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Exactly who’s isolating themselves here?

August 12th, 2006 . by Darin

Blue = Countries with leaders who have formally visited Yasukuni.
Red = Countries that formally oppose Yasukuni and visits to it by Japanese and other world leaders (or anyone for that matter.)
Purple = Tibet. I don’t know what the stance of Tibet is or would be if it were free to make a stance, but this is probably just a stab at China just for the sake of making a stab at China. Also notice Taiwan is a different color if you like stabs at China.

I’m sure most everyone has seen this map before, but it came up again [pandiani (Japanese)] and I thought I’d make a note of it for anyone who hasn’t seen it.


13 Responses to “Exactly who’s isolating themselves here?”

  1. comment number 1 by: Matt

    I’m sure most everyone has seen this map before, but it came up again [pandiani (Japanese)] and I thought I’d make a note of it for anyone who hasn’t seen it.

    Its the first time I have seen the map.

  2. comment number 2 by: pacifist

    I thought it’s the map of the Great Empire of China (the red zone) !

  3. comment number 3 by: James

    Very interesting. I had no idea leaders from non-Japanese countries have formally visited Yasukuni. When did American leaders visit it?

  4. comment number 4 by: tomato

    Well, Yasukuni is a memorial for the fallen soldiers…shinto is not some demonic cult…shinto shrines are raised in Japan so that spirits of fallen people may rest in peace…also, it also serves as a memoir for the dead.

    Also, I would like to note that Shinto is a belief in many gods…Shinto believes that the spirits of the dead are gods, old trees are gods, magnificent boulders are gods, natural springs that feed the rice fields are gods…a fallen soldier is a typical shinto god. Shinto shrines are built for honoring these gods. It’s not like the west where God means the sole creator. I guess it is like your old Norse or Greek religion, where the natural forces and spirits were worshipped as gods.

    I read a BBC article stating that Yasukuni was a symbol of Japanese racism and ethnocentrism…but this is a crude comparison to the Nazi regime….the Japanese Empire’s official stance was never racism, for example, her propaganda in Mancuhira was “Gozoku Kyowa” (five races living in harmony: the five races are Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Manchu and Mongolian), Japan objected to the white supremacy policy in Australia, and so forth…we’re more like the minority race among the developed nations, you know…don’t forget that Yasukuni also enshrines members of ethnic non-Japananese soldiers (such as Koreans and Taiwanese) who fought for the then Japanese nation.

    Now, enshrining leaders of WWII in Yasukuni, this is a sure controversy, even in Japan. It is these leaders who led Japan in a doomed war against the allied nations, resulting in many lives lost. Their judgment were failed, and many Japanese think they should not rest in peace with the fallen soldiers that died because of their utter ignorance. The Chinese are really clever in being insistent on this controversial issue which divides Japanese society. But this just proves how the Chinese regime is aggressive and a bully against Japan- I can see only hostility here when the Chinese bring this issue up. Sometimes I can’t beleive those Japanese who don’t see it this way…Yasukuni should not be an issue at all when talking about diplomacy, which is exactuly what PM Koizumi has always been saying…I think he is clever in this regard. Well, Japan is a land of free speach anyways (unlike other nations in Asia), so I guess I have to live with it…

  5. comment number 5 by: ponta

    To be fair, the map probably includes “formall visits” before A-criminals were enshrined.

  6. comment number 6 by: master beta

    Whoever wrote this article obviously has no fuckin idea what he`s posting.

    First of all, Tibet is colored differently not to annoy China but because the Dalai Lama made a visit there sometime in the 1980s. Taiwan is also colored differently because numerous public officials there have made visits there as well.

    Second, the map doesn`t signify leaders who have visited Yasukuni, but only important nationals. Most of the foreign dignitaries who have visited Yasukuni are from the military. Others are more ambigious, like South Vietnamese officials and disgraced president Alberto Fujimori, who no longer represented their country at the time of their visit.

    The way this person has presented this map is extremely misleading as it also doesn`t signify which visits were made prior to and after the time when the war criminals were enshrined. Such ignorant bullshit annoys the fuck out of me, and I hope this Darin faggot never makes another post again. His lousy collections of photographs and crappy Japanese translations have failed to amuse me. If anybody is willing to give me his address, I would be more than pleased to ship him a rope for him to hang himself with.

