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Even this baby seems upset with Roh Mu-hyun

April 8th, 2008 . by Gerry-Bevers


44 Responses to “Even this baby seems upset with Roh Mu-hyun”

  1. comment number 1 by: camphortree

    Is this how a former Korean President behaves?
    Playing with food is taboo in Japanese tradition, let alone deceiving people by using food. What a world of difference across the Sea of Japan.

  2. comment number 2 by: Ken

    I am anxious about the baby’s future.
    Those who were teased durig infant ages should grow distorted.
    Somehow I have been convinced why over 70% of Koreans are suffering from mental illness.
    Also a Korean proverb, ‘The baby who cried more can get more cakes than others’, hit upon.

  3. comment number 3 by: Errol

    Noh gave and Noh taketh away. Blessed be the name of Noh.

    It’s the Ajeossi God Complex endemic in the ROK. Even when they’re retired they still think others should bow down and worship them. Where’s the Korean Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children when you need them?

  4. comment number 4 by: empraptor

    “Playing with food is taboo in Japanese tradition”

    It’s a good thing, then, that he wasn’t doing this in Japan.

  5. comment number 5 by: Ocebey

    This is probably the cutest thing i’ve seen recently.
    And it’s probably the cutest thing Roh ever did.
    Of course i’m looking at it from a westerner viewpoint where it’s perfectly Ok to play with food.

  6. comment number 6 by: Errol

    Whilst providing no evidence Ocebey claims that

    from a westerner viewpoint it’s perfectly Ok to play with food.

    In fact, there is a plethora of evidence that Ocebey’s assertion is not the case in western society.

    Kids are used to being reprimanded for playing with their food, particularly at formal mealtimes;

    forbidden things, like playing with food,

    Where did you go to school Ocebey? Animal House?

  7. comment number 7 by: kjeff

    Idiot and more idiots(minus 4 and 5)…

  8. comment number 8 by: Errol

    That’s the type of erudite comment we’ve come to love and expect from you St kjeff.
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    What are you going to do for your encore?
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    Call in a few favours from your pimpvalet mates?
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    Throw food at the computer screen in a fit of impotent hwabyeong?
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    성인 케이제프! 슬프지 마세요

  9. comment number 9 by: GarlicBreath

    I am glad there isn’t a video. Nothing more disgusting then seeing a corean chew with his mouth open. It seems like 98% do that. I guess, they are just thinking about their own enjoyment, and can’t comprehend that its gross and rude to those around them.

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    The next most disgusting thing is being near after they eat. That is when they start sucking at their teeth.
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    I can only imagine Roh, in a blue house presidential dinner sucking at his teeth all night long. But then again, every other corean there will do the same. I think I would vomit.

  10. comment number 10 by: empraptor

    “성인 케이제프! 슬프지 마세요”

    fail.

  11. comment number 11 by: Gerry-Bevers

    I posted the pictures because I thought they were funny. You can almost see what the baby is thinking from his facial expressions:

    Pic 1: “Wow! Nice guy.”
    Pic 2: “This is gonna be good.”
    Pic 3: “Heeey, what the f….”
    Pic 4: “Asshole!”

  12. comment number 12 by: empraptor

    Yes, it’s a funny set of pictures.

    It would have been all the better without comments that read as if they were written by country bumpkins who never set foot outside their town.

  13. comment number 13 by: Ken

    Gerry,

    I got the story but rather I cannot help thinking bad effect on culture sentiments of the baby.
    Is there any criticism from such view point to the photographs?
    I think they should stop chain of abuse like the photographs.
    But I wonder if the expectaion is useless because there is also the most idiot brethren who must have been teased like that and calls even good advisers from conditioned relex as more idiots.

  14. comment number 14 by: empraptor

    To all idiots:

    Noh isn’t playing with food in these pictures. He’s taunting a baby with the food.

    And if you truly think this goes on only in Korea, you need to spend some time outside your apartment. Ever seen people do spoon plane with babies?

    If you think taunting a baby this way is why all Koreans are supposedly certifiable, you need to get YOUR head examined.

    If you really think Korea is unique in that more and more citizens are diagnosed with mental illness as list of ailments increases every day, diagnostic methods improve, and definitions of familiar conditions expand… you may need to re-examine the issue.

    Really, I get it. You don’t like Korea. The people are rude. The cities are dirty and smelly. Koreans are all lying robbing raping murdering whores. And *gasp* Korea isn’t Japan.

