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Korean hookers in Sydney

July 4th, 2005 . by Matt

I have been telling my friends that the number of Korean hookers and brothels in Sydney have been increasing manyfold in the past few months. I know by my power of observation, and by the type of Korean girl that I have been seeing in the city of Sydney (yeah, I recognise an 588 when I see one). My friends have been skeptical about my claims, but I have just come across an article in the Korean Choson Ilbo that confirms what I always thought.

Korean Sex Workers Look for Greener Pastures

Korean sex workers are moving abroad after new anti-prostitution laws made the world’s oldest profession more difficult at home, police say.

They are heading for the U.S., Canada and Australia, but some settle for countries such as Thailand, Vietnam, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan better known for export rather than import of sex workers.

I am pretty sure most of the ones in Sydney are on the working holiday visa. It continues –

Dedicated web groups are awash with advertisements drawing prostitutes abroad. A typical post on one such site boasting no fewer than 1,430 members – cafe.daum.net/zonesogeso – read, “We know that in Korea these days, unemployment, the recession and the Special Law on Prostitution make it hard to earn even half of what you made before. Try a new start in the U.S. W8-10 million a month in a bar, W18-24 million a month in a massage parlor guaranteed. Advances possible. We take care of visas and bad credit.”

Just so you know, 18 million won = AUD$22 000.

Any comments on this one (especially my friends that doubted me!)?


87 Responses to “Korean hookers in Sydney”

  1. comment number 1 by: Victor

    P.S.
    Just for your information, the number of the Chinese that were killed by the japanese outnumbers the current population of Canada…speaking of the holocaust!

  2. comment number 2 by: Victor

    China was at war with Japan, and Korea was not.

    Sorry, i didn’t know this..

  3. comment number 3 by: sh

    Its a pity about your grandfather, but you must admit that he was not an average Korean just trying to live his life. He paid money to the ‘Korean Liberation Army’ to kill Japanese. How on earth do you expect the Japanese police to react?
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    => So you mean such cruelty should be justified because the society was like that?
    If a Palestinian civilian tortured and killed because he send money to liberation army.
    Is it Okay because it’s expected reaction of Israel?
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    Actually, many of my family members were actually fighting the Japanese in WW2, while the majority of Koreans were supporting the Japanese war effort. In all of WW2, Korea was not even bombed, and hardly any Koreans were killed in the war at all. As for Iraq, I am not even going to give that an answer. Talk about comparing apples and oranges.
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    => While the majority of Koreans were supporting the Japanese war effort? What are you talking about? What kind of support do you have for your claim?
    Yes, Korea was not even bombed because Korea was not the country who neither caused war nor suddenly attacked Hawaii.
    (However, I think US shouldn’t have used nuclear weapon. I feel sad for those lost lives or got hurt.)
    That brings me another question. I don’t know why they did not draft Koreans from the earlier stage if they truly accepted Koreans as new Japanese citizen as some people claims. They sent most Koreans to non-combat posts. Some said that’s because they were afraid that Koreans might turn their gun points at Japanese instead. I wonder why Koreans would do that if Japanese did give Koreans all benefits like they claimed to have given. Maybe it’s because of Koreans in general against Japanese colonization? Well, then where are those MAJORITY of Koreans who supported war?

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    My posting:
    Who are you to commenting on these emotional tension that is from still unforgotten history that could be very personal to many Koreans?

    Your Reply:
    These things are personal to Koreans because they are subjected to anti Japanese propaganda all the time. Young people are particularly angry at Japan, due to a mistaken view of history.
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    => I am not talking about an imaginary family with anti-Japanese propaganda out there suffered from unknown suppression of Japanese ruling. I am talking about my family, my hudsband’s, and my friend’s. What mistaken view of history that I may have are you talking about?

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    Time will pass but Koreans will remain angry if they continue to hold on to a distorted view of Japanese/Korean history. The Korean media fakes apologies from Japanese, here and here. Falsely claims that Japanese people defaced Korean monuments. Korean websites presenting photos of Japanese atrocities that never happened. School children are taught to hate Japanese. What I want to know is what you think of that? Was I wrong to write about Korean distortions and hate?
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    => Well said. That yellow journalism should be criticized. However, your argument about ‘hates’ can be valid, but you don’t know which side has distorted view of Japanese/Korean history. That’s why many people are still discussing about it, aren’t they?

