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Disgrace – Koreans send home Taiwanese kids baseball team

August 24th, 2006 . by Matt

victory stolen by Korea
One of the Taiwanese kids that had victory stolen from him because Koreans could not handle being beaten by foreigners

A Taiwanese Kids baseball team that was invited to play in Korea proved to be too strong for the Korean teams, so the Korean organisers decided to snatch what was a likely victory from the hands of the Taiwanese kids team, and forbade them from playing in the final 4. From ETtoday News

台中市力行國小棒球隊,本月初應邀到韓國參加邀請賽,選手們一路過關斬將,最後進入8強,不料韓國隊卻以要把冠軍留在當地為理由,禁止力行少棒隊繼續比賽,小選手們黯然回國,因為為了遠征韓國,一個人繳了3萬元,卻遭到這樣無理的對待。

力行國小的小選手,這一棒揮的又高又遠,這是本月初在韓國舉行的廳長盃少棒比賽,首戰就痛宰對手,以20比0提前結束比賽,大會跌破眼鏡,他們一路過關斬將,最後躋身進入前八強,沒想到在大夥磨刀霍霍要拿下冠軍的那一刻,比賽突然喊停。

力行少棒隊教練江老師表示,「他怕我們把冠軍旗帶走,因為冠軍旗是他們國內的,所以就跟我們聯繫教練,告訴他說,只讓我們打到四強,希望我們不要再打下去了。」

不讓國外球隊參加決賽的理由,教練一氣之下,和大會起了肢體衝突,依舊抗議無效,小選手們只好黯然退出比賽,只是這一趟韓國行,原本預計行程20天,一個人團費高達3萬元,小選手們家長籌錢籌的好辛苦,卻換來這樣無理的待遇。

力行少棒隊選手說,「覺得韓國隊很奇怪,不讓我們拿冠軍旗」,「就很沒品!」

大會的無理禁賽,讓小選手們氣炸了,他們說,只是想和國外球隊切磋球技,不過,回國後,他們繼續奮力練球,相信總有一天能在國際場合遇到韓國隊,勢必再痛宰對手,讓他們刮目相看。

Native speaker assisted translation –

The kids from Taizhong Lixing Private School baseball team was invited by the organisers of a kids baseball tournament in Korea and went to Korea, and overcame barriers to get into the top 8. After the the Koreans said that only Koreans will be allowed to win, and they were not allowed to play anymore. The reason the Korean side gave was that “victory is reserved for a Korean team”. They returned to Taiwan despondent.

The Taiwanese team played very well in Korea the earlier this month, they beat the other team in the first round finishing early with a stunning victory of 20:0, making everyone surprised. They finally got into top 8, but nobody believed that korea would stop them to keep playing when it really looked like they could win.

Teacher zhang for the Tainwanese team said that “they were scared we would win, because the winners trophy belongs to their country, so they talked to us, and only allowed us to play until top 4, forbidding us to continue beyond that”.

Not allowing the overseas team to play final round made the Taiwanese coach very angry, and he got into a scuffle with the organisers. However, the complaint still did not work, and kids had to withdraw from the final and leave Korea sad.

This trip to korea, planned to be 20 days, and the personal expense was as high as 30000 Taiwanese dollars for each kid, which was a heavy price for their parents to pay, but they still got this unreasonable treatment from korea.

The kids in the Taiwanese team said “the Koreans are wierd, they dont want to allow us to win, it’s unreasonable”. Having been kicked out of the tournament, all the Taiwanese players got really angry. They said they only want to communicate using their playing skill with the Korean teams. But they will keep playing hard after they get back to Taiwan. They believe there will be one day when they can play with a korean team in an international match, and definitely take victory, and make the Koreans upset.

There is low, and then there is really low. Snatching victory from the hands of foreign kids is a new nadir even by Korean standards.

Quite simply disgusting.


43 Responses to “Disgrace – Koreans send home Taiwanese kids baseball team”

  1. comment number 1 by: KapSin

    Idiots. If the Korean organizers really wanted a native team to win, they should have resorted to the favorite Korean sports pastime: Bribing officials.

  2. comment number 2 by: Travolta

    What was the point of inviting them if they were never going to give them a fair go? I can only guess they thought they would beat the Taiwanese team and that would make them all feel even better about being Korean.

    How terrible. I know many Koreans would also find this sickening. I hope it gets out in Korea and those who organised the whole thing get in a lot of trouble.

  3. comment number 3 by: Rose

    I know many Koreans would also find this sickening.

