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Don’t the feds have anything better to do?

March 11th, 2007 . by Matt

Occasional Occidentalism commenter sheik yer mami from the Winds of Jihad blog is being investigated by the Australian Federal Police for what is claimed to be “offensive and racist content” on his blog.

FEDERAL police are investigating an anti-Islamic website that calls on supporters across Australia to oppose a mosque planned for North Cairns.

The “Winds of Jihad” website, created by a Cairns man who calls himself Sheik Yer’Mami, includes instructions to “do whatever it takes to stop them (Muslims) from spreading their tentacles”.

It also urges opponents of a mosque being built at 31 Dunn St, opposite the Pioneer cemetery, to launch a public campaign against the development.

The Far North’s Muslim spiritual leader Imam Abdul Aziz labelled the website as “vulgar”, saying he contacted the Australian Federal Police yesterday to alert them to the website.

He said the AFP was investigating the website because of its offensive and racist content.

“Islam has been in Cairns for more than 100 years and we’ve been practising our faith at this address for six-and-a-half years,” Mr Aziz said.

“We don’t preach hatred or jihad against anybody. We’ve been a part of this community for a long time and all we’re interested in is preaching the word of God.

“I have contacted the federal police to alert them to this website and they told me they’ll look into it.

“We’ll leave this very vulgar website for the authorities to handle.”

An AFP spokeswoman yesterday said she was unable to comment on the matter.

The website urges opponents of the mosque to contact the Cairns City Council to raise concerns about planning issues such as parking, noise and negative impacts on tourism.

But it also warns: “A mosque in the area would, over time, attract many more adherents of the Muhammedan persuasion.

“It is more than likely that the area would gradually turn into a Muhammedan ghetto, a virtual no-go area.

“A ghetto where women are hijabbed or burka-clad and where aggressive, bearded men in Middle Eastern robes drive off other citizens, harass non-muslim citizens from coming through and prevent the police from doing their job.”

The website’s creator yesterday told The Cairns Post he had received more than 100 emails supporting his campaign.

He refused to be identified because he feared for his safety and would not comment further because “everything I have to say is on my website”.

The Winds of Jihab website describes Sheik Yer’Mami as an accomplished musician, songwriter and poet who lives in a tree hut “somewhere in the rainforest”, sometimes on a boat and other times on a crocodile farm in Northern Australia.

Don’t the feds have anything better to do? If the federal police want to look for “offensive and racist” content then they need only to take a look at the Koran to find it. However, I would also oppose that because it is a waste of taxpayers money. Australia needs an American style first amendment. Putting people in jail for expressing their opinions is emulating such paragons of freedom like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, or North Korea. Are these the kinds of places we want to be emulating?

UPDATE: sheik yer mami defends himself from the accusation of vulgarity and racism.


27 Responses to “Don’t the feds have anything better to do?”

  1. comment number 1 by: nighthawk

    I wouldn’t agree with this guy’s anti-Islamic belief, but he surely has every right to express it.

  2. comment number 2 by: tman

    This is a Korea blog, stick to the issues.

  3. comment number 3 by: nighthawk

    tman,
    Is it? I didn’t know that.

  4. comment number 4 by: kjeff

    Matt,

    If the federal police want to look for “offensive and racist” content then they need only to take a look at the Koran to find it.

    I hope you’ve actually read the Koran yourself, and not just some selected passages chosen by people with certain agenda. And yes, I’ve read it when I was young.(benefit of growing up in 90% muslim population, even knew Arabic once upon a time.) And, I don’t think any of of the content, in general, is more “offensive and racist” than that of the bible.(raised Catholic)

    However, I would also oppose that because it is a waste of taxpayers money. Australia needs an American style first amendment.

    I suppose you don’t know anyone who’s been beaten or insulted because his skin is a little dark, his beard a little long, or he wears ‘funny’ clothes.

    Putting people in jail for expressing their opinions is emulating such paragons of freedom like Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, or North Korea. Are these the kinds of places we want to be emulating?

    I’m all for the first amendment, and I don’t think anyone should be jailed for expressing his or her opinion(with few exceptions), but I wonder if your attitudes toward “offensive and racist content” remain the same when they are directed toward the Jews, the Blacks, or God forbids, the Japanese.

  5. comment number 5 by: Matt

    I hope you’ve actually read the Koran yourself, and not just some selected passages chosen by people with certain agenda. And yes, I’ve read it when I was young.(benefit of growing up in 90% muslim population, even knew Arabic once upon a time.) And, I don’t think any of of the content, in general, is more “offensive and racist” than that of the bible.(raised Catholic)

    You knew Arabic “once upon a time”? I am calling that one!

    I suppose you don’t know anyone who’s been beaten or insulted because his skin is a little dark, his beard a little long, or he wears ‘funny’ clothes.

