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Japan Could Learn a Thing or Two from Turkey.

October 17th, 2007 . by Gerry-Bevers

Ampontan has written a very good article on the hypocrisy of the Washington Post, which, in effect, means the hypocrisy of many in Washington.

 “The Washington Post: Worse than irrelevant”


32 Responses to “Japan Could Learn a Thing or Two from Turkey.”

  1. comment number 1 by: GarlicBreath

    The use needs a strong ally in Asia, especially considering how anti-American Corea is and the growing importance of China. Japan is the best ally of the USA in Asia. But the USA should not take advantage of that. Its clear that the Democrats are trying to drive a wedge between the USA and her allies.
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    But even though the Japan and the USA are great allies, Japan should not put up with nonsense like Mike Hyundie (D NK) resolution.

  2. comment number 2 by: General Tiger

    One slight objection: Turkey has room to move around militarially (They are, after all, just behind Israel/Iran in terms of military power among the Mid Eastern nations).
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    However, Japan doesn’t really have that space, unless they want to touch off China, Russia(maybe), and the two Koreas.

  3. comment number 3 by: GarlicBreath

    The USA, not use.
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    Mike Hyundie pulls in a lot of kyopo cash. You can find a list of who is financing him here. He weaseled his way out of the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council (KORUSEC)scandal .

  4. comment number 4 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    Mike Hyundie pulls in a lot of kyopo cash.

    I’m not sure how you figured out that cash from Cal. is kyopo money, unless you have magical abilities to see more than what’s on the chart.

  5. comment number 5 by: GarlicBreath

    I looked up his donor list. Lots of Corean names. My guess is, he has the most corean donors in congress.

  6. comment number 6 by: General Tiger

    GarlicBreath:

    I looked up his donor list. Lots of Corean names.

    Understood. You didn’t mention that fact in your original post.

  7. comment number 7 by: kteen

    Garlicbreath,

    Especially considering how anti-American Corea is

    Please don’t start this again…

  8. comment number 8 by: shrokone

    O GarlicBreath stop being so immature. ur being a little irrational with ur generalizations. It’s unfair to blatantly state that koreans are anti-american… all nations have their nationalists… U seem like one of those ppl that give Japan a bad name…

  9. comment number 9 by: ponta.

    Foreign
    Dispatches
    also has a good post related to the subject.

  10. comment number 10 by: GarlicBreath

    U seem like one of those ppl that give Japan a bad name…

    Who seems to be making generalizations now? Not that I expect you to read this. Here is some (PDF) support for Corean anti-Americanism. Everyone who had had any contact with Corea and Corean know that Coreans hate Japan and the USA.
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    The USA could learn from Turkey in dealing with corea.

  11. comment number 11 by: kteen

    Garlicbreath,
    I can’t believe that you have so much time as to read all the stuff in the pdf document.

    Nonetheless,

    Everyone who had had any contact with Corea and Corean know that Coreans hate Japan and the USA.

    That is a stuipd thing to say.

    And it seems to me that shrokone did not make any generalizations in his post.

  12. comment number 12 by: arthurbliss

    Garlic Breath:

    especially considering how anti-American Corea is

    the US is the most popular nation in south korea and they can easily attract over 100,000 people to pro-america demonstration. people over 40s are solidly pro-US, and Grand national party is pro-US too, which attracted 48% of vote last presidential eleciton. of course, second hated country (after Japan) is the US so korean population is sharply divided about U.S issue.

    sure, south korea is not pro-US as japan. but hey, that does not mean south korea does not have to kowtow to US like Japan. you can say south korea is like Germany. both countries are solid allies of the US, plurality of populations are pro-US, and one of two major politiclal party (CDU in Germany) are pro-US, but that does not mean South korea and Germany have to agree with US everything.

  13. comment number 13 by: ponta.

    the US is the most popular nation in south Korea

    Sure, is that why there are so many Koreans who emigrate to the U.S.?

    you can say south Korea is like Germany. both countries are solid allies of the US,

    Then probably many of Korean people’s art of expressing the hatred is so tactful that she gives the wrong impression that Korea is anti-US in Korea

  14. comment number 14 by: arthurbliss

    Sure, is that why there are so many Koreans who emigrate to the U.S.?

    majority of immigration was because of ultra-competitive educational system in SK so that many go aborad to study and settle down.
    also, many got professional work permit and decided to live abroad. at least, working oversea is better than spineless japanese freeter who do only menial work and has no ambition for future. don’t you think?

