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Interesting Korean Rap on Japanese & Dokdo

May 12th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

Korean Rap Song about Japanese & Dokdo.


48 Responses to “Interesting Korean Rap on Japanese & Dokdo”

  1. comment number 1 by: helical

    Funny, in a disheartening and eye-rolling kind of way.
    I think this solves the question of what would happen if hate-filled grade school kids could rap.
    …or couldn’t rap. Whichever works.

  2. comment number 2 by: Ken

    Please enjoy Korean government offering video.
    The hero is not Mazinger Z, the immitation.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnURG8BzrXI

  3. comment number 3 by: toadface

    Interesting?? How so Gerry?

    A pretty shitty post and other than your obvious agenda to ratchet up Korean-Japanese hatred I don’t see the point at all Mr Bevers.

    The video sucks, and you suck for posting it Gerry. Shame on you.

  4. comment number 4 by: HanComplex

    The video sucks, and you suck for posting it Gerry. Shame on you.

    Funny, all you say is that the video sucks instead of criticizing your fellow Koreans who do nothing but foster hatred for Japan. Shame on you.

  5. comment number 5 by: sitwell_87

    What the heck?!?!?!?!, thats just crazy

  6. comment number 6 by: kjeff

    Gerry,
    It sounds like a non-recording ‘artist’. On user content YouTube, no less… No explanation, except for the title. Gotta wonder what your intention… I say ‘inflame’…you’d say “I thought it’s interesting to show how some(corrected: one) feel…” No, strike that. I’d better wait for YOUR explanation.

  7. comment number 7 by: GarlicBreath

    Hanscomplex, toadface may be a toady for koreans, but he is not korean. He doesn’t even speak Korean even after a decade of living as and Engrish teacher in Korea (a Engrish teacher is the higest status he will ever achieve).

    He may grovel at the feet of Koreans but he will never be accepted by them.

  8. comment number 8 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Toadface & Kjeff,

    Whether you want to admit it or not, the South Korean government, her education system, and her media have created and are creating a society of Japanese haters in an attempt to draw attention away from social problems and human rights abuses in both North Korea and South Korea. The problem with using such hatemongering tactics, however, is that hate rarely goes unanswered.

    Before South Korea decided to embrace Kim Jong-il and his murderous regime, South Koreans had built up a great deal of goodwill with the Japanese, but in her attempt to build national solidarity with North Korea, the South Korean government has thrown much of that goodwill out the window by trying to turn Japan into a common enemy. To win South Korean citizen support for North Korea, the South Korean government has been trying to convince its citizens that Japan is a much bigger threat than North Korea. That shows just how ridiculously naive, infantile, and shortsighted South Korean policymakers are.

    If Koreans are hateful to the Japanese, then they should not be surprised when the Japanese return the favor. In her attempt to create an imaginary enemy as a way to build bridges with North Korea, the South Korean government may succeed in creating a real enemy.

    By the way, South Korea has often used the same infantile, hatemongering tactics in her dealings with the United States, and many Americans will probably not easily forget it.

    Also, Toadface, by your attempts to propagate the Korean lies and half-truths about “Dokdo,” you are contributing to Korea’s hatemongering campaign, and you know it. So stop pretending that you are not an anti-Japanese hatemonger because the language in your posts show very clearly that you are.

  9. comment number 9 by: GarlicBreath

    kjeff said:
    Gerry,
    It sounds like a non-recording ‘artist’. On user content YouTube, no less… No explanation, except for the title. Gotta wonder what your intention

    Cha tae hyun is a singer and actor.

    Notice how our friend Koreanjeff accused the messinger of ill intent, but was silent on the hateful song of the artist.

    Imagine if you will if the song was in english or japanese and was anti-korean. Koreanjeff and his kin would go nuts.

  10. comment number 10 by: GarlicBreath

    gerrybevers, thank you for exposing Korean racism and hatred. The silence of Koreans and korean-wanna-bes like Steve Barber (I think he is the only one) is deafening. People need to see all sides of Korea in order to have a balanced and realistic view.

    When Koreans promote hatred of Japanese or Americans they lack the ability to see the harm. My only guess as to why, is because Koreans and Kyopos have little or no empathy.

  11. comment number 11 by: chase

    First of all, this is a really violent terrible song. The lyrics are really bad. I feel bad for people especially Japanese that this song is made. However, I want to make one thing straight. MC Taehyun who sang this song is not Cha-Tae-Hyun (I wonder why the video maker put Cha Tae Hyun’s face on the video. Cha was trying to be famous in China and other Asian countries through the movie Sassy girl, and he probably wouldn’t wanted to be in offensive issue) MC Taehyun is one of underground rappers in Korea. I’m not too much into music so I haven’t really heard of him. I just searched him on naver.com 지식in and I found out that he is one of those indie bands(not sure about the spelling) and he hasn’t published any official album yet. He got some fame through http://millim.com/ (Korean digital music site for non-famous underground artists)

  12. comment number 12 by: chase

    I regret that some songs produced in Korea have anti-foreign country lyrics. I really think any anti-group songs should be not produced in any countries.

