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Brave Korean gamers defend Dokdo from evil Japs

November 23rd, 2006 . by Matt

Take a look at Korean gamers crush the Japanese monsters attacking Dokdo/Takeshima.

The sad thing is that the Japanese navy has the potential to take back Dokdo/Takeshima at any time, and there would be nothing South Korea could do about it. Japan is committed to a peaceful resolution of this issue with South Korea, even though they have the naval strength to force a resolution. That should be proof to South Koreans of Japans peaceful intentions. It is sad to see the youth carrying this kind of hate in their hearts. The adults that encourage it should be ashamed.


37 Responses to “Brave Korean gamers defend Dokdo from evil Japs”

  1. comment number 1 by: Toshiharu Honda

    I posted the same in The Korea Times. At the height of the Dokdo
    dispute, hundreds of paintings by primary school children were displayed at Seoul subway stations. They all depicted Japan as devil
    inflamed by korean missiles. The kids(10 to 12 years old) should have
    been told what to paint by the teachers or parents. Seoul mayor should
    have allowed the paintings to be displayed at such public places.
    Inflaming hatred towards Japan. I wonder how SK is different from NK.
    They are hurting themselves.

  2. comment number 2 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Matt,

    What makes you think that is “Dokdo”? Dokdo is just a couple of small rocks in the Sea of Japan, and has no trees and very few plants of any kind. Also, the characters in the game seem to be using swords and bows and arrows. What is the time period supposed to be?

    Anyway, the game looks pretty boring.

  3. comment number 3 by: ponta

    protect Dokdo on line game

    Maybe Dokdo used to be larger than now? Probably Imperial Japs destroyed the large part of it, Or was it the US air force that targeted Dokdo and made it small rocks as they are now?

  4. comment number 4 by: Two Cents

    Gerry,
    Seems like it’s a special event held by a online gaming service.
    Gamers who defeat and collect the most “chonmage and geta (the hair and wooden sandals)” of the invading Japanaese get some prize.
    http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=020&article_id=0000351059&section_id=105&menu_id=105

  5. comment number 5 by: kyopou.s.

    stupid… pathetic… waste of energy and time.

  6. comment number 6 by: GarlicBreath

    The Koreans are using a high tech racism, in my opinion, not unlike what the Nazis started out doing to the Jews. As we all know the Jews ended up in the ovens. I hope the kind Japanese fight back even if it against their nature to fight.

  7. comment number 7 by: Fantasy

    stupid… pathetic… waste of energy and time.

    Whom exactly are you talking about ?

  8. comment number 8 by: Toshiharu Honda

    A volcanic eruption formed Dokdo, and hopefully will bow it off someday.

  9. comment number 9 by: Two Cents

    Toshi,
    Dokdo I believe is basaltic. Unlike dacitic eruptions, you can’t expect it to “blow up.”

  10. comment number 10 by: sqz

    日本でも、日露戦争や太平洋戦争などを題材にしたゲームは少なからずあります。
    In Japan, there is a little War Simulation Game about Japan-Russia War and Pacific War and etc.
    自分もいくつかやりました。
    I played some games.
    索敵が失敗したり、弾薬が少なかったり、色々苦労して攻略することが快感であったので、ぶっちゃけ敵がどこかなんてどうでもよかった。
    Searching for the enemy failed, ammunition was very very little,
    it was a pleasant feeling to capture through hardships in various ways.
    In flank, I did not care even if an enemy country is anywhere.
    友達は「昔は昔。今は今。」とさえ言っていました。
    My friend said “Old days is old days. Now is now.”.
    だからロシアやアメリカを嫌いになることはありませんでした。
    Therefore, I was not become to hate Russia or USA.
    もしそれと同様であれば理解できるでしょう。
    If it is same it, I can understand.

