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“Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name”

September 4th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

Korea’s campaign to change the Sea of Japan to the “East Sea” is incredibly silly and a big waste of time, manpower, and international respect and goodwill. What real benefit could Korea get from a name change, anyway?

I think Korean government officials need to sit down and make a list of all the stupid things Korea should stop doing, and the “East Sea Name Change Campaign” should be put at the top of the list.

The Japan Times: “Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name”


49 Responses to ““Despite Korean efforts, geographic conference backs Sea of Japan name””

  1. comment number 1 by: General Tiger

    What real benefit could Korea get from a name change, anyway?

    How true.

  2. comment number 2 by: GarlicBreath

    U.S. Textbooks Add ‘East Sea’ .

    Coreans are obsessed with this issue (yes all Coreans) for the same reason they are obsessed with takeshima, known as DukDo to the occupying corneas. Coreans are obsessed with “beating” japan. Japan is following the right course in stopping corea at every opportunity. Japan needs to be as aggressive as Corea in this area.
    .

  3. comment number 3 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    Coreans are obsessed with this issue (yes all Coreans)

    I take it that you don’t recognize me as a Korean, lol.

  4. comment number 4 by: GarlicBreath

    YES YOU TOO. Don’t make me embarrass you again Tigg. I am starting to feel bad because I keep destroying the fragile little egos of so many chauvinistic coreas. In fact YOU tigg were listed in this article by ohmynews as one of the pro-Corean faction in the lamest edit wars ever for wikipedia. You name was listed under the section for the Sea of Japan. Clearly if you are gonig through the trouble of putting false information and propaganda about Corea on Wikipedia, you are obsessed.

  5. comment number 5 by: kteen

    Gerry,
    Three cheers for the Gachon University of Science and Medicine!!
    Garlie,

    Japan is following the right course in stopping corea at every opportunity

    This statement as just sent you over to the level of being ‘obsessed with glorifying every fart japan makes’.

  6. comment number 6 by: GarlicBreath

    Gerry,
    Three cheers for the Gachon University of Science and Medicine!!

    I knew you were a little shit kteen, but you are being an real asshole. Mr Bevers lost his job, and that is no laughing matter. How would you like it if your dad lost his job cleaning offices?

  7. comment number 7 by: kteen

    Garlicbreath,
    Judging gerry from what he posts, I’m surprised that he even got the job in the first plce.

    How would you like it if your dad lost his job cleaning offices

    LOL…is that all you can come up with? ‘your dad lost his job cleanign offices’…

  8. comment number 8 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    YES YOU TOO. Don’t make me embarrass you again Tigg. I am starting to feel bad because I keep destroying the fragile little egos of so many chauvinistic coreas. In fact YOU tigg were listed in this article by ohmynews as one of the pro-Corean faction in the lamest edit wars ever for wikipedia. You name was listed under the section for the Sea of Japan. Clearly if you are gonig through the trouble of putting false information and propaganda about Corea on Wikipedia, you are obsessed.

    Funny that a guy who did less than 14 edits to the article is listed as a pro-Korean editor. You might want to go through the history of the Liancourt Rocks/Dokdo/Takeshima article.
    .
    Also, here’s a link to all of my edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=General+Tiger
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    Try looking through it to see if I did any blind nationalistic edits.
    .
    Check your sources, my friend. Check.

  9. comment number 9 by: General Tiger

    kteen:

    Judging gerry from what he posts, I’m surprised that he even got the job in the first plce

    That was out of line. Although there are times he needs to look into what he writes, Gerry’s posts are mostly logic, coolly written stuff, unlike most of what is posted in this forum.

  10. comment number 10 by: kteen

    GeneralTiger,
    Gerry’s posts were logical and cooly written until the fourth of july, when he posted something about how barbaric and disgusting Korea’s dog-eating customs were. There wasn’t a single drop of logic in it.

  11. comment number 11 by: GarlicBreath

    Check your sources, my friend

    I showed my source. Unless you care to deny that the article was talking about you.