    Obviously if the majority of Koreans would find it sickening, this would not have happened at all.
    I think Koreans would find it more sickening when they lose…we’ve seen it repeatedly whenever they do something internationally.

  4. comment number 4 by: dogbert

    I would like to learn the Korean side to this story, but have not seen it reported in the Korean press.

  5. comment number 5 by: Rose

    By the way, this is a perfect example of how Koreans typically act.

    1. They decide what they want as the outcome.
    2. They would do literally anything to try and get what they want regardless of what the situation is.

    This is where they stand right now for this case but normally what follows is:

    3. They distort facts because by forcing the outcome something had to be sacrificed.

    I think 90% of all the things we hear from or about Korea is either related to or direct results of this method of action shared by Koreans.

  6. comment number 6 by: HanComplex

    I’ve been lurking for awhile here and have been reading the informative and intellectual discussions on the site. Reading this, however, finally made me sign up and join.

    This is really despicable. It seems their dishonesty knows no bounds. We’re talking about young kids, who have probably ventured outside Taiwan for the first time in their life for the interest of fair play and good sportsmanship with other youths (e.g. from Korea) with similar interests. I’m sure they were very excited about all of this.

    More than the sport itself is the friendships they would’ve and could’ve made. Given the costs their parents shouldered no doubt they gave it their all. But after this experience, what kind of impression do you think it’ll leave these young boys with? As the news item said, “They believe there will be one day when they can play with a korean team in an international match, and definitely take victory, and make the Koreans upset.” The Korean’s grossly misconduct has done nothing but sow discord and distrust on young impressionable minds. Well done, Korea.

    To think that Taiwan is actually one of the first countries to embrace Korean pop culture. Korean shows and stars are to this day popular there and TW fans even travel all over Asia to support their idols. In return for this, young TW baseball players are not even allowed to win a game and are sent packing home. All because of the host nation, with their deep inferiority complex, might lose. Seriously, after the recent World Cup offside-flag fiasco I wonder if the word ‘sportsmanship’ is even in the Korean dictionary. It’s just so shameless.

    I hope someone here who knows Korean can translate this article and post it along with the photo and original link to forums at Naver and several other Korean websites. That should give them an idea that the world knows how low they have gone and hopefully shame them enough to reflect on their collective ultranationalistic complex. Done enough times with countless examples–as I’m sure this won’t be the last we’ll hear of such a thing–that should at least get them to start thinking. It’s a start, but since this nationalistic brainwashing is deeply entrenched in their psyche, any start is a good start.

    This comment from the article best sums up the Korean take on sports:

    The Koreans are weird, they don’t want to allow us to win. It’s unreasonable

  7. comment number 7 by: GarlicBreath

    Welcome HanComplex.

    You have some very thoughtful advice. I myself have often wished for the same thing. But the big problem is that once you critize Korea you risk being labeled as “anti-korean” or racist etc. Many foreigners in and out of korea, behave like ‘stepford wife’s’ where they act and think even more korean then a korean. If you point out something that happends quite offten in korea and its negative they will try and burn you at the stake. Defence is futile. The poor owner of this blog has been accused of many evil things because he points out some of the true events that Koreans do.

    There is one Canadian English teacher that lurks around here and the Marmot hole that can discuss this in detail. Or perhaps she is one of the stake burners. I am not sure which. Well needless to say 90% of the k-bloggers could collect a check from VANK.

    Thank god almighty for Matt.

  8. comment number 8 by: firesoferebus

    If they really wanted to win, they probably should have invited some team from another country. I mean… aren’t Taiwanese kids pretty good at baseball? Apparently, in the last 60-ish years of the Little League World Series, Taiwanese teams made it to the finals about 20 times…

  9. comment number 9 by: randomcow

    I asked my Taiwanese friend about it (I forwarded the original Chinese version). She said she didn’t really think much of it. I pushed the issue (“what about the poor children??!”), and she said that maybe in future she would consider not going to Korea for a holiday.

    I don’t know. Maybe it was just the person I was talking to, but she wasn’t very concerned about the issue. Maybe there is something missing from your translation Matt?

    RC

  10. comment number 10 by: Matt

    RC, your friend sounds very apathetic. Is your friend a Taiwanese in Taiwan? Distance and nationality may be related to the strength of feeling on the matter. Or perhaps your friend is just totally disinterested. I dont think there is anything wrong with the translation – I had it verified by a native speaker.