    Next time just say you don’t like Korea and be done with it. No need to go around holding the baby up shouting how Korea is so horrible for traumatizing it in this way. No need to go round and round looking for this or that behavior that’s oh so unacceptable.

    It’ll be simpler. We’ll waste less time. You say “I don’t like Korea.” And I say “okay, that’s great.” See? Much more efficient.

  15. comment number 15 by: Errol

    # empraptor

    Really, I get it.

    You say “I don’t like Korea.”

    Posted on 11-Apr-08 at 11:00 am

    No. You don’t get it. Does Kevin Rudd say, “I don’t like China”?
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    That Kevin Rudd stands up to bullying doesn’t mean that he doesn’t like China.
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    China spurns Rudd’s call
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    empraptor, please don’t spurn the call to make Korea a better place.
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    St kjeff, is a lost cause. He’s already on record as being an anti-altruist.
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    102. kjeff said:

    No, I’m not an altruist.
    Posted on 09-Sep-07 at 10:02 am

  16. comment number 16 by: GarlicBreath

    To all idiots:

    Noh isn’t playing with food in these pictures. He’s taunting a baby with the food.

    Isn’t it the same thing.

    It’ll be simpler. We’ll waste less time. You say “I don’t like Korea.” And I say “okay, that’s great.” See? Much more efficient.

    Do you speak for all Coreans? Sounds like you have gone hwabyung.

  17. comment number 17 by: Errol

    GarlicBreath said:

    Do you speak for all Coreans? Sounds like you have gone hwabyung.

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    But hwabyeong is not just a Korean phenomenon. How will some USAians react to criticism by their one of their greatest economists?
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    Health Care Horror Stories

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    But hwabyeong is not just a Korean phenomenon

    Good point, Corean Americans also go Hwabyung. Just look at Cho Seung hui, and Mike Cho to name a couple.

  19. comment number 19 by: empraptor

    “Isn’t it the same thing”

    Playing with one’s food would involve fiddling with it and not eating it. So no, it’s not the same thing.

    “Sounds like you have gone hwabyung.”

    Methinks some people have trouble discerning between anger and disdain.

    “empraptor, please don’t spurn the call to make Korea a better place.”

    If you love Korea so much that you want to help make it a better place by criticizing it, that’s fine. But what you did here is you took a set of pictures showing an old fart toying with a baby and took that in a convoluted path around the world and back then concluded this is what is fundamentally wrong with Korea.

    Really? This is what hold Korea back from glorious Japan-ness?

    You, the irrational, are despicable. You take this trivial event and twist and stretch it so as to fit your opinion.

    Find some better topic to discuss. These pictures are not why Korea doesn’t live up to your expectations.

  20. comment number 20 by: Brian

    Empraptor: You are a brilliant man.
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    It’s objective people like you will make sure that these racist trolls DO NOT get what they want. Thanks.

  21. comment number 21 by: GarlicBreath

    Playing with one’s food would involve fiddling with it and not eating it. So no, it’s not the same thing.

    I guess you get to decide that (such arrogance). I disagree. But if you care to prove it, feel free. I doubt you can. Roh was playing and eating.

    . Roh is a fool, but Coreans like you seem to worship him an his every move. Good for you.

    This is what hold Korea back from glorious Japan-ness

    ?

    what has japan got to do with anything. Really, you have gone hwabyung. Nobody is talking about Japan. Get a life. Why are Coreans so racist.

    If you love Korea so much that you want to help make it a better place by criticizing it, that’s fine.

    Coreans are the first to back stab Japan and America, because those nations are free. But any QUESTION of the greatness of corea is somehow a terrible thing. Let me ask you a question. Emprator, why did your parent move you away from Corea if it was so perfect? Is it possible that “Corean Heaven” has a flaw?
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    Don’t worry Emp, I dont expect u to tell the truth.

  22. comment number 22 by: kojibomb

    Garlicbreath

    Get a life.

    I believe the first poster on this thread was talking about Japan.
    Koreans are not all racist. The real question is why are you so racist? I am guessing something bad happened to you when you were young. hmmm maybe your Korean parents played with food ???
    OK so, do you think you are perfect? That should answer whatever questions you asked lol

  23. comment number 23 by: Brian

    Koji, Garlic-Face is on our side.. didn’t you know? His idiocy and racist remarks while pretending to be a Japanese nationalist is designed to make Japan look bad.
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    Quite brilliant in my opinion. lol.

  24. comment number 24 by: randomcow

    Lucky it was just Roh, and not Kim Jong Il. The baby and his extended family would be lined up for execution already.