    しかし、enjoyKoreaなどをみると完全に違います。
    But, when I watch them in enjoyKorea, it is completely different.
    彼らは敵意を剥き出しにしてきます。
    They bare hostility.
    ゲームを問題視するどころか、「もっと作るべき」とか「もっと多くの人がやるべき」などと言います。
    They do not think Dokdo game to be a problem, they say “More create”, “More many people should play it”.
    彼らにとって日本は、永遠に憎むべき存在でなければならないのでしょう。
    Japan for them must be the existence that they should hate eternally.

  11. comment number 11 by: Quien Sabe

    Who cares about Dokdo besides some Korean and Japanese nationalist? It is just another instance of mumbo jumbo which some take seriously. People should be careful when talking about “Koreans” or “Japanese”. The same should be said about “Westeners”. A TV program or a movie, book, comment, quote, etc., should not be taken as representing everyone in that “community”. Every study on Dokdo or any other historic facts will be appreciated. Talking on feelings about a topic is not history and should be disregarded. Both, Koreans and Japanese, have great economic interests in the sea around those little rocks in the middle of nowhere. The rest is, as I said, just mumbo jumbo.

  12. comment number 12 by: chul_soo

    a game is a game and nothing more. it shouldnt be taken so seriously. it’s just an innocent fun.

    hello sqz
    according to ur gaming experience, u and ur friend bared no hostility, but what about the other gamers?
    koreans do not want to attack japan even if japan does take the island by force. according to history, korea is very peace loving country. many americans talk about attacking france and canada, but are they serious? nope. it’s just a talk and nothing more.
    if u go to korea, many people actually love japan, they may not love the government but that certainly does not mean that they do not like the people.
    i do not know too much about russian island known as kuril island, but i do know that there is dispute going on and japanese feel that those islands, like dokdo, should be theirs. why would japanese waste time on dokto when kuril island seems more desiralbe, after all, people could actually live there and u could see the island from the space. why dont they have “kuril island day” like they have “takeshima day”?
    japan seems to have many island dispute with her neighbors for some reason.

  13. comment number 13 by: ponta

    korea is very peace loving country

    That is a myth. I don’t think you are saying it based on historical facts. Is Korea whitewashing history?

    why would Japanese waste time on Doctor

    I don’t think Japanese government is spending much money on Dokdo.
    Deploying the coast guards to patrol in the water is necessary whether the dispute on Dokdo exists or not. That is about all J government is doing.
    And people should know Japanese in general are not excited about Dokdo at all. Before a Korea politician tried to chop his fingers, there was no media reporting about Dokdo. And as of even now there is no news report about Dokdo unless Koreans burn or bite the flag, chop the fingers, cut the belly , call the bees etc. Thanks to Roh, the dispute and the truth about Dokdo is well known now among Japanese , and most Japanese people just think let ICJ decide so that the dispute be settled peacefully and Koreans shout loud because they have to cover up the lies.

    why dont they have “kuril island day” like they have “takeshima day”

    There is a KUri day But Russians do not react like Koreans.

    japan seems to have many island dispute with her neighbors for some reason.

    Yes, many countries have many territorial disputes. And If Korea stop illegal occupation, one dispute will disappear and Japan will be happy. And If you believe Korea really is a peace-loving country, why does she reject peaceful way of the settlement?

  14. comment number 14 by: sqz

    korea is very peace loving country.

    Let’s go ICJ.

    if u go to korea, many people actually love japan, they may not love the government but that certainly does not mean that they do not like the people.

    enjoyKoreaでは竹島(独島)について、多くの韓国人が敵意を剥き出しにします。
    Many Koreans bare hostility about Takeshima (Dokdo) in enjoyKorea.
    彼らは「日本政府が」とは言わないで「日本人が嫌いだ」と言います。
    They say “I hate Japanese”, not say “Japan government”.
    「核兵器が落ちればいい」とも言います。
    They say “A nuclear weapon should fall”.
    核兵器は政府だけを攻撃することは出来ません。
    The nuclear weapon can not attack only the government.
    一般市民にも被害が出るでしょう。
    The citizen will get damage.

    I can not think that “korea is very peace loving country”.