  11. comment number 11 by: HanComplex

    GarlicBreath, thanks for the welcome. I thought I was the only one annoyed by Korean ultranationalism, especially when it comes to sports, until I came across this site and other Korean-related blogs. The objective and intelligent articles and discussions I find very engaging. Big thanks to Matt for starting up this site. (Though, still wondering what ‘Occidentalism’ has to do with Korea/Asia-related topics. 🙂

    For those who missed the recent World Cup K-brouhaha, Jeff at Ruminations wrote this classic article (complete with teary-eyed photos):

  12. comment number 12 by: HanComplex

    Oops, here’s the link:

    Dream is Dead

  13. comment number 13 by: empraptor

    That really is disgusting. Sounds like there’s no coverage of this in Korea media? They should cover this and cause whoever’s responsible fired.

  14. comment number 14 by: Sonagi

    There is one Canadian English teacher that lurks around here and the Marmot hole that can discuss this in detail.

    Who would that be?

  15. comment number 15 by: randomcow

    She is a Taiwanese living in Taiwan (though I met her in Australia – remember me talking about the girl from my Japanese class who went crazy when I dumped her?) Anyway, I told her that her that she was just like the mainland Chinese, where if something doesn’t concern them directly* they aren’t interested, and she started defending herself saying that China and Taiwan are completely different, etc. I was going to say that I am looking forward to the reunification of China with Taiwan but I decided against it.

    RC

    * Unless it concerns Japan – all affairs concerning Japan also concern China. And Korea, for that matter.

  16. comment number 16 by: Sonagi

    Matt,

    I found a lot of the posts under the anti-American section rather, um, amusing, to say the least. I assumed you were an Aussie. Are you American or have you spent a lot of time in the US?

  17. comment number 17 by: Matt

    Matt,

    I found a lot of the posts under the anti-American section rather, um, amusing, to say the least. I assumed you were an Aussie. Are you American or have you spent a lot of time in the US?

    I am an Australian, that is friendly to America. I am against some American policies without being anti-American. The only time I spent in the US is in Hawaii. By the way, the reading FAQ is a good way to find out a little about me and this site. I think I will have to update it soon, though.

  18. comment number 18 by: Sonagi

    am against some American policies without being anti-American.

    Certainly. Being opposed to a political policy does not make anyone of any nationality “anti-American.”

  19. comment number 19 by: Matt

    Certainly. Being opposed to a political policy does not make anyone of any nationality “anti-American.”

    Some people try to cover up their anti-Americanism by saying that they just hate Bush, or other excuses. Anyway, back to the topic of Taiwanese kids. If you have any questions about me, feel free to drop me an email at [email protected]

  20. comment number 20 by: Sonagi

    Matt,

    How did you stumble on this amazing story?

  21. comment number 21 by: Matt

    I found it on a Japanese site at first, then I had to confirm the truth of it for myself (It was Darin that showed it to me first, but he was too lazy to write about it 🙂 ). So I looked at the Taiwanese news sites, and found it. In the link I provided, you can also see the televised news story, if you are a member.

  22. comment number 22 by: GarlicBreath

    It seems that a lot of Gyopos that comment on Korean Blogs like the Marmot really hate the USA. No matter what is going on in Korea or the world they will alway point out that the USA is worse. You dont have to be an American to find that annoying.

    Matt is right that people will mask their hatred for American by claiming that they hate Bush because of his ‘axis of evil’ comments.

  23. comment number 23 by: usinkorea

    This did remind me of how the Taiwanese teams has gotten caught, I believe more than once, violating the age restrictions on the team sent for the Little League World Series.

    But, that doesn’t take away from what happened to these kids in Korea.

    And I thought the same as another commenter above – why did the organizers of this tournament invite a Taiwanese team when they have been very famous for a long time in producing top notch little league teams?

  24. comment number 24 by: tman

    why? because I bet there is more to this story that hasn’t been mentioned.

  25. comment number 25 by: Sonagi

    Matt,

    Could you provide the link? I can’t speak Japanese, but I can read it. tman’s comment gives me pause, and I would like to read about it from a non-Taiwanese source.

  26. comment number 26 by: Shinigami J

    Sonagi – Let everyone know what you find, I’m pretty interested in this as well, but I wouldn’t put it past the Koreans to be proud to the point that they can’t lose “face”. And the Taiwanese always show themselves as the “unlucky” or “oppressed” nation struggling to run by themselves with their indifferences with China.

    One person sees someone helping a lady carry her handbag to her destination faster.

    One person sees a prank show skit.

    One person sees someone robbing her. 🙂

  27. comment number 27 by: Matt

    Matt,

    Could you provide the link? I can’t speak Japanese, but I can read it. tman’s comment gives me pause, and I would like to read about it from a non-Taiwanese source.

