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Japanese Ambassador given a public dressing down by the South Korean Foreign Minister

October 21st, 2005 . by Matt

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Japanese Ambassador Shotaro Oshima looking uncomfortable as his country is criticised by the South Korean Foreign Minister, Ban Ki-moon

After Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited Yasukuni Shrine, Japanese Ambassador to South Korea Shotaro Oshima was summoned by the South Korean Foreign Minister, Ban Ki-moon, the same day (Oct. 17) and was strongly criticised for the visit. Arriving at the office of the Korean Foreign Minister, the Japanese Ambassador found that there was a score of reporters waiting in the office to record and report on what was supposed to be a public humiliation. According to this Korean article from the Choson Ilbo, the Japanese ambassador was asked to tell of the displeasure and frustration of the Korean government to the Japanese Foreign Minister and Prime Minister Koizumi.

The Japanese Ambassador listened to the ranting of the South Korean Foreign Minister (who fancies himself as the next UN Secretary-General) and finally replied that he would “faithfully pass on the message”, and added that “Prime Minister Koizumi has told of his thinking concerning visits to Yasukuni Shrine on numerous occasions in the past, and I will not repeat it here”.

I wonder what Koreans get out of this crude display of false dominance over someone that cannot give a stern rebuttle because of diplomatic protocol. Really, this says a lot about the mentality of the people in power in Korea.

The ambush of the Japanese Ambassador can be seen here on YTN.


124 Responses to “Japanese Ambassador given a public dressing down by the South Korean Foreign Minister”

  1. comment number 1 by: Victor

    Ponta,

    That’s right, or to be exact, Korea’s incompetence has nothing to do with the Japanese war-crimes.

    Then why did you (and Mika) bring up Korea all of a sudden??

    The following, which I already posted before, is not Korean or Chinese progaganda. It was stated by an American organization that is dedicated to the studies of Japan:

    …in some respects Japan was guilty of crimes that even the Nazis did not commit-for example, trading in opium to finance the activities of its puppet governments, bacteriological and gas warfare, and (also in China) the forced evacuation of vast areas of all population (mujin chitaika). Yet genocidal intent as such remains peculiar to the Nazis.

    Blaming the Koreans or Chinese for spreading a bad image of Japan would no longer help here. Truth is truth. Let’s just deal with it..

  2. comment number 2 by: ponta

    Victor
    thanks

    Then why did you (and Mika) bring up Korea all of a sudden??

    Because this thread is about Japan-Korea relations.

    Japanese Ambassador given a public dressing down by the South Korean Foreign Minister

    The following, which I already posted before, is not Korean or Chinese progaganda. It was stated by an American organization that is dedicated to the studies of Japan

    I don’t claim that his statement is wrong because it is a propaganda, and yet,I think this American is making inadequade statements here.

    Japan was guilty of crimes that even the Nazis did not commit-for example, trading in opium to finance the activities of its puppet governments, bacteriological and gas warfare, and (also in China) the forced evacuation of vast areas of all population (mujin chitaika)

    I don’t think Nazi didn’t do any of these kinds of activities.

    (As a side note, sometime some Chinese and KOrean describe what Japanese army did as an Asian Holocaust, I don’t understand why they are justified in extending the usage of the word “Holocaust”, I can understand them if they are doing it as a propaganda.)

    But if what you want to say is that Japan commited atrocities during the war and Japan should admit the facts, I agree.
    Japan commited atrocities during the war. Sadly,that is the truth.

  3. comment number 3 by: Matt

    Japan commited atrocities during the war. Sadly,that is the truth.

    Still, that is no reason for Japanese to admit to atrocities they did not commit. Actrocities happened, true, but their scale and frequency has been greatly exaggerated by wartime propaganda (I dont include Korea here – actrocities happened in chaotic war zones like China, not peaceful areas like Korea).

  4. comment number 4 by: ponta

    apan commited atrocities during the war. Sadly,that is the truth.

    Still, that is no reason for Japanese to admit to atrocities they did not commit. Actrocities happened, true, but their scale and frequency has been greatly exaggerated by wartime propaganda (I dont include Korea here – actrocities happened in chaotic war zones like China, not peaceful areas like Korea).

    Exactly.
    It is wrong to say what happened didn’t happen.
    It is also wrong to say what didn’t happen happened.
    It is important to know what happened and what didn’t happen in history.
    Some people sometimes blame Japanese, saying they should face the history when they point out that is not what happened. To admit what happened is important but to say that is not what happened is not to deny there are other things that happened.In my view, those who claim what didn’t hapen happened also need to face the history.