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    Japan is a democracy. Even if someone apologizes, some people would disagree. Is that so hard for you to understand?
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    I don’t deny Japan is democracy. Democracy doesn’t mean that you can say whatever you want to say about whomever. Especially if you are politician, you should be more careful, because it’ll be considered a voice of your country in international setting that may ignite inter-group conflict. I am pretty sure that you no longer have any Australian politician says Aborigines and the Torres Strait Islanders are inferior races in official statement like Charles Darwin have said or claims Australia was uninhabited land after Mabo Decision. Is it so hard for you to understand?
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    The Japanese did leave behind a lot of infrastructure and educational benefits in Korea. Its not the fault of the Japanese that some of that infrastructure was destroyed in a civil war between Koreans.
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    => Of course, Korean War is not Japanese fault. But sure it destroyed majority of Korean infrastructure. Right after the Korean War, Korea was one of the poorest countries with very low literacy rate in the world. Now, maybe ranked 10-20 in size of economy with highest literacy rate in the world. Maybe this is shocking news to some people but Korea did it “WITHOUT BECOMING A COLONY OF JAPAN.” So, stop say benefit of colonization was helping Korean development. (Who knows Korean could do much better when Japanese weren’t there?)
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    Koreans were not slaves. The comparison is insulting to people that actually were enslaved.
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    => It’s not my opinion. It’s from Cairo Declaration which has been written by US, Britain, and China.
    They clearly wrote that Korea and its people are suffering under state of slavery of Japan. If you want to complain, do it to Roosebelt, Churchill, or Jiang.

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    I think the apology thing is like a game to Koreans. No apology will ever be enough. Things will probably get better when the Japanese refuse to play the game anymore.
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    => I think Korea kept one position; “do apologize” but Japan seems busy hoping between “apologize” and “apologize, not” If ‘keeping one position’ is a game, what isn’t?

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    If you are talking about ‘The hate Korea wave’, I have already reviewed it, after reading it. Have you read the book? And if you haven’t, why do you feel you are qualified to judge it?
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    => Okay I hold my judgment over the contents of this book until I read it.
    But I was talking about it’s popularity regardlss of the title of the book. In my personal opinion, 嫌韓 (Hate Korea) sounds much too strong. When Korean talks about Japanese negatively, usually 反日(means against Japan)

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    The Yasukuni Shrine is for all the Japanese all dead. A handful of war criminals are also interred in the shrine (I believe it is 13 out of 2,466,000). What I would ask you is what on earth this has to do with Korea? Korea and Japan were not at war, and some Koreans are in Yasukuni Shrine as well. The war criminals also have nothing to do with Korea. What are you talking about? Talk about victimization complex.
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    => Again, It is not an issue that how many buried or interred in the shrine. Korea, China and Taiwan only cares about those 13 who made our countries suffer during the war. Korea was affected by the war. Hundreds and thousands of Koreans were unwillingly drafted and died to be a part of war that ignited by those 13.

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    Koreans were never subjected to systematic persecution like the Jews in Germany. The comparison is ludicrous. Unless a Korean went looking for trouble (like your grandfather), trouble didnt find them.
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    => There were many massacres as Japan already admitted. Not only that aspect, but also the perspective of human cruelty that has exercised during colonial time, I think it is well qualified for comparison.
    To protect your country and your freedom is “going looking of trouble.” I’ll more than happy to fight for it. “We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.” –Marcolm X

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    Because its none of your business. He is going there as a Shinto believer.
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    Go back to my point about politician and why they need to be politically and diplomatically correct.

    Again, He should go believe that Shinto at some thousands of shrine all over the Japan to protect Asian peace.. not Yasukuni.

  4. comment number 4 by: Mika

    Victor,

    II can’t believe that after listening communist China’s propaganda for years, you are still believing their propaganda. CCP has been completely whitewashing their invasion of Tibet, East Turkistan, Vietnam, South Korea, India, Chairman Mao’s atrocities during the Cultural revolution and starvation of millions of Chinese people during the Great Leap Forward, the massacre of Chinese students in Tinanenmen, its support of murderous Pol Pot clique and North Korea’s dictatorship, etc.. So what makes you believe their claim that 35 million people were killed by only the Japanese military? You should not be so easily deceived while you are educated in the free country like Canada.

    Also, the Nazis are condemned mainly because they conducted a systematic and co-ordinated programme of extermination against defined and documented groups and individuals( Jews, Blacks, Homosexuals etc). Their crime has nothing to do with the war or the colonial rule.

  5. comment number 5 by: Victor

    Mika,
    The source for the 35 million deaths was an asian-american newspaper (I provided the link). It was not a chinese newspaper!

  6. comment number 6 by: Victor

    But I guess newspapers are not always correct. So I will look at the data with some reasonable doubt.

  7. comment number 7 by: Mika

    The source for the 35 million deaths was an asian-american newspaper (I provided the link). It was not a chinese newspaper!

    Er..the article you quoted say; “The Chinese government estimates that 35 million people died..” . So it’s clear that your source is toeing the official CCP line.