    Sonagi, from a blog here. You will notice that their information was derived from Taiwanese sources, not Japanese sources.

  28. comment number 28 by: Sonagi

    The story in the Japanese blog is a word-for-word translation of the Taiwanese original with some key parts highlighted in large, red text.

    The only corrections I would make to the English translation of the Chinese original are:

    “Teacher Zhang is “Coach Zhang”

    and this last sentence:

    讓他們刮目相看

    I would translate it as: “make the Koreans respect them.”

  29. comment number 29 by: ponta

    Sonagi
    Here is another source.

    台中市力行國小應邀參加韓國當地的全國少棒賽。

    十七個參賽隊伍當中,只有台灣是外國隊,偏偏力行國小實力超強,因此韓國為了留下冠軍旗,最後硬是要求我方棄權,退出冠亞軍賽。

    出國前就是這個願望,可惜無法實現,不是實力不佳而是敗給南韓的蠻橫不講理,台中市力行國小少棒隊,應邀參加韓國廳長盃全國少棒賽,總共十七個隊伍,只有台灣是外國隊,而且是五年級生,年紀最小的一隊,偏偏實力超強,一開賽就連戰三勝, 其中對上韓國西部國小少棒隊這一場,還創下二十比零的完全比賽, 也就是無安打無保送比賽,實力強到讓韓國人害怕,結果,主辦單位為了面子,硬是要把冠軍旗留在國內,居然惡劣的要求力行棄權冠亞軍戰, 經過據理力爭,南韓還是以因雨停賽,力行少棒隊棄權為由,很不光彩的留住冠軍旗,教練趕緊安慰小將們,化悲憤為力量,將來在國際賽重創南韓, 目前,力行少棒隊正加緊練球,希望明年威廉波特世界少棒賽,拿下冠軍替台灣爭一口氣link

    Were Taiwan kids older than Korean kids?
    It seems they were invited by Korean side.

    BTW
    Japanese blog Matt showed says also Taiwan team won the first place in baseball tournament in Chiba, Japan.
    link

    台湾チーム「北區西門國民小學棒球隊」優勝!

    Congratulations!!! After all Ou(王), the directer of Japanese professional baseball team I respect most ,is ethnic Taiwanese.

  30. comment number 30 by: Sonagi

    Links, people, links! Please provide links to the original source whenever possible.

  31. comment number 31 by: Sonagi

    Nevermind, I just noticed the word “link” at the very end.

  32. comment number 32 by: GarlicBreath

    Son,

    So angry… so angry.. Ponta is a kind person. You lived in Korea too long. Angry demading might be OK in Korea but many non-koreans think its rude. As i said before. Honey will get you the flies (korean man) better then vinegar).

  33. comment number 33 by: ponta

    Sonagi
    So what is your opinion?
    I am asking this because it is “amazing” that your response to the article is just this is “amazing story” and keep asking about the source .

    I wanted to know if the Taiwan team was informed beforehand that it could not play to the last, but it seems that it was not, and it also seems that they were invited by Korean side.

    To me what is ” amazing” about this story is that (1) it is against fair play that kids are supposed to learn from sports,(2) Korea media are silent about it, (3) the many pro-Korean commenter are also silent about it. (empraptor is a exception)
    To me the most serious problems that Korean society are facing are (2) and (3).It is a good sign that The Metropolitician point out the similar problem.(I guess he is ethnic Korean)
    Every society has some problems, but Koreans tend to ignore their own problems but blame others vehemently for the same problem if Japan USA etc are somehow concerned. For the outsider their reaction looks hypocrisy. When they are pointed out they have the same problem, their typical reaction I often get is other countries also do it ,Korea is better, the source is not reliable, I don’t believe it, you are racist, you are descendant of murderer.
    Unless Korea is spitting other country, few people give a damn about Korea in particular. The point is not that they can not blame others;they can but they should blame themselves with the same violence they do to others. And if they realized that they were also sinners, the way they blame other would change. So far it seems for the outsiders few Koreans accept it.(I guess that is one interpretation of a parable in Bible about a sinner. I am not a Christian, though)
    I think this post show a good exapmle.

  34. comment number 34 by: tomato

    Ponta,

    I doubt they will ever realize…their ultranationalistic fervor is not just a result of years of brainwashing by their autocratic government, but it is in the bones of these people…also, the weird logic they use in order to “beat” arguments (which can be seen the so-called Dokdo arguments and the arguments about the Japanese colonization) is part of their die-hard culture. In fact, the Chosen dynasty was obsessed with constant argument over who is the legitimate heir of the Ming dynasty and the “Chinese Order” that they destroyed themsleves…but I think it is benefical for people from other countris like us to know what we are dealing with, and to be prepared. Or am I to pessimistic?

