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Koreans – Original?

August 1st, 2005 . by Matt

I have assembled a number of things that originate in Korea, indisputably (like Dokdo). Here they are.

starbucks
Screw you Starbucks, Starpreya is the best!

kittycat kitkat
The origin of Kitkat is Korea! Oops, I mean ‘Kicker’!

prawn
Japanese stole our prawns!

whale
And our whales!

mushrooms
These chocolate mushrooms are grown on Dokdo, which is undisputed Korean territory. From 500 BC. Which is how long Koreans have been producing this product. 2500 years before the Japanese!

ok
Surely Chocopie has to be a Korean original, right? Oh, bunk!

pattern
Yes, I am slow but I am starting to detect a pattern

caramel corn
Nothing better than a pack of caramel corn after a hard days work

bottled
Followed by a Bacchus. The Japanese even copied the number of spurs around the cog wheel exactly. I know this because Dokdo is Korean… Yes…

mychew
Ha! Mychew rymes with Hichew! Take that, Ilbon nom!

hichewhichew2
Forget the watered down Japanese Chu Hi! We have Korean Hi Chu! Made thousands of years ago on Dokdo. Did you know there were people on Dokdo? Yes, the Samguk Sagi tells us that. Common sense tells us that is referring to Ulleungdo, but still…

drink drink2
Seems to be happening to often to be coincidence. Maybe the Japanese are copying Korea again. Like they copied Korean Geisha, which is Korean, as you know

cal cool
Here is a picture of Japanese Calpis and Korean Coolpis. Korean Coolpis was invented by Koreans hundreds of years ago. All records of this were destroyed by Japanese, at the same time they destroyed the records of Korea ever ruling Dokdo. Koreans enjoy drinking Coolpis in the summer. It is very cool, this Coolpis

calpis
Japanese try to say that they introduced Calpis into Korea in 1919. But we dont believe our eyes, do we?

granny
Same granny, different product

puma
You want Puma? Try the original Korean ‘Pama’ instead!

astro boy1 astro boy2
Oh, even Astroboy…

song yuri and morning musume
More coincidences! Even Yuri Song from FINKL is wearing the same thing as the members of Japanese girl group, Morning Musume

morning musume and FINKL
Again!

morning musume and FINKL3
Sure but one group doesnt prove a pattern!

toshinobu pakuri band
This… Proves… Nothing… Kendo, Karate, Cherry Blossoms, Japanese pottery is all Korean bwahahaha

hamasaki
Hahaha, they have been shopping at the same place ^^

glam
Glam is more glamorous than Glay!

Lee Hyori
Same fashion sense!

Lee Hyori2
Wow! Same two again!

Lee Hyori3
They must go shopping together! Or something…

text1
text2
Japanese textbooks distort history and deny the greatness of the Great Korean Race. However, technical books like this tennis book should be ripped off whenever possible

samurai samurai
‘TIME TRAVEL TO THE ROOT OF SAMURAI’? Now Samurai are Korean too? Good grief

The Korean claims are quite staggering, and although there are victims all over the world, they seem to favor ripping off the Japanese. Korean historical claims are extremely shakey, and should be looked at with a critical eye.


76 Responses to “Koreans – Original?”

  1. comment number 1 by: ponta

    in any culture, copying (initially) and integration of outside cultures into existing ones are the norm.

    Sure, Japan admits that China inspired a lot of ideas and technologies into Japanese culture and also admit that Korea helped a lot to transport these ideas and technologies. She does not deny it.
    But why does Korea claim as if those copies mentioned here are originated in Korea?.