    Ken, the video producer of your linked youtube video is not Korean government. That video is “e-편한세상”(One of Korean apartment construction company)’s commercial video that was shown in some Korean movie theaters before the movie started. However, this clearly shows that some Korean people are ignorant about what this video really means and how offensive and violent that is. Korean views vary. I think it’s about (20%”this video is terrible, what a bad commercial. It quickly should be banned and be punished”, 20%”I don’t think this video is appropriate”, 20%”I don’t care”, 30%”What a company with great nationalism” 10%”I agree with this commercial so much, all Japanese should die I hate them”)
    The latter 60%, especially the latter 40% is a big trouble. 40% is a pretty high numerical value. I’m not really sure how it will be solved.
    Below are some links any Korean readable or Japanese readable (there are some good Korean-Japanese translators) person can read if they are interested.
    -> “e-편한세상”‘s official commercial blog page about this video. (summary:we are proud to present this video)
    http://blog.naver.com/all4one_?Redirect=Log&logNo=60021484856
    -> Korean view 1 (Summary:This video is pathetic)
    http://blog.naver.com/drhou?Redirect=Log&logNo=100021288717

    -> Korean view 2 (summary:This video is so moving, I wanna see it again)
    http://kin.naver.com/db/detail.php?d1id=4&dir_id=408&eid=xvlPHFLTqsYuaRnjiPqzCanz9zgrW2GK&qb=ZS3G7cfRvLy78yC1trW1

  13. comment number 13 by: kojibomb

    ppl need to see the other side of Japan too
    there are alot of Japanese racists toward Koreans on many websites (like YOUTUBE), but i think ppl just condone them.

    is Japan trying to make Koreans the “bad guys” these days?

  14. comment number 14 by: chase

    As people have realized by reading my comments, I’m Korean and my English writing skill is not perfect yet. If you have any questions or anything to argue to me, please send email to me.

    I regret that some Koreans have left indiscreet comments on this website. There are a lot of internet users in Korea. (probably 98% of Korean teenager/twenties/thirties people have left comments on a website) and many of them are not really aware of any etiquettes. Students learn about it in their textbook at school but there are some problems in Korean educational structure now(I wouldn’t explain it now because it would be too long. it’s a very interesting issue to research I think, if you guys are interested), so not many students actually study the textbook. Anyway, those people who left rude messages probably have done similar things on Korean websites. Regardless of whether this site is offensive or not, they shouldn’t have used any abusive language.

    This site can seem very offensive to Korean people because though many of them are logical, the materials are somewhat different from what people have learned and some comments left under each article are not correct.
    I did my schooling with 7th version of Korean textbooks. (8th versions are coming right now) Dokdo was just one page of a textbook and I didn’t really know about Japan calling it Takeshima and I wondered why there was a song called “Dokdo is our territory.” until I was eleven years old when one of my tutor told me about the issue. He said that “Japanese are trying to take Dokdo because they want to gain more sea territory and fish around it.” On the textbook the sea is shown as the East Sea but noone really cared about it. I didn’t think that sea name was even that important when I heard about Sea of Japan issue from internet when I was twelve. There is one page in the textbook about Hangul and how King Sejong created it, and it said “Hangul is probably the most scientific letter of the world because it is the most recent letter ever developed.” I guess that’s pretty close to saying “Hangul is the best alphabet”.
    I learned that during World War ii, many Korean women(including teenager, married woman) were forced into being Comfort women and Japanese company took all Korean private lands by claiming “anyone who didn’t resister land by this date don’t have that property anymore” without announcing that news properly. I also have read a lot of biographies of Korean independence movement leaders or people who lived at that time periods. I remember one of them, of “Dong-Joo Yoon”(he didn’t do much to do with independence movement, he was just a normal poet) and it said that he died because Japanese soldier used him as medical experiment. (which Nazi also did to some of their prisoners). My grandma actually lived in Japan during the colonial period and quite liked that place except when they came back to Korea her brother was forced into military training center in Japan and never could reach him again. Some teachers were pro japanese and some were anti in the way they talked.
    I don’t know whether what I learned from school is true or not, but it was pretty hard to believe other people in the world claim that many of them might be not.
    I clearly understand that this site is not Anti Koreans sites, but I think there are many people who have bad feelings toward Korea, probably not with evil intentions, but with correct information but also perhaps wrong information. At least I felt that way by reading some comments. I hope they can be different.

  15. comment number 15 by: chase

    BTW my email address is carolinehjkim at gmail.com and could anyone tell me how to quote someone’s comment?

