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Korean Genocider Nayuki + Kenkanryu 2

September 29th, 2005 . by Matt

There is an interesting Japanese short story about Japan/Korea issues, called ‘Korean Genocider Nayuki’, that deals with the same issues as on occidentalism, and is not only hilariously funny but also free to read on the web. I mean it was free to read on the web. Now the site with the story has been taken down. Last week I heard a strong rumor that ‘Korean Genocider Nayuki’ was to be made into a book or a comic book, because of the great success of Kenkanryu. The fact that is has been taken down this week means that it is probably true. Fortunately the web archive has kept a copy of their story on their servers, so you can read ‘Korean Genocider Nayuki’ by clicking here (you still need to be able to read Japanese, though). Remember, you heard it first on Occidentalism.

In other news, it seems that Kenkanryu 2 is to be released before the the end of the year. Its starts explosively with Korean TV reporters illegally entering the publishing company premises and hysterically demanding to know if the company is the publisher of ‘the history distorting comic book’, and then going up to the uppper floors of the company without permission, and taking photos and making demands. Here is a preview of Kenkanryu 2, courtesy of a Japanese magazine (clearly a rough draft).

kenkan2

Kenkanryu itself has also exceeded sales of 300 000 copies in just one month. The author drew the below picture in thanks to the people that bought the comic.

thanks

I must say I am looking forward to Kenkanryu 2. If you can read Japanese be sure to get your hands on both 1 and 2.


42 Responses to “Korean Genocider Nayuki + Kenkanryu 2”

  1. comment number 1 by: Two Cents

    The sequel better have some new information this time, or else it’s not going to sell as many copies as the first, which was bought by many simply to show support even if the information was already available on the net.

    The books I’m looking forward to are:

    韓国人につけるクスリ ―韓国・自覚症状なしのウリナライズムの病理
    中岡 龍馬
    Medicine for Koreans – the pathology of asymptomatic urinaraism
    ttp://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4775506315/ref=ase_aruhennshuush-22/250-2310401-4703458

    韓国狂乱
    櫻井 よしこ
    Korea in Frenzy
    ttp://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4163674608/qid=1128024651/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/250-2310401-4703458

    But they probably won’t sell 300,000 copies, since they’re not in manga format. The former is by a Japanese blogger living in Korea, and the latter by a very famous jouranalist in Japan, Yoshiko Sakurai. She is currently writing a series in the Weekly Shincho regarding worrisome developments in South Korea under Pres. Roh, but the book is due to be published by Bunshun, so maybe the contents will not be the same.

  2. comment number 2 by: TEITS

    Short History Flash

    ” The International Military Tribunal for the Far East (Flash)”
    http://www.geocities.co.jp/Milano-Aoyama/6915/
    “Empire of Japan”
    http://www.teiteitah.net/emp_jp-1.html

  3. comment number 3 by: Eterna

    Hello Matt.

    Again, the Korean media seems to post a fabricated article about Japan and its story is running through the net in Japan.

    The Dong-A Ilbo, I believe one of the most major newspaper in South Korea, posted an article titled “Japanime Legend Chiba Tetsuya Visits Korea” on October 3rd, and referred Mr. Chiba’s comment to Kenkan-Ryu as “I do not know much about the comic book, but I believe that speaking ill of Korean culture cannot be tolerated. Various cultures coexist in Japan; China, Korea and other Asian countries each take up one quarter of the Japanese blood, with only the rest coming from the Japanese natives. We should respect culture and make cultural exchanges with others. It seems that the author of the book was ignorant of the fact. I would like to make an apology on behalf of Japanese comic book writers.”

    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=130000&biid=2005100398098

    To this article, Mr. Chiba made an official statement today and explained his intention as follows (Sorry if my translation is incorrect):

    http://chibapro.co.jp/toanippo.html

    *It was true that Dong-A Ilbo interviewed me (=Mr. Chiba), but the reporter has NEVER asked me to make an comment about Kenkan-Ryu.

    *I NEVER made a comment like “I would like to make an apology on behalf of Japanese comic book writers.” Besides, I’m not the person who can make an apology ON BEHALF OF Japanese comic book writers.

    *Only occation I can recall as being asked about Kenkan-Ryu was that during my lecture held there, a fan posted me a question: What do you think of Kenkan-Ryu. My answer was something like “I’ve never read that comic therefore I can’t make comments. However, IF IT’S TRUE, as the questioner says, that the comic was created in only one-sided point of view, and its contents is only to insult Korean people and their culture and hurt their feelings, it’s really a shame. I’m sorry for that.” My remarks were based on hypothesis, and I intended to show sympathy for the questioner.

    *I will try to be more cautious when I comment on something in public appearances from now on to avoid such misunderstanding and making my fans confused consequently.

    Anyway I relieved to know that Mr. Chiba is NOT one of the stupid people who criticize the book that they have not read.

  4. comment number 4 by: Matt

    Yes, we were talking about that here.

    I also sent the link to my friend maa and we were discussing how he could do that. However, it seems I made the foolish mistake in believing the Korean media, which is surprising since I take on the Korean media for their fabrications here and here.

    In any case, this deserves a post. Thanks for the heads up, Eterna.

  5. comment number 5 by: ponta

    follow up.
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510040020.html
    This is an article about Korean wave in China.

    別冊宝島より『マンガ嫌韓流の真実!』が発売(10/21)
    http://tkj.jp/tkj/news/
    This is about a book about the comic too be publishedc.–the book will, it says, examaine whether what this comic says is true,

  6. comment number 6 by: ponta

    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510140007.html
    Medicine for Koreans – the pathology of asymptomatic urinaraism

    Sorry,those not living in Japan.
    I am going to the bookstore tomorrow..

  7. comment number 7 by: Matt

    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510140007.html
    Medicine for Koreans – the pathology of asymptomatic urinaraism

    Sorry,those not living in Japan.
    I am going to the bookstore tomorrow..

    Im going to Kinokuniya today.


  8. […] In what seems to be a ‘wave‘ (forgive the pun) of expose style books about Korea coming from Japan, a new book has become the target of critism in Korea. Called ‘Medicine for Koreans – the pathology of asymptomatic urinaraism‘ (The title was mistranslated by the Choson Ilbo), the book takes on Korean societal issues instead of the political issues dealt with in other books. […]

  9. comment number 9 by: Marine1

    Hey everyone,

    As an American Marine having spent life in both Korea and Japan, and I can say that I understand the rants posted here. There were so many things I couldn’t stand about Korea, but the same goes for Japan.

    Anyway, I just want to know whether people on this site only want to rant about Korea, because I have some real bad experiences in Japan too. Is there any room for this, or is this an anti-Korea, pro-Japan site?

    Thanks

  10. comment number 10 by: takeshima

    This website isnt anti-Korean and if you read what many of the comments that koreans make, you would belive the website is in fact anti-japanese.

  11. comment number 11 by: A.S.