    Then probably many of Korean people’s art of expressing the hatred is so tactful that she gives the wrong impression that Korea is anti-US in Korea

    yeah, I heard yoshinori Kobayashi’s anti-american books sells hundred thousands, sometimes more than a millions. um, does that make Japan anti-US? http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/ibiken/imgs/e/4/e46e699d.jpg,

  15. comment number 15 by: arthurbliss

    ponta
    I browsed the website and I found that most of them are meaningless. for example, most of example about anti-US is from KTU, and KTU is one of most anti-US organization. I also have to disagree about GI crime report; GI crimes are real, and U.S handling of GI’s crime is apathetic at best. hey, I thought japan has similar GI crime issue and US military base is widely unpopular.

    look, again, there are stronger anti-US feeling in SK than in Japan, but there are strgon presence of pro-US sentiment that evens out. so what’s the problem? I am trying to give you accurate info here, and all you do is to deny it.
    again, korean’s attitude toward the US is similar to germany. nothing more, nothing less.

  16. comment number 16 by: ponta.

    arthurbliss
    Thank you for trying to give us accurate imformation
    arthurbliss wrote

    south korea does not have to kowtow to US like Japan.

    many got professional work permit and decided to live abroad. at least, working oversea is better than spineless japanese freeter who do only menial work and has no ambition for future.

    Probably this is one of the subtle and tactful way that give the wrong impression that Koreans hate Japan (and the U.S.)

    Thank you for proving my point.

    I also have to disagree about GI crime report; GI crimes are real, and U.S handling of GI’s crime is apathetic at best. hey, I thought japan has similar GI crime issue and US military base is widely unpopular.

    Incidentally yesterday there was a news that a Japanese girl was gangraped by GIs in Japan.The police is investigating it. If the story is comfirmed, that is a horrble crime. But there is no candle light demonstration.

  17. comment number 17 by: arthurbliss

    Ponta

    Probably this is one of the subtle and tactful way that give the wrong impression that Koreans hate Japan (and the U.S.)
    Thank you for proving my point

    hey, I was talking about my own view, and I am more of critical to U.S. But I am not representing all koreans and not all koreans are anti-US. can’t you differentiate my own view and other 50 million koreans?
    again, plurality of population (including me) is critical of US, but also polurality of population like US, so that evens out.

    Incidentally yesterday there was a news that a Japanese girl was gangraped by GIs in Japan.The police is investigating it. If the story is comfirmed, that is a horrble crime. But there is no candle light demonstration.

    Okinawa had demonstration over GI raping 12 yrs old girl that attracted 85000 people. so, japan had huge demonstration over GI crime.

    I’m also curious about your take on influential and popular pundit and politicians like yoshinori kobayashi and ishihara shintaro’s anti-US stance. they are widely popular, and many people seem agree with their stance, but does that make japan anti-US?

    again, korea is like Germany who is solid ally of the US but with both plurality of pro and anti US presence. I see there is nothing wrong with that.

  18. comment number 18 by: ponta.

    can’t you differentiate my own view and other 50 million koreans?

    Yes I can. That is why I don’t think all Korean people are anti-Japan and anti-US.There are many sensible and reasonable Korean debaters. But it seems evident that Korean politicians and Korean media hold anti-Japan and pro-North Korean (and pro-China) policy and there is little voice against it. The way you talk nicely shows the way “hot” Korean debaters argue.

    I’m also curious about your take on influential and popular pundit and politicians like yoshinori kobayashi and ishihara shintaro’s anti-US stance. they are widely popular, and many people seem agree with their stance, but does that make japan anti-US?

    Kobayashi is not influential at all and Ishihara won the status of Tokyo governor not because his stance on diplomacy but because
    of his ability to execute domestic issue. Their statements sometimes stand out because they are radical.

    Korea is like Germany who is solid ally of the US but with both plurality of pro and anti US presence. I see there is nothing wrong with that.

    That’s what you want to think, but that is not the way many of Americans and Japanese observers of Korea interpret Korea. And that is the problem and that is the point I am making.

