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Completely random foreigner raises Korean flag on Dokdo/Takeshima

November 1st, 2006 . by Matt

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This foreigner needs to read Occidentalism for the truth about Dokdo/Takeshima

An article written by a foreigner in the Korea Times called “Dokdo Needs to Be Better Explained to Foreigners” has called on Koreans to make more effort to explain Korea’s claim to Dokdo/Takeshima to foreigners.

On a recent visit to the island of Ulleungdo, I discovered that the modernistic Dokdo Museum on the island had almost no signs in English and only one brochure in English. I haven’t met a Korean yet who didn’t passionately believe that the Dokdos are Korean and would even go to war to defend them.

But it would be helpful if foreigners could understand why. The museum is a great place to explain the Korean viewpoint. Between 400 and 500 foreigners visit Ulleundgo every year. Probably about 300 to 350 visit the museum, although no separate records of foreign visitors are kept. The fortress-like three-story museum contains, maps, models, old documents, artwork and a film about life on the Dokdos. But there are no explanations in English and no English subtitles on the film.

That would be the Dokdo museum that makes things up. This foreigner needs to open his eyes and see just why Koreans cannot “better explain” their claim to foreigners. He can start with Gerry Bevers’ classic series debunking the Korean claims.

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 1

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 2

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 3

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 4

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 4 Supplement

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 5

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Part 6

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Maps 1

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Maps 2

Lies, Half-truths, & Dokdo Video, Maps 3

This article is proof that the Korean press will publish any foreigner that is willing to publish something in support of Korea’s causes. At least he can go down to Itaewon and tell all the Korean girls that he has been to Dokdo and supports ‘protecting’ Dokdo against the Japanese. Maybe it will even help him get laid. In bars and other social situation I have seen cynical foreigners that do not really care in the least about Korean causes agree with Koreans they just met about Dokdo, history, or whatever, and that puts Koreans at ease, and makes Koreans highly evaluate the person that agrees with them. Usually though, the joke is on them because the cynical foreigner ends up taking one of the Korean girls home with them, which is not the result the Korean guys were hoping for, I am sure.

It is funny that because of their over developed sense of pride (자존심) that Koreans are forever doomed to be surrounded by yes-men and foreigners that know how to cynically manipulate their ego. It is a sad situation, in my opinion.


28 Responses to “Completely random foreigner raises Korean flag on Dokdo/Takeshima”

  1. comment number 1 by: tomato

    Koreans are forever doomed to be surrounded by yes-men and foreigners that know how to cynically manipulate their ego.

    Talking about yes-men, the NK regime has perfected it.

  2. comment number 2 by: seouldout

    Perhaps young Koreans should be sent out to the world. On motorcycles. And they can visit other Koreans. And tell them, “Dokdo is ours!”

    Petitions will be written. Petitions will be signed. 400 signatures by 400 random strangers shall be enough.

  3. comment number 3 by: sqz

    これは韓国の国際法の専門家が書いた記事です。
    This is the article which a specialist in Korean international law wrote.

    독도와 유엔 사무총장

    What a low level.

  4. comment number 4 by: hls

    Koreans have been squatters since the end of WW2 not only on Takeshima but also on the strips along the prime railroad stations in Tokyo, which they took violently from the locals in the middle of post-war confusion. Probably it is more important to sort out the injustice done by the ethnic Koreans in the main islands of Japan.

  5. comment number 5 by: dogbert

    Matt, I saw that article in the print edition of today’s Korea Times. That photo is actually above the fold on Page 1 and there is a one-page featurette inside.

    The foreigner is not so random as would appear, but is instead one Tony McGregor, a contributing writer to the Korea Times.

    Another quote from the article:

    “It was hard to believe that these specks of land could cause such disruption between Korea and Japan, harder still to understand why Japan — rich, successful and powerful — would let them poison relations between itself and its closest neighbor to whom it has brought much suffering.”

  6. comment number 6 by: GarlicBreath

    No doubt this is how Tony MacGregor got his job.

    Korea Times Interviewer: Who does Dokdo belong to.

    Tony MacGregor: Of course Korea.

    Korea Times Interviewer: Good now, you got the job, now bend over.

  7. comment number 7 by: tomato

    harder still to understand why Japan — rich, successful and powerful — would let them poison relations between itself and its closest neighbor to whom it has brought much suffering.”

    Basically, he’s saying that Korea is allowed to revenge Japan by taking her territory, and Japan should cede. What a persuasive argument!

  8. comment number 8 by: ponta

    Dokdo Needs to Be Better Explained to Foreigners By Tony MacGregor
    Though I agree with this guy, that Dokdo needs to be better explained to foreigners , it should be explained correctly. And this writer is so lazy that I doubt his qualification as a journalist. He presents an story that even Koreans themselves begin to doubt.

