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Has anyone been to this museum?

April 26th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

In a Korean propaganda video entitled, “Dokdo islet belongs to Korea, Part 1,” a beautiful map of Ulleungdo was shown in the Sanin History Museum (山陰歷史館) in Yonago City. I have never seen the map before, but it looks very, very interesting. Unfortunately, the video of the map conveniently stopped just before it showed Ulleungdo’s neighboring island of Jukdo. Has anyone heard of this map or seen it?

I would love to see the map in person, but a picture would be nice, too. I know it is asking a lot, but I wonder if one of our Japanese commenters could call the museum and ask if they have a scanned photo of the map that we could link to from Occidentalism? If they do not have a scanned photo they will share with us, then maybe the museum could give us some information about the map, for example, the date of map, the names for Jukdo and Gwanemdo, etc.?

 

 

In the second video in the series, you can see a picture of the Ulleungdo map in the background to the right. It looks as if Jukdo might appear in the lower right corner of the map.

 

By the way, the part of the video that was getting ready to show that “Dokdo” could be seen from Ulleungdo was edited out for some reason. I can imagine the narrator saying the following:

“As you can see, Dokdo is clearly visi….Uh,…. Well, let’s skip this part.”

Here are links to the four videos in the Korean propaganda series:

  1. Dokdo islet belongs to Korea, Part 1
  2. Dokdo islet belongs to Korea, Part 2
  3. Dokdo islet belongs to Korea, Part 3
  4. Dokdo islet belongs to Korea, Part 4

11 Responses to “Has anyone been to this museum?”

  1. comment number 1 by: infimum

    The San-in Chuo Shimpo is to rescue!
    http://www.sanin-chuo.co.jp/news/modules/news/article.php?storyid=345569179

    Sorry, I don’t have time to translate the article right now. I am sure more knowledgeable people will chime in soon, Gerry.

  2. comment number 2 by: pacifist

    This is the site of the museum.
    It holds 70,000 items but not all the iems can be exhibited every day.
    http://www.yonago-city.jp/bunka/historical/tenji.htm
    .
    It says that they are showing some items related to Yonago and it included things from the Oya’s family and the permission to voyage (to Ulleungdo?), but no maps of Ulleungdo.

  3. comment number 3 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Thanks, Infimum, but that article does not show the Ulleungdo map. It shows Liancourt Rocks (Takeshima/Dokdo), which is not really helpful since Koreans did not know about the rocks.

    I am surprised this map of Ulleungdo has not made bigger news in Japan. It seems very important. Why can’t a picture of this map be found on Japanese Internet sites?

    Thanks, Pacifist, but I do not understand why the map is not on permanent display?

  4. comment number 4 by: General Tiger

    since Koreans did not know about the rocks.

    Gerry, I can listen to reason about the maps not showing Dokdo, but saying that KOreans did not know about the rocks is like saying Koreans are blind to a groups of islands that can be seen from Ulleungdo.

  5. comment number 5 by: toadface

    General Tiger. Don’t discuss common sense with Gerry Bevers. Gerry prefers to use ambiguous documents or maps and then put his spin on them. Japanese Takeshima advocates are throwing common sense out the window entirely on the Dokdo problem.

    Korean records show that their nationals were living on Ulleugdo at least a thousand years before the first Japanese accidently stumbled on Ulleungdo around the year 1600. Yet, they maintain Koreans were not cognizant of an island within visual proximity of Ulleungdo on a good day.

