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But the Real Question: Can it Reach Dokdo?

October 24th, 2006 . by Darin

Report: SKorea develops cruise missile capable of reaching beyond NKorea [IHT]

SEOUL, South Korea South Korea has developed a longer-range cruise missile that can hit targets deep in North Korea and beyond, a newspaper reported Tuesday, a month after reports said the country had developed its first cruise missile.
The new missile has a range of 1,000 kilometers (621 miles), which could reach all of North Korea and some parts of China, Japan and Russia, the newspaper Munhwa Ilbo reported, citing unidentified government officials.

Under a South Korea-U.S. missile agreement signed in 2001, South Korea can only develop missiles with a range of less than 300 kilometers (200 miles) and a payload under 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds).
But there is an exception in the case of cruise missiles. South Korea can develop a cruise missile with no range restriction as long as its payload is under 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds).

I’m glad to see that even though the talk coming from South Korea in regards to North Korea isn’t of the caliber one would expect based on the situation, the actions being taken are more showing of the true thoughts on the government’s mind. When they make moves like this that show they clearly are concerned about their safety, it makes it obvious all the talk of ‘loving brother Kim^2’ wasn’t meant to fool anyone but Kim^2 himself. But I imagine this type of saying one thing and doing completely the opposite can’t look good on one’s resume, however in this case it’s better then doing nothing.

(Answer: Of course it can! The Chugoku Shimbun reports the missile can even reach Tokyo.)

In Addition: This image from the original article shows the range in something that is easier for us to grasp then numbers.


37 Responses to “But the Real Question: Can it Reach Dokdo?”

  1. comment number 1 by: tomato

    This is a report by IHT. I’m not so convinced that the recent SK arms buildup is trully aimed at NK. Their recent arsenal build-up seems to be more geared against Japan and beyond. I remember that SK purchased F-15s to “defend Dokdo”- the usual game. I was sort of relieved that they seem to have received lemons or don’t possess the capability to maitain such sophisticated hardware.

  2. comment number 2 by: GarlicBreath

    It seems as if an Asian arms race has been started by the Kimchi Axis. Let us hope that the brave American soldiers are not in harms way if the bellicose Koreans start a war. Let us also hope that the great civilization of Japan is not harmed either.

  3. comment number 3 by: YoungRocco

    Darin et al.

    How are you doing?

    Your perception of Korea’s new missile defense capacity lacks context.

    Japan has made it very clear that it is considering acquiring the capability to “pre-emptively” strike the Korean peninsula. In addition, it has stockpiled 45,000 pounds of weapons grade plutonium, has acquired two Aegis class destroyers(thus making itself the only nation other than the U.S. to possess such a capability), has signed a treaty with the U.S. under which it will jointly develop a star-wars style missile defense system and has elected a Prime Minister who openly advocates a renunciation of its wartime constitution…

    And Japan has done all of this while not being under threat by any foreign power.

    All of these actions during peacetime indicate that Japan is a potential threat to peace in Northeast Asia.

    If Korea acquires a more robust missile defense system, then Korea is acting in a strategic manner to defend stability in Northeast Asia.

  4. comment number 4 by: tomato

    All of these actions during peacetime indicate that Japan is a potential threat to peace in Northeast Asia.

    Gee, you Korean ultranationalists are really paranoid. Why don’t you calm down and learn about post-war Japan for once in while? And it’s really peacetime now, eh? With N Korea firing missiles overhead and threatening to test nuclear bombs?

    The US is not cooperating with SK with advanced defences because the S Koreans are not technologically capable and her intentions are very much doubtful. Also, it seems that China is stepping forward in NK sanctions. In essence, SK is becoming politically isolated. Some “balancer”, alright.

  5. comment number 5 by: YoungRocco

    Tomato:

    attitude removed

    Gee, you Korean ultranationalists are really paranoid. Why don’t you calm down and learn about post-war Japan for once in while?

    The list I provided in my previous post all pertained to post-war Japan.

    Indeed, all of the actions I specified have taken place within the last 10 years.