    All I can say is…I am deeply and utterly ashamed for the human race.

  12. comment number 12 by: Marine1

    Responding to Takeshima:

    While I don’t agree with everything that the general population of Koreans say (there is a huge difference between native Koreans, and ethnic Koreans who are not of Korea, (IE Korean-Americans, Korean-Canadian, Korean-Japanese, Korean-English, Korean Russina, etc…)
    I haven’t really seen much on this site criticizing anything Japan does.
    It seems like everything Japan does can do no wrong. All countries have problems and no one is perfect.

    For example, there are blogs on how anti-American Korea can be, but where are all the ones about Japan? Do you remember the incident quite a few years back dealing with the rape of a Japanese girl in Okinawa? How much anti-Americanism/racism was shown against all military personnel when a few bad apples actually commited the act?
    I’ve actually had people throw garbage at me outside of the base. Don’t believe that is showing gratitude either to us Americans for protecting their nation. Oh, and let’s not forget the history of the US rebuilding Japan after WWII and giving it a head start to become what it is today.

    On the issue of the Kenkanryu manga and other Korea-hating related books, I simply find it to be wrong. I wouldn’t support anything on this level, be it anti-Korean, anti-Japanese, anti-whatever. It simply promotes racism and hatred. Mein Kampf was also a “harmless” biased book, but look what it led to. While I’m not saying that these books will lead to something on that scale, it promotes hatred which is wrong to begin with. Would you buy manga that promoted that slavery was correct and led to good results in the US? Or the geneocide of millions of Jews and other miniorities in WWII led to the modernation of many countries under the Nazi regime?

    It is one thing to criticize Koreans and their stubborn viewpoints, but to actually support hate propoganda is something else. The kenkanryu and the other manga about the birth of China, are completely ignorant. Supporting ignorance and hatred is not the key to solving problems.

    And yes, this does seem like an anti-Korean, pro-Japanese website. I also never found any criticism on China when they held the Japanese protests…only things on Korea.

    Thanks for the time.

  13. comment number 13 by: Matt

    Marine1, read the FAQ. Just because I am not writing about oppressed pygmies in Zimbabwe does not mean I am trying to cover anything up. Those issues are dealt with in other media outlets and blogs – I am merely one person.

    As for Kenkanryu, I would suggest you read it before you make hasty judgements about it. As I have pointed out, it has been misquoted and distorted in the media.

  14. comment number 14 by: takeshima

    Marine1,

    Can you give me a list of anti-corean blogs, besides the one ssupposid ant-corean blog ponta listed.

    are you compareing this Kenkanryu with MeinKomf? and the holocost and slavery? Marine1 are you by any chance a Kyopo?
    It sounds like you read the anti-japanese crap posted by coreans on this blog and ignore it, while taking any slight critism of corea as a racist attack.

  15. comment number 15 by: Marine1

    Matt,

    I have read the faq before I posted, and it was my mistake for not reading the other blogs on this site, since this blog was the hot topic at hand. I didn’t mean to sound as if I was accusing you of covering anything up, but it did seem you were being biased in one side. If you are not, or that was not your intent, then it’s my mistake. I haven’t had a chance to read kenkanryu yet, but I’ll try to get a copy soon. And I agree that the media distorts everything (but that’s not just limited to Korean media, etc…) So if you don’t mind, would you give more insight as to what it is and what the media distorts, until I can get a copy, Thanks.

    By the way Matt, being fair, is there anything you hate about how Japan is acting towards Korea or how China is acting towards Japan? Just want to know.

    To Takeshima,

    Obviously you didn’t get the point of my message. I was hasty and it was my mistake to prejudge what this site is about. All I had to go is on with Kenkanryu is what the media stated on this topic. So yes, I may have judged prematurely. But tell me, are quotes like stating that the occupation of Korea and other nations during WWII was legit and there is nothing wrong with it, something that is ok? Isn’t that like saying it was ok for Americans to colonize the Native American lands to modernize them?

    I don’t agree with what Korea does and I find them to be racist as well (actually both Koreans and Japanese toward foreigners). And here is the funny part….yes I am Korean ONLY by background which is not the same as a native Korean. I am American. To tell you the truth in general, I hate Korea and want nothing to do with them. I hate their stubborness, their mentality, their treatment of foreigners (including myself) ,etc. Such hypocrites, if you ask me. Always treating gyopo badly until one becomes a name…then it’s “hey you are one of us now.” No thanks. I turn my back on that nation. (See my similar post also in Jeff in Korea blog.)

    Anyway, never did I state that I support Korea fully while taking in all the Korea-hype anti-Japan crap. Actually, I only read the comments on this blog, which SEMMED anti-Korean.

    Feel free to criticize Korea all you want, I don’t find it racist at all. But I hope that you make the distinction that there is a difference between natives and gyopo, though some gyopo actually act like natives…which is a shame. That’s why I got stationed in Japan to “get the other side” after being beaten left and right with Korean propaganda. But now, I’m facing the “other side of propaganda.” Maybe I should go get stationed back in Germany. Sheesh.

    I didn’t bother to read the so called anti-Japanese response by Koreans, as I myself am not anti-Japanese. Actually I am married to a beautiful Japanese lady, and living in Japan 🙂 (There is no problem between our families, since we don’t give into media crap about playing the blame game….both Korea and Japan.)

    I only saw this blog, and felt necessary to comment regarding how one-sided biasm, regardless of what it is, always leads to more trouble. That’s why I gave the example of Mein Kampf. If Kenkanryu is to be just a joke and political editorial, then fine….native Koreans and some ignorant gyopo are at fault for overreacting. But if it is meant as a propaganda tool, and if it indeed does what the media states, making false claims about history, etc…then it is no different than Mein Kampf to cause hatred in Japanese who feel no ill will towards its Asian neighbors. War crimes are crimes against humanity, and if defending such is ok, then yes it is like defending slavery or the Holocaust. BTW, seeing those flash sites promoting Japanese imperialsm or “Dai Nihon” didn’t help matters either.

    I’ve been deployed to Iraq during the early stages of the war. I’ve seen horrors that I cannot even begin to describe. Hatred, racism, regardless of where it comes from is wrong.

    The way I see things is that Koreans need to learn to be more forgiving and less bull-headed creating propaganda in their direction, and learn to move on. The Japanese on the other hand need to accept their past mistakes and hold true to their apologies. That is, they should put their words into action, not create more propaganda in their direction. Germany apologized to Israel for the Nazi regime, but you don’t see Germans trying to downplay history or falsify records do you?

    Nationalism for anyone of any nation, can be the downfall of any real rational thinking. Anyway that is my two cents. Also Takeshima, are you Japanese or a Nissei, Sansei, etc? If not, why the strong defense of Japan?

  16. comment number 16 by: Marine1

    Matt,

    Never mind, I found the link to your review of Kenkanryu. But of course, I’ll have to read it to judge for myself.