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  13. comment number 13 by: alec931

    Gerry,
    I agree with your post here…..that trying to change the name to East Sea is getting silly, but
    .
    “I think Korean government officials need to sit down and make a list of all the stupid things Korea should stop doing, and the ”East Sea Name Change Campaign” should be put at the top of the list.”
    .
    I think you need to sit down and make a list of all the stupid things you should stop doing, and “bitching about trivial things on Occidentalism.org” should be put at the top of the list. 🙂

  14. comment number 14 by: egg

    When I see these kind of news, I can`t help wondering, does the S.Korean people really want frienship with Japanese people?
    I feel nothing wrong in condemning other people as long as the claim is based on facts, and counter-arguements against it is sincerely replied. About this case both condition is not maintained.
    Of course S.Korean people has the right to decide whom they chose to be friends(or enemies). But at the same time, they shouldn`t forget people in other countries has it too, and patience will not last for ever.

  15. comment number 15 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    I showed my source. Unless you care to deny that the article was talking about you.

    I care about how you’re using a hyped article to show that I’m a Krazy Korean Nationalist.
    .
    Seems you can’t bring up a better point than that.

  16. comment number 16 by: nigelboy

    The South Korean diplomat also said his country “deems it inappropriate to name a sea area after a specific country without consent of other states directly concerned.”

    Another example of OINK logic.

  17. comment number 17 by: GarlicBreath

    I care about how you’re using a hyped article to show that I’m a Krazy Korean Nationalist.
    .

    A person who devotes his time and effort to misinform people about Corean related issues, doesn’t want to be thought of as a nationalist.

    Pro-Korean users include “Korea history” and “General Tiger” (the Korean Peninsula is said to be shaped like a curled up tiger.)

    Even your name stinks of corean chauvinism. Tigger.

  18. comment number 18 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    A person who devotes his time and effort to misinform people about Corean related issues, doesn’t want to be thought of as a nationalist.

    Given that you seem to NOT have read any of my edits(which was against any NPOV things), I would say you’re escaping the issue.

    “General Tiger” (the Korean Peninsula is said to be shaped like a curled up tiger.)

    I only used Tiger because it’s in my real name: there’s the character ‘寅,’ which has the meaning tiger in it.
    .
    Check. Unless you managed to refute my comments, it’s checkmate, my friend.

  19. comment number 19 by: GarlicBreath

    Check. Unless you managed to refute my comments, it’s checkmate, my friend.

    Refute what? Your name? I didn’t write the article. It said you were a nationalist. But I believe it.

    I would say you’re escaping the issue.

    I have provided support for what I wrote. You are running away. Checkmate. kakakak.. that will get lil’al all excited…

  20. comment number 20 by: egg

    GarlicBreath
    I feel sorry if I annoy you but is one`s ideology that important when arguing a claim? Isn`t it the contents of a claim that matters? To say further, about the contents of this article, you don`t seem to have an objection against the opinion which GeneralTiger wrote. Why do you need to refer to, determine or prove his ideology? It puzzles me quite much.

  21. comment number 21 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    I have provided support for what I wrote. You are running away. Checkmate. kakakak.. that will get lil’al all excited…

    And your support seems to be based on passion, rather than hard facts.
    .
    Care to refute the origin of the “General Tiger” name?

  22. comment number 22 by: GarlicBreath

    egg:
    Why do you need to refer to, determine or prove his ideology?

    Well after I wrote this:

    Coreans are obsessed with this issue (yes all Coreans) for the same reason they are obsessed with takeshima, known as DukDo to the occupying corneas. Coreans are obsessed with “beating” japan. Japan is following the right course in stopping corea at every opportunity. Japan needs to be as aggressive as Corea in this area.

    Tigg wrote this:

    I take it that you don’t recognize me as a Korean, lol.

    That means he claims that he is not interested in the takeshima, and sea of japan issues. This is clearly not the case. Tigg is a nationalist corean, and I do not want the casual observer to this blog to think otherwise.
    .