    Sung took me to see Chung Won Do, 78, one of the eight remaining members of the Volunteer Guard of Dokdo, a group of 21 soldiers and sailors formed on Ulleungdo in April 1953 to defend the islands from Japanese settlement and claims.

    After his service with the volunteers, which lasted from 1953 to 1955 or 1956,

    한 국전쟁의 혼란 속에서 사재를 털고 목숨을 걸며 3년 8개월간 독도를 지킨 것으로 알려진 독도의용수비대. 하지만 최근 이들의 활약이 과장·왜곡됐다며 “이제는 역사를 바로잡아야 한다”는 증언이 나오고 있습니다. 당시 독도 수비는 독도의용수비대가 아니라 국립경찰이 도맡아했다는 것입니다. 는 바른 ‘독도수호사(獨島守護史)’를 후세에 남기기 위해 3차례에 걸쳐 이같은 사실을 보도합니다.

    독도박물관과 국립경찰사 등의 기록에 남아있는 ‘독도의용수비대(대장 홍순칠·작고) 33명’의 활약상은 이처럼 눈부시다. 하지만 누구도 의심하지 않았던 이 영웅들의 이야기가 사실과 다른 것으로 밝혀진다면 어떨까.

    재향군인들 달래려 ‘독도 미역 채취 3년’ 독점권

    전직 경찰들 “고작 2~3개월 경비… 미역 캐러 가놓고 경비라니”

    홍 대장이 남긴 다큐멘터리 수기를 봤는데, 3년 8개월 동안 독도를 지켰다는 기록은 95%가 거짓말이다.ohmynews

    One day a Japanese patrol boat came very close, and we opened fire on it and hit it,’’ he said. “The news was broadcast by the Japanese radio station NHK, and we learned that one Japanese sailor had been injured.’’

    “일본 순시선과 총격전? 전쟁날 일 있나?”
    [독도수비대의 진실②] 독도 방어 ‘전투’는 없었다

    일본군하고 총격전? 없었어요. 새까만 거짓말이에요. 그랬으면 전쟁났지….”

    최 경사는 “그 때 발포하지 말도록 이야기했는데 선원 중 하나가 실수했다”며 “그 중 두 발이 해구라호 선창에 맞았는데 나중에 보니 일본 잡지에 크게 실렸더라”고 회고하며 당시 잡지기사를 보여주기도 했다.

    Oh mynews

    I wish someone translated Korean into English but the point is the article in ohmynews shed doubt on what MacGregor wrote.


  9. […] As Occidentalism has pointed out, there is a new article over at the Korea Times penned by foreigner who is basically spitting out Dokdo propaganda. Not only does he unquestionably support Korea’s claim to the islets, but he also advances the fiction of the Dokdo volunteer army. Either he’s badly misinformed, or he’s intentionally trying to misinform people. […]

  10. comment number 10 by: nigelboy

    これは韓国の国際法の専門家が書いた記事です。
    This is the article which a specialist in Korean international law wrote.

    This is too funny.

    First, he states that Ban is a hero of Korea and is a prime candidate for Nobel Peace Prize. (Korean fetish for Nobel Prize displayed here)

    Second, he saids that since Korea national was appointed as General Secretary before Japan, Korea should be able to join the Permanent Member before Japan. (Does this mean Ghana gets to joint the Permanent Member before Korea????)

    Finally, he saids that since Korea will be a member of the Permanent Member, they could veto any attempt by Japan to claim soverignty over Dokdo/Takeshima. (?????)

    Article 27 Voting

    3. Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.

    Another Urinara quality article.

  11. comment number 11 by: Hotel

    Wait a minute. Are you telling me I can go to any Korean bar and pick up a chick by saying Dokdo is Korean territory? Can anyone speak from experience from this?

  12. comment number 12 by: GarlicBreath

    Let me say this to you Hotel. If you tell a korean woman that Takeshima belongs to Japan, your chances of “picking up a chick” move closer to nil. At least picking her up, that is.

    Nigleboy,

    Ban is no hero. He is the devil.

  13. comment number 13 by: kojibomb

    no… in my experience Korean girls don’t work that way. When I was in highschool, one of my caucasian friend tried everything in order to get this Korean girl like telling how great Korea is wearing Korean T shirt and everything but didn’t work out. On the other hand, one of my other friend got Korean girl so easily without going through all that crap. Personally, I think they just look for hansome/cute/watever guys. If youre good looking, you are very lucky. If youre threateningly unlovely, hit the books.

  14. comment number 14 by: tomato

    Jokes should be taken as jokes…

  15. comment number 15 by: GarlicBreath

    Koji-

    I assume that you pointed out those two examples to show how common those types of people are, and not just an execption to the rule.

    no… in my experience Korean girls don’t work that way. When I was in highschool, one of my caucasian friend tried everything in order to get this Korean girl like telling how great Korea is wearing Korean T shirt and everything but didn’t work out.

