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Another problematic article in the Korean media

November 30th, 2006 . by Matt

Here is another article in the Korean media on Naver news (originally from Yonhap) that is distorting historical information to make it seem like Korea controlled or even knew of Dokdo/Takeshima before 1905. There are so many articles like this that it is no wonder Koreans think that they rightfully own Dokdo/Takeshima. Lets take a look.

takeshima stick

The title of the article is “Japan: Death penalty for sailing around Dokdo”. The article says –

일본이 1836년 2월에 나무로 제작해 해안 곳곳에 설치했던 경고판 사진으로 ‘도해금지령’을 어기고 독도부근 해상에서 조업하던 자국의 어민을 처형했다는 내용을 담고 있다.

Translation –

In February 1836, Japan made wooden warning signs, like the one shown in the picture, and erected them at various places along the coast. The signs said that a Japanese fisherman had been executed for violating the “order against transpassing” and fishing in the waters around “Dokdo.”

Actually, this is extremely misleading. The picture above clearly says “Takeshima”, not Dokdo. Takeshima used to be the name that the Japanese called the Korean island of Ulleungdo. In 1836 Japanese people called Ulleungdo “Takeshima”, and present day Dokdo/Takeshima they called “Matsushima”. The restriction on Japanese people sailing to Korean land was a restriction on sailing to Ulleungdo, which was inhabited by Korean people, not the present day Dokdo/Takeshima that was not mentioned nor inhabited by anyone.

Here is a very brief primer for Occidentalism readers on Dokdo/Takeshima. Japan has known about Dokdo/Takeshima for hundreds of years, and has maps hundreds of years old with Dokdo/Takeshima in its scientifically correct location with measurements for latitude and longitude. Korea on the other hand has no record of Dokdo/Takeshima at all before 1905. Not a single map, Document or mention anywhere. Not even one. Far from Korea being able to prove that they ever controlled Dokdo/Takeshima or was part of Korea, Koreans cannot even show they even knew about Dokdo/Takeshima before 1905. Japan formally claimed Dokdo/Takeshima in 1905.

One day the Dokdo myth will be exploded in Korea, and when it happens Koreans will be exposed to psychological pain from all the energy they have devoted to it. It is only a matter of time before some truth loving Koreans start noticing the inconsistencies and start speaking out against it.


37 Responses to “Another problematic article in the Korean media”

  1. comment number 1 by: tomato

    It’s really pathetic that they are continuingly “discovering” new evidence to validate their claim on the island. This should not be happening at all…it just shows that their occupation of the island in 1954 was based on very weak grounds- usually that is called “illegal”.

    The first problem with the “evidence” above is that they got Takeshima wrong, like Matt saids (they keep on doing this mix-up: are they stupid or something?). So it’s another blunder on the side of the Koreans. Just to note that this warning sign is famous in Japan, and it is used as evidence to show that the Japanese government at the time regarded going to Takeshima (=Ulleng-do) was illegal crossover to Korea, but not to Matsushima (=Takeshima of today).

    Second, they completely neglect the fact that the Japanese claim on the island in 1905 is based on the legal doctrine of “no-man’s land”, therefore, if the Koreans have no records of thier own showing that they have been using the island before the Japanese, it doesn’t prove anything.

  2. comment number 2 by: fukinoto

    Thanks for posting this issue, Matt.
    I think korean Media is indeed problematic,
    but Korean Professors are more problematic.
    They are helping each other, misleading Koreans(mostly netizens?)
    and brainwashing people, by telling them half lies.
    The article is posted on Dec 3rd, and original of this article posted on Dec. 2nd.
    Original Article
    Japanese Version

    The professor Kim Mungil gave the media that picture of wooden sign as a
    new proof, but there’s an interesting secret behind the pic.

    It’s in Japanese, but take a look at the pictures of wood. There’s a three of them.Check Out this article

    The writer concluded that Prof. Kim hadn’t carried any
    research, but just copied a japanese book for a evedence.

    Having read the book about Aizuya Yaemon, who was executed by going
    to Takeshima, even though he got the legal permission of to Matsushima,
    Kim should have known Takeshima is Ullung-do of today.