  5. comment number 5 by: Matt

    Apologies to Gerry Bevers for allowing the personal attack against him to stand so long. I have been working for the last 3 weeks every day, and completely missed that one. Fortunately, another reader kindly alerted me to it.

  6. comment number 6 by: JK

    Excuse me, but why was my post deleted? Gerry has questioned the credibility of certain writers that Victor quoted based on their personal lives, so why is Gerry himself immune to this, Matt? Is it because Gerry is arguing something that makes you feel good, Matt? Are you striking back at those bad ol’ Koreans for whatever they did to you?

    Here’s what I wrote:

    DELETED

  7. comment number 7 by: Matt

    Excuse me, but why was my post deleted? Gerry has questioned the credibility of certain writers that Victor quoted based on their personal lives, so why is Gerry himself immune to this, Matt? Is it because Gerry is arguing something that makes you feel good, Matt? Are you striking back at those bad ol’ Koreans for whatever they did to you?

    Here’s what I wrote:

    DELETED

    Dont talk about any persons wife or family here.

  8. comment number 8 by: Gerry Bevers

    No need to apologize, Matt.

    I did not see what was written about my ex-wife, but whatever it was, it is irrelevant to this discussion. Besides, my wife and I separated on good terms, and our separation had nothing to do with my views of Korean history. In fact, we still stay in contact.

    JK,

    Korea was an ally to Japan. The sooner Koreans face up to that fact, the sooner they can stop wasting their time and energy trying to cover it up by bashing Japan at every possible opportunity. The empty cart makes the most noise, and Korea is making a lot of noise.

  9. comment number 9 by: Katz

    What do you expect then? That Korea unite with Japan? Hahaha…

  10. comment number 10 by: JK

    Matt,

    Why was ALL the content of my last post erased? Shame. You don’t want objectivity, you want a biased argument, which is what Gerry gives you. Thankfully, I saved what I wrote last time. 🙂

    Gerry,

    How can you say Korea was an ally of Japan? That’s like saying Jews who were forced to do labor for Nazi Germany were their allies in World War II. Or that’s like saying black people in the US don’t have any reason to complain about their treatment since colonial days because they SUPPORTED their white masters. According to your arguments about the 17 year-old Korean sex slave who supposedly admitted she cheered when she heard about a Japanese victory, that makes it so that a black slave who cheers that the Confederate unit won a battle in the Civil War means today’s African-Americans have no right to complain about being enslaved by white Americans. Or just as bad, because let’s say one black slave cheered that a Confederate unit won a battle and that others were forced to help the Confederacy that this somehow means that African-American people as a whole helped the Confederacy, according to your arguments.

    Do you see how wrong your arguments are now? I think this has been pointed out to you many times, Gerry, at the Korea Times but you stubbornly stick to your ways insisting that the entire nation of Korea fought on the side of Japan. I’ll be sure to tell my Jewish friends this because based on your logic, you’re saying that the entire Jewish population in Europe fought on the side of Nazi Germany. I’ll be sure to tell my African-American friends this because based on your logic, you’re saying that the entire black population in America fought on the side of the slave-holding Confederacy. Then I’ll also point out that you said that the sooner they face the “truth” the better. What do you think, Gerry? Will they be upset about this? Or would this “sensitive” reaction be exclusive only to Koreans?

    You are truly a sick man, Gerry Bevers, and you’re sick obsession with bashing Korea and revising history INCORRECTLY is very telling about yourself and your life.

  11. comment number 11 by: JK

    Gerry wrote:
    “Korea was an ally to Japan. The sooner Koreans face up to that fact, the sooner they can stop wasting their time and energy trying to cover it up by bashing Japan at every possible opportunity. The empty cart makes the most noise, and Korea is making a lot of noise.”

    Korea was colonized by Japan, and its people were forced to do things against their own will, like not speak their own language or even use their own family-given names. MANY Koreans, including those I know who lived through it, were upset about this and MANY risked their lives to protest this. Students protested, and many patriots were executed. In the 1930s independence groups had to secretly teach proper Korean to youngsters so that the language and culture would not be lost.

    While this was going on, Korean women were forced into sexual slavery by the Japanese. Biological warfare against the Koreans by the Japanese occurred. Forced consciption in the military did occur, but these soldiers did NOT fight against the US plus the alternative to turning down a forced conscription was torture and death when all these people wanted was to survive, like black people in America or Jews in Germany, who had also been forced to do things against their will.