  16. comment number 16 by: chase

    Sorry for leaving too many comments but I just wanted to add something. (is there a edit tool?)
    Many Korean people may seem like anti Japanese and some anti US. These people are not too many. about 75% of the people who may seem like are kind of fake people deceived the misleading leaders. They don’t truly hate anything. These ignorant people follow what something radical fun looking say. In fact, there are more anti-North Korea than anti-japan anti-other countries all combined. Many of these antis are pro-North Korea/communism. Many spies from North Korea actually live in South Korea and actually have been caught by promoting anti-Japan, US movements.
    Medias, both Japan and Korea tend to show extremes to get more attention. They are based on facts but can be meant different.

  17. comment number 17 by: GarlicBreath

    Hi Chase:

    The latter 60%, especially the latter 40% is a big trouble. 40% is a pretty high numerical value. I’m not really sure how it will be solved

    The first way to solve a problem is to admit there is one. Most Koreans, like Koreanjeff and Kojibomb quicky blame others (such as the messinger or the evil japanese)

    I clearly understand that this site is not Anti Koreans sites, but I think there are many people who have bad feelings toward Korea, probably not with evil intentions, but with correct information but also perhaps wrong information. At least I felt that way by reading some comments.

    Yes this website is not anti-Korean. Good observation. Many Koreans these days feel that unless you worship Koreans then you have bitter hatred. Speaking for myself, I only wish to offer a balanced view of Korea, not propaganda. Sometimes when you speak the truth, it really hurts. But it is still the truth.

    (if you want to quote just right click over the words and then click on the b-quote button above the text box)

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    Hi Chase.

    Thank you for pointing out that Cha Tae Hyun is not ths singer. I thought Cha Tae Hyun was a horrible actor, but I didn’t think he was so dumb that he would sing about his hatred of Japan so openly. Most “Koreanwave” stars are smart enough to keep their hatred for other people and countries to themselves in order to make money.

    as for much of the rest of your comments I tend to agree, but I think your “teachers” have mixed truth and lies.

    I learned that during World War ii, many Korean women(including teenager, married woman) were forced into being Comfort women

    This is a prime example. There has been 60 years to do a full accounting of the “comfort women” and what happened. Yet we have seen noting but anecdotal stories by women who much to gain by their victomhood. The fact is that most, if not all the Korean “comfort women” were paid (and paid very well) prostitues. Koreans try and paint the picture in every way possible to bolster their claim that they were not prostitues, such as claiming they were married or only 10 years old.

    The Korean govement could find out the truth, but they choose not to because it will show them in an ugly light. Instead its much easier to lie to children and encourage a national hatred and hysteria against Japanese.

  19. comment number 19 by: pacifist

    Hi Chase,
    .

    I’m Korean and my English writing skill is not perfect yet.

    Your English looks pretty well, at least better than mine.
    .
    Thank you very much for letting us know about the education in Korea.
    I am interested in it very much.
    .
    I am an ordinary Japanese who are interested in Korean people. I visited Seoul three times in these 3 years and I enjoyed Korean culture including food. I like them very much. (To tell the truth I went to a Korean town in Shin-Okubo, Tokyo just yesterday to enjoy Korean food.:))
    .
    Many Japanese people also became to favor Korean culture when the Korean tv dramas were booming a few years ago but it was suddenly stopped by a cold water – anti-Japan demonstartions.
    Japanese people couldn’t understand why Korean people are burning Japanese flags and bit them.
    .
    It attributed to the difference in education in both countries – especially in education system in Korea.
    I hope you read the opinions written in Occidentalism and understand what is the problem.
    .
    Anyway, please keep letting us know about your country. Thanks.

  20. comment number 20 by: Kaneganese

    Hi Chase,

    At least it is good to know REAL Korean like you feel bad for Japanese. Yes, the song is extremely offensice to Japanese, and this rapper should have thought how Japanese would feel before he made this. I noticed that there are a lot of “agitaters” including foreigners like toadcface in Korea who want to create the unnecessary tention between two contries. And you may not noticed, but there are lot of socialist and communist in Japan too who constantly try to make Japan look horrible. Actually, lots of problems like confort women, textbook issue and even Yasukuni shrine dispute all originate from Japanese media (Asahi Shinbun) and apologists and spread to China and Korea. Japanese media except some conservative ones desparately try to create “日韓友好” or “韓流 boom”,but Japanese started to notice that a lot of Korean actually hate Japan and those fake-friendship made by media is bogus and those groups are actually menace to the society. All we need is not a media or government leading friendship but real grass-roots ties.

    I don’t think all Korean are ani-Japanese, but honestly, I agree that 40% is pretty high and it might be a big problem to Japan considering there are almost 600,000 permanently or constantly living legally and 40,000 staying illeagally in my country. I seriously don’t know how to solve the problem in Korea either but it is totally Korean’s choice whether to overcome those hatred and become real developped country or to stay who you are now. Japan is not perfect and I admit there exist racism unfortunately, but at least you cannot sing those offensive song in public here.