    If Kim has reed the book, he is telling a lie about Takeshima, and
    if he couldn’t read japanese,which is impossible to be a Professor of
    japanese faculty, he is also telling a lie about his ability.

    I wish truth loving Koreans find out what this is all about.

  3. comment number 3 by: Billy Black

    Well, I stumbled on to this blog by accident; I was checking out Asian foods believe it or not. And I must say it ruined my appetite.
    Your blog, although it seems to have interesting articles, have very strong anti-Korean sentiment.
    I see the intention of your numerous posts to be nothing but hate fueling. Who is the intended target of your writing? Your friends who seem to share your view in comment section? Is it occasional Koreans who fume off with their limited English whom you seem to enjoy? Or is it someone like me, a bystander who either gets carried along in the wave of your hate or swim against it.
    What purpose does a posting such as the one that talks about video game serve other than another reason for these people to hate each other? Os is it that you want the whole world to hate Koreans? I doubt majority of Koreans or Japanse are proficient in English to read your blog. So it must be for the consumption of every English speaking people on the net. You want everyone to hate Koreans. Well, I’m Canadian and I love Koreans, I love Japanese, and I love hockey.
    Whatever merit your article/research on Dokdo/Takeshima, it is lost due to your obvious hate. Is it because Koreans are not treating you nicely? Get used to it, not a whole of people like Americans these days.
    A word of advice, why don’t you try and take a more neutral stance when dealing with a sensitive subject next time, eh?

  4. comment number 4 by: ponta

    Let me emphasize the fact that as of 1906, Korean (local) government did not know where the Tokdo is.

    On March 28, Zinzai Yutaro and his party visited Ullungdo County Chief Sim Hung-t’aek and notifiedhim of the Japanese incorporation of Takeshima/Tokdo. Surprised at the unexpected news, Shim reported immediately to the central government the next day as follows: Mr Shim’s quote is boxed in red in the official document below.

    “Tokdo belonging to this county is located in the sea 100 ri from this county. link

    100ri= 40km
    But, the distance from Ullegundo to Dokdo/takeshima is 92km.
    (BTW as a result, the central government did not protest because it knew Dokdo/takeshima belonged to Japan, though it protested Tokyo on other matters)

    Even as of 1948, Korean historian 崔南善 didn’t include Dokdo/takeshima as Korean territory

  5. comment number 5 by: seouldout

    Billy Black:

    I doubt majority of Koreans or Japanese are proficient in English to read your blog.

    Strikes me that this prejudice. What evidence do you have, Billy?

    And the you-must-be-American assumption. Billy, there are more English speakers than just them ‘Mercans. Or is “American” just a generic word you use for those views differ from your own?

    Neutral stance, Billy? Why don’t you practice what you preach? This is a site that involves the discussion of controversial topics, so that neutrality thing won’t be so evident. No likey? Put your apron back on a get back in the kitchen.

    Stumbled on this site while looking for recipes. Bollocks!

  6. comment number 6 by: sqz

    カナダでは、嘘つきに「それは嘘だ」と誰一人言ってはならないのか?
    In Canada, must nobody say to a liar “It is a lie”?
    相手が友達であればなおさら「嘘をついてはいけない」と注意すべきと思うが。
    If he is a friend, I think that everybody can warn to “Must not tell a lie”.

  7. comment number 7 by: tambe

    Apparently, to question the blatant lies of another country constitutes being “anti-(insert)” or a hate-site.

    This is as useful a framework for discourse as the idea that criticism of American policy is “anti-Americanism”.

    As long as it is kept away from race, culture is up for attack. If your culture is one where women get their asses kicked in public, your going to get criticized. If your culture lies and lies and lies and lies and lies as a RULE then your going to get criticized. If your culture claims as her own every Asian and non-Asian invention/institution under the sun, your going to get criticized.

    There are literally thousands upon thousands of sites dedicated to criticizing the USA. As far as I know, there is ONE (English site) that picks apart Korean idiocy. And the Koreans can’t handle it. It makes them crazy. Get used to it!