    What is this supposed to mean?

    I’m all for the first amendment, and I don’t think anyone should be jailed for expressing his or her opinion(with few exceptions), but I wonder if your attitudes toward “offensive and racist content” remain the same when they are directed toward the Jews, the Blacks, or God forbids, the Japanese.

    Stop wondering. I am principled and consistent in my beliefs.

  6. comment number 6 by: tomato

    Matt,

    Just curious, is hate-speech tolerated in Australia? I’m talking about the kind of generalization of particular racial/ethnic/religious/sexual orientation/etc. groups and not defamations targeted at an individual. It seems not to be protected in western Europe. I think the American stance is better, as the chilling effects of prohibiting these kinds of speech are probably worse.

    BTW, speaking of tolerance, I admire your tolerance here, where wise guys sometimes comes along criticizing “generalization” of their own kind while indulging in the defamation of other countries (another form of generalization, and a nasty one as well).

  7. comment number 7 by: kjeff

    You knew Arabic “once upon a time”? I am calling that one!

    Three years in public school. Gotta know some…

    What is this supposed to mean?

    Do you know any muslim, preferably Arabic? I know a guy who’s ‘kidnapped’ for almost a week just because his neighbor reported him. His neigbor probably read the same koran that you did.

    Stop wondering. I am principled and consistent in my beliefs.

    I see that, and yet can’t stop “wondering” again, sorry. Both threads involve Islam, maybe free speech is not the only thing that you are “consistent.”

  8. comment number 8 by: Matt

    Matt,

    Just curious, is hate-speech tolerated in Australia? I’m talking about the kind of generalization of particular racial/ethnic/religious/sexual orientation/etc. groups and not defamations targeted at an individual.

    You get thrown into jail for that, or sometimes they will allow you to publicly repudiate your opinion in exchange for not going to jail.

    BTW, speaking of tolerance, I admire your tolerance here, where wise guys sometimes comes along criticizing “generalization” of their own kind while indulging in the defamation of other countries (another form of generalization, and a nasty one as well).

    I let them comdemn themselves.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    Do you know any muslim, preferably Arabic?

    Yes, there were lots of Arabs in my high school, most of them muslims. In fact, “white Australians” made up only 4% of my school population. What is your point?

    I know a guy who’s ‘kidnapped’ for almost a week just because his neighbor reported him. His neigbor probably read the same koran that you did.

    What do you mean ‘kidnapped’? And why are you trying to associate me with it?

    I see that, and yet can’t stop “wondering” again, sorry. Both threads involve Islam, maybe free speech is not the only thing that you are “consistent.”

    The other post involves holocaust denial. It only involves Islam to the extent that muslims would rightly be able to point to an example of European hypocrisy. Again kjeff, what point are you trying to make here? It seems to me you are trying to insinuate that I cleave to ideas of racial or religious bigotry.

  10. comment number 10 by: kjeff

    Matt,

    Yes, there were lots of Arabs in my high school, most of them muslims. In fact, “white Australians” made up only 4% of my school population.

    I see…

  11. comment number 11 by: hoju_saram

    The website urges opponents of the mosque to contact the Cairns City Council to raise concerns about planning issues such as parking, noise and negative impacts on tourism.

    What a joke. The blog author has an anti-muslim agenda, much the same as this blog has an anti-korean one. At least have the balls to say what you think.

    In fact, “white Australians” made up only 4% of my school population

    Bullshit. What shcool did you go to?

    At the end of the day, whats the problem with building a mosque? They’ve got just as much right to practice their religion as anyone else.

  12. comment number 12 by: Matt

    What a joke. The blog author has an anti-muslim agenda, much the same as this blog has an anti-korean one. At least have the balls to say what you think.

    I am talking about wasting effort on investigating things like this. Whether the mosque is desirable is besides the point.

    Bullshit. What shcool did you go to?

    How do you know it is bullshit? I went to the school with the first security guard in NSW history. That is all the hint I am going to give you. 4% was the figure given at school assembly. Which high school did you go to?

    At the end of the day, whats the problem with building a mosque? They’ve got just as much right to practice their religion as anyone else.

    I am not talking about building mosques. I am talking about throwing people into prison for opposing them.

  13. comment number 13 by: Travolta

    I think religion is wrong in general. It is obviously myth and it should be phased out like all kinds of illogical belief. Islam seems to be causing more trouble than other religions. There is fighting all over the world associated with Islam (Chechnya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Thailand, Indonesia etc.). That is not to say that all Islamic people are bad; all religions cause trouble. But it is foolish to deny that Islam seems to cause more trouble than other religions. It is reasonable that people are worried about a big increase of Muslim population in their neighbourhood. Chances are there won’t be any problems in the short term or even medium term. It is a general trend of Islamification people should be concerned about. That and the undeniable fact that Islam is often incompatible with western morals/ethics (women’s rights for example). Religious tolerance is of course better than intolerance, but no religion at all is surely the best option.