    Personally, I think agreeing to bring Takeshima/Dokdo issue to ICJ is a huge step for Korean to overcome those problems so that “75% of the people who may seem like are kind of fake people deceived the misleading leaders” notice that not all of what Korean government taught was true and understand that there are lot of way to avoid militaly conflict.

    Anyway, it was really good to hear the sensible comment from Korean young generation, thank you, Chase. I hope you actually READ Gerry’s Takeshima/Dokdo post and give us opinion.

  21. comment number 21 by: kjeff

    Gerry,

    Whether you want to admit it or not, the South Korean government, her education system, and her media have created and are creating a society of Japanese haters in an attempt to draw attention away from social problems and human rights abuses in both North Korea and South Korea.

    I understand your concern, but I really think that you’re oversimplifying the issue here. To my knowledge the frequent bickerings usually revolve around three issues, comfort women, Dokdo, and Sea of Japan.(anything else?) Now, if I tell you that Dokdo is our land…if I sing it even, or if I get on that bullhorn in front of Japanese embassy, and shout at the top of my lung, “Dokdo is our land,” will that make me a Japanese hater. If I watch a Korean politician, or read an editorial, demanding further apology for former comfort women, will that turn me into a Japanese hater? The fact of the matter is we disagree on several things. Sure, there are extremists, but by and large, they are a minute minorities. Yes, there are politicians and those in the media who sensationalize the issues, either for vote or ratings(now, before you say that they wouldn’t watch, if they don’t agree. I consider myself a liberal, and I watch FNC), but, again, they are the minorities. Those issues reappear every now and then, but how much are they really relevant to the daily lives of ordinary Koreans? I can honestly say that of all my conversations with fellow Koreans, the topic of Japan, as related to those issues, came up less that 5%; on the other hand, I can say that more than half involve how much they hate President Roh. Come on… we can disagree on things without being called a hater, no?

  22. comment number 22 by: sitwell_87

    Kjeff,
    You just entirely discredited yourself in my eyes through your jab at FNC; for starters, if you honestly believe that FNC is the only media in the states outlet sensationalizing issues, then you need to get you brain looked at. And don’t even start about how they do it to get ratings through conservative viewership….the rest of the television media is for the most part liberal, and FNC adds some (yet not enough) balance to such an effective propaganda machine…

  23. comment number 23 by: kjeff

    Gerry,
    Sorry, to be continued…
    Your statement above…are you suggesting that the rapper is created by “the South Korean government, her education system, and her media,” and that his reactions, through his lyrics, are typical of ordinary Koreans?
    GarlicBreath,

    The first way to solve a problem is to admit there is one. Most Koreans, like Koreanjeff and Kojibomb quicky blame others (such as the messinger or the evil japanese)

    I don’t mind you making accusations about me, but I think the least you can do is a bit of an effort to back it up when requested, or are you simply smearing my name(come to think of it, it’s not even mine)?

    Imagine if you will if the song was in english or japanese and was anti-korean. Koreanjeff and his kin would go nuts.

    Were the situation reversed, I would understand it as the work/view of AN individual, the same as this one.
    Kaneganese

    I don’t think all Korean are ani-Japanese, but honestly, I agree that 40% is pretty high and it might be a big problem to Japan considering there are almost 600,000 permanently or constantly living legally and 40,000 staying illeagally in my country. I seriously don’t know how to solve the problem in Korea either but it is totally Korean’s choice whether to overcome those hatred and become real developped country or to stay who you are now. Japan is not perfect and I admit there exist racism unfortunately, but at least you cannot sing those offensive song in public here.

    As explained previously, the rapper is not a recording artist with a major(or minor even) studio’s attachment. Anyone with a mic, a computer, and an internet connection can release a song out to the world. Yes, 40% would be high if it were true. I’m not sure where this stats come about, but as with any study, you really have to question the methodologies and the interpretations. For example, what does it mean when you say anti-Japanese? What does one have to say or do to qualify? The rapper obviously does; who else? What’s the criteria?

  24. comment number 24 by: GarlicBreath

    GarlicB said:
    Koreanjeff and Kojibomb quicky blame others (such as the messinger or the evil japanese)

    KoreanJeff said:
    but I think the least you can do is a bit of an effort to back it up when requested, or are you simply smearing my name

    Yes Koreanjeff you blame the messinger, questioning his motives, as if Mr Bevers did something wrong and not the creator of the video. Here is proof

    Koreanjeff
    Gotta wonder what your intention… I say ‘inflame’

  25. comment number 25 by: kjeff

    sitwell_87

    You just entirely discredited yourself in my eyes through your jab at FNC; for starters, if you honestly believe that FNC is the only media in the states outlet sensationalizing issues, then you need to get you brain looked at. And don’t even start about how they do it to get ratings through conservative viewership….the rest of the television media is for the most part liberal, and FNC adds some (yet not enough) balance to such an effective propaganda machine…

    ONLY being the operative word here, I’ve never said it. And if you notice, I intentionally described myself as a liberal; I could have said a democrat(more accurate as a whole), but for the purpose of contrast, I wanted to clearly show that my views toward the conservative agenda are biased. Apparently, I end up knowing more about you than you did me. And if you call anything else but the conservative movements as liberal, then yeah, the rest of us are liberals. Fortunately, the world is larger than that dichotomy.

