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Dokdo Neckties!

May 17th, 2006 . by Matt

Forget about making rude comments about atomic bombings of Japan, and Dokdo panties that people cannot even see, make a subtle statement to the Japanese ambassdor with Dokdo Neckties!

dokdo necktie

Now you too can be just like South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon (pictured center) and show that you really love Dokdo, a place that you have never been to and no Korean has historically lived on.

Maybe the Foreign Minister should take a look at Gerry’s site for the true history of Dokdo.


24 Responses to “Dokdo Neckties!”

  1. comment number 1 by: nou

    Now you too can be just like South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon (pictured center) and show that you really love Dokdo, a place that you have never been to and no Korean has historically lived on.

    I wanted to wear Airs Rock t-shirt but i reckon i can’t. i’ve never been to Airs rock and no korean has historically lived on there.

    (Koreans have lived on Dokdo since the 20th century and i think 20th century is included in the history. before 20C, no one regardless of nationality has lived there.)

    Maybe the Foreign Minister should take a look at Gerry’s site for the true history of Dokdo.

    Wait a minute. The “true” history? I don’t think you are qualifed enough to use that word here. This guy seems more credible to me than the “true historian” Gerry Beaver. I wonder GB can refute that guy.

    I don’t get why you care much about a gentleman’s necktie. If Shimane Pref can make a stunt of Takeshima Day, then the foreign minister can also wear Dokdo necktie which doesn’t have any offensive design. As far as I know, you never criticized Takeshima Day. What is your double standard that wants Koreans shut up about the island while Japanese can sing a song about it?

    i have a better material for your hobby of laughing out Korea. This swimsuit is awful because of its profit seeking using nationalism and the ridiculous design: fire on the crotch!

  2. comment number 2 by: Matt

    What is your double standard that wants Koreans shut up about the island while Japanese can sing a song about it?

    Japanese have a song about Dokdo? If Japanese write something I think is wrong, I will answer them.

  3. comment number 3 by: nou

    No japanese song on Dokdo, AFAIK. I meant the necktie of the minister can’t be categorized as a finger chopping wacky. It was as sane act as making Takeshima Day. (The tie neither say “Defend Dokdo!!” nor have a ridicoulous large Dokdo picture. Most people will not notice anything.)

    I mentioned ‘double standard’ being aware of your previous post. You broke your rule here. Why is making Takeshima Day a sane act while having a personalized tie on Dokdo is a finger chopping wacky? I would like to hear some explanation.

  4. comment number 4 by: Matt

    I mentioned ‘double standard’ being aware of your previous post. You broke your rule here. Why is making Takeshima Day a sane act while having a personalized tie on Dokdo is a finger chopping wacky? I would like to hear some explanation.

    Having a personalized tie is not wacky, but the rationalization that leads to it is. It is all part of the “독도! 너를 사랑해!” trend which is finger chopping wacky. Takeshima Day on the other hand was pushed by poor fishermen in Shimane prefecture who were seeing their livelyhoods destroyed because Korea violated the terms of the Fisheries Treaty between Japan and Korea. Takeshima Day was essentially a demand to the central government in Japan to do something about Takeshima/Dokdo. There is a huge difference between the two things.

  5. comment number 5 by: nou

    Thank you for the explanation, Matt.

    It is all part of the “독도! 너를 사랑해!” trend which is finger chopping wacky.

    some of the acts such as stinging japanese flag with bees are definitely wacky. However, Ban’s act as a foreign minister has enough justification. He as the foreign minister of Korea has duty to keep Dokdo under Korean controle. Wearing the tie is the expression of his duty, not overreactional “Let’s love Dokdo”.

  6. comment number 6 by: ponta

    Nou

    This guy seems more credible to me than the “true historian” Gerry Beaver. I wonder GB can refute that guy.

    Do you know any Korean site that discusses the evidence to show the effective control over Dokdo?In terms of international law,that constitutes the legality of the present occupation of Dokdo by Korea.Maps and historical documents are important as far as they reinforce the evidence for the effective control.
    So far I have only found the site that discusses the need to find the evidences. There should be evidences to back up Korean claim otherwise their claim that Dokdo belongs to Korea in terms of internatinal law is just groundless.I don’t think Korea occupy the territory and detained many Japanese fishermen without reasonable basis in terms of international law.
    I’d be happy if you kindly show such a site.

    With regards to wacky,Koizumi used to be called wacky by his Japanese political opponent, so don’t worry too much.
    There are a lot of wacky people in Japan, and they are called wacky.
    Likewise,there are a lot of wacky people in Korea, and I am afraid they are often called heros in Korea.
    That is why this site is valuable.
    Japan,the U.S. and Australia have real critics of their own countries domestically, but it seems Korea has little.

  7. comment number 7 by: James

    What is so great about Dokdo that makes it so worthy of ‘Let’s love Dokdo’ neckties? Dokdo is just a couple worthless rocks. In the name of spreading anti-Japanese frenzy the South Korean government has made a couple pointless islands into the central issue of relations between the two countries. The fact that their foreign minister would get specially-made neckties that highlight the issue seems to underline the absolute ridiculousness of the ‘Dokdo lovefest’. I don’t see any other foreign ministers expressing their duty in necktie form…

  8. comment number 8 by: nou

    Thank you for the site, Ponta. I found another Korean site discussing the legality.

    Japan,the U.S. and Australia have real critics of their own countries domestically, but it seems Korea has little.

    Korea has various views except nationalism toward Japan. Whether you are left or right, nationalism seems to be the religion. There are people who think differently but their voice is still weak. I really hope things get better.