    And it’s really peacetime now, eh? With N Korea firing missiles overhead and threatening to test nuclear bombs?

    North Korea is not at war with Japan, Tomato.

    Unless you want to consider economic sanctions as a form of war… 🙂

    The US is not cooperating with SK with advanced defences because the S Koreans are not technologically capable and her intentions are very much doubtful.

    Tomato, it is essential that you learn how to fashion a logical argument. My claim was that Japan’s proposed missile system is more advanced than Korea’s current missile system.

    Nothing you’ve said above challenges my claim.

    Also, it seems that China is stepping forward in NK sanctions. In essence, SK is becoming politically isolated.

    False. South Korea has also been stepping forward in sanctions by doing the follwing:

    1. Ceasing food and fertilizer aid to the North.
    2. Terminating a scheduled cement shipment to the North
    3. Cutbacks on student subsidies for Mt. Geumgang visits.
    4. Implementing a temporary cease and Kaesong expansion plans.

    attitude removed

    attitude removed

  6. comment number 6 by: ponta

    South Korea has also been stepping forward in sanctions by doing the follwing:

    1. Ceasing food and fertilizer aid to the North.
    2. Terminating a scheduled cement shipment to the North
    3. Cutbacks on student subsidies for Mt. Geumgang visits.
    4. Implementing a temporary cease and Kaesong expansion plans.

    And this is the target of criticism.
    In particular, frankly I think it is stupid to cut food aid but still and continue mt GEumgang visit.

  7. comment number 7 by: Darin

    YoungRocco, did you even read my post before you just started calling my name out?

    I advise you to actually read the post before you start telling me that my “perception of Korea’s new missile defense capacity lacks context” and “Japan has made it very clear that it is considering acquiring the capability to “pre-emptively” strike the Korean peninsula.”

    Notice what I said was,

    I’m glad to see that even though the talk coming from South Korea in regards to North Korea isn’t of the caliber one would expect based on the situation, the actions being taken are more showing of the true thoughts on the government’s mind. When they make moves like this that show they clearly are concerned about their safety, it makes it obvious all the talk of ‘loving brother Kim^2′ wasn’t meant to fool anyone but Kim^2 himself. But I imagine this type of saying one thing and doing completely the opposite can’t look good on one’s resume, however in this case it’s better then doing nothing.

    which has absolutely nothing to do with what you’re talking about at all.

    Furthermore, be aware that I am still on the lookout for you and your favorite past time of hijacking threads. Anything off topic will be removed immediately. Just a warning. Posts on topic, and you have nothing to worry about.

    Also, I’ve yet to receive that apology from you for flat out lying. (If it is in another thread already, then I just didn’t see it. Please send me the link.)

  8. comment number 8 by: MarkA

    Both North Korea and Japan can easily defend against cruise missiles.

    The biggest point of this whole thing as I interpreted from the broadcast on SBS news last night was that South Korea thinks it brings them into an elite club of nations who have cruise missiles.

    It’s all about the ch’emyon.

  9. comment number 9 by: sqz

    Your perception of Korea’s new missile defense capacity lacks context.

    巡航ミサイルは攻撃用であって、防衛用ではありません。
    The cruise missile is for attack. Not for defense.

    In addition, it has stockpiled 45,000 pounds of weapons grade plutonium,

    それは原子力発電用であって、核兵器用ではありません。
    It is for nuclear power generation. Not for weapon.
    IAEAの査察を受け入れています。
    Japan accepts an inspection of IAEA.

    has acquired two Aegis class destroyers(thus making itself the only nation other than the U.S. to possess such a capability),

    4隻が就役し、5隻目と6隻目が建造中です。
    Four ships are placed on duty, and fifth and sixth ship are constructing now.
    この駆逐艦には、対空、対艦、対潜ミサイルのみで、対地攻撃武器を持っていません。
    These destroyers have anti-craft and anti-ship and anti-submarine missile. Have not ground-attack weapon.
    この船では、他国を攻撃することなど不可能です。
    This ship is impossible to attack other countries.
    そもそもイージスシステムは、艦隊防衛用であって、攻撃用ではありません。
    In the first place, Aegis system is for fleet defense. Not for attack.