  19. comment number 19 by: kjeff

    ponta,
    Interestingly, GarlicBreath linked an interesting study(comment no.10, which I’ve no doubt he didn’t actually read; otherwise, he wouldn’t have linked it). I didn’t actually read all 100+ pages of it, but you’ll see the complexity of Koreans attitudes toward the U.S. by reading even a select few pages. The gap between the attitudes toward the U.S. vs. Americans for example, though expected, nevertheless stands out. It’s too bad(unless I missed it), that the authors didn’t compare Koreans’ attitudes toward the U.S. to that of other countries’ to see whether they are uniquely Korean or reflect a global trend.

  20. comment number 20 by: arthurbliss

    Yes I can. That is why I don’t think all Korean people are anti-Japan and anti-US.There are many sensible and reasonable Korean debaters. But it seems evident that Korean politicians and Korean media hold anti-Japan and pro-North Korean (and pro-China) policy and there is little voice against it. The way you talk nicely shows the way “hot” Korean debaters argue.

    ha, I really like the way you try to change subject from anti-US to anti-japan. how nice. I bet you can not make argument about anti-US anymore. I admit korean media is anti-japan (and rightly so most of time,) but your comment about pro-N.Korea and pro-china says that you know nothing about south korea. one of two major parties and top three daily is virulently anti-north korea, and most media often make news that are not so favorable about China. please, read editorials of chosun, jungang and donga before you make sweeping generalization about korean media being pro-NK and china. but, this thread is not about anti-japan so we should stick to issue to anti-US sentiment in south korea.

    Kobayashi is not influential at all and Ishihara won the status of Tokyo governor not because his stance on diplomacy but because
    of his ability to execute domestic issue. Their statements sometimes stand out because they are radical.

    funny. then how come anti-US books like Kobayashi’s gomanism books and ishihara shintaro’s “Japan can say no” became bestsellers?
    aalso, you are silent about Japan never having
    mass demonstration about GI crimes when there were 85000 japanese people massed and protested. so do you have nothing to say, eh?

    Korea is like Germany who is solid ally of the US but with both plurality of pro and anti US presence. I see there is nothing wrong with that.

    of course, korea and US relationship as well as germany and the US relationship during bush administration detriorated I guess one of reason was that korea’s Uri party and Germany’s SDP was more of leftist and did not go well with south korea. however, allies can have some tensions, and south korea does not have to follow Bush admin’s axis of evil approach to N korea, and Germany does not have to support Irap war. hey, now U.S do support korea’s sunshine policy, and Germany’s opposition to Irap war proved to be right.

    sure, some american neo-conservatives such as william safire and chalres krauthammer duringdurinf first Bush administration attacked germany and south korea for not being “ally” enough as we did during cold war, but during second term the relationship has been improved between US-SK and US-Germany.

    sure, Germany and SK people held 300,000 anti-US demonstration, but then other traditioanl allies like france, spain, Italy, argentia, brazil, austrailia, UK, India, scandianvia held huge anti-US demonstration too. In other word, SK/Germany and the US become ordinary friends rather than best friends, while Japan remains as best friend of the U.S.
    I don’t see what’s the problem.

  21. comment number 21 by: ponta.

    ha, I really like the way you try to change subject from anti-US to anti-japan. how nice.

    I don’t like the way you try to change the subject from anti-US and anti-Japan to anti-US.

    I admit korean media is anti-japan (and rightly so most of time,)

    Finally you admit it.Thank you. So GB was half correct after all, right?. Now,that is not my claim. I thought Korea was better than that, but if you insisit….
    By the way, why do think it is “rightly” so?

    your comment about pro-N.Korea and pro-china says that you know nothing about south korea. one of two major parties and top three daily is virulently anti-north korea, and most media often make news that are not so favorable about China. please, read editorials of chosun, jungang and donga before you make sweeping generalization about korean media being pro-NK and china

    Notice my claim is that there is a radically different attitude among many Koreans towards Japan pulas the U.S. vs North Korea +China. And do you have to read every Korean newspaper to see Roh is pro-North Korea?
    And I don’t like the way you put your argument, saying I know nothing. Is that your favorite way of arguing? I often encouter this way of arguing when I discuss with Korean people. Is that they way Korean people educated at home?
    Well, I might not know everything, I know enough to argue here. Do you want to hear you know nothing about Japan because you asked about Kobayashi?

    this thread is not about anti-japan so we should stick to issue to anti-US sentiment in south korea.