  8. comment number 8 by: Mika

    Sh,

    Most of Asian and African countries were colonized by Western Countries. So is there any Western country that has apologized and given any compensation for their colonial occupation? As far as I know, they have never done that. And yet no one ask them for anything. Taiwan was ruled by Japan for 50 years, but we can have friendly relationship with Taiwanese people now. Tell me why.
    Can you recognize the fact that your government has manipulated the way people feel by constantly bombarding them with messages of hostility towards Japan? If Koizumi stops visiting the Yasukuni shrine, something else will come up like “hey, some prominent figures of the parliament still go to the Yasukuni”, “Koizumi, you’re not sincere when you apologise, fuck you”. Whatever Japan does, it is never good enough because both Korea and China need someone for their people to focus on instead of their own country’s problems.

  9. comment number 9 by: 猿

    Some choice bits from Sh’s latest rant:

    They sent most Koreans to non-combat posts. Some said that’s because they were afraid that Koreans might turn their gun points at Japanese instead.

    This would be news to the British, Australians, Americans, and others who were tortured by Korean soldiers in Southeast Asia and elsewhere. It might also surprise the victims of Korean kamikaze pilots, many of whose remains lie in Yakazuni Shrine. Of course, many Koreans (like Sh) might take some pride in the actions of these people, since they could be seen as resisting Western colonialism, albeit alongside the Japanese.

    There’s very little evidence that Koreans were anything other than brave and valiant fighters. Are there any documented cases of Korean soldiers turning their gunpoints against the Japanese? And if so, are there enough to show that this was a trend? The answer isn’t too hard to find.

    Yes, Korea was not even bombed because Korea was not the country who neither caused war nor suddenly attacked Hawaii.

    Have you seen the pictures of Koreans cheering at the news that Pearl Harbor had been attacked?

    (However, I think US shouldn’t have used nuclear weapon. I feel sad for those lost lives or got hurt.)

    But the Japanese woul’ve been justified in using it? After all, the Japanese are at least closer genetically to Koreans. And if the Japanese had gotten hold of the bomb first, do you think Korea would now be free?

    Comparing Koreans to Jews under the Third Reich:

    There were many massacres as Japan already admitted. Not only that aspect, but also the perspective of human cruelty that has exercised during colonial time, I think it is well qualified for comparison.

    Were Koreans herded into ghettos? Was the right to work taken away from them? Were they vilified in all Japanese media as an inferior, parasitic race? Were masses of them sent to concentration camps, the only purpose of which was to kill them as efficiently as possible? Did the Japanese make it a public goal to exterminate all Koreans from the face of the earth? Were 6,000,000 of them killed simply for being Korean?

    It shouldn’t be necessary to even ask such questions. The Korean fixation on showing themselves to be history’s greatest victims yields a hideous result.

    In Korea, the myth that there was a great resistance movement is by now set in stone. It will never be overturned. The skeptical can always compare the Korean experience to the Indian one, or any other genuine struggle for independence, and see how the two movements compare.

    I’m sure that many years from now, after all traces of the US-Korea alliance have vanished like clouds, Sh will tell her children (or grandchildren) what a great victory it was when the US finally left, a greater victory even than that against the Japanese. Behind Kim Jeong-il’s sunglasses there’s a twinkle in his eyes…

  10. comment number 10 by: Matt

    So you mean such cruelty should be justified because the society was like that?
    If a Palestinian civilian tortured and killed because he send money to liberation army.
    Is it Okay because it’s expected reaction of Israel?

    First thing is first. There is no commonalities between events in the middle east, and the events that lead to Japan ruling Korea. Like I said, it is unfortunate what happened to your grandfather, but his money was going to pay for the killing of Japanese. There was no other way for the Japanese police to react but to arrest him. Some might even call it 因果應報 (인과응보).

    While the majority of Koreans were supporting the Japanese war effort? What are you talking about? What kind of support do you have for your claim?

    Koreans passively supported the effort by working to produce goods for the Japanese war effort. That is undeniable. Some Koreans volunteered to fight for Japan as well.

    Yes, Korea was not even bombed because Korea was not the country who neither caused war nor suddenly attacked Hawaii.

    Korea wasnt bombed because it wasnt stragetically important to the fighting in the pacific. If it was, be assured, Korea would have been bombed.

    I am not talking about an imaginary family with anti-Japanese propaganda out there suffered from unknown suppression of Japanese ruling. I am talking about my family, my hudsband’s, and my friend’s. What mistaken view of history that I may have are you talking about?

    Koreans with the experiences of your family are an extreme minority. There were so few Korean ‘independence fighters’ that the Korean independence movement has to be considered one of the least succesful such movements in the world. The Japanese were able to rule Korea with ease, and resistance was an extreme exception and not the norm.

    It’s not my opinion. It’s from Cairo Declaration which has been written by US, Britain, and China.
    They clearly wrote that Korea and its people are suffering under state of slavery of Japan. If you want to complain, do it to Roosebelt, Churchill, or Jiang.