    He sounds like a loser with a self image problem. Maybe he was poor or maybe her parents didnt want her to mix with ‘foreighers’.

    On the other hand, one of my other friend got Korean girl so easily without going through all that crap

    She was very very easy. The word for her is loose or a slut. I have seen this many many times.

  16. comment number 16 by: shadkt

    GarlicBreath,

    I think you’re going too far.
    You don’t know these people Koji is speaking about.
    You surely don’t have the right to judge them.
    You see one tendency and Koji sees another, at personal level.
    Let it lie, unless he’s talking of more general terms.

  17. comment number 17 by: GarlicBreath

    shadkt

    Koji can speak for himself, don’t you think.

    In any case, if Koji was only giving two examples that were not meant to be used in general terms, he should have said so. But he said

    no… in my experience Korean girls don’t work that way

    That means in general, and then he gave examples. I don’t know them but their behavior is in line with what I know about Koreans in general. I don’t really see what your issue is.

  18. comment number 18 by: shadkt

    GarlicBreath,

    I’m sure Koji can speak for himself, but I just wanted you to know that
    there are at least one here who found your conclusion without knowing the
    person to be a bit offensive.

    On the other hand, one of my other friend got Korean girl so easily without going through all that crap

    She was very very easy. The word for her is loose or a slut. I have seen this many many times.

    You don’t know this girl and you state from the few sentence that Koji gave
    that she was a slut. She might have been, or she might have just seen
    something charming about this man that she was instantly taken.
    If she gets taken by every guy she meets, yes, she may be a slut, but
    there is no indication from Koji’s sentence alone, and your conclusion
    seemed too biased, that’s all.

    You saw lots of slutty girls easily swooned with Takeshima/Dokto issue,
    Koji saw another bunch where that didin’t matter. I can accept both.

  19. comment number 19 by: tomato

    Like I said, jokes are only jokes…trying to refute a joke by serious discussion is out of sense.

  20. comment number 20 by: shadkt

    Tomato,

    You say that Koji overreacted, GarliBreath overreacted to that, and I
    overreacted to that. Perhaps, so I’ll stop here, but let me just say,
    if it was meant as a joke, GarlicBreath should have said so to his
    reply to Koji who took it seriously and stopped at that.
    Reading his “slut” argument, I’m not sure if GarlicBreath meant the
    first talk as a joke.

    I personally don’t want my countrymen judged on few examples a
    person experienced, and I hate generalization.

  21. comment number 21 by: tomato

    I personally don’t want my countrymen judged on few examples a
    person experienced, and I hate generalization.

    If there was any personal experience at all…it’s a trap. He’s probably laughing at the two of you. Or maybe me for making this comment.

  22. comment number 22 by: GarlicBreath

    shadkt said:

    I can accept both.

    Good we agree.

  23. comment number 23 by: James

    Some guy just posted this comment on my Asia-Watch blog:

    Actually, it’s occimentalism that is guilty of spreading lies about Dokdo. That blog is Yakuza Central….

    If you want to read some English writing regarding Dokdo, an expat has started an in depth website supporting Korea’s without the rhetoric.

    http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com

    It’s getting updated every day and has lots of docs and maps.

    Thought I’d pass it on to you guys, since you know a lot more about Dokdo than I do and can respond to his site better.

  24. comment number 24 by: Matt

    James, I wonder if that is Steve Barber? Gerry, any idea?

  25. comment number 25 by: James

    Matt, his email matches the one Steve Barber used in Gerry’s previous post.

  26. comment number 26 by: GarlicBreath

    Well the registration info is:

    Domain Name………. dokdo-takeshima.com
    Creation Date…….. 2006-09-15
    Registration Date…. 2006-09-15
    Expiry Date………. 2007-09-15
    Organisation Name…. Cho Eun Ju
    Organisation Address. Kyeong-gi Do
    Organisation Address. Juk-joen Dong 702-1203
    Organisation Address. Yong In City
    Organisation Address. n2h1v1
    Organisation Address. none
    Organisation Address. KOREA, REPUBLIC OF

    Admin Name……….. Cho Eun Ju
    Admin Address…….. Kyeong-gi Do
    Admin Address…….. Juk-joen Dong 702-1203
    Admin Address…….. Yong In City
    Admin Address…….. n2h1v1
    Admin Address…….. none
    Admin Address…….. KOREA, REPUBLIC OF
    Admin Email………. [email protected]
    Admin Phone………. +82.0318967161

    So the email is consistant with the mindless hwarng dokdo warrior.

  27. comment number 27 by: GarlicBreath

    Interesting that the dokdo warrier Cho Eun Ju or Steve Barbur chose to call the website dokdo-takeshima as if he wanted to be fair about the discussion. All the informaion is one sided propaganda.

    And the creep is trying to drive traffic to his propaganda website by preteding to be others.

    Very sad, but I have come to expect this.


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