  15. comment number 15 by: chul_soo

    hello sqz

    i do not know what enjoykorea is but i assume it is a website. there are anti-korean website for japanese such as 2ch. they say many hateful and racist things about koreans. but should we or anybody take their word seriously? of course not and i hope not. does their view represetn the view of whole japanese population even if 2ch is one of the biggest message board in the world? well i can not answer that because i have never visited japan but i hope it doesnt. what i am trying to say is sqz, u shouldnt take a quote from certain website and judge the entire group of people base on that quote.

    hello ponta
    i dont think it is possible to compare “invasion” of dokto to invasion of a country that does not belong to them. i also could talk about rape of nanking, human experiment, sex slaves, and list goes on…. well unless those are all lies and fabrications to make japan look bad….

  16. comment number 16 by: ponta

    hello chul_soo

    i dont think it is possible to compare “invasion” of dokto to invasion of a country that does not belong to them. i also could talk about rape of nanking, human experiment, sex slaves, and list goes on…. well unless those are all lies and fabrications to make japan look bad….

    ????/ I don’t understand what you mean here.
    Do you mean dokdo is just two rocks so it is plausible to invade?

    I know the listed incidents well because they are the list Korean person always brings about to demonize Japan. But what does the list mean here?

    Do you want to say Korea has never invaded other countries? Or do you want to say Korea has never massacred civilians? Do you want to say Korea has never had sex slave similar to the one during the colonization in Korea?

    I also could talk about Korean invasion of China, Japan, Vietnam that do not
    belong to Korea, the Korean massacre of Koreans, Vietnam, Chinese, and Japanese civilians, and long Korean tradition of sex slave that is still going on at present And remember ,what the Korean soldiers were infamous for during WWⅡ, and technically the war is still going on in the peninsula. But ,….could you kindly tell me what the point is?

  17. comment number 17 by: sqz

    i do not know what enjoykorea is but i assume it is a website. there are anti-korean website for japanese such as 2ch. they say many hateful and racist things about koreans. but should we or anybody take their word seriously? of course not and i hope not. does their view represetn the view of whole japanese population even if 2ch is one of the biggest message board in the world? well i can not answer that because i have never visited japan but i hope it doesnt. what i am trying to say is sqz, u shouldnt take a quote from certain website and judge the entire group of people base on that quote.

    君は2chの本当の実態を知らない。
    You do not know the true actual situation of 2ch.
    左翼もいれば右翼もいます
    There is the leftist. There is the rightist.
    韓国を非難する者もいれば賞賛する者さえいます。
    There is a person criticizing Korea.
    There is a person in admiration of Korea.
    2ch には色々な人がいます。
    There are various people in 2ch.
    君こそ一部を見て全体を評価しているのではありませんか。
    You judged all to see a part.

    Dokdo game に賛同する韓国人は見かけるが、非難する韓国人に出会ったことはいまだにありません。
    I saw a Korean to approving of Dokdo game, but I did not meet yet a Korean to criticize it.
    君でさえも。
    You did not criticize it too.

    I don’t think it is possible to compare “invasion” of dokto to invasion of a country that does not belong to them.

    (?_?)
    韓国もロシアもどちらも侵略しました。
    Korea invaded Takeshima (Dokdo).
    Russia invaded Kuril islands.
    違いは何?
    What difference?

  18. comment number 18 by: chul_soo

    hello ponta
    it’s not ONLY koreans who bring up the “list” to demonize japan. chinese, taiwanese, filipinos, american pow and dutch will agree that some or all of the things in the list did happen. why do those people want to demoize japan? after the ww2, did these people decided to have a meeting to create fabrication and lies to make japan look bad?
    korea invaded japan and china in the past? i heard of nanking massacre but never heard of tokyo massacre. please tell me when that happened. ponta, i hope u dont see me as antijapanese troll whose main agenda in life is to make japanese look bad, that’s not my intention.

    hello sqz
    as i have stated before, there are korean people who admired japan and their culture. u choose to see only anti japanese comments in certain website and judge koreans base on that. just like its not fair to pick antikorean comments from 2ch and judge japanese base on that, its not fair to pick antijapanese comments from certain website and judge korean base on that. there are many racist comments in internet against koreans and japanese, we should just ignore it.