    The statement was issued during war time, and I doubt the word ‘enslavement’ was meant to be taken literally.

    I don’t deny Japan is democracy. Democracy doesn’t mean that you can say whatever you want to say about whomever. Especially if you are politician, you should be more careful, because it’ll be considered a voice of your country in international setting that may ignite inter-group conflict. I am pretty sure that you no longer have any Australian politician says Aborigines and the Torres Strait Islanders are inferior races in official statement like Charles Darwin have said or claims Australia was uninhabited land after Mabo Decision. Is it so hard for you to understand?

    Actually, in a democracy I expect that some people should take the opposing view point, because truth can be polished when exposed to counter arguments. As for the ‘Mabo Decision’, there has been plenty of discussion about it, and the meaning of terra nullis. I would ask you the same thing ponta asked – should all the Japanese in Japan apologise all at once? Perhaps politicians that dissented could be executed on TV as well, to satisfy Korean anger? You tell me the solution. What you propose is impossible.

    I think Korea kept one position; “do apologize” but Japan seems busy hoping between “apologize” and “apologize, not” If ‘keeping one position’ is a game, what isn’t?

    I dont think the official Japanese policy on the issue has ever changed. Your problem is with individuals that have disagreed on some aspect of the apologies, and it is their right to do so as free citizens (its Japan, not North Korea).

    But I was talking about it’s popularity regardlss of the title of the book.

    Now you are contradicting yourself. If the book isnt a ‘hate’ book, then what is the problem with it selling 300,000 copies?

    Again, It is not an issue that how many buried or interred in the shrine. Korea, China and Taiwan only cares about those 13 who made our countries suffer during the war. Korea was affected by the war. Hundreds and thousands of Koreans were unwillingly drafted and died to be a part of war that ignited by those 13.

    You are wrong there. Koreans were only drafted starting in december of 1944. Japan lost the war in August of 1945. Japan lost the war before the draftees could be sent off to fight, but your false claim that ‘Hundreds and thousands of Koreans were unwillingly drafted and died’ is common to the false history believed by Koreans. Still some thousands of Koreans did volunteer to fight for the Japanese empire. In 1943, 300,000 Korean men (half of all the men in the 18-22 age group) somehow freely volunteered for military service under the “hated” Japanese (only a small percentage were eligible/accepted, however). This is not surprising at all, since the only government they had known all their lives was the Japanese government.

    You feel angry at the Japanese because you wrongly believe that ‘Hundreds and thousands of Koreans were unwillingly drafted and died’. Dont you think its time to start re-evaluating your opinion, and ask yourself how such a grossly incorrect opinion could be formed?

    There were many massacres as Japan already admitted. Not only that aspect, but also the perspective of human cruelty that has exercised during colonial time, I think it is well qualified for comparison.
    To protect your country and your freedom is “going looking of trouble.” I’ll more than happy to fight for it. “We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.” –Marcolm X

    You are contradicting yourself again. Your grandfather gave money to a group that was trying to kill Japanese. That doesnt sound like non violence.

    Go back to my point about politician and why they need to be politically and diplomatically correct.

    Again, He should go believe that Shinto at some thousands of shrine all over the Japan to protect Asian peace.. not Yasukuni.

    Yasukuni has nothing to do with Korea.

  11. comment number 11 by: ponta

    SH
    It seems you have a lot of things to say about Japan korea relation, I really hope you join the discussion from now on, That will broaden my perspective.
    I feel a little bit guilty if I add another comment on Sh because many have commented already,
    Please feel free to criticize.

    ” So you mean such cruelty should be justified because the society was like that?”

    Did matt say cuelty is justified?
    The US bombing Japanese civilians, when she had alternative, is not justified, but Japanese do not hold grudge against USA. Japanese do not educate young people to hate USA, But Korean do educate to hate Japanese. I talked with a Korean on another forum, and to my surprise, I found out that they have hated Japan for 4 hundreds years since hideyosi attacked Korea.
    In my opinion, that kind of education is—ahhh—-not adequate.

    ” I don’t know why they did not draft Koreans from the earlier stage if they truly accepted Koreans as new Japanese citizen as some people claims.”

    I don’t know either, but this argument cuts both ways, When it comes to the point of Korean being given a choice to use Japanese name, they complain why Japanese treated them as Japanese.

    ” you don’t know which side has distorted view of Japanese/Korean history. That’s why many people are still discussing about it, aren’t they?”

    That’s what Matt is doing here—discussing which side is distorted.Why don’t you join and enlighen us?