  17. comment number 17 by: ponta

    Marrine1
    I think I agree with you for the most part,but I have some questions.

    I’m facing the “other side of propaganda

    what propaganda are you tallking about? this comic book?

    The Japanese on the other hand need to accept their past mistakes and hold true to their apologies. That is, they should put their words into action, not create more propaganda in their direction.

    Can you be more specific?

    Germany apologized to Israel for the Nazi regime, but you don’t see Germans trying to downplay history or falsify records do you?

    Is Japan trying to downplay history or flasify records?

  18. comment number 18 by: Marine1

    Hi Ponta,

    The other side of propaganda is not just the manga but all things that Koreans and Japanese are fighting over like issues concerning WWII war crimes, the Rape of Nanjing, Comfort Women, etc.

    What I meant about putting words to action is to really apologize. If someone is remorseful, then there would be no need to stir up more trouble over past issues. But if Japan really apologized, why is it that the textbook controversy arose? It was protested not only by Korea, but China, the Philippines and other countries under Japanese rule at the time. The textbook issue downplayed the war crimes. Also the whole idea of separation of relgion and state, PM Koizumi keeps insisting on visiting Yasukuni, which not only honors the Japanese military of the past, but also war criminals.

    Japan has been known to downplay its attrocities like the textbook issue, and publish works and creating false history and archeological records. This is probably more prominent in the Rape of Nanjing, which some in Japan have tried to prove as false. For example, Asia University Professor Shudo Higashinakan as in the story below (lower section)

    http://home.kyodo.co.jp/modules/fstStory/index.php?storyid=72273

    Sadly to say it is true, and this is from a media source in Japan. Our family seriously can’t stand this anymore, nor the other stuff that comes from Korea either. Again, nationalsim is to blame for all this, rather than people seeing people as people.

    Germany doesn’t do anything with their textbooks and accepted the shame of the Holocaust. Actually, it is illegal to try to downplay or deny it in historical records over there. So you can see how serious this issue is.

    Of course, as I said before, if Japan does apologize, sincerely in actions and words, then China, Korea, and the other previously occupied nations need to be less stubborn and forgive and move on.

  19. comment number 19 by: Marine1

    Regarding my previous post,

    I am not Anti-japanese, but merely explaining the “other side of propaganda” I’ve experienced to Ponta.

    Thanks.

  20. comment number 20 by: takeshima

    Marine1, … you forget that Coreans and Chines are not Americans. After WW2, USA had a darn good right to hate jappo, but they started to help rebuld Jappo. Did it also help the USA.. well yes it did. Now, would it have helped corea to work with japan after ww2? Yep. But they could not see the advantage of working with Japan and instead chose the easy path of hatred. Would corea have benefitted if they started working with japan right away? cyes. Silly coreans cannot see that. Appologising to coreans and chines gets you nowhere. But japan did it dozens of times. Each time either its not good enough, ignored, forgotten or the latest one by roh is negatded due to japans claim to takeshima… the fact that corea and china are not mature enough to get over it does not mean that japan has not appolgises enough.

    Look at the way coreans still blame the usa for all their problems.
    http://freekorea.blogspot.com/2005/11/minister-of-historical-amnesia.html
    Now as far as ‘text books” … as an “american” why dont you read what the japanese are telling .04% of the middle school kids. By the way that equates to about two school districts in all of japan that MAY use the books. Remeber they are for 12 year old children. In corea, they show fake pictures and wax simulations of japanese raping and murdering coreans to children.

    do you have any idea what corean kids get as far as brainwashing? or chinese? even a kyopo like yourself must have some basic knowledge that chinese dont get the truth in textbooks.

    matt I think has provided the english link to the bad bad text book..

  21. comment number 21 by: ponta

    Marine1
    Thanks. . I don’t think you are anti-Japanese at all..And I really appreciate your comment.

    But if Japan really apologized, why is it that the textbook controversy arose? It was protested not only by Korea, but China, the Philippines and other countries under Japanese rule at the time. The textbook issue downplayed the war crimes

    Why is it that the textbook controversy arose? really why?
    Here is history textbooks in Japan.
    http://www.je-kaleidoscope.jp/english/index.html.
    (Fusoushya is the text in question)
    The large number of Chinese young people protested on the street against Japanese history textbook, but most of them had never read the textbook in question.
    Korean scholars who have read the textbook criticize the history textbook in question, but they are rebuttled.
    http://www.jkcf.or.jp/history/
    And to make it worse, it is often claimed that the Korean history textbook is much more biased.
    (I have never heard other countries protest Japan’s history textbook in a specific term.I might be just ignorant, in that case let me know)

    I have maintained on this blog that Japan should not be hesitant to admit the wrongs she did in the past.At the same time, I have claimed that it is wrong to say what did not happened happened.
    As I showed in other comment section, there are really cotroversy over what really happened in Nanjin.
    http://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/articles/Askew.html
    It is Japanese historians who debates this incident most.
    The opponents of Nanjin massacre like Higashinakano is claiming there was no massacre defined as ” the unlawful, premediated, methodical killing of large numbers of innocent people such as happened in the holocaust by Nazi”.
    Some proponent of Najin massacre include the soldiers who are killed in the battle as the victims in and outside of Nanjin city as the victims of the massacres.
    And it seems Chinese scholars just “decide” dogmatically that there are more than 3000000 victims.
    Here I don’t want to go into the details,but the point is that it seems there is nothing wrong with debating over what really happened in Nanjin as far as they discuss besed on the objective evidences and rational reasoning in a free atomosphere, but something is wrong with limiting the freedom of speech as in China. I’ll quote again.

    The most valuable Chinese language materials are the collections of various primary sources, including the recollections of many of the Chinese military personnel in Nanjing.[9] However, these collections show no evidence of any vigorous critical attempt to distinguish between valid and legitimate primary materials and other materials; photographs, for instance, which are known to be fabricated, or from different areas and different times, continue to be used to ‘prove’ Japanese guilt in the winter of 1937-38 in and around Nanjing.[10] Moreover, because of the limitations on free speech in mainland China, much of the secondary material merely parrots the government line of the day

    Do you think Japan should accept whatever Chinese says about history because they were victims of the war?
    In my view the truth will come out of rational dialogue.
    Besides, academic freedom is guaranteed in the article 23 of our constituiton.
    All this does not mean that Japan does not admit that she victimized Chinese people, Japan did.That is why PMs have apologized to China.

    As to yasukuni, I made it clear, also on this blog, that I for one am against PM visiting shrine out of concern for the violation of the principle of the separation of the state and religion.but I do not like China and Korean government to interfere PM’s visit to Yauskuni.
    People visit Yasukuni for various reasons whatever yasukuni shrine might say about history.PMs have made it clear that they visit Yasukuni to uphold Japan’s pledge not to engage in a war in front of the souls of all the war deads.:they are not worshiping the crimes..
    South Korea keeps helping North Korea, the terrorist country, it does not mean that South Korea is helping the activity of the terrorists.
    And Japan has never voiced against South Korean helping North Korea because Japanese PMs understand the President’s intention.
    I believe that the issue of yasukuni is basically domestic issue.