  9. comment number 9 by: Mika

    It seems like many Koreans like nou don’t even know the existence of the Fisheries Treaty between Japan and Korea. Doesn’t Korea have the respect for the treaty or international law?

    Koreans have made a name for themselves as irrational, emotional and one-sided. Its hard to approach their arguments without a large dose of skepticism anymore.

  10. comment number 10 by: nou

    What is so great about Dokdo that makes it so worthy of ‘Let’s love Dokdo’ neckties?

    It’s not a ‘Let’s love Dokdo’ tie. The tie just has two small triangles on it without explicit images.

    Dokdo is just a couple worthless rocks.

    The island itself is not very worthy. However, the island is surrounded by rich fishing area and mineral deposit under water. That’s why two countries are quarelling on it.

    I don’t see any other foreign ministers expressing their duty in necktie form…

    Should he act like other foreign ministers? It’s his own style.

  11. comment number 11 by: nou

    It seems like many Koreans like nou don’t even know the existence of the Fisheries Treaty between Japan and Korea. Doesn’t Korea have the respect for the treaty or international law?

    Did I ever mention anything concerning the Fisheries Treaty or other stuffs related to the legality? This one is one of the most peculiar responses that i’ve ever got in this site. I endured attacks from every corner whenever I posted something here but this one definitely CROSSED THE LINE.

    Unless you can explain why my pseudo is there, please erase my name on your post.

  12. comment number 12 by: ponta

    Nou
    Thanks for the link.I don’t think Korea should worry about “accquiescence” .
    What she needs is the evidences of the effectve control over the territory.
    Japan has several evidences.
    As far as I know, korea has only one, that is,Imperial Decree No. 41 issued in 1900.Which is very weak as an evidence because it contains dubious claims over Dokdo.(it says Ulleungdo, Jukdo and Seokdo, not Dokdo)
    Do you have any other sites?

    Korea has various views except nationalism toward Japan. Whether you are left or right, nationalism seems to be the religion. There are people who think differently but their voice is still weak. I really hope things get better.

    I agree, and I hope so too.

  13. comment number 13 by: texasheat

    What world’s disappoinment to Koreans is:
    When they make an objection against to others, their hi-nationalism blind a focus of argument and lose intelligent consideration such as Gerry’s Web-Site has it. It seems the Korean politicians easy to manipulate the trend of public opinion with their propaganda. May be this is a major reason that the Kim’s Kingdom still remaining in North Korea.

  14. comment number 14 by: georgyporgy

    Dear Nou,

    Korea has various views except nationalism toward Japan. Whether you are left or right, nationalism seems to be the religion. There are people who think differently but their voice is still weak. I really hope things get better.

    Having lived in Korea for a couple of years, I have come to agree with Katsuhiro Kuroda of the Sankei in that as far as Japan is concerned, there is no freedom of speech in Korea. Take Professor 이영훈 (Yeong-hun Lee) of Seoul National U, 김완섭 (Wan-seop Kim), a columnist, and ex-professor emeritus of Korea U 한승조 (Seung-jo Han) for instance, their arguments that Japan’s protectorate of Korea has ALSO made a contribution to Korea for its modernization (though their arguments are based on historical facts and records, and none of them has ever stated that EVERY aspect of what Japan did in Korea was favorable). Korean media, from the most conservative Chosun-Ilbo to the most progressive Hankyeore, all criticized them. This is the most serious problem in Korean journalism. As I see it, “their voices are not weak,” but their voices are weakended by journalism and they are, knowingly, neglected and simply termed as 망언 (falsehood) withough making any rational counter-arguments. This never happens in democracies like Japan, US or Australia.
    I truly hope that Korean journalism (and, in this respect, education as well) will be more mature, and Korea will become a really democratic state.

  15. comment number 15 by: texasheat

    Matt:
    Foreign Minister Mr. Ban is a candidate of a Secretary-General of the United Nations isn’t he?
    Does he realize what’s his function would be?

  16. comment number 16 by: nou

    Thank you for your opinion, Georgy. I think Korea needs nationwide debate on the subject.

  17. comment number 17 by: Mika

    nou,

    Did you know the fact that Korea has been ignoring the fisheries agreement they signed? Don’t you think Korea should keep the agreement before emotionally protesting against Japan?

  18. comment number 18 by: tomato

    For those who do not know due to their ignorance themselves or because the fact is hiden by their regime that fuels hatred towards their neighboring nation, it was agreed between the two governments to lay aside the issue of territory and set a co-using fishery zone around the Takeshima area. However, so far, the South Koreans have been scaring away Japanese fishermen with brute force. Wonderful.

  19. comment number 19 by: stumpjumper

    Korean tourists in Tsushima, Japan
    (Sorry, it is in Japanese):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6oPJDW3ECs

    I wish Korean people respect the cultual differences
    and do not mix up other things with political issues.

  20. comment number 20 by: Matt

    Korean tourists in Tsushima, Japan
    (Sorry, it is in Japanese):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6oPJDW3ECs

    I wish Korean people respect the cultual differences
    and do not mix up other things with political issues.

    That is totally shocking and rude! Terrible behavior.


  21. […] Watch it on Youtube for yourself (Japanese). Thanks to stumpjumper for finding it! […]


  22. […] It wouldn’t be Korean with out Dokdo written all over it! I gotta get me one of those ties. […]

  23. comment number 23 by: Occidentalism

    […] It wouldn’t be Korean with out Dokdo written all over it! I gotta get me one of those ties. […]

  24. comment number 24 by: Genie

    toadface,

    Did you know the fact that Korea has been ignoring the fisheries agreement they signed?
    Don’t you think Korea should keep the agreement before emotionally protesting against Japan?