  26. comment number 26 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,

    Yes Koreanjeff you blame the messinger, questioning his motives, as if Mr Bevers did something wrong and not the creator of the video.

    As Matt memorably stated months ago, it was just a question. LOL… As no explanation was provided by Gerry, question of his motives in posting such inflammatory material is legitimate, no? What about your “evil Japanese”?

  27. comment number 27 by: GarlicBreath

    I think that the figure of 40% of Koreans dislike Japan is understated. I think its closer to 80%. I estimate that if you take all Koreans (north south and Kyopo) the figurs would be:

    85% hate Japan
    90% hate the USA
    30% hate china
    97% hate black and dark brown people from any nation.
    25% are clannish and don’t trust anybody outside their clan.

  28. comment number 28 by: GarlicBreath

    No Koreanjeff, you are shifting the topic from the hateful video to the motives of Mr Bevers. You are blaming the messinger. Accusing him of “inflaming”. You asked me to back up my comments regarding you and I did.

  29. comment number 29 by: sitwell_87

    I think that the figure of 40% of Koreans dislike Japan is understated. I think its closer to 80%. I estimate that if you take all Koreans (north south and Kyopo) the figurs would be:

    85% hate Japan
    90% hate the USA
    30% hate china
    97% hate black and dark brown people from any nation.
    25% are clannish and don’t trust anybody outside their clan.

    Well I don’t know the exact numbers, but I’m sure it’s closer to your figures, I used to have a friend here in China, she was Korean and always talked about how civilized Koreans were for not senselessly hating Japanese like the Chinese do. Oddly enough whenever I mentioned how nice my Japanese classmates were to everyone in our class she would always answer back with “You gotta be careful, they never tell you what they are thinking” (I think she somehow took It as an insult to the xenophobic Koreans in one of my classes I was dealing with at the time, not to say all Koreans are, but these ones were and it drove me nuts). Whenever we got into a discussion about language (mostly how silly words Chinese borrow from English, such as 麦克风, which is pronounced “maikefeng” and means microphone, or 幽默 “youmo” which means and supposedly sounds like humour) she would suddenly start talking about what an inferior language Japanese was, and how wonderful Korean is (for it’s ability to transliterate words better).

    My point is this, my friend was not someone who stayed in Korea her whole life, she was someone who traveled allot, spoke fluent English, had a hard time growing up cause her best friend was a white American girl, and someone who has never been fully accepted by other Koreans when abroad simply because she isn’t Korean enough. Yet she still thinks these things, and sadly doesn’t realize it, I bet many Koreans are like her, they don’t think they hate any particular group of people or what not, but because they have been feed lies their whole life in hopes of making them hate, they subconsciously do.

  30. comment number 30 by: GarlicBreath

    Sitwell_87 great comments. Spot on!. She sure sounds 100% Korean to me. She may not be well accepted by other Koreans due to their clannish nature, but her hatred (jelousy) of JAP/USA and arrogant superiority of Chinese is similar to all the Koreans I have met and know. Even the Kyopos on the blog tend to act exactly as I have said. They are “american”, well they are paper citizens anyway, yet they have nothing but hatred for the USA. Its very strange to me.

    I am doing all that I can to help Koreans change this type of behavior so that Koreas can be a better people. Sadly, I have to battle Koreans every step of the way.

  31. comment number 31 by: VG86

    Koreans have anti-japanese education? Reminds me of Jessie Jackson in the US who always used the race card. In this case, the Japanophiles use the “anti-japan” card whenever mentioning Korea. Give it a break.

    I find it funny that certain posters here completely flip out when some Korean person exhibits the tiniest amount of disagreement with the Japanese. Wow some obscure rapper hates Japan I guess its the end of the world. The shear hypocrisy of this situation is beyond baffling. If Koreans disagree with Japan on Dokdo then that means Koreans are anti Japanese. If a Japanese person on the other hand disagrees with Korea its considered right. Yes thats excellent logic… NOT.

    If you havent noticed by now most protests by Koreans against Japan usually began with Japan doing something that provoked the Koreans in the first place. You punch someone expect them retaliate. Thats basic logic that anyone can understand.

    In this case I dont know why this site is making such a big deal with minor Korean issues. Ok so theres an anti Japan rap song(as if Japan doesnt have anti Korean songs) who cares.