  14. comment number 14 by: hoju_saram

    Matt,

    No-ones getting thrown in prison. Don’t be oblique. You know it as well as I do.

    The opening line of the article says the police are “investigating” the complaint. The police “investigate” every complaint they are given, even ones given to them by neo-nazis. Doesn’t mean they will do anything about it. They shouldn’t and they won’t.

    And to be honest, I find it far more disturbing that a bunch of people are trying to start a “nation-wide” campaign to stop a bunch of australians building a mosque. Whatever happened to a fair-go?

    Re your question: I went to Murwillumbah High. And for the record I still call bullshit to your %4 call. Last time I checked (SBS) Tempe High had the largest number of students with a foreign background – at 85%.

  15. comment number 15 by: Matt

    Matt,

    No-ones getting thrown in prison. Don’t be oblique. You know it as well as I do.

    The opening line of the article says the police are “investigating” the complaint. The police “investigate” every complaint they are given, even ones given to them by neo-nazis. Doesn’t mean they will do anything about it. They shouldn’t and they won’t.

    They should not even investigate. As far as I can see he has not advocated violence, only activism. The police should not open an investigation. Police do not investigate every complaint. People can actually be thrown into prison. The law is on the books.

    And to be honest, I find it far more disturbing that a bunch of people are trying to start a “nation-wide” campaign to stop a bunch of australians building a mosque. Whatever happened to a fair-go?

    Well it may disturb you but it does not warrant an investigation.

    Re your question: I went to Murwillumbah High. And for the record I still call bullshit to your %4 call. Last time I checked (SBS) Tempe High had the largest number of students with a foreign background – at 85%.

    Tempe high was my high school. NESB closely corresponds with race, but not always. 4% is what I heard at assembly, and except for a handful of Greeks and Macedonians, there were not any white people, unless you classify Arabs as being in the white category. There were probably less than 20 anglo-saxon students out of a then student body of 800.

    Murwillumbah is a very white area. It must make you quite the expert on race relations. Unlike me, because I am just a guy that grew up with friends that were all from foreign backgrounds. What do I know? I bet you speak a bunch of foreign languages too.

    I have realised the errors of my ways. I should stop blogging because the guy from Murwillumbah tells me my blog has an anti-Korean agenda.

  16. comment number 16 by: Tony Lawless

    Good job that there were hardly any whites. White people are a fucking menace, always fucking invading other people’s countries. Total fucking arseholes every last one of them.

  17. comment number 17 by: GarlicBreath

    Hoju Saram sounds like a blowhard.

  18. comment number 18 by: hoju_saram

    #17 what’s a blowhard?

    #15

    I should stop blogging because the guy from Murwillumbah tells me my blog has an anti-Korean agenda.

    That would be ideal. Failing that we could revisit your logic for a laugh.

    For starters I don’t quite get why I need to have gone to a multi-cultural school to have an opinion on race-relations. But since you seem to think it important: I lived in Redfern for 4 years (Great Buckingham St, safe side of the tracks), brazil for 1, korea for 3, have an aboriginal nephew, phillipina aunt, spanish brother-in-law, korean girlfriend (soon to be wife). I expect half-korean children sometime in the future. I hope to raise them in Australia. I speak english, portuguese and korean (poorly).

    But this is all beside the point. Kind of reminds me of the way the cronulla bigots tried to justify their riot by pointing out the number of non-whites involved. “we’re not racist, we just hate lebz”

    Did you ever stop to think that people like your buddy spewing hate over on his anti-moslem site might be a part of the reason moslems feel marginalised in Oz, part of the reason some of them lash out themselves? Its all part of the same stupid cycle, perpetuated by a minority on both sides. Live and let live.

  19. comment number 19 by: randomcow

    I fail to see why Australia should have to change because of a minority that refuses to. Never heard of the word “visitor”? Muslems have to prove themselves first before they start going on about crap like “respect.” What a joke.

    RC

  20. comment number 20 by: Matt

    That would be ideal. Failing that we could revisit your logic for a laugh.

    For starters I don’t quite get why I need to have gone to a multi-cultural school to have an opinion on race-relations. But since you seem to think it important: I lived in Redfern for 4 years (Great Buckingham St, safe side of the tracks), brazil for 1, korea for 3, have an aboriginal nephew, phillipina aunt, spanish brother-in-law, korean girlfriend (soon to be wife). I expect half-korean children sometime in the future. I hope to raise them in Australia. I speak english, portuguese and korean (poorly).

