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Heart’s in the right place, but the lyrics….

August 12th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

With all the work that went into making the following song, why didn’t they bother to ask a native speaker to check the lyrics? Also, the singer should have worked more on his pronunciation. Are we to laugh or to cry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7XTAoo8s-Q


61 Responses to “Heart’s in the right place, but the lyrics….”

  1. comment number 1 by: alec931

    oops……I meant to say writings, not “wrtings.” Please don’t scold me, Gerry-Bevers. 🙁

  2. comment number 2 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Alec Wrote:

    I know enough to say that pointless rants and bitching is done mostly by people with a chip on their shoulders.

    Yes, I have a feeling you would know.

  3. comment number 3 by: ponta

    You can’t be blind to the fact that big chunk of the blog tends to berate Korea and its people. It’s one common theme, the glue that holds this blog together.

    It is rather a description of Korean ethnic nationalism.
    You can’t be blind to the fact that big chunk of the Korean brethren tends to berate Japan and its people. It’s one common theme, the glue that holds the Korea brethren together.
    Of course, there are exception to the rule, though.

    I was moreso criticizing his motive, not his claim

    When people can not refute the clam but cannot accept the claim, they start attacking the motivation by imposing their skewed interpretation of the motivation.

  4. comment number 4 by: alec931

    ponta,
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    “When people can not refute the clam but cannot accept the claim, they start attacking the motivation by imposing their skewed interpretation of the motivation.”

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    Wow………such wise words………….
    I asked this before, but since Gerry-Bevers couldn’t explain it, perhaps YOU can: one of his claims is that he should have worked on his pronunciation. Please tell me what qualifies as “correct” English pronunciation or what the man should have practiced, and why it would have made a difference.

  5. comment number 5 by: ponta

    Please tell me what qualifies as “correct” English pronunciation or what the man should have practiced, and why it would have made a difference.

    It is obvious the pronunciation by the natives qualifies as “correct” English pronunciation and as Gerry said, he singer should have worked more on his pronunciation if he want to get such an important idea across in English and it would have made a difference just as “I love you” rather than “I rub you”, “You love rice” rather than “you love lice” makes a difference.

    Of course, if he just wants to impress his Korean brethren with his super English, that is another story, though.

    BTW I though his voice was nice.

  6. comment number 6 by: alec931

    ponta,
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    “It is obvious the pronunciation by the natives qualifies as “correct” English pronunciation and as Gerry said”

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    Natives from where? America? England? Australia? Hong Kong? Cameroon? Belize? Jamaica? These countries and many others have English as their official/main language. Are you telling me that people from these countries sound alike when speaking English?
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    Not so obvious now, is it? 😉

  7. comment number 7 by: ponta

    Are you telling me that people from these countries sound alike when speaking English?

    I am not telling that.
    I am answering your question which prounounciation counts as ” correct”. I am saying the pronounciation by native speaker, whichever country, is “correct”. (On a side note, a native speaker of Chinese do not necessarily speaks the official language of English as a native speaker.)

    And you are asking another question when you ask

    Are you telling me that people from these countries sound alike when speaking English?

    It is obvious that Australian speak differently from Americans. Still there are difference between native speaker’s pronounciation and non-native speaker’s pronounciation.

    And Gerry’s intention seems clear.
    If the speaker wants to convey his intention in English to those who understand English—he admits he had an very good intention—and since the message is very important, it was much better to have English checked by the native speaker.
    That is all there is to it.

    But look at the comments.

    your incessant pissing and moaning about all things Korean

    If you are in Korea I’d advise you to get out.

    Gerry’s advise to the Korean singer to have English checked led people to say “get out of Korea!!”
    Frankly I think this is a crazy response.Is it not in Korea?

  8. comment number 8 by: egg

    alec931

    (you don’t have to answer), what do you think a person, who has never been to this site and doesn’t know Gerry’s wrtings, would think if he came across this post?