    GB wrote;

    Everyone who had had any contact with Corea and Corean know that Coreans hate Japan and the USA.

    And this thread is about Japan.

    Japan Could Learn a Thing or Two from Turkey.

    It is you who has changed the subject.

    then how come anti-US books like Kobayashi’s gomanism books and ishihara shintaro’s “Japan can say no” became bestsellers?

    I don’t see why not. Korean love Japanese pornography:They download a lot, it does not mean Korean people are pervert nor does it mean Japanese pornography is influential in Korea.

    you are silent about Japan never having
    mass demonstration about GI crimes when there were 85000 japanese people massed and protested. so do you have nothing to say, eh?

    Because I have never said Japan has had no demonstration. Do I have to quote my comment?

    now U.S do support korea’s sunshine policy,

    Wow I didn’t know that. So does the US kiss NK’s ass?—-Hmmm, surely the US has changed a lot.

  22. comment number 22 by: kjeff

    ponta,

    Because I have never said Japan has had no demonstration. Do I have to quote my comment?

    You didn’t actually write it, but reasonable people can infer from what you wrote below:

    Incidentally yesterday there was a news that a Japanese girl was gangraped by GIs in Japan.The police is investigating it. If the story is comfirmed, that is a horrble crime. But there is no candle light demonstration.

    Let’s just stop talking about broad generalizations such anti-Japanism or anti-Americanism. It’s stupid, because well, it’s too broad and complex to be reduced to simple labelling. The authors of the RAND study, that Garlicbreath linked, spent 100+ pages talking about Koreans’ attitudes toward the U.S., and I doubt if even they can definitely answer that ‘simple’ question, “Are Koreans anti-American?” Surely, they should know more than you do, or I do for that matter, no?

  23. comment number 23 by: ponta.

    Kjeff

    You didn’t actually write it, but reasonable people can infer from what you wrote below:

    That is not reasonable people.
    Okinawan demonstration is famous;everyone knows it.
    And it was not Anti-US demonstration. If I remember correctly it was against gang-rape and the treaty that prohibit Japan from arresting GI criminal.

    “Are Koreans anti-American?” Surely, they should know more than you do, or I do for that matter, no?

    It is wrong to make a general statement that every Korean people hate Japan and the US. And I have made it clear that there are many good Korean debaters.

    (BTW arthurbliss admitted that “korean media is anti-japan ” Did you notice it?)

    My point is that many of Korean debaters in the several forums and Korean media , Korean politicians are tactful enough to lead people to believe that Korea is full of hatred toward Japan and the US.

  24. comment number 24 by: arthurbliss

    I don’t like the way you try to change the subject from anti-US and anti-Japan to anti-US.

    I commented about Garlic breath’s assertion that “korea is anti-US”. then you intervened and commented about my reasonaing. see, we are talking about anti-US feeling here, and now you tried to change the subject from anti-US feeling in SK to anti-japan feeling in south korea.

    I admit korean media is anti-japan (and rightly so most of time,)

    yes. koreans are anti-japan and media is anti-japan, they way most western nations and medias are anti-nazi.

    Notice my claim is that there is a radically different attitude among many Koreans towards Japan pulas the U.S. vs North Korea +China. And do you have to read every Korean newspaper to see Roh is pro-North Korea?
    And I don’t like the way you put your argument, saying I know nothing. Is that your favorite way of arguing? I often encouter this way of arguing when I discuss with Korean people. Is that they way Korean people educated at home?
    Well, I might not know everything, I know enough to argue here. Do you want to hear you know nothing about Japan because you asked about Kobayashi?

    see, you know nothing about korea. ROh’s approval rating has been 15-35% for most of his tenure, and pro-american candidate Lee is poise to win the election this time. also, you really do not know about korean media when you don’t know about big 3 daily in SK is conservative and staunch anti-NK and pro-US. yeah, say if i say asahi shimbun is conservative, then you will think I know nothing about japan’s media. same logic applies here. c’mon, those conservative big 3 newspapers controls 70% of circulation!!