    Japan has never engaged in the war since WW2.
    Japan has tries hard to protect human rights (although it is not good enough in some fields).
    Japan apologized many times..
    Japan helped China and Korea economically..
    Does that mean not putting the words into action?
    Japanese PMs have not kneeled down like Germans, maybe is that what people mean by translating the words into actions?
    People tend to think that German did enough,If my memory is correct,she apologize to the victims of Holocaust.but she has not apologized for the invasion to Poland, She paid reparation to the individual victims of holocaust but she does not pay reparation to the victim nations.
    And I’ve rarely heard that European countries apologized and conpensated for colonizing.

    That being said, I don’t mean that there is nothing wrong with Japan
    If you are living in Japan, you might sometimes feel unconfortable because you are a foreigner.
    Feel free to criticize Japanese society. That will enrich Japanese society.And sooner or later, Japanese society will embrace a large number of foreigners, so we need new perspectives now.
    That does not mean that Japanese accept whatever foregners says;I hope they will examine the claims democratically.and I think they will reject unreasonable demands.

    I understand your concern about the propaganda in Japan,but I am optimisitc: as far as the freedom of speech is guranteed in Japan, I don’t think there is a problem. Actually there are a lot of discussions over the truth of this comic, by books and on the net in Japan.My concern is rather about the countries which try to converge people’s opinions to the one direction either by direct force or by unreasonable social pressure.
    Feel free to criticize.
    Thanks..

  22. comment number 22 by: takeshima

    Ponta… very good… but coreans are not able to be rational. You will never convince one corean… not one.. never.. ever.. as soon as you ‘prove’ everthing.. even if GOD himself said it.. coreans would suddely forget and start all over again.. look on this blog.. slickvic.. noodles.. katz… the many others who post on multiple names.. etc.. its hopless..

    I try to teach one person.. each day.. the truth of corea. If they are American or Japanse.. i teach thm that corea hates them.. Kyopo or zainichi are back stabbers.. again… look at noodles/nulji or kyopos like nora park..

    I dont claim that coreans deserve to be hurt or treated badly.. i just point out the facts of corean behavior and their own words..

  23. comment number 23 by: ponta

    Takeshima
    Thanks. You might know about Koreans and ethinic Korean much better than me. I have never met kypo outside the net but it seems there are reasonable kyopo.By “reasonable” kypo I don’t mean they agree with me, but they are ready to give evidences and arguments. Yes, there are some people who just shout out,but I keep it a rule to ignore them, because you can not refute them with evidences and reasonings against them..

    JH said, for instance,

    JH Said:

    November 21, 2005 at 12:48 pm

    “It’s not an exaggeration to say that Japan built the South Korea of today!”

    I have always believed this to be true. If it was not for Japanese colonialism, Korea wouldn’t be what it is today.If it wasn’t for Japan’s efforts, Korea would’ve been a Chinese vassal or Russian colony.

    I agree with him. He does not mean that Japanese colonization was paradise, but he seems to know that Korea in those days were corrupt like North Korean at present, and some patriots called Japan for help to reconstruct the Korean society. there is nothing to be ashamed of and you can be proud of their intellingence.
    It seems all JH saying is to stop talking only about the past as many Koreans are doing but let’s move on.

    Marine 1 said, for instance,

    What I meant about putting words to action is to really apologize. If someone is remorseful, then there would be no need to stir up more trouble over past issues

    He might neve have thought that it is China and Korea who are stirring up unnecessarily
    Or I mihgt be mistaken: Japan Is stirring up more trouble..

    Japan has been known to downplay its attrocities like the textbook issue, and publish works and creating false history and archeological records. This is probably more prominent in the Rape of Nanjing, which some in Japan have tried to prove as false.

    I am not sure how much he knows about textbooks and the educational system of Japan.If he knew, and still he think Japanse whitewash the history, I want him to be more specific. I showed him the link.
    I am not sure how much he knows about Japanese law and about how much freedom of speech is protected. If he knew, and still, he think that Japan should prohibit the books that disagree wtih what China says from publishing, I want him to give me the convincing reasons.
    I am not sure if he know Japanese are ashemed of the professors who fabricated the archeological records.Japanese archeologists are furious about him.
    Of course I might be mistaken myself, in that case, I expect him to give reasons for that. I hope he get the copy of the comic soon and tell us what he thought about it.

    i tend to believe that readers are smart. People who reads the argument dicide which side is right. If people keep responding only emotionally, then they will be isolated.This is how I think about the matter.

    Thanks for your adivice anway..

  24. comment number 24 by: Mika

    But if Japan really apologized, why is it that the textbook controversy arose? It was protested not only by Korea, but China, the Philippines and other countries under Japanese rule at the time. The textbook issue downplayed the war crimes.

    Misinformation by Chinese and Korean media is often responsible for a mass hysteria concerning Japan. Have you actually read Japanese textbooks? They are written by private companies, and whether or not you agree with the contents of the book in question, people in Japan are free to discuss and dissent with the contents of the book because Japan is a democracy. A free country. How can a country like China that is a dictatorship with a history of brutal repression and human-rights abuse taking place NOW, have the hypocrisy to criticize the actions of a present-day democracy. Read what other Asian country say about this issue. http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2005/apr/21/yehey/opinion/20050421opi1.html

  25. comment number 25 by: Marine1

    In reply to Takeshima:
    >>Marine1, … you forget that Coreans and Chines are not Americans. After WW2, USA had a darn good right to hate jappo, but they started to help rebuld Jappo. Did it also help the USA.. well yes it did. Now, would it have helped corea to work with japan after ww2? Yep. But they could not see the advantage of working with Japan and instead chose the easy path of hatred. Would corea have benefitted if they started working with japan right away? cyes. Silly coreans cannot see that. Appologising to coreans and chines gets you nowhere. But japan did it dozens of times. Each time either its not good enough, ignored, forgotten or the latest one by roh is negatded due to japans claim to takeshima… the fact that corea and china are not mature enough to get over it does not mean that japan has not appolgises enough.>Look at the way coreans still blame the usa for all their problems.
    http://freekorea.blogspot.com/2005/11/minister-of-historical-amnesia.html>Now as far as ‘text books” … as an “american” why dont you read what the japanese are telling .04% of the middle school kids. By the way that equates to about two school districts in all of japan that MAY use the books. Remeber they are for 12 year old children. In corea, they show fake pictures and wax simulations of japanese raping and murdering coreans to children.>do you have any idea what corean kids get as far as brainwashing? or chinese? even a kyopo like yourself must have some basic knowledge that chinese dont get the truth in textbooks.
    matt I think has provided the english link to the bad bad text book.>Ponta… very good… but coreans are not able to be rational. You will never convince one corean… not one.. never.. ever.. as soon as you ‘prove’ everthing.. even if GOD himself said it.. coreans would suddely forget and start all over again..>I try to teach one person.. each day.. the truth of corea.>If they are American or Japanse.. i teach thm that corea hates them.. Kyopo or zainichi are back stabbers.. again… look at noodles/nulji or kyopos like nora park..>I dont claim that coreans deserve to be hurt or treated badly.. i just point out the facts of corean behavior and their own words..