    By the way, it was the article of tiggs lame wiki editing that noted his nationalistic moniker.

  23. comment number 23 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    That means he claims that he is not interested in the takeshima, and sea of japan issues. This is clearly not the case. Tigg is a nationalist corean, and I do not want the casual observer to this blog to think otherwise.

    I’m certainly not “obsessed” with the issue. You said ALL Koreans were OBSESSED with Dokdo. Since I’m not “obsessed” with it, under your logic, I’m not Korean. Talk about ignoring your own words, lol.

    By the way, it was the article of tiggs lame wiki editing that noted his nationalistic moniker

    Try reading my edits (link is above) and then come back to me. Or are you too lazy to actual find facts for yourself, and rely on “sources” that speculates the origins on my name using the shape of the Korean Peninsula?

  24. comment number 24 by: GarlicBreath

    And your support seems to be based on passion, rather than hard facts

    .

    Passion? I didn’t write the the article for ohmynews. The lamest edit war ever was your doing.
    .

    Care to refute the origin of the “General Tiger” name?

    why not prove that it is your real name. Put up a link with your corean id card. Otherwise, you can claim whatever you want. Am I next to disprove that you are a general?
    .
    Like I said, I agree with ohmynews that the name is nationalitic. But doesn’t corea look like a rabbit much more? Like a rabbit right about to go into a pot.

  25. comment number 25 by: alec931

    General Tiger,
    .
    You can’t reason with clowns. It’s a lost cause.
    .
    .
    MorningBreath,
    .
    “why not prove that it is your real name. Put up a link with your corean id card.”
    .
    Why don’t you put up your passport for all to see? (I won’t bother to ask for a driver’s license, considering you’re not old enough to drive 🙂 )

  26. comment number 26 by: General Tiger

    alec931:

    You can’t reason with clowns. It’s a lost cause.

    Yes, but I’m unselfishly working to enlighten them /sarcasm
    .
    GarlicBreath:

    The lamest edit war ever was your doing.

    *Yawn* And I suppose you went through my edits?

    Am I next to disprove that you are a general?

    Then, am I to prove that you really are breath made from garlic?

  27. comment number 27 by: GarlicBreath

    You can’t reason with clowns. It’s a lost cause.

    kakakka… man oh man.. I must boil you up.. kakakak.. :). But like I said, I would much rather discuss the issues with you. .. but.. you can’t, kakaka. kakakak..

  28. comment number 28 by: GarlicBreath

    Then, am I to prove that you really are breath made from garlic?

    I make no claim about my moniker. YOU DID ABOUT YOURS.

  29. comment number 29 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    I make no claim about my moniker. YOU DID ABOUT YOURS.

    That’s because you made the claim that my name is based on the shape of the Korean peninsula using the article. You’re the one that started this, my friend.

  30. comment number 30 by: alec931

    breath,
    .
    “kakakka… man oh man.. I must boil you up.. kakakak..
    .
    yep, you really boil me up.
    .
    oh garl……if you want to be taken seriously, which I can see you really want to, I suggest you stop being so lame.
    .
    .
    “But like I said, I would much rather discuss the issues with you. .. but.. you can’t, kakaka. kakakak..”
    .
    Sorry. Getting caught up trying to reason with you? That would make me the lame one…..nice try though 😉

  31. comment number 31 by: GarlicBreath

    That’s because

    Thats because… thats because.. quit acting like a child. YOU made a claim about the origon of your name, and YOU can prove it. Don’t try and blame me becaue YOU made the claim. Grow up tigg.

    you made the claim that my name is based on the shape of the Korean peninsula using the article

    That is a stretch. Let me see if I got this. “I made the claim based on the article”. Doesn’t that just mean the artice made the claim, and I just pointed it out. Again I will show you the quote. I admit, I agree with the author of the article on lame edit wars, and the connection the author makes about your moniker and coreas so called shape of a tiger (methinks its a rabbit though).

