of the elites to get to know and understand the others, this tension will never go away.”

    IOW, this sort of thinking makes you part of the problem of racism. There’s a difference between not being currently interested in a person of another ethnicity and consciously avoiding contact with other ethnicities. I’d just like to hear a reason from a person who won’t date non-whites, non-Koreans or non-Jews (something not related to freedom of speech, since we’ve established that already).

    (sorry about the length, btw)

  21. comment number 21 by: Darin

    This does not mean that non-whites are excluded from online dating, as I pointed out earlier, their are many site that cater for all types of color, creed, sexual orientation ect. But to accept non-whites as members would be nonsensical. Its like a vegetarian restaurant serving up rib eye steaks, people just wouldn’t go there.

    However excluding someone from a business because they are non-white is illegal in many countries around the world. I have the same problems with the sites you linked to as I do with your site as I’ve mentioned multiple times now. There is no law governing what kind of food one can and can not serve. That is my bottom line. I’m not against people choosing their own partners under whatever qualifications they specify, I’m against illegal actions, such as racial discrimination.

    The bottom line is that people should have the freedom to choose and as the world bends over backwards to cater for all races and religions the white race is being forgotten.

    So don’t people have the freedom to choose what site they do and don’t register for as well? Or is that freedom exempted somewhere? Look, I understand your feelings on reverse racism, and I’ve experienced it myself before, but two wrongs don’t make a right. Racial discrimination is racial discrimination, denying people access to a business because of their race is racial discrimination, and it is illegal. Individuals have the right to choose, businesses are not afforded such rights. I see that as the bottom line.

  22. comment number 22 by: jaebea

    I fail to see how this is any different to say, a gay matchmaking service or any other similar site dependent on a specific trait or characteristic. If there was an “amputee friend finder” and a non-amputee decided to join, would there not be reasonable grounds for moderators to remove said profile to protect the common interests of the larger community of the website as a whole?

    I’d just like to hear a reason from a person who won’t date non-whites, non-Koreans or non-Jews

    Ask any number of Korean males, many of whom refuse to date non-Korean or non-Japanese women. You’ll find they have many common arguments as AWD has put forth.

  23. comment number 23 by: Darin

    Again, as I said before numerous times yet everyone seems to ignore, my issue is not who people choose to and choose not to date, my issue is with a business turning people away people based on their race. There are laws about this.

    ‘Keeping it pure’ and ‘race’ are troubled combination of words. One may choose who the race of their partner, that is their right; for those people, there is the magic ‘pull-down menu’ from which they can select their match’s race before they hit the search button. But a business is not supposed to operate in such ways.

    I don’t know how else I can put to honestly. Is there anyway I can word the problem so that people will actually talk about what the problem actually is? Again, the problem is NOT people wanting to or not wanting to date out of their race. The problem, is a business turning people away based on their race. That is all their is to it.

    On a final note, this time for the administrator him/herself, you’re going to have a hard time convincing anyone of this:

    The site is not about white supremacy nor does it defame other races and If non-whites are offended by what is quite simply a dating site for whites to meet other whites then unfortunately they have become a victim of the liberal medias victim culture.

    … when you’re two news articles are about a decline in white population (which your site intends to save?) with one ending with, “What would happen if the race that has contributed the most to the scientific/cultural advancement of humanity vanishes?” stating that whites are the superior cultural and scientific knowledge race. Regardless of whether or not we all agree on the legality of what you’re doing (again, no one seems to actually address what I consider to be the issue), I think most people can agree that you’d better change those news articles fast before more people see the site. If you change it to a message to the potential user that says your site can do things for them even when others have failed, you’ll have a much better case.

  24. comment number 24 by: qbe9584

    Darin’s being consistent. Going back to the vegetarian restaurant analogy, there is a difference with a vegetarian restaurant that won’t serve steak, and one that won’t let someone who likes steak through the doors. If the site is all white dating, anybody should be able to join, but if they aren’t white, then they will leave because nobody will date them (no steak on the menu). Closing the doors isn’t the way to go. As for the other sites, I will quote Lance Armstrong in saying “…they tested positive for being a$$holes.”

  25. comment number 25 by: jaebea

    I agree with Darin on AWD’s choice of “supporting articles”. It reeks of white supremacist rhetoric and undermines any real attempt to secure the website as a valid option for the demographic you’re after. Why should they choose your portal over any other (larger, more established) sites which enable users to sort searches by race to begin with?