    A young 17 year-old Korean sex slave, according to Bevers, said she did naively cheer when she heard of a Japanese victory in WWII.

    How does one take all this and then say that the entire Korean population fought on the side of Japan? Don’t any of you find that sick? I mean aside from the Korean-bashers who seem to have an agenda?

  12. comment number 12 by: takeshima

    JK-there was slavery in Korea that resembeled antebellium south slavery, but it was coreans enslaving other coreans. It was the the japanese with the kabo reforms of 1894 that outlawed slavery. You should thank japan for freeing the slaves.
    You should learn history. Coreans want to brainwash people into beliveing that every corean woman was raped and every corean man was a slave. Its just not true.

  13. comment number 13 by: JK

    Yeah, takeshima, I’ll be sure to tell all those older Koreans I know who were forced to go by Japanese names and who were not permitted to even speak their own language that they should be grateful to those wonderful Japanese who colonized them. Damn ingrates!

    Just like Malaysians, Chinese, Singaporeans, and Chinese are grateful to the Japanese for all random killings, rapes, and torture. I suggest you read the memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of modern Singapore; he personally WITNESSED the senseless torture and murder of innocent, harmless people in his homeland by the Japanese soldiers. He also commented that he wondered why it was so hard for Japan to come to terms with its war crimes the way Germany and Italy had done.

    But then by Gerry Bevers’ logic, the Malaysians and Chinese were allies of Japan because they were occupied by invading Japanese troops and thus have no reason to complain.

  14. comment number 14 by: ponta

    JK

    I’ll be sure to tell all those older Koreans I know who were forced to go by Japanese names and who were not permitted to even speak their own language that they should be grateful to those wonderful Japanese who colonized them.

    1
    A lot of Koreans applied volountarily for the Japanese army, but many were rejected.
    In 1943, more than 300000 Korean young men applied for the army.
    The population of that year 24000000, so almost all the young men between 18 and 22 applied for the army.
    year passers applicants rate
    1938 408 2,948 7.7
    1939 613 2,348 20.1
    1940 3,060 84,443 27.6
    1941 3,206 144,743 45.1
    1942 4,077 254,273 62.4
    1943 5,300 303,294 56.7
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/touchi/sigan.htm

    These facts are well documented in Japan center for a historical record.
    http://www.jacar.go.jp/asia_en/index_en.html

    2
    Japanese names were not forced to use.
    This is a copy of a family register under Japanese rule.
    There is no Japanese name but Korean name is written in Hangule
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/koseki.jpg

    This is a high school graduation album during the colonization..Korean name are listed.
    http://www.geocities.jp/korean10lies/4name/ik-miyuki93.jpg

    This is a korean famous dancer called Che Yonhi . She was super star even among then Japanese.

    There were no penalty for not using Japanese name.
    http://www.geocities.jp/korean10lies/4name/JP_00_01.jpg
    Hence, general. Hong Shi-yoku(洪思翊中将) and the governer of Gyeongsong Bug Do, Kim Dei-u( 金大羽慶北道知事) did not have the Japanese name

    3
    It is not true that Korean were not permited to speak
    Yes, Japanese was an official language under the colonization just as English was an official language in Philippines.
    However, it is not case that Korean was not permited to speak
    1)According to the statistics of Korean government in 1941, 14% of the Korean popuation could communicate in Japanese.

    2)The films in Korean were made.
    http://www.koreafilm.or.kr/english/db_result.asp?v_kw_str=ANGEL&v_db_str=&v_cmp_str=&v_dblist=4294967296&v_dbcount=1&v_start=11&v_pnum=10&v_expmode=2&v_rtype=1&v_disp_type=0&v_sort=000&v_sort_type=1&v_from=&v_to=&v_back=
    http://www.koreafilm.or.kr/english/db_result.asp?v_dblist=4294967296&v_dbcount=1&v_kw_query=train&gogo2.x=14&gogo2.y=14

    3)Korean was taught at school.
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/doku-on1.jpg
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/dokuhon2.jpg
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/dokuhon3.jpg

    4)Hangul was for uneducated women and children, and Korean intellectuals, who knew how to use Chinese letters, despised it. Japanese helped Koreans spread Hangle.

    5)NHK radio station broadcasted in Korean

    6)Korean dictionary was made during this period..
    http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2004/02/27/20040227000088.html

    7)Hangule was used in the newspaper
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/choson.jpg

    8)Japan encouraged Japanese public employee to study Korean, by giving a sort of scholarship.