  26. comment number 26 by: Marine1

    In reply to Takeshima:

    Well, you are half right. Native Chinese and Koreans are not Americans, but those born, grew up, and raised in the US, such as second generation, third, etc are, just like nissei, sansei, etc. But as I said before, those who are American who tend to cling to nationalism toward their “blood and ethnic” country just don’t get it. Already, you seem to imply that I am not American either. How am I so different? I am no different than any Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, Native American, etc. The color of your skin does NOT make you an American. And if you cannot realize this, then you are no better than the Koreans and Japanese that I ran into. I also said that I don’t have any nationalistic views that are bias for Korea whatsoever, and I already said I hate it for the most part.

    Going to the issue of WWII, sure we Americans had every right to hate the Japanese. Don’t forget, Japan committed war crimes not only against the occupied nations in Asia, but also our POWs and those of other Allied Nations. Do you need a history lesson in this? But yes, we forgave and rebuilt Japan. On the other hand, you neglect the fact of time span, and mentality. The US was NEVER occupied by Japan, and of course we won the war. So it was easy for the US to forgive and help rebuild. However, Korea was a territory for 35 years under Japanese rule; Manchuria since 1931, China since 1933, the Philippines since 1941. Your argument holds no water. You think it’s so easy for Korea, China, the Philippines, to turn around and say, “Hey let’s accept help from those who persecuted us for years, forced us to learn their way of life, language, etc, and tried to eliminate our culture and people?” That’s like for Native Americans to quickly become amicable with the US, during the Expansionist Era, right after the US raped, stole, and slaughtered their people and homeland. Want to read sources the DON’T come from Korea, China, Japan, the Philippines? Try the WWII database, it even lists a bibliography of OUTSIDE sources: http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/warcrimes.htm
    http://history.acusd.edu/gen/st/~ehimchak/death_march.html

    People who have been occupied and people who win the war will have a very different mindset. Let us also not forget that Japan did get off much easier than Germany for their war crimes. Of the 80 Class A war criminals, only 28 were brought to trial; compare that to 1800 for Germany. If the US had lost the war, I highly doubt Japan would have been gracious towards the US, as evidenced in their treatment of US and Allied POWs and civilians. I’ve met with veterans who survived the Bataan Death March, and received first hand accounts of what they went through. So don’t go saying that I learned all this from A Filipino/China/Korea biased source or such. If you want more info on this: http://history.acusd.edu/gen/st/~ehimchak/death_march.html

    Oh, and I suppose Japan has never blamed the US for their problems or have been anti-American in anyway, right? How about how about all the protests and anti-American slogans during the beginning of the Iraq War, which I did experience firsthand in Okinawa? What about all the constant complaints we have from native Japanese about the “Americans and their noise, crimes, etc” from the bases? How about the whole stink that started when a few bad Marines raped a 12 year old girl in Okinawa years back (I was in Okinawa at that time, and personally felt the animosity-I had garbage thrown at me from several natives and civilians when I was walking around in uniform during my lunch break one day.)

    Firstly, are you claiming I’m not American? What’s with the quotes? Secondly, yes, I’ve known that the textbooks were distributed to a small population, and aren’t even widely used. And while I haven’t read the textbooks, the issue is WHY do these textbook controversies exist in the first place? Oh, do you have proof that these pictures were faked? Are you saying that the wax simulations which depict rape and murder never happened? So I guess the whole comfort women issue, known as jugun ianfu, never happened and people weren’t murdered. By golly then, I wonder what all these supposed comfort women in VARIOUS counties are complaining about? I wonder why so many mass graves were found by the US in the region after WWII. Maybe the Koreans, Chinese, and everyone else must have raped their own and killed each other! Yup, photographs must have been faked that since there are only hundreds and hundreds out there. Everybody had great technology and a copy of Adobe Photoshop then; (not to mention to debunk a faked photo, all you need to do is carbon date or research it by other means.) If you prescribe to this, then perhaps the Jews lied and faked the Holocaust too, right?

    Brainwashing is also reading from biased sources. On this specific topic, it includes practically everything from Korea, Japan, and China. That’s why I stay away from such and read from sources in the US, Europe or elsewhere outside the Asia region. (The kenkanryu article was posted in the NY times, an American Newspaper, by a Japanese left wing-ist.)

    Anyway, I’m not liking your tone here. “Even as a gypo?” What’s that supposed to mean? Actually I hate the word. I’m American, plain and simple, and don’t need to be reduced to some stupid Korean ideology. I have nothing to do with that country other than background, and don’t want any part of it.
    Now about brainwashing: I suppose this doesn’t happen in Japan, right. I’m sure that children of Japan get a real non-bias view of history. As you even stated yourself above, the textbook was made for 12 year old children. Why? Sounds like an early start at whitewashing history and brainwashing. Also, from my wife and her family, they stated that they never learned much details when they were back in high school and college about Japan war crimes; it wasn’t until they found books from unbiased sources OUTSIDE Japan, Korea, China, that they began to find details of what happened. Also, let me point out that in the US, I learned about the atrocities of slavery, the extermination of Native Americans, etc when I was 8 in third grade. We don’t downplay any history here in the US, and ANY scandal or racist act is put out wide open for the world to see.
    I can’t say the same about Japan, Korea, or China.
    >>Ponta… very good… but coreans are not able to be rational. You will never convince one corean… not one.. never.. ever.. as soon as you ‘prove’ everthing.. even if GOD himself said it.. coreans would suddely forget and start all over again..

  27. comment number 27 by: Marine1

    Here is the second part, sorry it wouldn’t let me post the entire thing.