    I did a search for Japanese videos on Korea

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=search_videos&search_query=%E9%9F%93%E5%9B%BD&search_sort=video_date_uploaded&search_category=0

    Look at all those anti Korea racist videos. Look at 2ch Japans largest internet board(check the hangul and Mona board)

    http://4-ch.net/2chportal/

    Oh my…

    Do Koreans make a big deal out of it? Theres like a zillion anti Korea posts and videos circulating the net. Do Koreans really give a crap? So wheres all the anti Japanese videos by the Koreans? ALl the anti Japanese comments on internet sites? Apparently to certain people here, Japan can commit no crime. Korea on the other hand deserves a severe bashing if they do something so minor.

    *rolls eyes*

  32. comment number 32 by: GarlicBreath

    If you havent noticed by now most protests by Koreans against Japan usually began with Japan doing something that provoked the Koreans in the first place. You punch someone expect them retaliate. Thats basic logic that anyone can understand.

    Actually I havn’t noticed Japan provolking Korea. Please tell me how (after ww2) Japan has punched Korea.

  33. comment number 33 by: GarlicBreath

    Koreans have anti-japanese education?

    yes, and the problem with Koreas anti-japanese education is you get retards who think like this

  34. comment number 34 by: HanComplex

    My point is this, my friend was not someone who stayed in Korea her whole life, she was someone who traveled allot, spoke fluent English, had a hard time growing up cause her best friend was a white American girl, and someone who has never been fully accepted by other Koreans when abroad simply because she isn’t Korean enough. Yet she still thinks these things, and sadly doesn’t realize it, I bet many Koreans are like her, they don’t think they hate any particular group of people or what not, but because they have been feed lies their whole life in hopes of making them hate, they subconsciously do.

    Good post, sitwell. I think you’ve perfectly described the mindset of the typical Korean who’s not aware that he or she is saturated with Korean Pride syndrome. This is the false and delusional belief that Korean culture is superior to all other cultures. As you’ve mentioned, the problem is that given the intrinsic nature of the cultural brainwashing it has seeped deep into their subconsciousness and has become a fiber of their existence. Hence, the marked inability to distinguish truth from falsehood as is the case with the usual erroneous, bloated sense of self-worth that the majority of Koreans ascribe to. I feel sorry for your friend that she had to endure being ostracized by her fellow Koreans. However, the question should be why she and others like her has to be ostracized in the first place by her compatriots simply because of her different background and upbringing. That just shows you how primitive and backwards Koreans in general think.

    No Koreanjeff, you are shifting the topic from the hateful video to the motives of Mr Bevers. You are blaming the messinger. Accusing him of “inflaming”. You asked me to back up my comments regarding you and I did.

    This actually would explain why people on this site like kjeff and others have such twisted and incoherent logic when it concerns their Korean culture and their illogical defense of it. Instead of admitting fault like any decent person would do, the course of action is to shift the blame someplace else. The cultural brainwashing of lies and fabrications is so deep and thorough that, even if they haven’t lived in Korea–like kjeff claims–in the back of their minds it’s not possible to find fault with Korea and/or it’s a given that Korean culture is superior. The difficulty here as sitwell mentions above is that it’s on a subconscious level. Thus, it’s hard to reach anyone at that level of programming–it’s buried so deep. Consequently, they go living their lives in blissful ignorance.
    GarlicBreath, I think that’s good that you persist despite it being an uphill battle dealing with people plugged into the Matrix. Actually, I do have hope for them, especially with some of the younger generations of kyopos, but not with older people like kjeff and others whose brainwashing is probably irreversible (hopefully not). If you read the Metropolitician’s blog and the comments section there, I see quite a few younger kyopos who’re starting to question themselves, constructively criticize their culture and society at the risk of alienating themselves from their peers and families (no surprise there). I think that’s a good sign. That’s why I think weblogs like this and the Metropolitician are so important. The more exposure and readership these websites get, the more Koreans will view themselves with a critical eye, spurring them to introspection and self-correction. Naturally, the best people to help Koreans are the Koreans themselves. I still have plenty of hope for them.

  35. comment number 35 by: Brian

    Once again, LOL. I doubt a Korean even made this video. Some insecure Japanese nationalist or Japanophile (EI. Matt) puts a single Korean rap song onto a ‘hate video’, like Japanese all over youtube have been doing, and Matt makes it seem like it’s endorsed by the Korean government. No one believes you Matt except your hateful, insecure underlings on this site, who have no life other than to obssess about Korea.

  36. comment number 36 by: jion999

    GarlicBreath

    the problem with Koreas anti-japanese education is you(VG86) get retards who think like this

    LOL

  37. comment number 37 by: kjeff

    HanComplex,

    This actually would explain why people on this site like kjeff and others have such twisted and incoherent logic when it concerns their Korean culture and their illogical defense of it.

    I’d like you to explain where and when my logic was twisted and incoherent. It’s really easy to brand someone else’s comments, less so to actually back it up. Feel free…

    Instead of admitting fault like any decent person would do, the course of action is to shift the blame someplace else.