    The Koreans don’t know it yet, but Matt is helping them. They need to be calmed down and snapped into shape.

    Bill Black. Yeah, Asian “food”. Uh-hu. Back to the porn and your real (korean) name.

  8. comment number 8 by: Toshiharu Honda

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    If the Japanese give Dokdo to Korea without proper acknowledgment of its status as historical Japanese territory, then Dokdo will be used in the future to fuel anti-Japanese sentiment. They will say “Japan tried to steal Dokdo”. The final disposition of Dokdo (ie, who ends up keeping it) is unimportant. What is important is that it is known that Dokdo is historically Japanese territory so it cannot ever be used as a tool to promote anti-Japanese racism or activism.

  10. comment number 10 by: ponta

    @Toshiharu Honda

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    Korean people are adults too.

  11. comment number 11 by: minami562

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    I find it odd that no one EVER says this to the Koreans. What gives?

    Oh, and hi everyone, first-time poster here. Please be gentle.
    はじめてなの...やさしくして。

  12. comment number 12 by: Toshiharu Honda

    TO: ponta

    I do not think so. Probably you don’t either.(I am pretty sure about this)
    If the ICJ declares Takeshima belongs to Japan, Koreans would be
    humiliated and cry foul.

  13. comment number 13 by: Fantasy

    I do not think so. Probably you don’t either. I am pretty sure about this. If the ICJ declares Takeshima belongs to Japan, Koreans would be humiliated and cry foul.

    Yes, ideed, right you are, they would. And do you consider this a reason for Japan to give up its legitimate claim ?

  14. comment number 14 by: Two Cents

    Funny. I read that Ulleundgo was effectively controlled by Japan during the Edo period for more than 80 years. Then Ahn shows up and the Koreans realized that their “empty-island-policy” had allowed Japan to take over Ullengdo and complained. The Shogunate goes over all evidence, and concludes that the Chosun’s claim is valid, and the shogun returns Ulleungdo island (Takeshima), as a show of friendship. His elders scolds him that territories are not to be given away so easily. Guess the elders were right. If the shogun hadn’t been so considerate and friendly, we wouldn’t have this problem now.

    The Japanese had reasons for going to Takeshima (then called Matsushima). It was a major stopover to the fertile seas of Ulleungdo. I wonder what reason Koreans had for coming all the way out in the sea towards Japan when all overseas travel was more strictly prohibited than Japan and punishable by death.

  15. comment number 15 by: shadkt

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    This guy obviously does not know the concept of EEZ or about
    international politics involved in national security.

    I don’t know. Either he’s really young (Young Rocco!) and naive, or he has hidden agendas. I’m really interested in his IP 😀

    Anyhow, Japan is not an elder brother or mom to baby Korea.
    If only Korea would be man enough to come to the ICJ!
    That’ll be the day, eh.

  16. comment number 16 by: ponta

    Toshiharu Honda
    Thanks

    I do not think so. Probably you don’t either.(I am pretty sure about this).

    To be sure some of them reacted in an immature way on this blog, and they have distorted imformation about the colonial period and Dokdo but I have never treated Korean people as a kid,, I have treated them as people capable of debating and discussing. That is the my point of commenting here.
    Do you think all the Korean people are inherently immature and childish and they will never change?
    ,

    If the ICJ declares Takeshima belongs to Japan, Koreans would be
    humiliated and cry foul

    Many of them might be. But they will learn from it. Sometimes people have to learn it hard way, you have to let them learn it hard way.

  17. comment number 17 by: tomato

    Yeah, Honda-guy, you’re the only grown-up here, that’s for sure!

  18. comment number 18 by: showgee

    Honda-san says:

    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    Well, I have some proverbs to share with you. What do you think?
    English:
    Who lets another sit on shoulder, will soon have him on his head.
    Give him an inch and he will take an ell(a yard)
    Give knaves an inch and they will take a mile.
    Could I just simply say, “What do you want? Egg in your beer?” Is this an obsolete expression?
    Chinese:
    得寸进尺。
    Japanese:
    庇(ひさし)を貸して母屋(おもや)を取られる | 寸を与えれば尺を望む
    Give them Takeshima and they will demand Tsushima.
    That’s what I am afarid might happen.
    Well, we all can learn a lot from proverbs and quotes either they are English, Chinese or Japanese origin, don’t we? for they have survived for hundreds or thousands of years haveing been filtered through time and history.