    Ok, now I see your generalizing. All Koreans can’t be rational, but all Japanese can? And again if you are including all Koreans only by background also in your claim, then you’ve lost all credibility. Never convince one Korean, right? How about Kim Wan Sop(金完燮) and his book, “In Defense of the New Pro-Japanese?” and Prof. Hanh Sung-Joe, who undertook fire from Korea for praising the colonization? I’m sure that these Koreans didn’t have a different idea at all.
    So, who are YOU to be the expert, the REAL truth teacher on Korea. So you know everything then, right about how even gyopo are ignored in Korea and such. Firstly, Korea is spelled with a ‘K’ no a ‘C’ By doing just that, you do know that you are actually agreeing and helping Koreans who have that idiotic mindset saying “Japan changed the spelling from “Corea” to “Korea” so ‘J’ come before ‘K’, right? (Yes, I know in other languages such as French and Spanish it is “Corea” but we are using English here: it should be “Korea.”) You know, from just that, maybe you are really a Korean who wants to cause more hatred and flamers to come to this site.
    Obviously by missing so many points, and stating that ALL Koreans don’t see the Japanese side (clearly you were proven wrong) it shows you know nothing about Korea, China, the US, or any form of unbiased history. You obviously teach YOUR biased opinionated views, rather than do some academic research and such.
    If you haven’t already lost credibility in the previous section, you sure did now. You are quoting examples from classless Korean bloggers and their comments? You are using their words to represent ALL Koreans or Koreans by background only? Boy, are you really reaching now. And ALL gyopo (I hate that word) zainichi are backstabbers, huh? Oh, so that’s why I serve in the US MILITARY, took an oath to fight any nation against it. And yes, I would be willing to fight against Korea, Japan, or China, if any of these nations got into a war with the US….not likely though.
    Boy, you could’ve fooled me, with your hostile tone. And since when are opinions facts? Well, let me ask you again, since you never answered. Are you Japanese or of Japanese background? If not, then why do you have such a strong bias for Japan? Are you some fanboy otaku who believe Japan can do no wrong (I’ve come across many of those in the US, Europe, and yes even Korea…) If you are, then I pity you, as anime, games, and pop culture clearly blind you from having a rational discussion.
    Oh, and let me point out, you are no different than the ignorant Korean bloggers whom you so seem to hate. The manner, in which you post, with generalizations, and having such hostility, puts you on the same level as they.

  28. comment number 28 by: Marine1

    Ponta,

    Thanks for your response and post. It is great to have a real discussion with a classy individual, unlike some people here.

    What I was talking about with whitewashing history and such didn’t come from merely the textbook issue. It came from testimonies from my wife, family, etc who told me they haven’t been taught the brutaility of things, such as the Bataan Death March, when they were in High school and beyond. Only after they’ve discovered books from outside sources (meaning outside Asia) did they learn about such issues.

    Another example is here right on this very forum. Takeshima claims that Koreans and Chinese faked the photos of comfort women, rape, and murder, which in fact did happen. I might have misunderstood, but it seems to imply that he believes these things did not happen. That is what I am talking about with downplaying history and such.

    Anyway, about your Europe issue, Westerners aren’t really taught too much in the school system about what happened in the Pacific, we need to do research ourselves from non-biased sources. The whole focus of WWII lies with Germany, the Nazi Regime, etc. The Nuremberg Trials were covered immensely, which is different than the Tokyo trials. 1800 or more were convicted and executed in Nuremberg, which is perhaps why people feel Germany got what they deserved and apologized for its actions. As stated earlier, it is illegal for any censoring of Holocaust history.

    The same cannot be said about the whole Pacific Issue. The events that happened there were attoricites, regardless of number and such. People may debate on the actual events, the numbers, reasons, etc, but no one can deny that these happened one way or another. The truth of the matter is war crimes are war crimes, and people suffered.
    To deny that, is simply wrong.

    Now as with the whole Nanjing thing, I don’t believe that the everyone should listen to just China, as that is completely biased. Japan of course should speak out against biased issues. But again, you have nationlism and more biasm becoming a factor, so a real truce or agreement can’t be reached.

    I know and have always known, that there are Japanese who do hate the nationalistic political views of the right wing, and like the professors who fabricate archeological finds and such (my wife and in-law family being among them.) I even have Japanese friends who work for the issue of correcting human rights, including the comfort women issue. So I don’t hold generalizations, and if anything seemed that way, I apologize.

    So in turn, I believe that bias textbooks, be it from China, Korea or Japan, or whatever, shouldn’t be used. And yes, Japan does have the right to correct China and Korea’s biased views. But of course, everyone will be bias for their own country to a certain degree and I believe the only way to come up with a real textbook would be for countries to meet (including outside countries for the sake of non-bias views) and publish a universal account. But of course that won’t happen, so I try to read from sources on the issue from the US, or Europe, which tend not to show bias for or against the nations we speak of.

    And you were correct in what I meant. All the nations involved are letting their nationalistic pride cause more problems with one another. That’s why I said it before, nationalism will be the downfall of rational and just thought.

    Thanks again Ponta.

  29. comment number 29 by: Marine1

    Misinformation by Chinese and Korean media is often responsible for a mass hysteria concerning Japan. Have you actually read Japanese textbooks? They are written by private companies, and whether or not you agree with the contents of the book in question, people in Japan are free to discuss and dissent with the contents of the book because Japan is a democracy. A free country. How can a country like China that is a dictatorship with a history of brutal repression and human-rights abuse taking place NOW, have the hypocrisy to criticize the actions of a present-day democracy. Read what other Asian country say about this issue

    Mika,

    Thanks for your input. But if you are talking about media and such, shouldn’t you not reference more media, especially on an opinion/editorial section? It’s better to find unbiased sources, but I do see your point, though. I don’t agree that everyone should listen to China. And yes, it is hypocritcal for China to accuse Japan of such actions when they now do the same.

    I know the circumstances surrounding the textbooks, it’s little numbers in distribution, etc. As I said before, all nations have faults, and to for nationalism to cover up these faults is a terrible thing. That’s the whole point of what I’m saying.

    Thanks again.

  30. comment number 30 by: Mika

    The same cannot be said about the whole Pacific Issue. The events that happened there were attoricites, regardless of number and such. People may debate on the actual events, the numbers, reasons, etc, but no one can deny that these happened one way or another. The truth of the matter is war crimes are war crimes, and people suffered. To deny that, is simply wrong.

    It needs to be stated that one can question the facts and statistics surrounding a case, without being charged with denying the incident took place. I think professor Yang made an important point at his UC Berkeley presentation: “Faithfully accounting for every bit of historical detail is no easy task, especially if the historian happens to believe that the truth of an event is bigger than the sum of its parts. For instance, a Chinese may feel perfectly justified in using a photograph of an execution scene in Northern China or victims of Japanese aerial bombings in Chongqing as evidence of the Nanjing Massacre in exhibitions, since the message about the brutality of Japanese aggression seems to be the same. However, such a practice brings about the danger of misinterpreting actual historical evidence…Abandoning a strict empirical standard has grave consequences. Consequently, many historians have come to realize that although historical objectivity may be elusive, negligence of details can only undermine the effectiveness of their moral cause, however justified it may be.”

  31. comment number 31 by: ponta

    Marine1
    Thanks

    i don’t want to be involved in the dispute between you and takshima, I just note I wrote somewhere on this blog that the fact that some people of a specific group act in a specifi way does not mean that all the people acts in the same way.