  19. comment number 19 by: tomato

    chul_soo,

    About “2-channel”, I thinks it’s a hate site, and I do see troubled people writing hate-based comments in it. But it’s essentialy garbage. I don’t think anyone in the Japanrese mainstream takes 2-channel postings seriously. The problem with S Korea is that you see the mainstream media and government officials being very anti-Japan, and tell 2-channel-like stories when it comes to the relationship with Japan. If I see Yomiuri or Asahi newspapers doing Anti-Korea campaigns, then I will believe you…but that just isn’t the case.

  20. comment number 20 by: Calagatha

    there are anti-korean website for japanese such as 2ch. they say many hateful and racist things about koreans. but should we or anybody take their word seriously? of course not and i hope not. does their view represetn the view of whole japanese population even if 2ch is one of the biggest message board in the world?

    Although I’d rather lurk behind the side lines & enjoy the spectacle from a far, I just had to jump in to point out that 2ch is not a racist forum.
    The reason why 2ch is one of the largest forums in the world is because they have multiple boards & forums dedicated to every single subject imaginable.
    2ch has multiple bbs/forums for politics,pop culture,video games,movies,sports,music,fashion,porn,etc.

    http://www.2ch.net/2ch.html

    Here’s an engrish translation of the many forums that populate 2ch.

    http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/?wb_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.2ch.net%2F2ch.html&submit=Translate&wb_dis=2&wb_lp=JAEN&wb_co=excitejapan

    Doesn’t look very “anti korean” IMO.
    In fact those “anti korean” sentiments that you refer to are usually made by commenters within the forums.
    You can’t accuse a web site of being racist, simply because some of their posters don’t adere to the tos or are more vocal & upfront about their opinions.

    IMO it’s some what misleading how you (chul_soo) identify 2ch as a “racist anti-korean” website.
    You make it sound as if that’s all people talk about at 2ch.
    When in reality it just happens to be one of the many subjects that people discuss at 2ch.
    There are those who do love or hate korea at 2ch,and than there are most (the majority) who are apathetic & could care less.

    It just irks moi how you exaggerate one negative aspect of 2ch, and amplify it by making it sound as if the whole 2ch network is composed of “anti korean” racists.
    It’s nowhere near the level of bigotry that you make it seem to be.
    Quite frankly I see more anti japanese bs at english japanese forums such as crisscross or any other forum that caters to the “asian american” community.
    2ch is nothing when compared to some of the posts that I see in “asian american” online communities. Most of whom spend most of their time antagonizing the japanese & americans.

    Hmm, kinda like the whole dokdo issue.
    It wasn’t all that important until a certain government (korea) blew the whole situation way out of proportion.

    About “2-channel”, I thinks it’s a hate site, and I do see troubled people writing hate-based comments in it. But it’s essentialy garbage. I don’t think anyone in the Japanrese mainstream takes 2-channel postings seriously.

    I disagree,2ch is not a hate site,
    I use the 2ch boards for info concerning entertainment media. (videogames,movies), and I have yet to see anything that is overtly racist. (I’m guessing all the racist drivel is contained within the politic forums.)

    Yes I do sometimes see posts that are as over the top as Takeshima’s posts, but IMO that’s not enough to qualify the whole community as a “hate site”.

  21. comment number 21 by: sqz

    Calagatha, thank you.
    僕の言いたい事を言ってくれました。
    You said that I wanted to say.
    たぶん彼は無視しつづけるでしょうが。
    Probably, chul_soo will continue ignoring it.

    chul_soo,
    例えば君がここで、反日韓国人とは違う態度を示すのも一つの方法です。
    For example, it is one method that you show a manner different from an anti-Japan Korean here.
    しかし、君は日本を非難しました。
    However, you criticized Japan about Takeshima(Dokdo).
    enjoyKorea反日韓国人と同じです。
    You are same anti-Japan Korean in enjoyKorea.
    それでは説得力がありません。
    Then there is not persuasive power.