    So, by your logic, if I were a decent person, I would have admitted my fault… because…what? I helped him wrote the song? He’s backed by a major recording studio, and thus I share some responsibilities as part of a consumer group that foster the said studio? Why am I responsible?

    The cultural brainwashing of lies and fabrications is so deep and thorough that, even if they haven’t lived in Korea–like kjeff claims–in the back of their minds it’s not possible to find fault with Korea and/or it’s a given that Korean culture is superior. The difficulty here as sitwell mentions above is that it’s on a subconscious level. Thus, it’s hard to reach anyone at that level of programming–it’s buried so deep. Consequently, they go living their lives in blissful ignorance.

    Frankly, I’ve never seen or heard any Korean-Americans(born here) interested in the ‘Japan’ issues, so I’m not sure whom you are talking about. As I said many times before, there’s a bigger world, and more transparent one, than the world wide web.

    …even if they haven’t lived in Korea–like kjeff claims…

    Hmmm…I was born in a 3rd generation Chinese immigrant family in Indonesia. My mother is a Korean(and, I didn’t see her side of the family until highschool), and aside from her, I could count with two hands Koreans that I knew growing up, and most were my father’s business acquintances. So, not exactly the product of the some overseas cultural immersion that you talked about. I can say that I can speak three languages more fluently than that of my Korean, because I didn’t pick it up until college so you know… Am I really what you say I am?

    However, the question should be why she and others like her has to be ostracized in the first place by her compatriots simply because of her different background and upbringing. That just shows you how primitive and backwards Koreans in general think.

    Comformity…Hmmm…(I’m stereotyping, my bad)…but, from a Japanese…
    .
    There’s a certain irony(with the exception of Matt and Gerry, I’m assuming that most here are of Japanese descents) in critizing someone’s culture/people/society thread after thread, comment after comment. Are you not exhibiting your own ‘cultural superiority’ in a way? Hmmm… You want to show us, backward as we are, the truth… Save us!

  38. comment number 38 by: Kaneganese

    kjeff,

    I am really disappointed with your attitude. I understand you are trying to defend Korean which is sort of nice, but honestly, you are not succeeding it. Actually, you are making Korean look bad, at least to me.

    As explained previously, the rapper is not a recording artist with a major(or minor even) studio’s attachment.

    Are you trying to say in Korea it is OK to sing a racist song publicly if it was not recorded with a major studio? Don’t you think mature adults like you should be advising those ignorant kids not to even make that kind of song?

    Anyone with a mic, a computer, and an internet connection can release a song out to the world.

    That is exactly why you should be warning Korean kids not to put those disgusting song on the internet because everyone including children, foreigners and especialy Japanese who understand “馬鹿 馬鹿 チョッパリ” have access to them easily?

    There are stupid people in every country who make racist comment, but they are always criticised by majority of society at the same time. I think, the problem here is not this single incident which stupid rapper who made and sang the racist song, but the atmosphere of the Korean society who doesn’t firmly oppose against those racism.

    What’s the criteria?

    I only cited and responded to Chase’s thoughtful and nice comment. So ask Chase, if you really want to know that. Otherwise. I do not want to get involved in your attempt to derail the debate and make a pointless dispute forever. Believe me, I also thought you are a teenage kid when I first read your comments and quite surprised to know you are actually an adult with a wife just like Garlic Breath did, because your arguments sound just like the way my teenage daughter does. Finding the tiny faults or discrepancy of other’s comments, trip it up, make fuss, agitate the opponents. blame others, shift the topic and derail the argument.

  39. comment number 39 by: ponta

    What is interesting and puzzling is why so many oversea Koreans go miles to defend everything Korean.
    Japanese Americans, for instance like Honda and Onish have no hesitation to criticize Japan, to the extent of bashing Japan without basis.
    The easy but wrong answer is that Japan is such an evil country while Korea is such a great country.
    Some of the oversea Koreans are more ethnocentric than native Koreans.

    I am very interested in why.

  40. comment number 40 by: kjeff

    Kaneganese,

    I am really disappointed with your attitude. I understand you are trying to defend Korean which is sort of nice, but honestly, you are not succeeding it. Actually, you are making Korean look bad, at least to me.

    Myself, I’d like to avoid the kind of duality that you’re suggesting. Not criticizing does not mean defending.

    Are you trying to say in Korea it is OK to sing a racist song publicly if it was not recorded with a major studio? Don’t you think mature adults like you should be advising those ignorant kids not to even make that kind of song?

    You’re missing the point. I made a conscious decision not to comment on the merit of the video itself because I believe that Gerry was not acting in good faith in posting it without explanation, and I questioned him(he hasn’t provided a direct answer) of it. I guess my point is what’s the point… It IS the work of ONE individual.

    Believe me, I also thought you are a teenage kid when I first read your comments and quite surprised to know you are actually an adult with a wife just like Garlic Breath did, because your arguments sound just like the way my teenage daughter does. Finding the tiny faults or discrepancy of other’s comments, trip it up, make fuss, agitate the opponents. blame others, shift the topic and derail the argument.