    “Especially if you are politician, you should be more careful, because it’ll be considered a voice of your country in international setting that may ignite inter-group conflict. ”

    Politicians should be careful but they have privilage not to be held liable speeches, debates.
    THE CONSTITUTION OF JAPAN Article 51: http://list.room.ne.jp/~lawtext/1946C-English.html
    Nobody can force them to keep silent about what they want to talk, though we can stop Korean a congressman chopping off the finger, protesting takeshima day,in front of shimane assebly house in Japan..
    Just because some politicians have a historical view, it does not mean Japanese government as a whole have such a view.As I said before, the cabinet has been consistent about the hisotrical issue.Do every Japanese have to have an identical view on history?

    “They clearly wrote that Korea and its people are suffering under state of slavery of Japan. If you want to complain, do it to Roosebelt, Churchill, or Jiang”

    Do you call congressman at that time a slave?
    朴 春琴(パク チュングム 박춘금 , an ethnic Korean, was elected twice as a congressman during the colonization period.
    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/(in Japanese only)
    If it is not adequate to call congressman in Japan a slave, then Roosvelt was mistaken.

    ” Korea, China and Taiwan only cares about those 13 who made our countries suffer during the war.”
    I know some Taiwanee visited Yasukuni, and other Taiwanee protested PM visiting Yasukuni.
    I have never heard of Taiwan government protesting Japanese govenment.
    As to whether PM should visit Yasukuni, I wrote before.Besides I sometimes wonder why China and Korea keep misinterpreting the Shrine. They want to interprete it as a symbol of militarism, but for the conciousness of Japanese visiting the shrine, it is the shrine for peace.After all, that is the letters 靖-国=yasu-kuni means:.”peaceful-country” The blame is similar to islam funfamentalist making Britain withdraw Winnie the Pooh
    https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=84

    Victor
    Do you remember Park Chung Hee?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung_Hee
    He was the first Lieutenant of Japanese army
    .And now Korean enacted anti-Japan law.
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200508/200508290017.html
    They released the list of colonial collaborators.
    What does it means? It means, in my impression, they and their family will be ostracized in Korean society.(Somebody, correct me if I am wrong)

  12. comment number 12 by: Victor

    What does it means? It means, in my impression, they and their family will be ostracized in Korean society.(Somebody, correct me if I am wrong)

    I hope not!!

  13. comment number 13 by: Victor

    You guys..you guys did it. Attacks from everywhere and Sh is gone…What a shame. I would have loved to hear more of the korean side of the story.

    And,
    the Chinese letter said:

    In Korea, the myth that there was a great resistance movement is by now set in stone. It will never be overturned. The skeptical can always compare the Korean experience to the Indian one, or any other genuine struggle for independence, and see how the two movements compare.

    Chinese letter… I found something that seems to refute what you are claiming here. During the japanese colonization, koreans demonstrated “one of the most extraordinary examples of passive resistance to foreign domination that the world has ever seen” and it’s called March 1st movement.

    According to reports issued by the Yon-Hap news agency, “…more than 7,500 demonstrators were killed and about 16,000 wounded. Some 47,000 others were arrested by the Japanese police”.

    quoted from march 1st movement

    Sounds like a great resistance movement to me. Were you aware of this movement? Becasue according to you, it sounds like Koreans were pretty much docile Japanese citizens during the colonization period.. What do you think??

    And, Sh! I hope you’ll come back and share more of the Korean points of view on the Japanese colonization. Or do you agree with what Mika, chinese letter, matt and ponta have said?

  14. comment number 14 by: Victor

    In addition…

    The Korean fixation on showing themselves to be history’s greatest victims….

    I am really curious to know why they would want the title of victims. Why would they compare themselves with the Jews under the german persecution? In your opinion, do you think the korean government has some secret agenda behind this “victimization propoganda”??

    I’m not trying to argue with you by the way.. I’m trying to learn more about Korea. Ponta, do you have any ideas??

  15. comment number 15 by: Matt

    You guys..you guys did it. Attacks from everywhere and Sh is gone…What a shame. I would have loved to hear more of the korean side of the story.

    What attacks? People took sh’s points and argued them. I dont think sh will be back because he/she made a huge error about the drafting of Koreans (saying that hundreds of thousands were forced to fight and were killed, when it seems that not even one draftee was killed). Sh is probably to embarrassed to continue.

  16. comment number 16 by: sh

    I had really great time here. My vacation is over now and it’s a pity that I would not be able to spend a lot of time in here.

    Well, instead of answering 4-5 postings for myself, (my writing stamina is just not enough ) I would recommend you to read some interesting readings out there.

    For those who claims Korea was another Japan, please read “Cairo Declaration”-very short- and think why they added special provision saying “enslavement’ of Korea. (not Manchuria, not Formosa, not pacific islands not China while they mention all those countries in the same 1pg declaration). It’s easily translated into (1) Korea was more suppressed by Imperial Japan than other colony (2)I don’t know if I need to classify this as “result of pt.(1)” or “reason for pt (1)”, Korea people in general were against Japanese colonization.