  22. comment number 22 by: chul_soo

    hello sqz
    just bc i disagree with u about dokto issue does not mean i am anti japanese. i have no ill feelings towards japanese.

    hello calagatha
    okay, thank u for ur information. my college friend, who is an international student from japan, once told me that 2ch is full of anti korean trolls who post racist stuff and make anti korean flash games. i should have done some research b4 i label it as a hate site.

  23. comment number 23 by: ponta

    hello chul_soo
    Thanks

    it’s not ONLY Koreans who bring up the “list” to demonize japan. chinese, taiwanese, filipinos, american pow and dutch will agree that some or all of the things in the list did happen.

    It is mainly Koreans who shout loud and demonize Japan.
    (I think China is changing.)
    .

    Let’s take Filipinos for instance.

    Filipinos rarely mention the Japanese atrocity during WWⅡ. When they mention it, it is about what happen in the Philippines, for instance, the Death March. But once the apology is made, they accept it and they move on. They never talk about Nanjing massacre.

    They never blame USA for the colonization like Koreans do though the resistance was more fierce, and the number of victims was much more than
    that In Korea.
    For that matter, they never mention the Mylai massacre to demonize USA.

    I am afraid it takes the hate culture for people to demonizing another nation.

    And keep in mind, that it is not just Japanese but Korea soldiers’ crime that
    Chinese Filipinos and American and Australian POW are blaming.

    korea invaded japan and china in the past? i heard of nanking massacre but never heard of tokyo massacre. please tell me when that happened.

    The “rape” of Tsushima
    It is the king of korea who suggested the the Mongol to invade Japan. As a result, hundreds of women and children were brutally killed, and many of Japanese was gifted to Kublai Khan as a slave.

    The Korean invasion of China

    Korea actually did invade, conquer, and steal land about 2,000 years ago when Korea was Goguryeo and China was Tang. Koreans seem to be proud of that single, ancient example of Korean imperialism, too. At the base of the Tangun shrine on Kanghwa Island, vendors hawk buttons displaying a map of Goguyeo with the words “Tangun’s territory is our territory!”

    Koreans bragging about never having invaded another country, besides being historically inaccurate, ignore the reality that since the formation of the three kingdoms, Korea has never had the means to enlarge its territory through war Sonagi at Monster Island)

    Korean massacre of Chinese
    The wanpaoshan (万宝山)affair
    127 Chinese were massacred and 393 wounded in 1931 in Korea by Korean anti-Chinese riot.
    And you can give a long list of peace-loving Korean massacre of Korean civilians after the independence, can’t you?. Or is Korea whitewashing history?

    As I mentioned somewhere, there are racists in every country, but it seems
    in Korea the racism is embedded in the public education.

    What I do not look forward to is dealing with a new crop of students brainwashed by their middle school teachers to harbor an unreasonable, and unjustifiable, hatred toward America and Americans. I blame the Korean history teacher for this. They seem to promote prejudice, and students being students, soak up what is said, never questioning their teachers. How unfortunateKorea times

    several of my students recently asked me about how much damage could be inflicted on Japan, if North Korea were to “nuke” it. Rather shocked, I responded, “Lots.” To that I heard, “Yeah, but how many people would die.” I then told them that the problem with a nuclear bomb is that people can die from it even 50 or 60 years later. I specifically pointed out that there are people dying in Hiroshima and Nagasaki today as a result of the bombing half a century ago. To this, one student responded, “Good”.ohmynews

    If we take a look at this online game under this context, I am afraid it is not unreasonable to say that it is just one example of the hate culture.

    And I would like Korea to stop it on its own.

    .

  24. comment number 24 by: tomato

    ponta,

    I’m pretty sure “Koguryo” is not Korean (by “Korean” I mean the ethnic Koreans of today, not any tribe in Korea). So, Koreans never did invade China. Nor did they ever have Manchuria as their own. I’m saying this because I see some Koreans laying claim on Manchuria, which is absurd. Well, China is not so tolerant, so I guess I won’t have to worry.