    RC

  25. comment number 25 by: empraptor

    “Roh is a fool, but Coreans like you seem to worship him an his every move. Good for you.”

    You offend me greatly, GarlicBreath. I certainly do not support what that spineless bastard did in office.

    When have I shown support for Roh’s policies?

  26. comment number 26 by: empraptor

    GB,

    “what has japan got to do with anything. Really, you have gone hwabyung. Nobody is talking about Japan. Get a life. Why are Coreans so racist.”

    I mention Japan because camphortree mentions Japan in the very fist comment on this page. That it’s taboo to play with food there. But their remark is clearly not relevant to these pictures as they were not taken in Japan.

    Does camphortree think Korea is still a part of Japan? Or that the world would be better off if everyone were like the Japanese? I don’t know. But both of these possibilities trouble me.

    A friend of mine once argued that the world would be a better place if everyone were Muslim. He’s nicest and smartest guy you could get to know. But I could never convince him otherwise on this issue.

    There are so many different people in the world with their own way of living. Some of them are convinced that their way is the only correct way of living. Yet the rest of the world is different. And the Earth continues to revolve around the Sun. Life goes on.

    You seem to think I’m being racist toward the Japanese.

    Let me be clear in my intentions. I’m not ridiculing Japan. I’m ridiculing camphortree.

    “Emprator, why did your parent move you away from Corea if it was so perfect? Is it possible that “Corean Heaven” has a flaw?”

    Korea is not perfect. Neither is the US. I cannot fathom why my parents moved us to the US in 1992. But everyone else in my family has moved back to Korea. So has half my extended family who used to live in the US. What does that say? Nothing. Meaningless data. I stay in the US because I’m working here. If I get a better job elsewhere, I will move. I am an individual. I’m not a servant of any nation.

  27. comment number 27 by: GarlicBreath

    But everyone else in my family has moved back to Korea

    🙂 Thanks for the good news!

    I’m not a servant of any nation.

    You sound like a servant of corea.

  28. comment number 28 by: Brian

    empraptor, I respect your words, but if they are directed at Garlic-face, they are falling on mentally-challenged ears. This man is only of a one track mind. He is someone whose only purpose is to amuse, belittle and to use his pathetic life as a reference to why yours is so much better.
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    Once you learn this fact, he becomes as laughable and amusing as a tantrum throwing child. lol.

  29. comment number 29 by: Errol

    # empraptor said:

    convoluted path around the world and back then concluded this is what is fundamentally wrong with Korea.

    Posted on 12-Apr-08 at 9:18 am

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    No. I didn’t. What I did do was state that Noh suffered from Ajeossi God Complex.
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    I then said it was endemic in Korea. The actual level was not stated. It’s not 100% of ajeossi, it’s not 0%. But it is entrenched.
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    So entrenched that the 시몬 가라사대 Mentality even managed to get Noh elected.
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    As a US citizen you get a pass, unlike those naive hubae who received a text from their seonbae (who always have the best interests of their hubae in their hearts) that said, “Vote for Noh! Noh is the best! Noh won’t leave Korea in a mess!”
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    Where are those hubae now? Do they still trust their seonbae?
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    Many are now more circumspect and many of those in turn will not play the omniscient, omnipotent, all good seonbae trick on the next generation of hubae.

  30. comment number 30 by: kojibomb

    I don’t really trust anyone when it comes to his/her identity on this blog except maybe matt and gerry beavers, but I come here since … all the posts and posters are interesting.
    I would actually like to discuss these topics with our true identity. I don’t think garlic prob wants to but…
    if interested and have facebook, email [email protected]
    ps that email just created lol since for privacy issues, but i ll love to add someof you guys… esp garlicface if he is willing to show his true identity lol

    ur facebook has to be legit though for me to add. like mine is legit since i have like over 250 frieds on my account and started long time ago so…

  31. comment number 31 by: Ken

    There does not seem coming out critcism to this Roh’s misconduct in Korea as here is no reply.
    Moreover this seems done normally in Korea as here comes only self-justifying from Korea side.
    I feel gloomy about these though I have expected such reply as, “I posted to Korean media.”,”We will improve.” or so.

  32. comment number 32 by: arthurbliss

    Playing with food is taboo in Japanese tradition, let alone deceiving people by using food. What a world of difference across the Sea of Japan.