    For those who presented example of Korean politician under colony rule, building schools, business. It’s not something Japanese colonizer invented out of good will. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_independence_movement and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India#History That’s what English did after The First War of Independence in India in 1857. Why do you believe older and more conservative Japanese in 1910 – 1945 were able to built colonial utopia where there was not much discrimination.

    I am pretty sure that “Hate Korea Wave” comic are interesting and enjoyable like other comic books. However, thank to Japanese Imperial Government Disclosure Act of the US, in Dec. 2000. There are some real ‘unbiased’ hard core readings based on the “FACT” became available recently
    http://www.archives.gov/iwg/ – official IWG site. There are some interesting articles.
    Or some light readings in Wikipedia.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women#Historical_documents
    … etc there are many links in ‘related topic’ Try to follow every one of them.
    And there’s one more reading just came to my mind. Since UN human rights committee declare to support Radica Kumaraswami’s UN report. If you have time, read it. One of request was Japanese government to disclose war related documents; Japanese government hasn’t presented them yet. (Personally, I wander why.)

    For Yasukuni Shrine matter, okay, let’s assume it’s really nothing to do with Korea (still nobody in this blog provided me convincing evidence or argument why it’s nothing to do with Korea, so it is just a assumption), but if those 13 Class A War Criminals were the ones who did the documented crimes like in the articles in above link to China, or other human world, that is enough right for any country to say its wrong!

    Thank you for some of new information from this blog. I’ll check back from time to time. Until than, good bye!

  17. comment number 17 by: 猿

    Would it be easier if I used a different handle? How about “Weonsung?” Anyway…

    Victor, I was aware of the March 1st movement. I also agree that it was an example of passive resistance. The people who participated were certainly brave, and their efforts to draw attention to Korea’s plight, in a non-violent way, were entirely commendable. However, the words “resistance” and “movement” don’t really fit. There were demonstrations on March 1, in which Koreans gathered in public spaces and shouted “Mansei!” (Banzai in Japanese) in support of Korean independence. This was the extent of the resistance. It’s hard to call it a movement since there was no planned, ongoing program of action, as in India. Nothing like it happened again during the colonial period.

    It’s hard to find any objective figures about the March 1 demonstrations. Some sources claim several hundreds of thousands of Koreans were killed, while others limit the deaths to under 500. What seems certain though is that there was no real support for it among the majority of the people. If there had been, it seems reasonable to expect more results, or at least a more visible, long-term movement of civil disobediance. Note that I’m not saying why this would be the case.

    There are many examples of “great resistance movements,” as you say. There are the mostly non-violent ones, like the Indian and African American struggles. There are also violent ones, such as the battle of Algiers, the Islamic movement in Iran, various communist movements, and others. Those that had the support of the mass of the people grew and continued. Those that did not withered away. Simply put, if Korea’s resistance movement was truly great, there would be far, far more to show for it.

  18. comment number 18 by: 猿

    Sh

    I had really great time here. My vacation is over now and it’s a pity that I would not be able to spend a lot of time in here.

    Not even one decent argument, not even one coherent train of reasoning.

    Bleah.

    Have yourself a party next time 9/11 comes around, ok Sh?

  19. comment number 19 by: sh

    I dont think sh will be back because he/she made a huge error about the drafting of Koreans (saying that hundreds of thousands were forced to fight and were killed, when it seems that not even one draftee was killed). Sh is probably to embarrassed to continue
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    Well Matt,
    That’s non sense. I did not make HUGE ERROR.
    Koreans were forcefully drafted, as well as Taiwanese

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    During the early 20th century, the Empire of Japan used the forced labour of millions of civilians from conquered countries and prisoners of war, especially during the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Pacific War, on projects such as the Death Railway. Hundreds of thousands of people died as a direct result of the overwork, malnutrition, preventable disease and violence which were commonplace on these projects. (See also: Japanese war crimes.) from wikipedia on labor camps – it’s not included comport women or soldiers head count
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    I don’t know what Japanese scholar newly found as your evidance of history. But until now, ‘Hundreds of thousands of people’ in forced labor is the main stream of view of the most world history scholors. Read books, search the web, sit in the history lecture in any Western schools. As matter of fact, special documentary on that forced labor were repeatedly playing on education channel. Korean victims spoke out, your beloved Taiwan victims spoke out, Chinese victims spoke out too. And…… could you tell me what error did I make again? and which document is your back-up evidance?

  20. comment number 20 by: Mika

    Sh,

    Wikipedia is not actually a credible source because articles there are often edited by “netizens”. Many Koreans were not forcibly drafted. Park Chung Hee and many of the founders of the ROK were officers in the Japanese Imperial army. I don’t understand why Koreans ignore the fact that their own government whitewash history and don’t even recognize the Korean military’s use of comfort women in Korean War.