  25. comment number 25 by: ponta

    Tomato
    Hmm, let’s hear what Chul-soo has to say.
    It might just be that as songi in this comment implies, Korea was militarily not strong enough to invade other nations, but it was strong enough to massacre their own people, and coupled with the strong nation, she massacred civilians like in Vietnam.
    Surprisingly Korea has never apologized for her own massacre they caused in Vietnam and yet, they are “brave” enough to call themselves peace-loving country .

  26. comment number 26 by: sqz

    chul_soo

    just bc i disagree with u about dokto issue does not mean i am anti japanese. i have no ill feelings towards japanese.

    I do not think so.

    i do not know too much about russian island known as kuril island, but i do know that there is dispute going on and japanese feel that those islands, like dokdo, should be theirs. why would japanese waste time on dokto when kuril island seems more desiralbe, after all, people could actually live there and u could see the island from the space. why dont they have “kuril island day” like they have “takeshima day”?
    japan seems to have many island dispute with her neighbors for some reason.

    ここの話題は Dokdo ゲームについてです。
    This topic is about Dokdo game.
    なのに日本を非難した意味は?
    What meaning that you criticized Japan here?
    「日本が悪いから、あのようなゲームを作られて当然。」とでもいうのでしょう。
    It is meaning “Because Japan is bad, it is made such a game and is natural”.
    実際、enjoykorea反日韓国人は、同じ意味で日本を非難します。
    Actually, anti-Japan Korean in enjoykorea criticizes Japan in the same meaning.
    しかも嘘までついて。
    Besides, they say a lie.

    もし違うというのなら、日本を非難する必要などありません。
    If it is difference, you do not need that you criticize Japan.
    ゲームだけを評価すべきでした。
    You should have evaluated only game.

    Because this topic is about game.

  27. comment number 27 by: Ocebey

    This game is quite stupid but it’s just a game so there is no need to go overkill about it… Especially considering it’s a rather pathetic game.
    There is also no need to talk hours about the fact there are idiots on both side of the japan sea. As there are probably idiots on every side of every sea on the planet.
    Still the guys who made the game could have made an effort… The island is no well done at all as in truth is a sorry excuse of an island (just several rocks that happen to be over the water level really.) If they wanted to make their game a little better they should have had the fights on boats or something. The guys who played this must have been bored out of their lives. Good enough punition for their stupidity.

  28. comment number 28 by: chul_soo

    hello tomato
    the whole koguryo issue became a big debate ever since chinese claimed it as theirs. it is one of those thing that could be debated forever. im pretty sure both chinese and koreans are telling half truth and half lies… the real truth will never come out in near future.

    hello ponta
    rape of tsushima? okay… u got me! rape of tsushima shouldnt have happened 800 years ago but it did, how shameful. too bad korean textbook doesnt mention anything about rape of tsushima, they call it a tsushima incident and that those women were prostitute tricked by japanese pimp… are they brainwashing their students? probably.

    in the 70’s, korean sent many troops to vietnam bc washington requested help… they also gave millions of dollars to “encourage” koreans to join the fight against the communist. but koreans are fully aware of what happened… we do not deny. i agree with u ponta, korean should make OFFICIAL apology.

  29. comment number 29 by: mattrosencrance

    @철수

    Only in the modern era do nations have to apologize.

    The old school mentality was completely different.

    If Korea burned, raped and pillaged, this would just mean that they’re more like the rest of humanity.

    All of this apologetic ninny crap would be irrelevant if the US reall were the hegemon that Chomsky and the Koreans describe us to be or if the Japs and Krauts hadn’t just been (righteously) defeated, but also (sadly) emasculated.

    The Koreans have bought into the post-WW2 culture of victimhood, but didn’t suffer to earn it. The former Axis powers, now thankfully US allies, have to have debates about whether or not to defend themselves.

    The US should ask for a better return on its willingness to defend so many other nations, some of which are truly thankless. Or else, those nations might have to locate their balls and take some responsability for themselves.