    Pro-Korean users include “Korea history” and “General Tiger” (the Korean Peninsula is said to be shaped like a curled up tiger.)

    yep, you really boil me up.

    I will leave you alone lil’al. kakakkaakk kakakka.. kakak.. and I don’t blame you for fearing to go toe to toe with me on the issues. Now run along and go play starcraft with kteen and your kpuppy.
    .
    kakakkk kakakkak

  32. comment number 32 by: egg

    GarlicBreath

    That means he claims that he is not interested in the takeshima, and sea of japan issues.

    Isn`t it his sarcasm against your generalization? I mean wasn`t he counter-arguing the contents of your first post? If it is, I don`t think he isn`t interested in this issue.

    Tigg is a nationalist corean, and I do not want the casual observer to this blog to think otherwise.

    I guess I have said this before to someone else but why not let the readers decide for themselves? Aren`t we here to have discussions about contents of the issues Matt and Gerry provide? Do ideologies, motives, or backgrounds
    matter much?
    .
    I tend to get off topix myself (I feel sorry now)so I guess I am not the right person to point this out, but let`s just get back to arguing the contents. I feel only 4~6 contents related post among the total 30 is a little too much. Let`s just go back.
    I will try to make this, my last contents irrevant post.

  33. comment number 33 by: GarlicBreath

    Aren`t we here to have discussions about contents of the issues Matt and Gerry provide?

    Then why are you asking about my pointing out tiggs nationist wiki editing?

    but why not let the readers decide for themselves?

    Then why did you say this.

    I don`t think he isn`t interested in this issue.

    You stated your opinion and I will state mine. Egg you hold people to different standards. You can give your opinion, and tigg his, but I can’t give mine. You question my motives, and deny me the same right to question the motives of others.

    Let`s just go back.
    I will try to make this, my last contents irrevant post.

    Thank you.
    .
    Back to the topic. It looks like another east sea storm. Which “east sea” you say?

  34. comment number 34 by: egg

    GarlicBreath
    Thank you for going back.
    I guess it is included in one of them. Using the East sea will just bring confusion I guess.
    By the way I thought old maps said Oriental sea and not the East sea.

  35. comment number 35 by: HanComplex

    I’m glad the Geographic Conference decided wisely on this issue. That body of water is recognized by the rest of the world as the Sea of Japan; changing it to fit one country’s political agenda is nonsensical.

  36. comment number 36 by: GarlicBreath

    South corea has a very weak case in its arguemnt to call the Sea of Japan the east sea. North Corea uses even a more corea-centric name of “east sea of Corea”. I think there is no historical evidence at all of that particular combination.
    .
    here is a study on this topic. (pdf)

  37. comment number 37 by: toadface

    Garlicbreath, I gotta disagree.

    The Korean argument has historical, factual merit. What the Koreans are saying is backed by the chart the Japanese themselves present at the end of this “study”

    What we see is that prior to the Meiji colonial-expansionist era the name “Sea of Japan” was not a standard name at all. The Oriental Sea, the Sea of Corea etc were used quite frequently.

    Be wary of any website with “.jp” at the end.

    There are plenty of maps that show Sea of Corea on maps. The Korean argument is silly but has historical basis.

    http://digarc.usc.edu/search/controller/browse.htm?summary=&panelId=tree1Panel&collectionList=seakorea&title=Sea+of+Korea+Maps&type=Collections

  38. comment number 38 by: ponta

    The Korean argument is silly but has historical basis.

    I am glad Toadface has admitted the Korean argument is silly.
    That is right, it is as silly as the claim “Be wary of any website with “.jp” at the end.”
    Who claimed it? —-Toadface.

    Korea is not totally without historical basis on this issue, but Japan’s claim is by far more convincing.