    has signed a treaty with the U.S. under which it will jointly develop a star-wars style missile defense system and has elected a Prime Minister who openly advocates a renunciation of its wartime constitution…

    ミサイル防衛システムというのがわかりますか?
    Do you understand Missile Defense System?
    とても理解しているように思えません。
    I do not think that you understand Missile Defense System.
    日本には自衛権があります。
    There is a right of self-defense in Japan.
    パトリオットミサイルは、日本に飛来してきたミサイルを打ち落とす為の武器です。
    A Patriot missile is a weapon to strike down the missile which flew coming in Japan.
    このミサイルでは、他国を攻撃することなど不可能です。
    This missile is impossible to attack other countries.

    And Japan has done all of this while not being under threat by any foreign power.

    おや?知らないんですか?
    What? Do not you know?
    北朝鮮と韓国が時々小競り合いをしていました。
    North and South Korea sometimes did a skirmish.
    中国の原子力潜水艦が領海侵犯をしました。
    A Chinese nuclear submarine did territorial waters violation.

    Japan has made it very clear that it is considering acquiring the capability to “pre-emptively” strike the Korean peninsula.

    日本の敵は、中国や北朝鮮であって、韓国ではありません。
    A Japanese enemy is China and North-Korea. Not South-Korea.

    All of these actions during peacetime indicate that Japan is a potential threat to peace in Northeast Asia.

    韓国軍は、北朝鮮を守るための軍隊ですか?
    Is South-Korea force the armed forces to follow North-Korea?

  10. comment number 10 by: hls

    Hi folks,

    I am always surprised to see those ethnocentric and higly emotional statements made by many educated Koreans when it comes to Japan. Judging by the excellent command of English, YoungRocco must be a well educated person who must have experienced some overseas life. Yet he becomes like the Hinomaru-burning mob when he discusses on the Japanese matter. It is as if the term “Japan” triggers some particular neuron to ignite which in turn induces “火病”.

    Japanese invading the neighboring countries again? They have too much to lose by now to do such a thing. They just want Koreans to leave them alone.

  11. comment number 11 by: tomato

    Youngrocco,

    It is essential that you free yourself from Chosun/Han-guk Mansei ideologies and come out to the real world where Korea only gets what it deserves.

  12. comment number 12 by: mattrosencrance

    I wouldn’t ever defend the Korean tendency to affective wackiness and illogic in decision making, but of course it’s telling that the radius of the new cruise missiles can effectively encompass Beijing. Yes of course, Noh is going to continue to talk smack about Japan and the US. A good friend of mine still on the peninsula calls them “grave-pissers”, i.e. they’d only pick a fight with someone who can’t or won’t fight back. Notice their deference for Kim Jeong-Il and Hu Jing-Tao. Their illogical and anachronistic hatred of Japan nevertheless does allow for an arms buildup no matter who might be threatening them.

    Are the SoKos this smart? Probably not. Of course most reasonable people would just say to the NorKs, “We have the biggest kid on the block on our side. So whatcha gonna do punk?”

    But they’re not that smart. They have an ideological need for the appearance of independence.

  13. comment number 13 by: shadkt

    Wow, Tokyo is in bigger letters than others and definitely within the red circle.
    Potential target?! Scary…

  14. comment number 14 by: shadkt

    Sorry, not bigger but in bold is what I meant.

  15. comment number 15 by: YoungRocco

    Darin:

    What’s up?

    Furthermore, be aware that I am still on the lookout for you and your favorite past time of hijacking threads. Anything off topic will be removed immediately. Just a warning. Posts on topic, and you have nothing to worry about.

    I have nothing to worry about regardless.

    Outright lying? When? Darin, its pretty obvious that between you and me, you are the one who is lying. You claim that you delete my posts for rudeness, and yet you allow your buddies to get away with saying things such as:

    1. Trolling:

    Darin:

    Furthermore, be aware that I am still on the lookout for you and your favorite past time of hijacking threads.