    Remember Dokdo is visible from sea level from around 55kms away on a good day. This is also in the direction of prevailing winds and currents. This chart and map shows where you can see Dokdo from sea level. The residents of Ulleungdo were both fishermen and farmers. Of course they were adept at sailing, they managed two days sailing trip to get there in the first place.
    http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/Ulleungdo-Dokdo-chart.jpg
    http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/Ulleungdo-dokdo-distance3.jpg

    Not to spew anti-Japanese rhetoric but if you look at the activities of Japanese in the Ulleungdo vicinity from a historic standpoint you can see none of their involvment could be considered acts of sovereignty or even legal under international law.
    First Japanese pirates plundered, harassed and robbed Korean residents of Ulleungdo to the point they had to evacuate the island.
    After 1696 when Ulleungdo was reaffirmed as Korean territory, records show the Japanese ignored these declarations and continued to trespass on Ulleungdo. It was only through these illicit acts that Japanse dropped by Dokdo for short visits.
    Even after 1837 when the Japanese Shogunate again declared Ulleungdo off-limts and executed a Japanese man for trespassing the Japanese illegally logged and fished around Ulleungdo. This continued until the Japanese annexed Dokdo in 1905.

    The Koreans didn’t map Dokdo as accurately because it was not a necessity but I believe they considered it their territory. Japanese fishermen mapped Dokdo not for territorial perceptions of their territory but for directional reference en route to plunder Ulleungdo and in the event of stormy weather for mooring or fresh water.

    The Japanese knew it was illegal to visit Ulleungdo. Thus, it is not possible they considered a territory 2 and a half days travel and within visual distance of a territory they were forbidden to travel, to as theirs. It just doesn’t make sense. Here is Ulleungdo as seen from Dokdo. This is what Japanese fishermen would have seen as they looked East toward Ulleungdo. It explains why Japanse always considered Dokdo as attached to Ulleungdo.
    http://www.dokdo-takeshima.com/dokdo-ulleung.jpg

  6. comment number 6 by: infimum

    Gerry,

    Here is the gist of the article. First of all, all they have is a photo copy of the original, which was exhibited in 1987 and then returned to the Murakawas, whose ancestors hunted sea lions there. And the original went missing. The distance between 鬱陵島 and Takeshima (aka 松島) is shown to be 55 kilos on the map, but in reality it’s 92 kilos. So the map can be thought to have been written around 1656 when the Murakawas had little knowledge of distance.

    Gerry, I haven’t seen the YouTube video in its entirety, but the map on the newspaper and the map shown on the video look really different. Do they really refer to the same map?

  7. comment number 7 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Infimum,

    No, the map of Ulleungdo is different from the map of Liancourt Rocks (Takeshima). You can see the map of Ulleungdo up on the wall in the last photo.

    Also, I think Japan’s museums and libraries need to be more security conscious in regard to their historical documents, maps, and photos. I remember watching a TV interview with a Korean man who was bragging about how he stole old photos from a Japanese library.

  8. comment number 8 by: Kaneganese

    Gerry,

    I called them, but there was no one in charge at the moment, so I asked her their e-mail address. I will send them a picuture and ask if we can have the electric data later. Unfortunately, we are on a long vacation period (almost 10days from tomorrow) in Japan, so curator may be not available for a while though.

  9. comment number 9 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Thanks, Kaneganese. It would be great if we could get a picture of that map, or at least more information on it. 🙂

  10. comment number 10 by: Kaneganese

    Gerry,

    The curator of the Museum replied me yesterday.

    ・The name of the map is ”竹島圖”.
    ・The year of the map is the late Edo period(江戸後期), though the exact year is unknown.
    ・The names of the islands are not described. But there are description of the distance between islands, direction and the description of the island’s nature.
    ・They cannot provide a electric scanning data because of the regulation or second use. But she said she could send a copy of the map. I will apply tomorrow.

    BTW she said she is going to check your posts. I have a very good feeling about this. If you want to make a contact with her, I will send you her e-mail address, so please let me know.
    And as for new entry and revision you have posted, I will translate them tomorrow. I just came back home and a little bit tired now.

  11. comment number 11 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Thanks for the information, Kaneganese.

    Is there someway I could get a copy of that map, too? Can a foreigner apply, and how much would it cost? I would love to have a copy, especially if it is a color copy. Maybe you could send the details to my email address? By the way, what does the second-hand use regulation mean?

    Yes, please send her address to my email. I do not know if I would have any reason to contact her, but who knows? Does the lady speak English?

    Sweet dreams, Kaneganese.