    “The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes.” — Adolf Hitler
    “Some of the best lessons we ever learn are learned from past mistakes. The error of the past is the wisdom and success of the future.”
    — Dale E. Turner

  19. comment number 19 by: Toshiharu Honda

    showgee-san

    We also have sayings which go something like:

    The loser is a real winner.
    負けるが勝ち

    The rich won’t fight.
    金持ち喧嘩せず

  20. comment number 20 by: Toshiharu Honda

    showgee-san

    Here is a good British proverb.

    Penny-wise, pound-foolish

  21. comment number 21 by: kojibomb

    hey guys…. is it true that meiji govt once said that takeshima is not Japanese?

    Historical Geography of Great Japan (大日本地名辞書, Dai Nippon Chimei Jisho?), 1900) records that when the local government of Shimane prefecture asked the Japanese Meiji government whether Dokdo would be merged into Shimane, the government in 1877 responded that Japan had no relation with the islets

    because Koreans now seem to use this to say that takeshima is theirs…

  22. comment number 22 by: tomato

    kojimomb,

    Oh, that’s an oldie…I’ll leave it to the other to refute it.

  23. comment number 23 by: ponta

    Kojimob
    Newly discovered document for Korean title to Dokdo!?

  24. comment number 24 by: kojibomb

    so when did Japan start calling matsushima, takeshima??

    but I got it…
    its basically same as http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LOD&office_id=001&article_id=0001457076&section_id=001&menu_id=001 this artical, which matt posted before.

    thx =p

  25. comment number 25 by: ponta

    Kojimob
    Dokdo is not difficult issue.

    Japan has documents and maps about Dokdo from Edo period.
    Japan has clear evidences for the effective control over Dokdo.

    Korea has none.

    For Korea’s claim to be valid, Korea needs to show she recognized Dokdo, and she had effective control over Dokdo.
    Gerry’s post completely refuted it.

    Korean claim that Japanese imperialism invaded Dokdo is correct only if Korean had already recognized Dokdo and had effective control over Dokdo before.
    Gerry’s post completely crushed the supposition..

    At certain period, Japan was confused about the islands. and some Japan maps lacks Dokdo on them.(Korean has no maps of Dokdo

    So Korean people are nitpicking some Japanese maps and documents about Dokdo, but it does not change the fact that Japan had effective control over Dokdo until Korea illegally started occupying it.

  26. comment number 26 by: GarlicBreath

    Toshiharu Honda Said:

    A bunch of rocks are nothing but peanuts.
    Let’s give them away to koreans.
    That is what a matured adult is supposed to do.

    Korea already took them. However Korea wants to deny Japan her right to even claim them. How is that for childish. Honda Kim, please tell your korean friends and family to act like an adult about this issue.

  27. comment number 27 by: Ocebey

    I think that deciding immediatly and unilateraly that this Toshiharu Honda is actually a Korean is rather childish. He just show a pretty common feature japaneses have about this issue which is that it just bother them to discuss it with Koreans as Koreans just CAN’T discuss about this in an amiable manner.

    Now it wouldn’t necesseraly be a bad idea to give away the islands to the Korean if at the same time something could be obtained out of it. Like a recognition that this case was a proof of the good intentions of the japaneses people and government and at least a partial stop of all this government anti-japanese propaganda there is in South-Korea.
    As of now this issue will continue to be used by extremist politicians on both sides (and mainly on SK side which doesn’t need to be extreme to use it).

    There is a number of japaneses who hope to see this issue cool down. Japan already have control of enough sea, is quite present on intertional waters and rent rights of many other countries sea territory anyway.

    Then again in the present stage with the South Korean side as it is it is probably not possible to gain anything out of this move which could then be considered naive. It is quite clear for people here that for now this move would be fruitless. But maybe later that option would not be so fruitless.

