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In Defense of the “White Boy” – Asiapages

April 13th, 2006 . by Matt

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The fighting 44s‘ – A purveyor of racist garbage, exposed by Jodi on Asiapages

Here is a must read Asiapages post showing a negative racial undercurrent in at least one Asian American issues forum.

Lately I’ve been a little disappointed in my Asian (American?) brothers and sisters here in cyber space. For I’m seeing a lot of racist garbage coming from them, especially on one Asian American-related bulletin board called “The Fighting 44s” where I am a lurker, not an active participant (for obvious reasons as I’ll soon demonstrate.)

There is one particular thread on this site that I found to be very disturbing and outright racist toward non-Asian participants or those suspected of being “white boys.”

Read it! After you have read it, let the fighting 44s know what you think of their racism!


10 Responses to “In Defense of the “White Boy” – Asiapages”

  1. comment number 1 by: usinkorea

    After reading your post about the online encyclopedia and then hearing who edited the article, I thought about how some of the most misguided people on the US-SK relationship are Korean-Americans.

    I don’t mean the majority are all like that.

    I simply mean over the years surfing the net, and less frequently when I was in Korea teaching or in the US studying, I’d run across K-As who would fit in exactly with the Hanchongryon crowd without being Hanchongryon type activists.

    It was as if in their desire to embrace the motherland, they took the most hot button issues and thoughts, and became the champions of them — well beyond reason.

  2. comment number 2 by: dogbert

    It was as if in their desire to embrace the motherland, they took the most hot button issues and thoughts, and became the champions of them — well beyond reason.

    I saw that happen time and time again in both college and grad school twenty-some-odd years ago. I dubbed the phenomenon “Born Again Koreans”.

    I don’t think it occurs as a reaction to white racism; I think it occurs due to peer pressure from fellow KorAm students who have been radicalized.

  3. comment number 3 by: ponta

    Some of them are so aggressive that they come to the forum in Japan to convince people of how bad “the white boys” are.(I am not sure if they are members of that forum)
    http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/m_613545/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#613545
    http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/m_612096/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#612096
    http://www.crisscross.com/jp/forum/m_613493/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#613493
    I know there are a lot of other good ethnic Koreans unlike him, though.

  4. comment number 4 by: usinkorea

    I’ve lived now for a few years close to a couple of large Korean communities in the US, and there seems to be a big difference in the generations.

    It is kind of like a general saying about Western society I remember best from Winston Churchill, but will have to summarize it because I can’t quote it — the idea was that if you aren’t radical in your youth and conservative in your middle age, something is wrong with you.

    That is why you hear people say American college students are some of the most anti-American in the world.

    The part that adds a big amount of problems for the Korean-American young adults is —– the racial component.

    There is a frequent commentor on the Korea expat blogs who every few months when the topic of racism in the US comes up will pull out links to every latest incident where a cab driver from Pakistan or an Indian owned gas station or Korean liquor store —- has been robbed or some fight involving an Asia —- with the broadest possible definition of what is an Asian — and a non-Asian takes place and is reported in the news somewhere in the US —-

    —–and gives these as proof of how Asians in American society are just as hunted down as blacks were duing the worst days of segrgation and before.

    One of the most vivid memories I have of this is hearing a very intelligent mixed race K-A after a small panel discussion about NK and US policy say —- she was on scholarship to a good Korean studies program in the US —– “Who are WE to say Juche doesn’t work!!!”

    In a perfect world, I’d be allowed to try to slap some sense into her.

    I was too dumbfounded to do anything but have my mouth drop to the floor.

    But, as I said in the beginning, it seems to be a COMPLETELY different deal with especially the older Koreans who were the generation to first come to the US.

    I’ve seen some who have only been in the US for 5 or 10 years who will be near the same ballpark as the Hanchongryon KAs —–

    —-but in the older generations that have been in the US for 20 or 30 years or so, they seem to me to be more openly pro-US than many American adults who are just indifferent.

    Then after 3 or 4 generations of being in the US, and not being a youth searching for their long lost ethnic roots ——- they seem to be little different from the white boys of Italian, Irish, Scotish, Germany or so on descent.

  5. comment number 5 by: Matt

    Be sure to see the comments on Asiapages. Jodi really has them on the run!

  6. comment number 6 by: tomato

    Strange how these racists are using the English language- does it not bother them?

    What I am inclined to think from the Korean postings on this post (like “Dae Han Min Gook Mansei!”- quite similar to Heil something, don’ you think?) and other incidents in East Asia (like the Chinese anti-Japanese masses- they called Japan “little Japan” and ravaged everything Japanese shouting “patriotism is not a crime!”), is that some countries in East Asia preach ethno-centrism ultra-nationalism and feels nothing wrong about it. Never do they have the idea that racism, ethno-centrism and blind nationalism is wrong in any country- whether in Korea or China. What is the problem with these guys?

  7. comment number 7 by: Errol

    I don’t know about the “White Boy” but have a look at a guide for “American Boys Abroad.”

    http://www.worldcitizensguide.org/index2.html

    Note that the authors are women.

    Koreans only pay “lip service” to the Americans. “Hey boy, I’ll give you a lift in my limo if you give me a free English lesson.”

  8. comment number 8 by: Sonagi

    One member of the Fighting 44s has got quite an imagination, er, memory:

    http://www.thefighting44s.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=6791

    an excerpt from a post by Mastah Kim:

    “The first time I remember being discriminated against was in kindergarten. I lived in a basically 99% white town and one fine day I was greeted by some white-trash, redneck asshole with “You gook motherfucker. Go back to China.” and a cowboy boot to my stomach. I at the time wasn’t exactly aware of who I was or what I was..and was eventually told by my family that he did that because I’m Asian and he’s a racist prick. I wasn’t mad…but sad and wondered why people were like that. He saw me a couple days later and called me a “yellow bastard”. No kick to the stomach this time, but I was pained regardless.

    There was an adopted Chinese girl that went to my school, and I guess the prick decided to give her shit as well.

    “You Chinese whore.”

    I teach kindergarteners at a racially diverse elementary school with a large international population. There are racial tensions and conflicts, but kindergarteners do not possess the sophisticated insults used in Mastah Kim’s story. I’ve heard older elementary students speaking that way, but not kindies. Some kids do use at school vulgarities heard at home like “fuck” and “shit” but “yellow bastard”? No way. And the detail about the cowboy boots? I can’t even remember what kind of shoes I wore in kindergarten.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    Sonagi, I agree. The cowboy boots is a giveaway detail that it is totally made up. Its a kind of projection of what that person imagines a racist to be (redneck, cowboy boots). Most of the stuff written by the 44s is either made up, or totally in the mind of the person experiencing the ‘racism’, usually the latter. It is funny how they focus on things like how some white person looked at them, or assume that a white man kissing an asian woman did so because an asian male was in the room, etc.


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