  7. comment number 7 by: Darin

    My email is darintenb[@]gmail.com

    If you’d like my mailing address, I’ll email it to you, but I have to tell you I have no need for any rope, I’ve got plenty left over from the one I used to hang my clothes before I got a nice pole. But if you have a fan, I’d love that. I’d rather not run my a/c as much as I do, but there isn’t really any place close by to pick up a fan at. Who knows, you might get lucky and I’ll die from ‘fan-death’.

    As for your criticisms, I simply presented the information that accompanied it in it’s original location that can be found by clicking on the link in the description. You could very well be right about the things you said, so it would be in your best interest to post a link to your sources as I have.

    edit:

    First of all, Tibet is colored differently not to annoy China but because the Dalai Lama made a visit there sometime in the 1980s. Taiwan is also colored differently because numerous public officials there have made visits there as well.

    The act of considering these people as important in itself is enough to tick off China, let alone coloring the areas differently than China on a map no matter what the map is. That would be saying these places are, GASP, not China, or at least are self-governed. In China’s view, everything is China, and everything in China is the same, so China’s stance would trump the stance of anyone else in Taiwan or Tibet. Hence this is taking a stab at China, no matter how correct it is — factuality doesn’t seem to govern much in China these days.

    Second, the map doesn`t signify leaders who have visited Yasukuni, but only important nationals. Most of the foreign dignitaries who have visited Yasukuni are from the military. Others are more ambigious, like South Vietnamese officials and disgraced president Alberto Fujimori, who no longer represented their country at the time of their visit.

    That’s the part specifically that is certainly very important information, and I would appreciate it if you can present more about that, preferably with a link for further reading.

    But the rest of your comment isn’t meaningful at all.

    I did not make the map, so if you have problems with the map itself, you are throwing them in the wrong direction.

    As for the translations… If you have a problem with the translation, you more then welcome to make corrections if you think you have some. Notice I link to the original Japanese page or include the Japanese in scans for that very reason. If you however have a problem with the act of translation in and of itself, we have a much bigger issue that has no need to be addressed.

  8. comment number 8 by: Matt

    Master beta, be nice. I find your comment thought provoking, except the talk of ‘faggots’ and other ad hominems. I am trying to keep the tone here high, so please co-operate with me. There is no reason why you cannot disagree with Darin (or indeed myself) and point out mistakes without resorting to that kind of language.

  9. comment number 9 by: ponta

    The way this person has presented this map is extremely misleading as it also doesn`t signify which visits were made prior to and after the time when the war criminals were enshrined

    I think formal visits were made after Japanese and Korean B criminals were enshrined.Even Chinese government does not object to it.

  10. comment number 10 by: sqz

    靖国神社に、いわゆる戦犯が合祀されたのは1978年です。
    It is 1978 that so-called war crime was enshrined together by Yasukuni shrine.
    中国が抗議を始めたのは1983年です。
    It is 1983 that China began protest it.
    韓国が抗議を始めたのは2001年です。
    It is 2001 that Korea began protest it.
    何故こんな時間差があるの?
    Why is this time lag?

    ちなみに青で塗られた国々は、いまだに抗議をしていません。
    By the way, blue countries does not yet protest it.

  11. comment number 11 by: tomato

    sqz>

    China, it probably has to do with the Tianmen Square massacre- tightening up its nation and focusing their people on issues other than their corrupt government…

    Korea, guess it has to do with its new hyped-up ethnocentric political ideas since Kim Dae Jung…hate Japan and Korea will be reunited…gives me the chills.

    This Yasukuni shrine issue is so trivial compared to other down-to-earth issues…the Japanese should just ignore the Chinese and Korean ramblings and get on with more realistic issues at hand.

  12. comment number 12 by: tk

    To understand this map, those who can understand Japanese -incruding Mr.Matt- may read this post.

    http://d.hatena.ne.jp/boutarou/20050626/1119769776

    Purple : Tibet reader,Darairama(ダライラマ)- I don’t know his name in Rnglsh-,have visited Yasukuni and Tibet is now invated by China. That is why Tibet is Purple .

  13. comment number 13 by: Darin

    tk, thanks for the link. It’s got a lot more information about the map then where I got it from.