    The bottom line is that people should have the freedom to choose and as the world bends over backwards to cater for all races and religions the white race is being forgotten.

    You’re just making your hole larger. This sort of attempt at reverse affirmative action comes off as bitter and someone who’s had a good dose of sour grapes.

    AWD’s premise is sound, but the execution lacks refinement and seems to be based on misguided principles.

  26. comment number 26 by: AWD

    However excluding someone from a business

    You keep going on about business.. Firstly my site is free with no revenue from ads or clicks so I would describe it more like a community. Secondly I’m not asking anyone to join a business i’m suggesting that they get listed on a data base of like minded people. I don’t want any business partners thank you (unless Richard Branson is reading this and has a spare million to invest)

    for those people, there is the magic ‘pull-down menu’ from which they can select their match’s race before they hit the search button

    Your missing the point. Lets say a girl joins the site that states it is a site for whites to meet other whites, and put up her details and as she is a bit old fashioned, she sits back and waits for a suitable guy to contact her. The next day she logs on and sees she has some people wanting to contact her, she checks out the profile and notices that the potential date is non-white, now she feels let down by the site and cancels her membership. jaebea highlights the point perfectly when his/her “amputee friend finder” analogy, the same goes for a myriad of different groups.

    Finally about the news articles; You got me pondering on this on. But after a bit of researching other racially exclusive sites (dating and other)I found other races have no issues with celebrating their achievements (rightly so). or is it that you question the achievements of the white race? If so that is a topic for debate and i welcome you comments on this. Maybe it is the statistical data that you question? If so do you have conflicting data?.
    The whole point of the articles is to get people to join up. Its like sales pitch, its that simple.

    Now this really is “the bottom line”

  27. comment number 27 by: randomcow

    Dude, your sales-pitch articles suck. Seriously.

    But the rest of the site is ok. Good luck with it!

    RC

  28. comment number 28 by: Richardson

    Addressing Darin’s point, I’m not sure if it would be illegal or not. For starters, and as pointed out in comments, there many dating sites based on ethnicity, religion, and race that have been in operation for years. If it is legal for them to operate and exclude those who do not fit that profile, I see no reason it would not be the same in this case. To select this particular site out of all the others would be a clear-cut case of reverse discrimination.

    Later it is pointed out in the string that the service is free and not a business, but I’m not sure that matters. For the sake of debate, let’s assume it is a business. In that case, it is not a matter of refusing to sell a generic item or service like food or clothes. The customers would be seeking a service, and that service would be to meet suitable partners of a certain race. Thus anyone not of that certain race – be it the site in question or a Black/Latino/Asian site – would not be the commodity in demand. You go for a service, but are also must be a commodity in demand. From another angle, if I’m a broker for clients who want to purchase red materials, and I reject you because you’re trying to sell me blue material, oh well.

    In general terms, I think condemning the site because it caters to those who want to date only other whites is too politically correct and, unless similarly critical of all dating sites that focus on a race or ethnicity, a form of reverse discrimination.

    On that site specifically, perhaps they should rename it to “All White Breeding,” as their focus is on ensuring the survival of the race rather than just allowing people to hook up. I also wonder how white one would have to be. Fifty percent? Seventy-five percent? How about half-white and half-Asian?

  29. comment number 29 by: eli

    Most people date within their ethnicity subconsciously. Others are conscious about it and specifically seek out those of their own race. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the site, but I wouldn’t use it either. People don’t put up a stink about sites like J-Date so why this one?

  30. comment number 30 by: Matt

    Here is a dating service that matches Japanese women and Korean men. Only Korean males are allowed.


  31. […] This is a follow up to Darin’s post about “All White Dating“. Another dating service is offering specific racial services. This one is called “Blackenize”. Unlike All White Dating, which restricts its membership to white people only, Blackenize restricts its membership to black men and white women only. Back in January 2003, a clever black man, named Byron Veasey, decided to start a new interracial community for black men and white women. He really had no thought of what to call it. This black man, named after the poet, Lord Byron, then went back and re-read some of his posts on another message interracial community, WF4BM.net. He had been a moderator on that forum but wanted an online community that was friendly and supportive. He had posted a humorous story with the name Blackenize. He decided that the word Blackenize had such a strong meaning, he decided to use it for his new community. Blackenize was born. This interracial community for black men and white women went from being an MSN community to becoming Blackenize.com in March 2003. The idea was to have an online interracial group focused on friendship and being a support group for interracial relationships between black men and white women. […]