    2. Race-baiting:

    Mattrosencrance:

    wouldn’t ever defend the Korean tendency to affective wackiness and illogic in decision making

    Their[Koreans] illogical and anachronistic hatred of Japan nevertheless does allow for an arms buildup no matter who might be threatening them.

    Garlic-Breath:

    The Koreans, north and south cannot be trusted.

    3. Profanity:

    Mattrosencrance:

    A good friend of mine still on the peninsula calls them “grave-pissers

    Mr. Bevers:

    That’s a load of crap

    Though, I suppose the above post could also be considered race-baiting.

    4. Insincerity (By your definition)

    Garlic-Breath:

    Have a nice day. I am glad to bring joy in your life.

    Darin, stop lying. All of the above are rude, and you let them slide. You are not deleting my posts because they are rude. If you were deleting posts for rudeness, you would delete all or even most rude postings and not just mine.

    Darin, if you have a policy against Koreans, that’s fine so long as you declare it.

    If you have a policy against people who disagree with you, that’s fine, so long as you declare it.

    If you have a policy against people who are rude and disagree with you, while letting rudeness from those who do agree with you slide, that’s okay too, so long as you declare it.

    But don’t take the cowardly route of lying.

  16. comment number 16 by: Matt

    YoungRocco, you were lying about Darin deleting your essential arguments, which he did not do. All he did was carefully delete insulting sarcasm by you. Indeed, No. 4 that you cite GarlicBreath as writing is simply an imitation of the kind of thing you write. Indeed, on October the 3rd I asked you to stop it. I even mentioned that other posters were starting to immitate your rude style, in response to you. Here is what I wrote

    Look man, you are making a hostile environment around here, so I would like to politely ask you to drop the sarcasm when writing your comments. Now other posters are starting to emulate your sarcasm, and I am beginning to worry it is so heavy that it is driving away potential commenters.

    I asked you politely, consistently, for at least a couple of months now. Now you are lying about being censored, and calling Darin a liar. I wonder what the point is in even keeping you around since your primary objective seems to be trolling. All I have asked is that you refrain from writing things like this –

    You’re cute.

    Go get em, Tiger.

    How are you doing, guy?

    Our discussions will be much more fruitful if you take the time to do your homework.

    Have an enjoyable morning.

    I’m pleased to continue working with you.

    Just helping you out, Bro.

    Take Care

    You, Ponta, SQZ, Darin and Matthew have improved tremendously under my tutelage.

    Have a great morning.

    Sweet Dreams.

    If you need any more assisstance in firming up your argument, feel free to send me another post. My door is always open.

    I’ll tread lightly while I pick apart the flaws in your statement.

    Anytime you need more guidance, just send me a note.

    Glad I could help a valued friend.

    Enjoy the rest of your day.

    By the way, on the subject of lying, it is you doing that. At first you insisted that sarcasm was sincere, but when you were called on it, and could not refrain from it for ‘a valued friend’, your lie was exposed.

    So look, either get with the program, or just get banned. Oh, and if your next comment is something about being censored, you will be banned. Sorry, but I have everyone to think about here, not just YoungRocco. On any other site you would be banned already, without anyone even giving you a warning. I think Occidentalism is one of the most tolerant sites on the net.

  17. comment number 17 by: Darin

    Outright lying? When?

    Clicking on the link for the word lying will direct you to what I am talking about. Stop playing ignorant, final warning.

    EDIT

    Ya know what, actually, I just read the last part of your comment here agian..

    Darin, stop lying. All of the above are rude, and you let them slide. You are not deleting my posts because they are rude. If you were deleting posts for rudeness, you would delete all or even most rude postings and not just mine.

    Darin, if you have a policy against Koreans, that’s fine so long as you declare it.

    If you have a policy against people who disagree with you, that’s fine, so long as you declare it.

    If you have a policy against people who are rude and disagree with you, while letting rudeness from those who do agree with you slide, that’s okay too, so long as you declare it.

    But don’t take the cowardly route of lying.