    I don’t see why not. Korean love Japanese pornography:They download a lot, it does not mean Korean people are pervert nor does it mean Japanese pornography is influential in Korea.

    Japanese porn is influential in korea. 😉
    same logic applies here: south korea has more anti-us setiment than japan, but south korea also has strong pro-US sentiment that evens out, and south korea’s anti-us feeling is no different from other traditional U.S. allies like Germany, France or Italy. so significant anti-us presence in korea does not make korea anti-us. if korea is anti-US, then all of western european nations that are allies of the US also anti-US nations, because all western european nations has strong anti-US presence.

    Because I have never said Japan has had no demonstration. Do I have to quote my comment

    POnta said: But there is no candle light demonstration.

    you said there is no candle light demonstration. yeah sure, there was no candle light but japanese did burn US flag. um, isn’t it more anti-US than candle light? ALso, as kteen wrote, anyone can infer from your comment about “no candle right demonstration” that you believed there was no mass demonstration over GI crime in japan.
    so, what’s the difference between candle light demonstration in korea and flag burning demonstration in Japan?

    Wow I didn’t know that. So does the US kiss NK’s ass?—-Hmmm, surely the US has changed a lot.

    uh huh. so please, study more about korea.

  25. comment number 25 by: ponta.

    I commented about Garlic breath’s assertion that “korea is anti-US”.

    So GB started with the statement that Coreans hate the US and Japan . you changed the subject, but after all you admit that Korea is anti-Japan.

    koreans are anti-japan and media is anti-japan, they way most western nations and medias are anti-nazi.

    I really want to hear what Kjeff has to say about it.

    ROh’s approval rating has been 15-35% for most of his tenure

    Roh’s rated has increased after his visit to NK, ifI rememeber correcty. I think one reason his rate was low was because of his plastic face,

    Japanese porn is influential in korea.

    Okay so Kobayashi is influential in the same sense Korean love Japanese pornography.

    japanese did burn US flag. um,

    There is an old photo that a Japanese burn the US flag. He was stupid. Some Japanese rightists say they were zainichi Korean—Nobody knows.

    sn’t it more anti-US than candle light?

    His act was anti-US.Japanese society diaproves it.

    as kteen wrote, anyone can infer from your comment about “no candle right demonstration” that you believed there was no mass demonstration over GI crime in japan.

    Do you mean Kjeff? That is a big difference. Kteen is cute Korean boy/girl who needs a lot of study for the future. Kjeff is a mature person who is married to a Korean woman.(I love his talk about his wife.)
    Candle light demontration is often cited by Americansn and others as an example of Korean nationalism, anti-Americanism.
    Japanese burning of the US flag is rarely cited except by Koreans who want to counterargue against Korean burning the US. It is rarely cited because it rarely happens while Korean burning the US flag often happened.

    uh huh. so please, study more about korea.

    ]
    Thank you. I will.

  26. comment number 26 by: arthurbliss

    So GB started with the statement that Coreans hate the US and Japan . you changed the subject, but after all you admit that Korea is anti-Japan.

    sure korea is anti-japan (more specifically anto-japan nationalists; we don;t have average japanese folk). I told you this several time, and I keep telling you that I was refuting GB’s assertion about SK being so anti-US. I so i wrote about this. so mine was only about anti-US feeling in SK. then you brought up about anti-japan, and pro-north korea and pro-china setiment in korea. it is you who changed the subject.

    Roh’s rated has increased after his visit to NK, ifI rememeber correcty. I think one reason his rate was low was because of his plastic face

    south prez going to north korea to reconcile with NK is always heartwarming experience, and it is not surprising that popularity moved from around from 20% to 35%. that means his previous supporters are coming back to support him. so that means many of other 65% still does not support sunshine policy (which is sad ;()
    so, your blanket claim about korean politicians and korea media being pro-china and NK are really off the mark here. well, some of them are, but then many of them are not.