  21. comment number 21 by: 猿

    You know, I think Koreans have a legitimate claim regarding the sources of information regarding Korea. For years, most information about Korea in the West was derived from Japanese works. Not to mention that Korean history was often relegated to less than a footnote in Asian Studies departments. Now, even if the Japanese works in question were as objective as possible, it would still be galling to have one’s history and culture represented by someone else. I think it’s certain that many of those Japanese sources were less-than-objective.

    I’d think that the Koreans would approach this by representing their history and culture in the most objective possible way, with clear and ample support (not the stuff of Wikipedia articles), so that the truth would be shown as forcefully as possible. A lot of work has been done in this area (mostly in Korean, though). But what we largely get, mostly from popular press, is the tired master-race fantasies, anti-Western diatribes, and constant maintenance to that victim image, which remains so important to so many. Then there’s the NK line, which so many (like Sh) have taken to heart.

    None of this makes Korea look very good to foreigners. Of course, there’s no reason why Koreans should care about what foreigners think. The odd thing is that they seem to care so much.

    I’m just rambling before I go to sleep. Note that this is not intended as a sop to Sh, who’s just another Left-wing bigot. And no, I don’t think all or even most of the Left in SK are bigots. Mostly just the ones who toe the NK line.

  22. comment number 22 by: 猿

    Oh yeah, I also think that Korea has the right to 독도. The idea that I might have something in common with Sh makes me want to vomit.

  23. comment number 23 by: sh

    猿,

    Not even one decent argument, not even one coherent train of reasoning.
    ——————————————–
    hahaha… Look who’s talking now.
    I never thought that I would hear this from YOU.

    From the one who is saying “Have yourself a party next time 9/11 comes around, ok Sh? ” or ” Sh, who’s just another Left-wing bigot. And no, I don’t think all or even most of the Left in SK are bigots. Mostly just the ones who toe the NK line.” who is Jumping into hasty and falseful assumption without ref.and calling names to people, and reacting hatefully to people have opposite view. Why would a human throw a party to another human’s tregedy? What kind of brain structure that you have to think that way?

    Maybe you are upset that I did not reply any of your postings. Go back to your debate class and learn some manners or logics, then I’ll be more than happy to reply your postings without thinking it’s complete wasting of my time.

  24. comment number 24 by: 猿

    Ah, look!

    who is Jumping into hasty and falseful assumption without ref.and calling names to people

    Um, any names? I said that you were a leftwing bigot, which is a classification, not a name (a name would be something like 시발양놈, you know?). Everything I’ve read of yours leads me to that conclusion. Why? Because all the bigots I had contact with in Korea said the same things. And remember, I’m saying this about you, not about Koreans in general.

    and reacting hatefully to people have opposite view.

    Hatefully? I never suggested you or those who think like you should be harmed, or suppressed, or otherwise mistreated. I think your views are poison though, so I responded accordingly.

    Why would a human throw a party to another human’s tregedy?

    I was working at a university in Seoul (around Dongjak-Gu) when 9/11 happened. Students and some professors had parties for days afterward. One could perceive a general feeling of happiness in Korean society as well, though this wasn’t portrayed in the media. Not a single one of my Korean “friends” or associates had one word of sympathy, or even asked if someone I knew might have been hurt or killed. And before you say it was because of my “bad attitude,” consider that I had actually been involved with the Korean Left up to then. At any rate, given what you’ve written already, I have no doubt whatever that your feelings are similar to theirs.

    Not logical? Accusations of illogic are always the easiest to make. It saves you from actually having to confront uncomfortable things.

    The great work of national liberation awaits you, Sh. I wish you all the best.

  25. comment number 25 by: takeshima

    SH is another hopeless brainwashed korean. Vicotor poor boy, is doing his best to brainwash himself.
    Dont worry Vicor, As soon as SH explodes with a rant about how Matt is racist and comes up with some crackpot theroy as to why he must ‘hate’ korea so much. Another SH with exactly the same old arguments will take her place, and then an
    other and another.

  26. comment number 26 by: 猿

    I don’t think that there are lots of “hopeless brainwashed” Koreans. In fact, there’s far more diversity of opinion in Korea than is typically portrayed in Western media, on most blogs, or in the English media in Korea itself. What this means, or course is that Koreans are like any other humans.

    Any country is going to have its share of rednecks, bigots, and other malcontents. In the times I’ve been harassed or insulted in Korea, I’ve never taken it as somehow representative of the culture. A redneck is a redneck, it doesn’t matter which country he or she is from. I do think, though, that parts of the Korean Left are especially pernicious, as segments of the American Right are.

    There’s nothing whatsoever wrong with Victor. He strikes me as decent and open-minded.

  27. comment number 27 by: Victor

    Thanks!!!