    I don’t know why Koreans want to believe they were just victims of Japan.
    As I said somewhere, I maybe biased. correct me if I am wrong.
    Thanks

  15. comment number 15 by: ponta

    EDIT

    This is a high school graduation album during the colonization..Korean name are listed.
    http://www.geocities.jp/korean10lies/4name/ik-miyuki93.jpg
    In case, the link does not work,
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/sotu.jpg
    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/image/meibo1.jpg

    This is a korean famous dancer called Che Yonhi . She was super star even among then Japanese.
    http://www.geocities.jp/korean10lies/4name/JP_00_01.jpg
    In case the link does not work,

    There were no penalty for not using Japanese name.
    Hence, general. Hong Shi-yoku(洪思翊中将) and the governer of Gyeongsong Bug Do, Kim Dei-u( 金大羽慶北道知事) , for instance, did not have the Japanese name

  16. comment number 16 by: ponta

    ust like Malaysians, Chinese, Singaporeans, and Chinese are grateful to the Japanese for all random killings, rapes, and torture. I suggest you read the memoirs of Lee Kuan Yew, the founder of modern Singapore; he personally WITNESSED the senseless torture and murder of innocent, harmless people in his homeland by the Japanese soldiers. He also commented that he wondered why it was so hard for Japan to come to terms with its war crimes the way Germany and Italy had done

    I said somewhere the Japanese treatment of POWs should should be condemned and we need to study it more. but KISHORE MAHBUBANI, one of Asia’s leading thinkers, from Singapore says.

    As a child of a poor Indian immigrant family growing up in the 1950s in the British colony of Singapore, neither I nor my classmates could have even conceived the notion that an Asian century would begin in our lifetimes. We believed that London was the center of the universe; one friend used to tell me that the streets there were paved with gold. Both India and China seemed doomed to eternal poverty

    Those as yet unborn will not understand how deeply the myth of European cultural superiority had been embedded into the Indian psyche. Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Indian Prime Minister, once said the defeat of Russia in 1905 by Japan first triggered the idea of independence for India in his mind. That was a remarkable admission; it implied that intelligent Indians could not conceive of governing themselves before Japan, an Asian power, defeated a European one

    http://www.time.com/time/asia/2005/journey/introduction.html.
    I think history is not just black and white.
    (BTW do you mind giving me the source for Lee Kuan Yew?)

  17. comment number 17 by: ponta

    Biological warfare against the Koreans by the Japanese occurred.

    I am terribly sorry, I am ignorant. When did it occur?

  18. comment number 18 by: JK

    Re: Biological warfare, go to http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/germwar/731rev.htm
    and
    http://japanfocus.org/article.asp?id=452 .

    Re: Lee Kuan Yew’s remarks about the Japanese not doing enough to live up to their wartime crimes, you can find his book at
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9812049835/qid=1133380838/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-0280649-6400936?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

  19. comment number 19 by: ponta

    JK
    Thanks.
    I know the unit 731. and I know these article.
    But did they say that” Biological warfare against the Koreans by the Japanese occurred”?.

    I’ll check Lee Kuan’s book.Thanks again.

  20. comment number 20 by: Ponta

    JK
    As far as i read two arricles. they do not say “Biological warfare against the Koreans by the Japanese occurred”
    And Lee Kuan’s book does not say he had direct experience, he said he heard from his friend.
    Could you quote if possible?

  21. comment number 21 by: JK

    Hmm, I’ll find a source about biological warfare against the Koreans. I think we have established that it was used against the Chinese. Such terrible Japanese!

    Read the early part of Lee Kuan’s book. Damn, now I’ll have to go to a local Border’s to find it and find the page. Anyway, I CLEARLY remember talking about how the Japanese randomly executed people and how Lee himself barely avoided such a senseless execution. In the book is also a black-and-white picture of Japanese officers torturing a man during WWII in what is now present-day Singapore. Terrible Japanese! and they still deny what they did!

  22. comment number 22 by: Ponta

    n the book is also a black-and-white picture of Japanese officers torturing a man during WWII in what is now present-day Singapore.

    Yeah, I remember that.But there was no explanation for the photo.
    you said,

    he personally WITNESSED the senseless torture and murder of innocent, harmless people in his homeland by the Japanese soldiers

    But from what I’ve read (in the bookstore), he heard from his friend.

    we have established that it was used against the Chinese. Such terrible Japanese!

    Indeed, the mistreatment of POWs by Japanese army should be studied more.
    But notice how you use the words.
    Nice Koreans means either all the koreans are nice or the koreans who are nice, which meaning are you using?


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