  28. comment number 28 by: showgee

    Honda-san says

    We also have sayings which go something like:
    The loser is a real winner. 負けるが勝ち

    I think this one actually means ‘Yielding is sometimes the best way of succeeding’. And it only can be used among “matured adults” who understand the rule to play. I wonder if they do

    The rich won’t fight. 金持ち喧嘩せず

    The real meaning of this one is ‘The rich never argue with others, mostly the poor, because they know no profit can be obtained out of the arguments’. And I know the Republic of Korea is not a poor nation.

    Here is a good British proverb.
    Penny-wise, pound-foolish

    I prefer the following one. ‘Take care of the pence and the pounds will take care of themselves’. (小事を軽んずるなかれ)

    “I am in earnest; I will not equivocate; I will not excuse; I will not retreat a single inch; and I will be heard.”
    “With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plea; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost.”
    —- William Lloyd Garrison/US abolitionist & editor (1805 – 1879)

    I like the above arguments-related quotes. Of course I do not think Korean government is a tyrant though.
    Let’s get this case settled at ICJ.In In September 1954, Japan protested and suggested arbitration action at the ICJ, but the offer was fiercely rejected by South Korea. Since then it’s been rejected without proper reasons for more than a half a century. Let’s face it now. That’s the only solution to end this forever-going-nowhere arguments between the two.

  29. comment number 29 by: myCoree

    Hollo,showgee

    Do you think Korea is so poor and Japan rich? Whatever…
    That is not related to this problem.

    I came to know that Korean government is not a group of liars.
    That is the truth. Half-truth ? ^_^ No. Never.
    They don’t tell lies about “Dok-do”. But, Some may be unintentional falsities.
    Let’s suppose that there are a few lies from some one or group.
    If so, can you say that they are liars?
    “Liar” means someone who says some lies habitually. Koreans don’t.
    Don’t you have any experience telling a lie? If so, are you a liar?

    I think many of you are distorting some facts about Korea – mainly about Dokdo.

    It’s a pity that most Japanese think that Tsushima belonged to Japan from the ancient age. Japan incorporated Tsushima into their territory not long ago. There was a clear reason why Lee Seung-man claimed Japan for Tsushima as well as Dokdo.

    Do you know why Korea don’t go to ICJ to settle the Dokdo-Takeshima dispute? Do you think it is clear Korea will lose at the court? Korea is afraid of only “1%” probability of losing it.

    I will not respond again to any response from you because I am not so idle.

    Have a nice day, everyone.

  30. comment number 30 by: pacifist

    myCoree,

    Here is an example of the Korean lies. To follow is one of the “News” concerning Dokdo written in the Korean government official homepage on November 20th 2006.

    http://www.korea.net/News/News/NewsView.asp?serial_no=20061120001

    The title of the news is “Tokyo admits existence of gov’t document identifying Dokdo as non-Japanese territory”.

    It was not a new source, it was about the Japanese document by Dajoukan. The document has been famous among the scholars, not new one. It only stated that Ulleungdo (Takeshima) and another island were not Japanese territories. It didn’t mention Matsushima (Dokdo) or Dokdo. Japanese scholars think the another island meant one of the small islands beside Ulleungdo.

    The news claimed, “The document describes Dokdo and nearby Ulleungdo as not being part of Japan, and says the islands should not be included in its territory on official maps”. (But it didn’t describe such things because the name of Dokdo had not been used in these days. It only mentioned “another one island”.)

    This is the way Korean government’s distortion of history.
    1) There was not the name “Dokdo” in 1877 because the name Dokdo has been used since the eary 20th century. So the title of the news is misleading.
    2) Apparently Japanese government admitted that there was the document. (But it doesn’t mean that the document meant Ulleungo and Dokdo were not Japanese territories.)
    3) But Japanese government didn’t approve the Korean government’s thought that it mentioned Dokdo.

    So it’s true about the former half of the title “Tokyo admits existence gov’t document” but the latter half (identifying Dokdo as non-Japanese territory) is not true.

    This is the way of distoted history of Korean government using half-truths and lies. And many Korean people have no doubt in reading “news” written in the official homepage. How terrible!