    I am anxious about the baby’s future.
    Those who were teased durig infant ages should grow distorted.
    Somehow I have been convinced why over 70% of Koreans are suffering from mental illness.

    actually, many japanese thought it was funny and adorable.
    http://bbs.enjoykorea.jp/tbbs/read.php?board_id=teconomy&nid=3468581

    c’mon, people, this is simple, innocent teasing that most people would consider it as adorable joke. Gerry Bevers who is hardly an korean-lover thought it was funny, and that that’s the way most people would feel when they see this. just go to youtube and you will find lots of videos like this one.
    or, show them to your friends or family and ask see how they react.

  33. comment number 33 by: empraptor

    Okay. GB seems to be waging a war of attrition.

    For a while there I thought he was genuinely curious why I had written my comments in the way I did. Once a troll, always a troll?

    Errol, I was exaggerating to make my point. Sorry if it seemed like I was accusing you of something you didn’t do.

    Following is what you did, as I see it. You were making more of these pictures than what they actually are. You asserted that this behavior exhibited all over the world is somehow a sign of an illness specific to and widespread in Korea. And that these pictures show extreme cruelty. That they warrants attention from some kind of social services agency.

    As a side note, I find it comical that you would compare your comment to Rudd’s.

  34. comment number 34 by: Errol

    empraptor said:

    As a side note, I find it comical that you would compare your comment to Rudd’s.

    Posted on 13-Apr-08 at 5:52 pm

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    How would you like to compare Noh Mu-hyeon to Kim Jong-il?
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    Still comical?
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    When I see Noh Mu-hyeon with his smug smirk teasing the babies of his disciples it gives me a chill.
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    a sign of an illness specific to and widespread in Korea.

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    Not specific to Korea? No it’s not. Is it widespread in Korea? That’s a good question. Why don’t you read up on Intersubjective verifiability?

  35. comment number 35 by: kjeff

    Errol…Errol…Errol…,
    I seem to remember that you are a student. I may have confused you with someone else, so my apology if that were the case. But if you are…please…drop out from whatever school you’re in, and find another. You’re wasting your time…if your logics and arguments here are any indication. Please don’t take this as a personal attack; it really is a friendly advice. Dropping names, terminologies, links do not arguments make. Intersubjective verifiability? What?
    If you ‘sort of’ hear a term somewhere, and the extent of your knowledge of it is Wiki, please don’t use it…unless you’re willing to learn about it some more; others may know about that term more than you. Case in point, your obsession with calling me St. Kjeff and the whole altruism thing. I spent a semester(a long time ago) auditing my wife’s psychology class(she was bored), half of which devoted to ‘altruism’ theories so when I said “I’m not an altruist,” you simply had no grasp of what I meant.
    Dropping terminologies may look ‘smart’, only if you really know what you’re doing, otherwise you’re just a poseur, whom to me are worse than being an idiot.

  36. comment number 36 by: Errol

    St kjeff, intersubjective verifiability in your case means that your world view is not in sync with the rest of the world.
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    Especially, your appeals to ad verecundiam.
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    I spent a semester(a long time ago) auditing my wife’s psychology class

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    And your eternal ad hominem.
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    I seem to remember that you are a student.

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    Am I? Do you have any verification?
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    Note how I (unlike you) don’t try the old ad verecundiam.
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    Intersubjective verifiability. There are none so blind as those who cannot see outside of the well.
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    That’s my gratuitous advice to yourself.

  37. comment number 37 by: Errol

    Intersubjectivity is, of course, a staple in focus group research. Even in international trade.
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    93. kjeff said:

    Take it from someone who had worked in international trade…
    Posted on 02-Sep-07 at 8:54 pm

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    Intersubjectivity Lesson No. 2. Lack of self-awareness when boasting about international acumen. Our local FDI guru, psychology guru …
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    Are you a drama expert too?

  38. comment number 38 by: Brian

    lol. Wow, putting Kjeff’s dialogue side by side with Errol’s is like a case-study example of the difference between below 60 (Errol obviously) and above 130 IQ (Kjeff). Hilarious.

  39. comment number 39 by: Errol

    Brian, very droll. Yet more logical fallacies inherent in Korean argumentation.
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    Ad hominem: Hubaae (Brian) assume the position.
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    Ad verecundiam: Seonbae (St kjeff) mount the position.
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    Brian, are you really in awe of St kjeff’s perspicacity? Because that’s what he craves.
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    The narcissist lacks empathy, is exploitative, and compulsively seeks narcissistic supply (attention, admiration, adulation, being feared, etc.) to buttress his False Self – a confabulated “person” aimed at inspiring awe and extracting compliance and subservience from others.