    And I’ve had enough. You’ve had more then your fair share of warnings, you stolen more then your fair share of threads by propagating your agenda of, well, what is your agenda anyways? Prohibiting discussion?

    You’re done, end of discussion.

  18. comment number 18 by: kojibomb

    GarlicBreath should watch his mouth. You are being very racist: “kimchi axis”&”bellicose Koreans” vs “great great civilization of Japan”.

  19. comment number 19 by: GarlicBreath

    kojibomb

    GarlicBreath should watch his mouth. You are being very racist: “kimchi axis”&”bellicose Koreans” vs “great great civilization of Japan”.

    What is racist about calling japan a great great civilization? I also like Germany and France? If I say France has a great great civilization am I being racist?

    Koreans are being belicose. have you not read the news papers? North Korea promises to turn the sea of japan and seoul into a sea of fire.This is bellicose. What about when South Korea promises to send naval battle ships after japanese peaceful unarmed survay vessels.

    Lastly the kimchi axis refers to the north south alliance against the USA and Japan. Kimchi is a popular food in South Korea whose origin is Japan.

    The Kimchi axis is very militant.

  20. comment number 20 by: GarlicBreath

    kojibomb, did you hear about this?

    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200610/200610280003.html

    A korean hero to be sure. Very shamful that South Koreans support a spy like him. I dont think Japan has similar kind of people.

  21. comment number 21 by: kojibomb

    no but you see… you can’t just refer to Korea as ‘kimchi’ some people find it offensive… Its obvious to see your hatred toward korean people. I didn’t care about great Japan; just comparing kimchi and great. hope you understand.

  22. comment number 22 by: GarlicBreath

    You said I was racist because I hate korea and like japan.

    Are korean and Japanese people a different race?

    Korean people are very proud to notify anyone the Korean ‘blood’ in japan. I like Korean very much, and japan too.

    I dont agree that to refer to Koera as kimchi is offensive anymore then calling Koreans dog eaters is offensive. Kimchi and dog eating is part of Korean culture, and I dont see any need to appologise for Korean culture.

  23. comment number 23 by: kojibomb

    I just said you are being racist by using referring to Korea as Kimchi

    I never said you hate Korea or like Japan.

    But you know some people do find it offensive to be called kimchi if you look at other sites… many people call Koreans kimchi to be offensive so i m just saying you should not use that word here. Dog eating is very… gay culture of Korea… shameful as well as Japanese dolphine eating too though…

  24. comment number 24 by: GarlicBreath

    Koji- said:

    Its obvious to see your hatred toward korean people. I didn’t care about great Japan; just comparing kimchi and great.

    and then koji said:

    I never said you hate Korea or like Japan

    I think you did say that I hate korea and like japan (think its great).

    I have never heard that calling korea kimchi is done often and is racist. I think you are making this up.

    shameful as well as Japanese dolphine eating too though…

    I did not know about this, but why bring it up, is it becasue you want to bring japan down? Down to the level of eating dogs?

  25. comment number 25 by: kojibomb

    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

    No you got it all wrong… sorry….

    I meant if you use those words… i can see your hatred toward Korea

    well…. just don’t call Koreans kimchi…. Why don’t you use the word “Koreans” but “kimchi”? It just confuses people so don’t use it please.

    oh… You didn’t know about eating whales… I thought everybody knew… if you found that offensive, I apologize…. I m not bringing Japan down by saying that though… I have 2 culture Japanese and Korean, and I just said I hate those cultures.

    Let’s just get over this. I m not trying to be racist here.

    oh… but I find it funny that you know bad side of Korea but not Japan. Why is that?

  26. comment number 26 by: Darin

    I wasn’t going to get involved.. but….

    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

    No you got it all wrong… sorry….

    You said “I never said you hate Korea or like Japan.” but just moments ago you said “obvious to see your hatred toward korean people.”

    So you’re contradicting yourself their big time.

    oh… You didn’t know about eating whales… I thought everybody knew

    You didn’t say anything about whales, you said ‘dolphine’. As far as I know, 1) ‘dolphine’ isn’t a word, 2) people don’t eat dolphin in Japan 3) people in Japan do eat whale 4) just as they do in Korea.