    Now about brainwashing: I suppose this doesn’t happen in Japan, right. I’m sure that children of Japan get a real non-bias view of history. As you even stated yourself above, the textbook was made for 12 year old children. Why? Sounds like an early start at whitewashing history and brainwashing. Also, from my wife and her family, they stated that they never learned much details when they were back in high school and college about Japan war crimes; it wasn’t until they found books from unbiased sources OUTSIDE Japan, Korea, China, that they began to find details of what happened. Also, let me point out that in the US, I learned about the atrocities of slavery, the extermination of Native Americans, etc when I was 8 in third grade. We don’t downplay any history here in the US, and ANY scandal or racist act is put out wide open for the world to see.

    This is an excerpt from American history textbook.

    “Presindent Truman knew that the Japanese were trained to fight to the death. he believe that Japan could be invade only at a huge cost in American lives.So in oreder to force the Jeapanese to surrender, Truman odered the dropping of two atomic bombs in Japan.
    Even after the bombing of Hiroshima Truman govenment reject American demands for surrender.Three days later a second atomic bomb was dropped.”

    This is probably what many Americans believe, bus a historian disagree.

    “We probably could have ended the war sooner with fewer deaths on all sides by using the full carrot and stick: 1) offer retention of the Emperor for a quick surrender; and 2) threaten Russian invasion and 3) atomic destruction as the alternative. None of these key incentives to surrender were used prior to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima”

    http://www.doug-long.com/summary.htm
    Should American textbooks include this much details?

    Do American history textbooks say about the war time prostitutes?.

    “Unfortunately, the United States — a country that professes equality for all — is one of the biggest perpetrators of this cult of military prostitution”.

    http://www.wm.edu/so/monitor/spring2000/paper6.htm
    Of course you know the firebombing of Tokyo, do Americans textbook explain that?

    A survivor of the U.S. attack, which killed 100,000, started the project to educate younger people

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0310-01.htm

    Do American history textbooks say about POWs?

    “American troops ‘murdered Japanese PoWs’
    By Ben Fenton
    (Filed: 06/08/2005)

    American and Australian soldiers massacred Japanese prisoners of war, according to one of the most detailed studies of memoirs of the Second World War in the Pacific, published this week.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/06/wjap06.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/08/06/ixworld.html

    I don’t want to dig the skelton in your history. The point is why you criticize Japanese history textbook without reading it, and what you find wrong with Japanese history textbooks compared with American history textbooks.

    I wrote the above before I read the your comment to me.

    “So in turn, I believe that bias textbooks, be it from China, Korea or Japan, or whatever, shouldn’t be used.”

    I agree.
    I think anyone has a right to criticize a history textbook of any country.
    But China and Korea is using this issue politically.They so emphasize Japan’s whitewashing history that even you believe, without reading a textbook, that Japanese textbooks witewash the history.You said you heard from your wife. That is important.However,I don’t believe ordinary Americans knows the facts I listed above, (some Americans even think that Japan is a part of China)but that does not mean the US whitewashes the history.
    In my view,the past should not hamper us from constructing a friendly relationship between two countries.You can criticize Japanese textbook in a way that does not fuel nationalism in Korea and China.
    If you are living in Japan, you know that most of Japanese has been indiffernt to Korea. Kenkanryu followed after the Yonsama boom. Once Japanese look into Korea, thanks to Yonsama,, most of us suddenly realised that anti-Japan sentiments are really deep seated in Korea. I think we should understand the Kenkanryu in this context.
    Thanks

  32. comment number 32 by: Victor

    Here is Freakeshima’s latest ranting:

    but coreans are not able to be rational. You will never convince one corean… not one.. never.. ever.. as soon as you ‘prove’ everthing.. even if GOD himself said it.. coreans would suddely forget and start all over again.. look on this blog.. slickvic.. noodles
    .. katz… the many others who post on multiple names.. etc.. its hopless..

    He can bark his heart out and I could care less. But I just don’t know why he keeps mentioning me in his posts…

    It sort of feels like being licked by a mad dog whose breath stinks like hel*.

    Sorry. didn’t mean to sound so nasty..

  33. comment number 33 by: takeshima

    it doesnt sound like you could care less to me… you are following my posts around like a puppy dog. Why mention you in my post? well you lack ration and I was using you as an example of a corean that thinks with his coreanness aka the corean borg and not his mind.

  34. comment number 34 by: Victor

    Frekeshima,
    Quite frankly, I felt (and still feel) embarrassed to lower myself to respond to your bigoted posts. I do it only because you keep “licking” my username like a bulldog, a mad bulldog which is about to go berserk, that is. That doesn’t mean, however, that I care..You see, nobody would care about a mentally deranged dog as long as the dog stays away from them.

    By the way, Marine 1 asked you a question and you seem unwilling to answer. What is your nationality? I hope you will be honest when you choose to answer this question.

    All the best

  35. comment number 35 by: Victor

    P.S.

    well you lack ration and I was using you as an example of a corean that thinks with his coreanness aka the corean borg and not his mind.

    I would appreicate it if you could elaborate on this and give us some convincing examples. I wonder how on earth I managed to let my “koreaness” get better of me despite the fact Korea is a foreign country to me…

  36. comment number 36 by: Marine1

    Hi Victor,

    Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I try to stay away from this site since there aren’t many who are willing to have an open discussion with an open mind without resorting to insults and biasm. Anyway, I am an American.

    Hope that helps. Thanks.

  37. comment number 37 by: ponta

    Marine1
    I am willing to have an open discussion without restortin insults and baism.
    Since you know Japanese and Koreans, I think you are the right person to argue here.

  38. comment number 38 by: ponta

    Marine 1
    By the way, Victor is a Canadian who has korean background.
    I , a native Japanese,and Victor disagree on many points.(I am afraid) but we are doing well.(I hope).
    So feel free to join,I just want to know how people think of the issues Matt raised on this blog..

  39. comment number 39 by: Marine1

    Hi Ponta,

    Thank you for your comments. As I said, before, you are definitely someone who has an open mind and are a classy poster. I cannot say the same for others who come here and automatically label all people before even reading what they have to day. Seriously, it seems that trolls, who act like Japanophile otaku fanboys (if they are not Japanese), have taken over this site

    Regardling the textbook issue, I finally was able to read excerpts from it, and while it isn’t as bad as the media claims it to be, I still find some things to be a bit true. I applaud the book for stating that Japan forced harsh labor from civilians in the occupied countries and how brutal it was etc. However, I might have missed it, but it seems the comfort women were never mentioned at all. Sure there are stories that can go both ways, and there were people who did willingly prostitiute themselves as well. But there defintiely was rape and and issue with comfort women, and to have missed that would be pretty significant.
    Also, I found nothing on the Bataan Death March, nor how civilians were killed in Pearl Harbor.

    As with the American textbook issue, the slaughter, rape, etc of Native Americans is detailed. You will find in US textbooks about the number of victims suffered, anti-American views and criticism of the way the government acted towards such policies. Slavery of African Americans is also fully detailed, as well as the struggles of the Civil Rights movements, and the struggles of minorities in the US.