    Candle light demontration is often cited by Americansn and others as an example of Korean nationalism, anti-Americanism.

    you are trying to dodge your claim that japanese does not have candle light demonstration. your claim meant that japan did not have anti-US mass demonstration. but then japan had mass demonstration over GI crime and US military base in 1995, and they burned US flags. please don’t tell me this is not anti-US. c’mon. admit it. you said japan did not have “candle light demonstration”, but then mass japanese demonstration occured in 1995 and burned flag. this disproves your claim that there was no “candle light demonstration”

    There is an old photo that a Japanese burn the US flag. He was stupid. Some Japanese rightists say they were zainichi Korean—Nobody knows.

    what the hell? where did that zainich come from?
    wow, I don’t like the way you put your argument.
    if you are not sure, then just don’t bring up. writing this hearsay will only weaken your argument and integrity. Is that your favorite way of arguing? I often encouter this way of arguing when I discuss with Japanese nationalist people. Is that they way Japanese people educated at home?

    my previous post:
    same logic applies here: south korea has more anti-us setiment than japan, but south korea also has strong pro-US sentiment that evens out, and south korea’s anti-us feeling is no different from other traditional U.S. allies like Germany, France or Italy. so significant anti-us presence in korea does not make korea anti-us. if korea is anti-US, then all of western european nations that are allies of the US also anti-US nations, because all western european nations has strong anti-US presence.

    so this is my central argument against GB’s assertion that korea is anti-US.
    alright, keep study hard. 😉

  27. comment number 27 by: kjeff

    ponta,

    I really want to hear what Kjeff has to say about it.

    I’m hoping that he was being sarcastic… But, no, I can’t agree that Korean media is anti-Japan nor that Koreans are anti-Japan. I generally hate the term ‘anti-‘ because it’s absolute, and in life, rarely anything is. What is anti-Japan anyway? If he were talking about Korean media/Koreans taking widely accepted positions in usual Japan issues, Dokdo, comfort women, East-Sea, then yes, he’s right, but that hardly make Korean media/Koreans anti-Japan. We simply disagree on some issues. Yes, it can be heated at times, and some, or more correctly, few went above and beyond, but I very much doubt that Koreans/Korean media as a whole are anti-Japan.
    I’m curious of these, if there are any, anti-Japanese Koreans… To be one, by my standard, he/she should not use Japanese electronics.(How do you travel without a Nikon? Yes, Samsung also makes good cameras, but…) Shouldn’t drive Japanese car.(Loving recent Hyundais, but if I were to own a car, it’ll be an Acura.) Shouldn’t eat sushi/sashimi Japanese way, soy sauce and wasabi.(Never got used to the red-pepper paste way.) Shouldn’t read Japanese manga.(By my wife’s account, more influential to her than any novels; having minored in English lit in college, that’s saying a lot. I started learning Go(or Baduk) after reading Hikaru No Go.) Shouldn’t play Playstation and Wii.(Ouch…, yes, you can play X-Box, but what games?) Not a very fun life…

  28. comment number 28 by: arthurbliss

    I generally hate the term ‘anti-’ because it’s absolute, and in life, rarely anything is. What is anti-Japan anyway? If he were talking about Korean media/Koreans taking widely accepted positions in usual Japan issues, Dokdo, comfort women, East-Sea, then yes, he’s right

    yes. of course I was talking about south korean people/media’s anti-japan stance regarding japanese nationalist’s arguments about WWII,
    comfort women, yasukuni and Dokdo etc.

  29. comment number 29 by: ponta.

    arthurbliss

    I told you this several time, and I keep telling you that I was refuting GB’s assertion about SK being so anti-US.

    So you are right about it;not every Korean person is anti-US.
    And I tend to agree with Kjeff that not every Korean person is anti-Japan either, even on the issue you mentinoned.
    But you seems to be argueing , with GB, that every Korean people are anti-Japan. That is okay, that is your opinion. And I am glad to know you agree with the half of GB’s claim.
    As for the rest of your claim, if you really want to claim something, just reconstruct your argument so that we can sensibly discuss.
    What is your thesis? and what is your ground?