    But this is all beside the point. Kind of reminds me of the way the cronulla bigots tried to justify their riot by pointing out the number of non-whites involved. “we’re not racist, we just hate lebz”

    Did you ever stop to think that people like your buddy spewing hate over on his anti-moslem site might be a part of the reason moslems feel marginalised in Oz, part of the reason some of them lash out themselves? Its all part of the same stupid cycle, perpetuated by a minority on both sides. Live and let live.

    I did not make it an issue. kjeff did, and he does not even know me.

    Throwing around words like “bullshit” and writing “at least have the balls to say what you think” when I already have expressed my opinion, is quite a hostile entrance. Trying to link me with the Cronulla riot because it “reminds” you of something is ridiculous.

    I think that sites like sheik yer mani’s blog (he is a commenter here, not my buddy, btw) are the least thing influencing the behavior of Muslims (and that is Muslims, with U not and O. The spelling “Moslem” is offensive to them, which you would know if you ever knew one. I grew up with them). I remember the time before the internet, and before the war on terror. The problems were mostly the same.

    Anyway, I am going to keep on blogging regardless. Good luck in learning Korean.

  21. comment number 21 by: kjeff

    Matt,

    I did not make it an issue. kjeff did, and he does not even know me.

    Sorry… BTW, free speech aside, do you generally ‘symphatize’ with sheik yer mani’s views in his blog?

  22. comment number 22 by: Matt

    Sorry… BTW, free speech aside, do you generally ’symphatize’ with sheik yer mani’s views in his blog?

    I have not read all his views, and I do not ‘sympathize’ with positions in general, anyway. I might agree with some, and disagree with others. I honestly do not know. Why don’t you check out this category and see what I think for yourself?

    I suppose I sympathize with him for being investigated by the feds.

  23. comment number 23 by: hoju_saram

    mat, when I said “at least have the balls to say what you think” that was directed at the author of the muslim hate site for nattering about parking space.

    My prime grip here is that you’ve linked to a disgusting hate-mongering website and then cried foul when one of the victims of the site cals the cops. (who merely say they’ll “investigate” – a generic police reply to any complaint). Frankly, I’m dumbfounded.

    Lets have a look at some of the stuff on the site. A few quotes:

    concerning the mosque:

    “the area would gradually turn into a Muhammedan ghetto, a virtual no-go area…where aggressive, bearded men in Middle Eastern robes drive off other citizens”

    “There is ample evidence that mosques are monuments of Islamic conquest…they are used as bunkers and places for weapons storage…will encourage the soldiers of Allah to wage violent jihad against infidels and Jews”…

    etc etc.

    If thats not a hate site I don’t know what is. Sounds like the good Sheik Yer’Mami should go back to his tree “somewhere in the rainforest.”

    I’m all for free speech but inciting hate is another matter. Should the cops do anything? Probably not. Should we be alarmed that they said they’l investigate? Absolutely not.

  24. comment number 24 by: GarlicBreath

    Hojusaram, if you dont like that website, go take your fight there. I don’t see this blog baing a major backer to that website. It seems that you are trying to shut this blog up. Why dont you live and let live Mr Blowhard? Matt’s posting was that the Feds should have better things to do.

    Should the cops do anything? Probably not. Should we be alarmed that they said they’l investigate? Absolutely not.

    Half right Mr Blowhard. When the feds step you your freespeech I am sure you will he holloring. We should be alarmed.

  25. comment number 25 by: Matt

    hoju_saram , if the owner of that blog wants to make assertions like the ones you list above, then he should provide supporting evidence. Since he uses the words is “ample evidence” then he must be confident that he can back up the assertion, unless what he has written is purely hyperbole. If you want to get into the specifics of what he has written, you should take that to his site, or start your own site criticising him.

    The point is, if what you list is hate speech, then so is a lot of stuff in the Koran. Fortunately, not every Muslim knows every part of the Koran, just like not every self declared Christian knows every part of the bible. Incitement is a different thing, it is already covered by other laws, and incitement itself takes place under very specific circumstances. What you posted above does not constitute genuine incitement. The point is, and I made it in my main post, is that the police should not be getting involved in this, whether it is to investigate Muslims or the owner of the blog. The article says the police are investigating, which I assume means that they have opened up a case file. I would further add that we live in a country with a very warped sense of what kind of speech is considered “permissible”. That is why we need an American style first amendment, which is what I also wrote in my post.

  26. comment number 26 by: GarlicBreath

    Kjeff
    Sorry… BTW, free speech aside, do you generally ’symphatize’ with sheik yer mani’s views in his blog?

    Kjeff do you generally ’symphatize’with the thougts on the fighting 44’s, and or yellowworld?
    (I don’t expect you to answer in an honest way)


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