    As to the WWII issues, yes, US textbooks describe the bombing of Tokyo, as well as the tragedies of the atomic bombs, giving the number of lives it took, how many were injured, and the sufferings it caused upon people.

    Don’t worry about disagreeing. Just because people disagree on things doens’t mean they aren’t getting along; take marriages for example. People, for the most part, don’t divorce because of difference in opinion. It has a lot more to do with other things, like hostility and biasm, which quite a number of the posters on this site exhibit.

    As for the site itself, I feel it is very biased. I mean, people here trash the Korean media calling it warped, what have you, but often neglect to realize that all media, including Japan’s, distorts truth. Yes, certain media sources (take Fox News in the US for example) are more bias towards one side and distort truth more than others. But to label and entire country as doing so saying there is no truth in any articles seems like a premature judgment.

    Korea needs to be criticized highly, as does my home country, the US, China, Japan, the Philippines, Germany, etc. As I said, I’ve been stationed in many places and it’s never always been a picnic everyday. No country is perfect. But this site seems to only concentrate on Korean criticism, seldomly giving any to China, Japan, or any other nations involved. Just look at all the blogs.

    But of course, since it is his, he can do as he wishes. Presenting only one side of the argument, plus the fact he lives in Japan, swings his bias to one side, though he says he’s interested in both Japan and Korea and isn’t biased, I find all this to be wrong and hypocritical. He’s living in Japan and has very little criticism whatsoever. Has he talked about the anti-American sentiments around the bases in Japan? Nope, only anti-Americanism in Korea. Not even anti-Americanism in China is mentioned for the most part. From the look of it here, it seems like Korea hates the US more than Al-Queda.

    This is the reason why I don’t like to come here. Post one thing critizing Japan, and a lot of people jump all over you here. There is no room for real discussion, other than a few classy individuals like yourself. I respect Jeff in Korea’s blog site, as he actually lives in Korea and complains about it all the time. He doesn’t have Japanophiles trolling his site, and he criticizes not only Korea, but Japan, China, etc too giving more of a balanced non-bias view. I do the same, and love to criticize Korea too, but at the same time criticize my homeland, the US (on leave now for the holidays), Japan (where I’m stationed), China, Philippines, Germany, Russia, etc. No nation is safe.

    Anway, that’s my two cents. Thanks.

  40. comment number 40 by: ponta

    Marine1
    Thanks.
    i am glad you are balanced.
    I said I was willing to talk without bias. but I should correct it.
    I am biased:that is why i want different perspectives

    I am glad you actually read the textbook.
    .

    while it isn’t as bad as the media claims it to be, I still find some things to be a bit true. I applaud the book for stating that Japan forced harsh labor from civilians in the occupied countries and how brutal it was etc. However, I might have missed it, but it seems the comfort women were never mentioned at all.>

    I don’t think the text is as bad as the media claim. I think it is as good as American hitory textbook in that both may have somthing to be revised yet they are overall fair enough for junior highschool students.
    We discussed about issue of the comfort woman already on this blog..
    https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=90#comment-1582
    In my view, Victor did a good job, though we don’t agree on some points.
    The textbook is for 13 years-old students.And students backgrounds vary, from protestatnts to non-religious, from conservative to liberal.So teachers and parents should have a choice whether to teach the issue of war-time prostitutions. In this regards, it is not necessary, in my opinion, to mention confort woman in the text.

    As to the WWII issues, yes, US textbooks describe the bombing of Tokyo, as well as the tragedies of the atomic bombs, giving the number of lives it took, how many were injured, and the sufferings it caused upon people

    I did not know American history text books describe that much.Maybe I should buy it. My exerpt from Amercian history textbook above was for the elementaly school kids.(sorry)
    Then I wonder why no Americans, except philosphers and such, do not discuss Truman as A-crimainal. Not that I want to blame anybody nor that I want to dig skelton in your history but that it is the logical implication of what he has done: he could have acted otherwise than killing innocent civilains but he decided to drop atomic bombs.

    Don’t worry about disagreeing. Just because people disagree on things doens’t mean they aren’t getting along

    Yes, yes. we can agree to disagree. That is very important point.On this point, I agree to agree.

    As for the site itself, I feel it is very biased

    AS to the media, I don’t know how much Korean media is biased. I know any media is biased.Japanese media is said to be such that it does not say anything bad about Korean. Korean media is said to be such that it does not say anything good about Japan.
    I think both trends should be corrected.

    But this site seems to only concentrate on Korean criticism, seldomly giving any to China, Japan, or any other nations involved.

    This is Matt’s site, so as you said, “he can do as he wishes” And Matt explicitly recommends the readers to visit other blogs to know other aspects of Korea. Comment section is open so korean people can refute what matt said.I expect them to do that.I don’t like names calling, but I think the readers are smart:they judge who reasons well. At least that is how I read any kind of blogs,books, or whatever.

    Has he talked about the anti-American sentiments around the bases in Japan? Nope, only anti-Americanism in Korea.

    Yes, in Japan there are anti-Amercian sentiments, especially in Okinawa.But there isn’t any to take note of . I believe majority of Japanese are friendly to Americans, so much so that some Koreans call Japanse Amrericans pet.On the other hand, I have a stong impresson that anti-Japanese sentiments and anti-American sentiments are deep seated in Korean society.We are ally, aren’t we?. Where is Korea going?Somebody showed us yesterday on this blogthis link It seems that many Koreans want to believe fictious history just to hate Japan.That is sad.

    You are free to come or not to come. I will be around here.
    See you for now.
    Thanks.

  41. comment number 41 by: Mika

    As with the American textbook issue, the slaughter, rape, etc of Native Americans is detailed. You will find in US textbooks about the number of victims suffered, anti-American views and criticism of the way the government acted towards such policies. Slavery of African Americans is also fully detailed, as well as the struggles of the Civil Rights movements, and the struggles of minorities in the US.

    The atrocities against Native Americans and African Americans have nothing to do the war. The Japanese government never conducted a systematic and co-ordinated programme of extermination against defined and documented groups. As for the sexual needs by soldiers, this kind of problem has existed for all armies of all countries. The South Korean army had a comfort woman set up during Korean war. When US and Korea fought in the Vietnam War, the same problem surfaced. So my point is that surely the same standard should be applied to discuss this issue.

  42. comment number 42 by: Victor

    Marine 1,
    Welcome to the blog (sorry, a bit belated I guess).

    I greatly enjoyed your posts and your discussion with Ponta..There are so many negative/prejudiced fluffs on this blog. So it was very refreshing to read such insightful and intelligent posts as yours.

    By the way, my question (“what is your nationality?”) was directed to Takeshima. I already knew that you are Korean-American since you mentioned it somewhere. I was a bit disgusted with Takeshima’s “rantings” and the way he bashes other posters (including myself) who disagree with his points of view. I smelled a Korean/or Chinese in disguise so i was curious to find out his nationality.

    Enjoy!