  35. comment number 35 by: Sonagi

    This story is an example of poor sportsmanship. It was shameful and wrong to send the Taiwanese team home without letting them play for the championship. The Korean organizers have also hurt the Korean teams who participate although they probably don’t realize it. Limiting the competition reduces the value of the achievement for the trophy winner. Disinviting a Taiwanese team will discourage Taiwanese and other foreign teams from participating in future events and thus make it harder to raise the level of play in Korean youth baseball. Worst of all, all of these kids have learned an awful lesson because the organizers placed national pride above good sportsmanship.

  36. comment number 36 by: ponta

    Tomato
    I guess you are too pessimistic.
    There are a lot of ethnic Koreans educated in the west who know much better. And if native Koreans are completely brainwashed, have no chance to change their view, there is no point in talking to them.

    Sonagi
    Thank you for your response. I am expecting you to give us a good comment on this blog. (And please feel free to criticise me, Japan,or anything as long as it is related to the topic.)


  37. […] While it isn’t actually relevant to this story, I’d like to point out the case of the Taiwanese Little League team that was invited to a South Korean tournament and subsequently banned from competing in the final round because the organizers did not want to see a foreign team win. Let’s hope the Little League World series never turns into an ultra-nationalist sham like that. Help Japanprobe Grow by sharing this post:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]

  38. comment number 38 by: Mewlet

    Not being recognized as a nation in most parts of the world, Taiwan is especially susceptible this kind of abuse. This and the national flag removal incident on the 27th in Thailand (http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/060827/8/2n5q.html) shows that nobody really cares about Taiwan.

    Easy target…


  39. […] Maybe they saw this. More seriously though, I hear that when South Korea decided to recognise mainland China as the legitimate government of all China, including Taiwan, the Korean government treated the Taiwanese in an extremely harsh manner. Maybe some commenters can fill us in on the details of that. […]

  40. comment number 40 by: empraptor

    GarlicBreath,

    Matt is right that people will mask their hatred for American by claiming that they hate Bush because of his ‘axis of evil’ comments.

    I don’t know about Gyopos on Korean blogs, but I don’t like Bush because his policies seem as dumb as he acts. Invading Afghanistan and fighting the Taliban, I can understand.

    But even when Bush had me convinced Iraq had WMD’s I thought it was dumb to go to war in Iraq. Thought it would cost us too much money, lives, and would take decades to get out of there.

    Now that we know there were no WMD’s and Bush has changed his tune to some BS about how it was Iraqi freedom he was going for all along, I think he’s a dumb cheating (the old labels) lying (the new part) psychopath.


  41. […] is is beyond low if true: The kids from Taizhong Lixing Private School baseball team was invited by the organisers of a kids baseball tournament in Korea and went to Korea, and overcame barriers to get into the top 8. After the the Koreans said that only Koreans will be allowed to win, and they were not allowed to play anymore. The reason the Korean side gave was that ¿victory is reserved for a Korean team¿. They returned to Taiwan despondent. […]

  42. comment number 42 by: GarlicBreath

    Another disgrace for Korea. corean judges helping the corean side

    Last month’s Korean Open was marred by a series of controversial line calls with South Korea’s Lee Hyun-il defeating Chinese world number one Lin Dan in the men’s singles final.

    From the real winner Lin Dan:

    I played in Korea; and the Koreans are so united even when they are deliberately dishonest, they seem so much that they are in the right and firm about it. Why can’t we Chinese show some unity when we are ill-treated?

    China needs to get her revenge in the olympics.
    .
    This is the latest cheat in a long line of corean cheating. Remeber the 88 olympics? Or the 2002 world cup?

  43. comment number 43 by: Errol

    GarlicBreath you are unbelievable.
    .
    Korean law enforcement selectively enforced in favour of Koreans and against Furrners.
    .
    Next you’ll be claiming Korean courts unfairly rule against foreign companies.
    .
    Or that Korean police prefer not to prosecute foreigners who are assaulted by Korean males.
    .
    What is your next outrageous belief?
    .
    That Lee Myoung-bak should start a campaign to make furrners (especially furrn investors) a protected species?
    .
    That when they are assaulted, had their money “re-allocated” or “lose” a sporting contest President Lee will overrule Korean law enforcers and corrupt Korean impartiality with western imperialism?