    ——————————————————

    Here is another example.
    Korean government has always written such phrases;
    “In the past, Koreans have variously used Usando, Sambongdo, Seokdo and Gajido (“-do” means “island”). The reason there was no continuity in these names was because, until this century, there was no residents on the Island. The first mention in official texts was as Usando in 512 in connection with a state known as Usanguk, which was incorporated into Korea’s Silla Dynasty (57 BC to 935 AD).”

    http://www.korea.net/News/Issues/issueDetailView.asp?board_no=5727

    But now every reader of this site knows that usando was not Dokdo, Sambongdo was not Dokdo, Gajido was not Dokdo and there is no proof that Seokdo was Dokdo.
    Korean scholars should know that these islands were not Dokdo but they can’t say a word favoring Japan. Korean government still keep saying these lies in their homepage.

    On the contrary, Japanese government’s homepage seems to be rational, without lies.

    http://www.mofa.go.jp/region/asia-paci/takeshima/position.html

  31. comment number 31 by: Toshiharu Honda

    showgee-san

    I am impressed with your fountain of knowledge.
    This is not a proverb but a phrase no Japanese male wants to be
    referred to as.

    A man who keeps complaining about what has already happened
    is called ”女の腐ったような男” a man like a rotten woman.

    This is why we are sick and tired of some koreans(I must repeat
    “SOME KOREANS”) who repeatedly demand Japanese apologies.

    You are book-smart while I am street-smart.

  32. comment number 32 by: Two Cents

    myCoree,
    It seems Chosun recognized Tsushima as Japanese territory in 1637.
    Below is a letter from an official of Chosun to the lord of Tsushima, saying that a Japanese who had been fishing on Takeshima (Ulleungdo) had been shipwrecked on Chosun soil by strong winds, and that the Chosun government has given him the necessary supplies to make his way back to Japan. The Chosun country curisouly did not complain to Japan about its fisherment fishing on Ulleungdo, and even called it by its Japanese name, Takeshima.

    Anyhow, it is addressed to Lord Taira, Governor of TSUSHIMA of JAPAN(日本國 對馬太守 平公; second line)
    http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=phistory&nid=73164

    So, when did Tsushima belong to Korea? Ahh, but you are too busy to answer us, right.

  33. comment number 33 by: tomato

    MyCoree,

    Just go to Tsushima and try to convince the Tsushima islanders that they are Koreans.

    BTW,

    Lee Seung-man is a Korean nationalist thug…I wonder what happened to him in the end?

  34. comment number 34 by: Two Cents

    kojibomb,
    >so when did Japan start calling matsushima, takeshima??

    1905 when it officially announced its incorporation into Japanese territory. During the Edo period, when it was used as a stopover to Ulleungdo, it was called Matsushima. After western navigators began mapping the area, it came to be called the Ryanko-to (Japanese pronunciation of Liancourt Rocks). Mistaken coordinate measurements by western navigators lead to a confusion in the names. A non-existent island was mapped to the west of Ulleungdo, and so there were three islands. Siebold, according to his information that the furthest island from Japan was called Takeshima, labeld this non-existent island Takeshima, Ulleungdo as Matsushima, and the rocks which are now Takeshima/Dokto as the Liancourt Rocks. Japan sent out an investigation committee to confirm which island was which, and confirmed that the Liancourt Rocks were what once called Matsushima by Japan. Upon incorporation in 1905, Japan used the name given to the non-existent island. Bad choice. It should have used some name like Umeshima. However, I must say the name confusion is a good litmus paper for instantly judging whether somebody is seriously reviewing history or not when they are talking about the Takeshima/Dokto issue.

  35. comment number 35 by: Gerry-Bevers

    MyCoree,

    In 1407, King Taejong recognized Tsushima as Japanese terrority.

    After King Taejong began an “empty island” policy, he ordered that residents of Ulleungdo be moved back to the mainland in 1403. Four years later, in 1407, the lord of Tsushima sent an envoy to King Taejong with tribute and a request to allow the Lord of Tsushima to move villages to Ulleungdo, which the Lord of Tsushima would rule over. King Taejong turned down the request because he feared the King of Japan would consider him a “traitor.” The envoy explained that the Japanese would not consider it treasonous as long as they did not “follow a different person.” King Taejong replied as follows:

    “That may be considered an everyday occurence within their borders, but when they cross over into another country, something may be said about it.”