  39. comment number 39 by: Ken

    It is reported Korean delegation incurred ohters’ cold smiles when they fell into silence to the UK delegation’s query, “What will you deal with West Sea?”.
    I want Koreans to express those stupid things forthright as far as they have such anti-Japan sentiment in order for Japan not to aid Korea at upcoming crisis unlike last time.
    The author of the book I introduced before is broadcasted and warning Korean emmigrants are running away with money to contribute to money shortage in Korea by contraries to before-posted topic.
    http://vision.ameba.jp/watch.do?movie=566032

  40. comment number 40 by: egg

    Is there a chance that the next president of S.Korea will stop this name-changing policy? Taking advantage of history with fabricated facts (including this issue) is just enough.

  41. comment number 41 by: General Tiger

    egg:

    Is there a chance that the next president of S.Korea will stop this name-changing policy?

    I hope so, since Korea has other things to worry about (like Gando) than changing the name of a sea.

  42. comment number 42 by: Gerry-Bevers

    General Tiger,

    I think it would be a mistake for Korea to make an issue of “Gando” since it would almost certainly piss off China, who may decide to assert her claim on North Korea.

  43. comment number 43 by: General Tiger

    Gerry:

    I think it would be a mistake for Korea to make an issue of “Gando” since it would almost certainly piss off China, who may decide to assert her claim on North Korea.

    True, but that’ll eventually be something that ROK and PRC will clash on once reunification happens. I’m stating that Koreans should prepare for the future diplomatic conflict.

  44. comment number 44 by: egg

    General Tiger
    I hope so too. It is a pity that our relationship is not going well, considering that we are neighbors (I admit there tend to be probrems between neighboring countries though.).
    Well, even if he doesn`t, time may come when someone will, perhaps when people like you start moving the S.Korean society. I hope it won`t take long, and my patience lasts.
    I wish these probrems get solved in our days, so that our relations will be better in the days of our children.
    hmmm… might have been a bit off topix, sorry, so I will stop here.

  45. comment number 45 by: jjok

    N. Korea used to be proposing the East Sea of Korea of which is much better and far more reasonable than ambiguous East Sea that is also used by Vietnamese and Chinese (former frequently uses East Sea in their English news papers, and the East Sea Fleet is not Korean fleet). Does anyone know when they switched to Sea of Korea?

    I think that Sea of Korea (and Korea Strait) is also remnants of Japanese imperialism under Sakoku policy and Europeans adapted the Japanese name. I do not think Korea historically used those names by herself, or did they?

    Anyway, if Koreans want to sincerely apologize to Vietnam for their massacre, they should give up East Sea and support Vietnamese to propose concurrent use of East Sea for South China Sea against imperialistic China who claims all the islands in the South China Sea are Chinese territory.

  46. comment number 46 by: GarlicBreath

    Does anyone know when they switched to Sea of Korea?

    They still call it the east sea of Corea.
    .
    Roh wanted to call the sea of japan, the sea of peas. That made me laugh. What a dummy. The sea already has a name.
    .

    Coreans will accept any name other then Sea of Japan, because according to corean logic, Sea of Japan means Japan owns the sea. Of course that is wacky and coreans will deny this, but that is what I have heard many times from my corean friends.

  47. comment number 47 by: jjok

    GarlicBreath,

    This time, North proposed Sea of Korea instead of East Sea of Korea, although Sea of Korea is more rational than Koreacentric East Sea for international use.

    Some say Korea is nation of emotion (情), Japan is nation of logic (理)(, and China is nation of relation?(義)). However, I always feel North is more logical and reasonable than South. I like the logic of East Sea of Korea, which satisfies East Sea and Korea simultaneously and I do not understand why South disrespects this logic and sticks to literal translation of domestic name, East Sea that has difficulty to obtain supports, especially from China and Vietnam.

  48. comment number 48 by: jjok

    I also think President No should propose Pacific Sea instead of Sea of Peace. (I just understand the idea of Blue Sea came from the comparison to Yellow Sea)

  49. comment number 49 by: empraptor

    Great news. Maybe the issue will die a quick and silent death. I doubt it though.