  30. comment number 30 by: mattrosencrance

    PS: We love Japan all the time, Germany when she’s not clinging to a postmodern malaise and Korea when she’s not pointing an angry finger at us for nonsense.

  31. comment number 31 by: kojibomb

    chul_soo:

    rape of tsushima? okay… u got me! rape of tsushima shouldnt have happened 800 years ago but it did, how shameful. too bad korean textbook doesnt mention anything about rape of tsushima, they call it a tsushima incident and that those women were prostitute tricked by japanese pimp… are they brainwashing their students? probably

    not true… many Korean people(at least ones who are interested in history) do know about attacking Tsushima with the Mongolians… and they told me that they learned about it at school. maybe u didn’t get educated in Korea…
    I think Koreans love teaching students about attacking other countries.

    And… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo
    I don’t understand how Goguryo is not ethnic koreans now…

    and one more… isn’t enjoyKorea/Japan a site for Japanese and Koreans to have friendship/relationship watever…. how is it a racist site?

  32. comment number 32 by: kojibomb

    an anti site should look more like this…
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=ja&q=antiJapan
    or
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=ja&q=antikorea
    or
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=ja&q=antibush
    …lol

  33. comment number 33 by: tomato

    And… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goguryeo
    I don’t understand how Goguryo is not ethnic koreans now…

    kojibomb,

    The english wiki sites about Korean history and culture are full of self-manseis, and lack general credibility. I posted some articles here (I don’t remember which thread) about the Koguryo language being likely related more to Japanese than to Korean.

    Not to make the mistake to assume that the Japanese are glorifying themselves about being related to Koguryo…why should the Japanese be? The Japanese already have their samurais, zero fighters, bullet trains and all other fancy stuff…no need to connect to some ancient Manchurian kingdom.

  34. comment number 34 by: kojibomb

    tomato:
    oh… I read sth about Koguryo lang related to more Japanese than Korean before.

    yes.. i founded it again on wiki hehe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyeo_%28state%29#Language

    but… that’s just language. I guess many early humans travelled from Japan/Korea/china influencing each other since they are all so close. Only because their language is similar to ancient Japanese, does not mean Goguryo is not ethnically Korean.

    The Buyeo (Puyŏ, Fuyu) languages are a hypothetical language family that would relate the languages of Buyeo, Goguryeo, and Baekje with the Japonic languages, and possibly place them together as a family under the hypothetical Altaic family.

    The Buyeo language itself is unknown except for a small number of words, but thought to have been similar to languages of Gojoseon, Goguryeo and East Okjeo.

    By your theory, you can also say that whole Korea is ethnically Japanese since Gojoseon also had similar language as Goguryo which is geographically impossible. Korea/Japan are very close country… they prob influenced each other alot even in the past.

  35. comment number 35 by: tomato

    kojimomb,

    You’re mixing up biological relationship with an ethnic one. If I took you’re way of thinking, since Koguryo had territory in both Korea and Manchuria, its decendants are both in modern day Korea and China. So claiming decent would be OK for both of them, and they won’t need to fight over the issue as they do now.

    But the issue is ethnicity, not just biological relationship. And ethnicity is often defined by continuation of culture, and language usually plays a large part of it (it’s in fact a necessary factor isn’t it?). The Koguryo people became extinct wihtout any ethnic continuation, so nobody can claim decent. Or everybody in the area can, biologically.

  36. comment number 36 by: kojibomb

    tomato:

    The Koguryo people became extinct wihtout any ethnic continuation, so nobody can claim decent

    Yes… but their culture did continue didn’t it? 3 countries:Koguryo, BaekJe and Silla were united and became Joseon…. that’s why I think Koguryo is Korean. Also, it says in wiki that founder of Koguryo and Silla is related… Silla founder is son of the founder of Koguryo? sth like that.

    Biologically… Koreans don’t exist… they are just mixed of everything.

  37. comment number 37 by: tomato

    kojibomb,

    The English wiki can’t be relied upon…especially the one about Korea…it’s full of self-glorifications…like I said, better to find other sources.