    As you can see from the above quote, King Taejong considered Tsushima to be part of Japan, not Korea.

    Here is the full record from the Records of King Taejong and my translation:

    Source: 「太宗實錄」 卷 十三, 太宗 七年 三月 庚午條

    March 16, 1407

    庚午 對馬島守護宗貞茂 遣平道全 來獻土物 發還俘虜 貞茂請茂陵島 欲率其衆落徙居 上曰 若許之 則日本國 王謂我爲招納叛人 無乃生隙歟 南在 對曰 倭俗叛則必從他人 習以爲常 莫之能禁 誰敢出此計乎 上曰 在其境內 常事也 若越境而來 則彼必有辭矣

    —–

    대마도 수호(對馬島守護) 종정무(宗貞茂)가 평도전(平道全)을 보내와 토물(土物)을 바치고, 잡혀 갔던 사람들을 돌려보냈다. 정무(貞茂)가 무릉도(武陵島)885)를 청(請)하여 여러 부락(部落)을 거느리고 가서 옮겨 살고자 하므로, 임금이 말하기를,

    “만일 이를 허락한다면, 일본 국왕(日本國王)이 나더러 반인(叛人)을 불러들였다 하여 틈이 생기지 않을까?”하니, 남재(南在)가 대답하기를,

    “왜인의 풍속은 반(叛)하면 반드시 다른 사람을 따릅니다. 이것이 습관이 되어 상사(常事)로 여기므로 금(禁)할 수가 없습니다. 누가 감히 그런 계책을 내겠습니까?” 하였다. 임금이 말하였다.

    “그 경내(境內)에서는 상사(常事)로 여기지만, 만일 월경(越境)해 오게 되면 저쪽에서 반드시 말이 있을 것이다.”

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    Jong Jeong-mu (宗貞茂), the lord (수호) of Daemado (Tsushima), sent Pyeong Do-jeon (平道全) with local products as tribute, and returned people who were taken captive. Jeong-mu requested Mu-leungdo with the intent of moving several villages there to rule.

    The (Korean) king answered, “If I agree to this, the king of Japan may call me a traitor, and discord may develop between us.”

    Nam Jae answered, “The Japanese customarily believe that to betray someone means you must follow a different person. This cannot be forbidded because it is considered a customary part of their everyday life. Who would dare attempt such a scheme?”

    The king said, “That may be considered an everyday occurence within their borders, but when they cross over into another country, something may be said about it.”

    I did not know the Japanese pronunciation for the names of the Lord of Tsushima and his envoy, so I used the Korean, if someone knows the Japanese pronunciation, I will make the changes.

  36. comment number 36 by: sqz

    Do you know why Korea don’t go to ICJ to settle the Dokdo-Takeshima dispute? Do you think it is clear Korea will lose at the court? Korea is afraid of only “1%” probability of losing it.

    Though it is only 1%.
    Korea is coward chicken.

  37. comment number 37 by: tomato

    I did not know the Japanese pronunciation for the names of the Lord of Tsushima and his envoy, so I used the Korean, if someone knows the Japanese pronunciation, I will make the changes.

    It’s read So (with long “o”) Sadashige. Typical Japanese samurai name. It’s amazing people like MyCoree believe in the junk/garbage that Tsushima was “annexed” or “gobbled up” by Japan. They just don’t realize that Japan was, from around 11th up to the 19th century, a nation of regional autonomous kingdoms, and as long as the inhabitants of a particular kingdom and its rulers were Japanese, it was Japan. So Tsushima was never Korea…the inhabitants were never ethnically Koreans.

    Or, if you want to put it correctly, Tsushima was always Tsushima, an autonomous entity, and since its inhabitants were Japanese and the ruler a samurai clan, it was part of the Japanese system all along. Korean nationalists are making fools out of themselves by making such frivolous claims…