    kjeff

    I’m curious of these, if there are any, anti-Japanese Koreans…
    Kjeff, I don’t think all the Koreans are anti-Japan, nor do I think Korean does not accept some virtues in things Japanese. According to the recent poll, for Koreans, Japan is the country that they hate most but at the same times Japan is the country they should learn from. So there is a complex sentiments toward Japan among Koreans.
    But looking at Korean media, I do think it is biased and it presents only one perspective.
    For instance, on the issue of comfort women, no media tries to correct the misperception that Women volunteer corps(女子挺身隊)is different from comfort women. That is why just school girl’s figure caused the stir among young Korean netizen.
    http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/18/japanese-plastic-kit-maker-causes-stir/
    Many of them are not informed of the fact that many of the pimps were Koreans, and that after the war, the same tragedy happened to the poor Korean women during the Korean war.Those women have been ignored. The issue was just used to fuel Korean nationalism. Korean media helps it.
    Let’s take Dokdo for another instance, they are not
    given the fact such as Gerry gives.They are just conditioned to react Dokdo is Korean.The Korean media has contributed a lot to this tendency.
    And look at arthurbliss’s statement that Koreans are “anti-japan and media is anti-japan, they way most western nations and medias are anti-nazi”.
    His statement is typical Korean reaction that lead people to believe Korea is anti-Japan—“typical in a sense that it stands out for non-Koreans because it is too emotional and irrational).

    There is a bit of nationalism in every country but in a country like the U.S, and Japan, there is always criticism from among its people. In Korea, I rarely see it. Korean intellectuals and media are too lazy, people who are concerned about Korea are too lazy.

  30. comment number 30 by: GarlicBreath

    yes. koreans are anti-japan and media is anti-japan, they way most western nations and medias are anti-nazi.

    arthurbliss, I agree with your generalization that Coreans are anti-japanese. That is what I said in the first place. However, I disagree with your linkage to nazi. You are very transparent in your hatred for Japan.
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    Back to the topic. The USA needs to send Corea a message like Turkey did to the USA. Koreans (not all) do hate the USA, and the people of the USA should not put up with it. There have been many studies done proving that Coreans hate the USA, but most people don’t find corea important enough to pay attention.

  31. comment number 31 by: GarlicBreath

    I’m curious of these, if there are any, anti-Japanese Koreans… To be one, by my standard, he/she should not use Japanese electronics.(How do you travel without a Nikon? Yes, Samsung also makes good cameras, but…) Shouldn’t drive Japanese car.(Loving recent Hyundais, but if I were to own a car, it’ll be an Acura.) Shouldn’t eat sushi/sashimi Japanese way, soy sauce and wasabi.(Never got used to the red-pepper paste way.) Shouldn’t read Japanese manga.(By my wife’s account, more influential to her than any novels; having minored in English lit in college, that’s saying a lot. I started learning Go(or Baduk) after reading Hikaru No Go.) Shouldn’t play Playstation and Wii.(Ouch…, yes, you can play X-Box, but what games?) Not a very fun life…

    This is popular in corea.

    Around universities, “Patriotic Blind Dates” are the fad. Before going out on a “Patriotic Blind Date,” the couple must remove articles of clothing and accessories, such as watches or shoes, which are made in Japan.

    During the date, the couple does not go to coffee shops that play Japanese music, do not eat Japanese food such as udon, or go to Japanese restaurants like Robatayaki-style pubs. They are careful only to eat Korean food and drink Korean alcohols like soju and dongdongju.

    It’s not just Japanese “hardware” that’s refused, either. The couple mustn’t sing Japanese songs at karaoke clubs, and if one of the them slips and uses a borrowed Japanese word like “ip-pai” (meaning “full”), that person must pay the cost of the entire date.

    I have never heard of a similar custom in any other country except what the nazi’s did to the jews.
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    Yes it makes for a boring date, if the coreans are honest and only do Corean things. Corea has invented very litte, but most coreans I know, claim much of japanese culture as “really” corean and go about their date.

  32. comment number 32 by: GarlicBreath

    I should be clear as to my statement regarding Coreans acting like nazis. The nationalitic tendencies of coreans just remind me of what the nazis did in 1933 with boycotting jewish businesses.

    On April 1, 1933, a week after Hitler became dictator of Germany, he ordered a boycott of Jewish shops, banks, offices and department stores. But the boycott was mostly ignored by German shoppers and was called off after three days. However, the unsuccessful boycott was followed by a rapid series of laws which robbed the Jews of many rights.

    Roh even set up special laws 60 years after the fact to rob pro-japanese coreans of their property. I see corea heading in the wrong direction.