    If you’re against whaling, that’s your prerogative, but you should keep in mind that Japan is not the only nation that hunts whale.

    Again, I think you’re confused both in what you want to say, and on some English words. You may want to start over again from the beginning and restate your thoughts for clarity.

  27. comment number 27 by: GarlicBreath

    First you said dolphin now whale. Yes I know about japanese and Koreans eating whales.

    “Kimchi axis” refers to the North and South Koreans who are anti-japan and Anti-USA.

    I think it is very suitable. People clearly see when I say kimchi axis that I mean north and south Korea. If you are offended then I suggest eating a handful of midol.

  28. comment number 28 by: kojibomb

    They do in Korea lol I didn’t know that. Yea… I screwed up there. I know its only whales but I just typed without checking anything so… I m leaving comments here playing studying for midterm so sorry..

  29. comment number 29 by: kojibomb

    oh… kimchi axis meant that… sorry.. i guess you can call anti Japan and anti USA people that.

    I hate them too so… I thought you were just calling Koreans as kimchi so… misunderstanding

  30. comment number 30 by: Darin

    I hate them too so…

    Ummm….. That’s not exactly a problem free ‘make it all better’ statement. You may want to check that.

  31. comment number 31 by: helical

    GarlicBreath,

    I dont agree that to refer to Koera as kimchi is offensive anymore then calling Koreans dog eaters is offensive. Kimchi and dog eating is part of Korean culture, and I dont see any need to appologise for Korean culture.

    Down to the level of eating dogs?

    I sense a little contradiction here.

    Also, I don’t think I need to point out that name-calling by a characteristic of a group of people can and will be offensive for some people. The “You can only be offended if you let yourself be offended” argument doesn’t give you the right to go about and fire away with “potentially offensive” actions and words … at least not in a place where you expect any fair discussion to take place.

    Sorry, I realize I’m not a moderator here but I thought I needed to point that out.

  32. comment number 32 by: kojibomb

    ok… my bad.

    I learned my lesson. I m never going to talk about that again. Do say whatever you guys want. I ll just shup up and get on with my life.

  33. comment number 33 by: GarlicBreath

    Good point Helical.

    When I said down to the level of eating dogs, I was responding to Koji- post about eating dog is ‘gay’.

    Dog eating is very… gay culture of Korea

    Is talking about Korean dog eating offensive to you too? Koreans are very proud of eating dogs.

  34. comment number 34 by: helical

    GarlicBreath,

    Whoops, I missed that connection, as well as your intent for using the name ‘kimchi’. I thought that the atmosphere of 2ch was leaking out to here.
    My apologies for that.
    But I also see labeling of people as Korean almost on reflex if they disagree with you at all on these issues, so my opinion on a place for fair discussions still stands for that.

    Is talking about Korean dog eating offensive to you too?

    I’m Japanese, and I’m actually interested in trying both dog and whale. I’ve heard people talk about how it tastes, but that made me all the more curious, if you know what I mean.

    And now that I’ve said that, angry mobs with torches and pitchforks from Greenpeace and PETA are probably going to come knocking down my door any moment now.

    … oh seems like someone’s at the door. I wonder who’d visit this late….


  35. […] Although the topic of discussion has not fully drifted to it yet, eating dog has come up in the comment section of this post.  Just in case someone had something they’d like to say but don’t want to hijack any threads to do so, I thought it would be appropriate to start a new one just for this topic. My Points/Questions to consider while discussing: […]

  36. comment number 36 by: General Tiger

    Ignoring the idiotic replies here….

    I always thought the CMs were for attacking China, not Japan. Reason: It’s easy to take over Japan once an army gets across…. so one needs a strong navy to think of attacking Japan in the first place.

  37. comment number 37 by: Bboy_J

    I think the map is drawn in wrong scale. I’ve lived in Korea for quite a long time (for being korean…) and the distance of 300km is not that long. 300km radius? No, no… 300 km is as long enough to drive seoul to end of east side of korea.