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    Keep on assuming the position Brian. As St kjeff unbuckles he always tells his hubae,
    “Honey, you won’t feel a thing.”

  40. comment number 40 by: Ocebey

    Errol about your 6th commentary i really wonder how you can so easily make asserstions about countries where you’ve not lived.
    You point to some pages yet your own lack of judgement is shown in the tittle of the link

    Kids are used to being reprimanded for playing with their food, particularly at formal mealtimes;

    Here i would like to point to the word Formal. Obviously when you eat outside in a picnic fashion it’s not formal.
    And kids around 6 or 7 frequently play with their food and are reprimanded for it but that Korean kid seems a little younger to me.
    From my french perspective that was a funny clip.
    Gerry Bevers seems to have thought the same and made and his comment (eleventh) sums it up nicely.
    In the end the only case to be made is that Korea seems to be more westernized than Japan in this aspect. Whether you consider that a good or bad thing is left to you.

  41. comment number 41 by: kjeff

    Errol,
    There’s nothing wrong with being a student. My concern was that you may not have been learning anything there. Hence, change your school! If you aren’t a student…well I apologized for it already, so these…

    Am I? Do you have any verification?

    …are not necessary. BTW, are you?

    Especially, your appeals to ad verecundiam.

    What did I say earlier… It’s my first time to see “ad verencundiam”, but from a short read in wiki, you seem to be completely off-base there. Come on, stop dropping these terms…think for yourself for god’s sake.

    Note how I (unlike you) don’t try the old ad verecundiam.

    I can’t remember whether you did or did not, BUT… I think you continue using these irrelevant terms in the same way ad verecundiam use improper authoritative persons. Since my last comment, you’ve used two Latin words, one Psych term, and a big word that I’m pretty sure you looked up in a thesaurus yesterday. LOL… Come one, can’t you just use your own words for a change?

    Intersubjectivity Lesson No. 2. Lack of self-awareness when boasting about international acumen. Our local FDI guru, psychology guru …Are you a drama expert too?

    BTW, I’m not an expert on anything…although I did come from a family who has been in international trade for three generations. I majored in Econ, but never finished my MBA. My wife was a Psych major and has more Masters than she needs. I don’t like drama, but she does; we both love the movies though. Enough about me, how about you? Who are you?

  42. comment number 42 by: Errol

    40. Ocebey said:

    From my french perspective that was a funny clip.

    Posted on 14-Apr-08 at 12:37 pm

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    Ocebey, that’s good to know that you understand the concept of intersubjectivity.
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    From an Australian perspective of egalitarianism Ajeossi God Complex (AGC) has many symptoms in common with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD).
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    Consider the room salon culture. Is its purpose not to make an ajeossi “feel like a king”?
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    Why does such a phenomenon as room salons not exist in Australia? Because Australia has an egalitarian rather than a hierarchical culture?
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    kjeff said:

    Errol, … you’re just a poseur …

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    Poseur? Here’s a poser for you St kjeff. Where did you learn French? At the feet of your seonbae?
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    Lest I am lumped together with garlicbreath on the issue of Jo Seung-hee. Here is my perspective. Yet more intersubjectivity between USAians and Australians.
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    (1) Jo Seung-hee: Bipolar. i.e. Nothing to do with Korea.
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    (2) Jo’s parents seek medical treatment for Jo’s disorder. i.e. They are Modern Koreans. AGC Koreans would deny that some Koreans may have mental health issues.
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    (3) Jo is sble to legally purchase several guns even though he’s psychotic. i.e. USAian gun culture is the major problem.
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    I criticised the USA. That makes me anti-USAian? But then I praised Jo’s parents. That makes me pro-Korean?
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    I am anti-gun-fetishists. I am anti people who quickly assume positions to meet the needs of their seonbae. Whether you are Korean or a USAian if you’re a naive hubae or a gun-fetishist you’re a problem.
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    “What we’re saying today is that you’re either part of the solution or you’re part of the problem.”

  43. comment number 43 by: Errol

    41. kjeff said:

    Errol,

    Who are you?

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    To paraphrase the quote about Zaphod Beeblebrox. I’m just a guy you know?
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    A guy who was inputting approx 5000 data samples for a statistical analysis* yesterday and took several breaks on Occi.
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    * Because those pesky Koreans shore ‘nuf don’ unnerstan’ qualitative research.

  44. comment number 44 by: Errol

    I’ve constructed my regression model and I come back to occi only to find that it’s been deconstructed.

    While occi’s still not working properly some of y’all may find this useful.