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I think I like Huckabee.

September 6th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

“Huckabee and Paul tussle on Iraq”


9 Responses to “I think I like Huckabee.”

  1. comment number 1 by: The Western Confucian

    One thing I can say for Gov. Huckabee is that at least his argument went beyond the asinine “I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before” of Giuliani and the even more asinine “Has he forgotten 9/11?” of Romney.

    Gov. Huckabee seems like a decent enough fellow, and the “we-broke-it-we-bought-it” argument is the only legitimate one for ever having stayed in Iraq in the first place, but it’s high time we drop our famous American optimism and admit the reality that we cannot fix it.

    The “responsibility to the honor of this country and the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and our military” can be fulfilled with a war crimes tribunal against those who deceived the American people into an illegal war against a country that had no means to attack us.

  2. comment number 2 by: egg

    America started the war and Japan supported it. I am not sure what he wants to say by honour but I feel our countries have a responsibility to bring peace and order to Iraq before leaving.
    I personally think Japanese government should try to help America more. The effort is not enough and I feel it a pity that she is irresponsible.

  3. comment number 3 by: egg

    I have said too much again.
    I am not sure if this will be the enough but irresponsible is too strong a word to descrive the situation.
    But I just hope, as an ally Japan can help America which is in trouble now.

  4. comment number 4 by: Matt

    Well that is all fine but I don’t think that Mr. Huckabee should be blaming the American people for the war in Iraq. The only mistake the American people made was trusting their president, MSM, and most of their elected officials.

    Another problem – what if US actions in Iraq continue to make things worse? Will the US be obligated to keep “fixing” Iraq? What about the generation of young American men that will return to the US traumatized by the war? Or the Iraqi’s that will grow up with hatred of America in their hearts?

    Ron Paul is right in the sense that the same people that got the US into the Iraq war are exactly the same people that are saying they are going to fix it. They have no credibility, and no ability to do so, in my opinion.

    Here is the actual exchange from Youtube.

  5. comment number 5 by: T_K

    Say I borrow my neighbour’s computer without his permission. I download it full of illegal software and all but destroy it with viruses and spyware. After I realise that I can’t fix it, I return it and say, “it’s time for you to take control of your computer’s destiny”.

    If the current Iraq policy isn’t working, it still doesn’t follow that USA should abandon the country. It’s just time to try something different. It’s just annoying how there’s this false dichotomy of either staying the course or getting out entirely.

  6. comment number 6 by: kjeff

    I think it’s time for the U.S. to learn that democracy does not ‘just’ solve everything. More and more, I’m convinced that a Sunni secular dictator is the only way to get Iraq back on track. No, they don’t need another murderous bastard, but someone with a little bit of Saddam in him. An elected Shiite will just not work, because like any other elected officials, he will be more worry about his “constituents” and getting re-elected than doing the right things.
    Oh yeah, getting out of Iraq will be the best thing for the U.S., but it’ll also be the most selfish thing to do.
    This may be just naive of me, but I feel that if I were the U.S. government, I would outsource Iraq’s security to ASEAN countries’ forces, primarily Indonesia and Malaysia. They are capable, way cheaper, have working knowledge of the culture and the language,and they’re predominantly muslims, so that they’ll less likely be seen as invaders. The U.S. government needs to go to the U.N., basically concede that mistakes were made, and ask for help. And, at the same time bilaterally works with the ASEAN countries, basically gives them lots and lots of incentives, to get them to ‘volunteer’ to be the bulk of the U.N. forces.

  7. comment number 7 by: empraptor

    I thought like Huckabee too. We fucked up Iraq real good. That we were deceived into the war shouldn’t be sufficient reason for abandoning the efforts there.

    But things have only gotten worse since then. I’m all for candidates who want to withdraw. Let UN or some other entity more capable take care of our mess. It is the more responsible thing to do at this point.

  8. comment number 8 by: The Western Confucian

    Gov. Huckabee needs to remember these words from Barry Goldwater’s speechwriter Karl Hess:

    “Vietnam should remind all conservatives that whenever you put faith in big goverment, for any reason, sooner or later you wind up an apologist for mass murder.”

  9. comment number 9 by: egg

    Well, if we are not capable enough to fix Iraq ourselves, asking others to take care of the matter instead of us, is another option. As long as we don`t abandon our responsibilty (that is, providing resorces such as money for them), I won`t disagree.
    Who fixes Iraq directly is not important, it is the fixing itself that matters. If we don`t run away from our duty, there is little probrem. If we keep providing the resorces, who directly does it does not matter much.
    But there will be arguments about human resorces, because withdrawal will mean that we are not going to provide them, though…