  28. comment number 28 by: Sean

    Regarding
    “My question to you is ‘can Koreans be reasoned with?’ Will Koreans ever face the truth of their role in the comfort women system, for example? That Korean women were sold by their parents to Korean pimps who rented them out to Japanese soldiers? In my opinion, no. Koreans just want to make up stories about Japanese soldiers raiding Korean villages and kidnapping Korean women.”

    Where is this “truth” from? Please provide example of documented facts.

  29. comment number 29 by: JK

    This whole thread shows that many Japanese and the people descended from the English convicts just are too stubborn to see their own stubborn racism and closed-mindedness. Ugh,

  30. comment number 30 by: JK

    “This whole thread shows that many Japanese and the people descended from the English convicts just are too stubborn to see their own stubborn racism and closed-mindedness. Ugh”

    Must be in their blood.

  31. comment number 31 by: darintenb

    … Which originally came from Korea… hehe

  32. comment number 32 by: Ell

    I just noticed… but what is JK doing quoting himself????
    How stupid can you get?

  33. comment number 33 by: bb4

    Matt,

    I wholeheartedly agree with your comments and point of view. Having lived in Korea and other parts of Asia for years, I find Korean society to be the most hypocritical, xenophobic and dysfunctional one I have encountered. I have lived in 5 countries, and traveled all over the world for work. Sadly, Korean society is the furthest from being “globalized” or having any genuine self awareness relative to any other developed economy.

    Nevertheless, the one saving grace the country has is the beauty of its women. Like you, I have enjoyed that aspect of Korea the most 😉

  34. comment number 34 by: redlight1986

    -Why is COREA (ouch) being so down sized? I lived in Korea for 8yrs, but it wasnt really bad. If you Korean haters had a bad experience, my bad(i’ll say sorry for them); Everyone is different.’
    -The part that says korean people like to drink, NEWS FLASH(just in):: Everyone drinks!!(I like KEG stands/funnelling).’
    -I dun even know if this topic had to do anything with Japan(playstation3 was “gay”(need more games) “HINT”, xbox was cool. I think we can agree on that)and yeah, we like the song “domo arigato mr. roboto!”-props.
    -And finally, the issue of women, how old are you guys? Women are evil!!!! JK, but really go on dates, u’ll know what i am talking about. Tips to you kids(If you are mad that I called you a kid, please cry me a river):: =grls can be diffrent!, but they are kinda the same (If this is not making sence, you have lotta work to do, alot.)= OK, I was going to write about the grls ND tips, but i am tired. So making it breif= korean grls r cool, japanese grls r nice, SOME(notice I said some!) american grls r easy and loveable, it gets a lot easier if u goto college. Spanish grls r crazy(Do not make them mad, especially by cheating!) If u have more questions, i do take stuff for questions u may have for me, reguarding advice. 1.

  35. comment number 35 by: wiesunja

    When I travel to Korea, I expect to see Korean whores. When I travel to Australia, I expect to see Australian whores. When I travel to Japan, I expect to see Japanese whores. When I travel to America, I expect to see American whores.

    However, when I went to Hong Kong, I saw nothing but Korean whores. When I go to Japan, I see nothing but Korean whores. When I am in Los Angeles, I saw nothing but Korean whores. When I was in Sydney, I saw nothing but Korean whores.

    I wonder why that is…

    Korea’s leading export is not Hyundai cars or Samsung TVs…it is whores.

  36. comment number 36 by: stevelee

    Dear Matt,

    You should stop saying “Korean this, Korean that.” 45 million Koreans cannot possibly have the same trait or character, and it is just plain stupid and racist to make this sort of sweeping and unjust generalization.

    Your comments on Koreans are based on your obervation of a limited number of Koreans, and if you identify all Koreans with the negative characteristics that you describe, you are insulting all the other Koreans who are not.

    The only commonality between the Koreans with the characters that you think they have and those without them is being Korean, and you do not make any distinctions. There is a term to describe this sort of thinking and behavior – racism.

    There are illogical Americans, Australians, Japanese, Brits, etc. I wonder if you would dare to call “Americans” “Australians” “Japanese” or “Brits” illogical based on your limited observations even if your obervations point to that direction.

    Get the point? It is just stupid and “illogical” to say “Koreans this, Koreans that.” As a “logical” Westerner, I am sure that you do not want to look plain stupid and racist by continuing with that sort of unduly generalized, racist comments.

    As someone who likes to make sweeping comments on the characteritics of people, perhaps you know what some white folks say about the blacks in America. Well, one of them has just been elected as the President of the most powerful nation on the planet. No one thinks that he is stupid, lazy, or uneducated. I hope you get the point.

  37. comment number 37 by: Matt

    Stevelee,

    It would be helpful if you gave me some examples. I would be very surprised if I ever suggested that all Koreans think or do this or that. At most I may have suggested that some opinion was widespread (Dokdo, anti-Japan, etc). Observation does not equal racism, in my opinion.