    I am not sure what you want to ask and whether my response is appropriate, but I guess the majority will hope the victims will be released safely.
    Putting that aside maybe some might think
    if he doesn`t like Korea:
    Some Koreans are stupid. They don`t care whether their messages will reach and move the Talebans.
    if he likes generalizing:
    All Koreans are stupid.
    if he doesn`t dislike Korea:
    The guy (This times he seems to be a Korean)in the video seems to be stupid.
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    Brian,Richard
    No intention to criticize you but do you always care about the motives of a claim before you start arguments? If not where do you draw a line?

  9. comment number 9 by: egg

    My words were too strong.
    I would like to replace

    if he doesn`t like Korea:
    Some Koreans are stupid. They don`t care whether their messages will reach and move the Talebans.
    if he likes generalizing:
    All Koreans are stupid.
    if he doesn`t dislike Korea:
    The guy (This times he seems to be a Korean)in the video seems to be stupid.

    to

    If he has interest against S.Korea:
    There seems to be a tender hearted Korean but he seems he doesn`t care much whether his message will reach and move the Talebans.
    . If he likes generalizing:
    . Koreans seem to be tender hearted but they seem they don`t care much whether their message will reach and move the Talebans.
    If he has no interest against S.Korea:
    The guy (This time he happens to be a Korean) in the video seems to be tender hearted but he seems he doesn`t care much whether his message will reach and move the Talebans.

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    alec931

    But, just so you know, I was moreso criticizing his motive, not his claim.

    Is it constructive?
    It will be almost impposible to prove his motives.
    On the other hand this way of arguments (criticizing the motive) can be applied to every theme.
    For example, about the guy who made the comfort women resolution Mike Honda, there is a report that he is sponsored by Chinese anti-Japanese activitists. I am not sure whether the report is true and the ones who are supporting Mike Honda are really anti-Japanese activitists or not. But even if the report is true, I think it doesn`t have much importance. Trying to use these kinds of informations to degrade and reject the claim is dangerous, I believe.
    I am against the resolution because I believe there are many misunderstandings. But putting that aside and suppose it had no misunderstandings. And suppose the report about the backgrounds of Mike Honda is true. Is there a meaning in revealing Mike Honda`s motives? There might be, but does that have importance? Whatever the motives are, the existance of a probrem doesn`t change.
    Another example is about the insensitive Korean cartoons. Why do you think it can be justified? You can also criticise his motives. Why don`t you care about it? Where are you going to draw a line? Are you caring about the importance of the message in the article? If so shouldn`t you criticize that point? I mean criticism like “Is this guy in the video worth posting or criticizing” or such.
    Arguments can improve our society. If we start caring about the motives, there will be less arguments and I think it is a loss.

  10. comment number 10 by: empraptor

    It is rather a description of Korean ethnic nationalism.
    You can’t be blind to the fact that big chunk of the Korean brethren tends to berate Japan and its people. It’s one common theme, the glue that holds the Korea brethren together.
    Of course, there are exception to the rule, though.

    I’m sorry if I ever made it seem as if I thought Koreans love Japan. But I don’t think I did. I know that there are a bunch of people who hate Japan and make disparaging remarks about it.

    Do you seek to have Japan loved by everyone?

    On the other hand, I think it was rather inaccurate to leave the description of this site as being one that deals with Asian issues. It’s correct to say this, but not accurate.

    It’s rather more accurate to describe this site thus…

    A blog that focuses mainly on Korean-Japan relations and Korea in general which borrows heavily from viewpoints of Japanese nationalists.

  11. comment number 11 by: GarlicBreath

    Korean paid 20 million for their missionaries. That is about a million a hostage plus a tip of an extra million. I wonder how many more people will be killed because of the blood money paid to the talaban. I don’t expect the coreans to give a damn, but it just makes me sick what those idiots did.
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    The Coreans deny it. They may as well admit it becasue the truth will come out. Pathetic.