    I only wish I were that young. I hope that you actually have a daughter, and that it wasn’t just some sexist jab. BTW, all seems to be pretty good, and effective, tactics. And, I try to remind myself everyday as I am getting older…that…older doesn’t mean righter. You should think about that before you try to belittle one’s argument by commenting on his/her age.
    Almost forgot, how would an adult argue?

  41. comment number 41 by: GarlicBreath

    Koreanjeff:
    Gerry was not acting in good faith

    There you go again pointing your finger at Mr Bevers yet silent on the content or the motives that encourage such hate based videos.

    in posting it without explanation,

    Why should he explane anything. I can make up my own mind what to think about it. Let the readers decide. You seem to be grasping at straws in order to find anything to criticize Mr Bevers on.

    and I questioned him(he hasn’t provided a direct answer) of it

    .

    This blog and Mr Bevers are not here in order to satisfy you. I have asked you many questions that you refuse to answer KoreanJeff.

    I guess my point is what’s the point… It IS the work of ONE individual.

    Yep, again trying to minimise, marginalize, and shift blame from what is a common korean thought.

  42. comment number 42 by: HanComplex

    I do not want to get involved in your attempt to derail the debate and make a pointless dispute forever. Believe me, I also thought you are a teenage kid when I first read your comments and quite surprised to know you are actually an adult with a wife just like Garlic Breath did, because your arguments sound just like the way my teenage daughter does. Finding the tiny faults or discrepancy of other’s comments, trip it up, make fuss, agitate the opponents. blame others, shift the topic and derail the argument.

    Kaneganese,
    I think the reason for that is simply that kjeff is not capable of properly arguing. He just does not have the ability to do so. Period. Anyone who reads his responses will notice that instead of answering point for point he simply dances around the issue or stretches it forever. It’s also possible that’s his psychological ploy to frustrate others so they give up. Either way he’s making a fool out of himself.
    GarlicBreath,
    Good luck in getting him to properly respond to your questions, let alone criticize his own Korean brethren for the latter’s hatred for the Japanese. Instead, count on more deflections, blame-shifting, and marginalizing and justification of Korean hatred. That’s kjeff.

  43. comment number 43 by: kjeff

    HanComplex,

    He just does not have the ability to do so. Period.

    That’s funny…because most I got from you, GarlicBreath, Kaneganase are not counter-arguments, they are just name-callings and brandings…the irony.

  44. comment number 44 by: Brian

    Han Complex I could say the same thing to you. Instead of answering Kjeff’s arguments you only go about belittling his character. This is while Garlic-face goes about spewing up irrelevant generalizations about “common Korean thought” based on the opinions of a single individual. How does one “properly argue” with people who inherit such an absurd but self-righteous form of racism?

  45. comment number 45 by: GarlicBreath

    BrianGim wrote:
    How does one “properly argue” with people who inherit such an absurd but self-righteous form of racism?

    Good point BrianGim. I am done trying to properly argue with Koreanjeff. I guess I just don’t have the stalker mentalty of “strking a tree until it falls”. I guess that proves my un-koreaness. Oh and BrianGim, did I make a generalization?

  46. comment number 46 by: Kaneganese

    It IS the work of ONE individual.

    And it is only the tip of the iceburg at the same time. You know that, don’t you?

    Tokyo is Our Land

    Fuck Zapan!

    how would an adult argue?

    Ask your own mother, I’m not your mum.

  47. comment number 47 by: General Tiger

    *Yawn*
    People making a fuss over a no-namer.
    *Smirk*
    The perfect strawman fallacy: Using an extreme example to show the majority.
    @ the Poster: You can certainly do better than this.

  48. comment number 48 by: Ken

    Chase; Thanks for your info. and sorry for delayed reply.
    Is the company completely private though such one is gov’t affiliate in Japan?
    Anyway, Japanese people merely mind, “Koreans are doing that again.” or so.
    The funny is they are using Japan originated character to claim against Japan.
    Well, you are the 2nd Korean who has modesty.
    The Japanese are generally modest but learnig that modesty to Koreans results in a loss.
    At negotiation, both parties should concede to come to term.
    But in case with Koreans, once agreed point becomes the next start line to concede.
    So the Japanese are deciding start line at extreme and without concession.
    Decades before, the Japanese had sympathy to Koreans on the military administration.
    But after the liberalization, Koreans’ anti-Japan behavior got worse and well-known over Japan at W-cup.
    I do not intend to force my view.
    I would like you to be practical, for example, studying history based on existing evidence.
    If you want to ovecome Japan, you had better know Japan and Chinese characters.
    Otherwaise, such mistake as exhibiting prostitute advertisement as the evidence of coercing is made or precious money is wasted as follows.
    http://j2k.naver.com/j2k_frame.php/japan/www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200409/200409140176.html
    The Japanese are not believing such occultism.