  2. comment number 2 by: Two Cents

    This is only my personal opinion, but in China-Korea-Japan relationship, one can’t ignore the factor of 中華思想 (Sinocentrism) and Confucism. Confucism lays down a strict hierachy in terms of teacher-student. (This may take the form of father-son, master-servant, etc.) Once the relationship is established, it cannot be changed. That is why some scholars contend that Confucism may have inhibited the modernization (westernization) of Korea, as people would be forced to follow conservative ways. Sinocentrism views China as the central flower of civilization, and the level of enlightment is assumed to form a concentric circle around China.Considering the magnificence of ancient Chinese culture, I think it natural that the Chinese held this view. Thus, people on the periphery were regarded as barbarians and named as such (東夷、西戎、南蛮、北荻: the east, west, south, and north barbarians). Ironically, those people on the periphery were the ones who were able to develop cultures unique from China as they remained relatively free from the chains of Sinocentricism and danger of physical occupation. In ancient times, Chineseness was regarded as the standard of sophistication. However, today, diversity and uniqueness take precedence, and Korea who was once the No.1 student of Chinese culture stands in an awkward position. Enough of the Sinocentricism and Confucism views remains in the Korean mentality to make it look down upon Japan, making it difficult to accept that better things may exist and be imported (learned) from the “less sophisticated” Japan. That is why I think you come across articles in Korean media saying that all bad habits come from Japan while anytihing successful in Japan must have originated in Korea.

    As for the claim that these copies are originals, I think it’s simply a matter of ignorance. I have seen many Koreans express their embarassment even at places like NAVER about xerox copies of J-pop and some manga characters. Once information gets out, I think such rip-offs will eventually fade from reputable businesses.

  3. comment number 3 by: ponta

    Thanks Two Cents.
    Your pesonal opinon sounds very persuading.
    Do you think Korean people agree with you?

  4. comment number 4 by: Katz

    “By the way, I found this article on tae kwon do quite interesting.
    http://www.bstkd.com/CAPENER.1.HTM
    I know many at 2-channel ridicule Koreans for ripping-off karate, but in any culture, copying (initially) and integration of outside cultures into existing ones are the norm. Karate came from Ryukyu martial arts, which in turn came from China. The problem, I believe, is whether you give proper credit (and in case of modern licensed products, the fee) to the original.”

    As I know Koreans introduced Karate to Okinawa where it originated.

    “Korea is now an economically successful country and receiving more attention, and so more people simply expect her to act accordingly. China can pirate foreign products without getting morally bashed becasue many simply don’t have high expectations for China. Honestly, do you want Korea to remain on that level?”

    No, I’m totally against copying. I wish they had their own originality.

  5. comment number 5 by: Katz

    “Enough of the Sinocentricism and Confucism views remains in the Korean mentality to make it look down upon Japan, making it difficult to accept that better things may exist and be imported (learned) from the “less sophisticated” Japan. That is why I think you come across articles in Korean media saying that all bad habits come from Japan while anytihing successful in Japan must have originated in Korea.”

    I think it has nothing to do with what happen today. And you’re being too theoretical.

    “As for the claim that these copies are originals, I think it’s simply a matter of ignorance. I have seen many Koreans express their embarassment even at places like NAVER about xerox copies of J-pop and some manga characters. Once information gets out, I think such rip-offs will eventually fade from reputable businesses.”

    And at this point you’re speaking by interest.

  6. comment number 6 by: ponta

    As I know Koreans introduced Karate to Okinawa where it originated…..And at this point you’re speaking by interest

    Katz, could you rephrase your points, so that everyone understand you correctly?

  7. comment number 7 by: Two Cents

    Katz,

    I think it has nothing to do with what happen today. And you’re being too theoretical.

    That’s why I said it’s my personal op. Your opinion against mine. But I have read many books by Korean writers who express this view. Also, if you read some journals left by Korean envoys to Japan during the Edo period, you see the same complex attitude towards Japan. I think you would be foolish to ignore the effect of Confucism, as it was its extreme form that was highly valued in Korea before the 20th century. Old habits die hard. Compare Korea’s attitude with Taiwan which experienced colonization under Japan. Because Taiwan has formerly ben regarded as 化外の地 (land beyond enlightment), her mentality is not so deeply affected by Confucist or Sinocentric views towards other Asian nations, including Japan. Thus, it appear to me that their attitude towards Japan does not have the eternal soreness or grudge that Koreans have of having been occupied by a “lesser” nation, and so the pros anc cons of Japan past and present are discussed in a more open manner there, without resulting in any purging of professors from universities.

    And at this point you’re speaking by interest.

    I’m assuming you mean economic benifits when you say “interest.” The reason why I included the phrase “reputable businesses” is because backstreet peddlers will always continue to make rip-offs. You will see some peddlers in Japan selling CHANNEL T-shirts, but that does not mean that the whole of Japanese accept rip-offs. You’d get laughed at for wearing one of those, and it would be ridiculous for some blogger to present that as an example of Japanese backwardness. There are also pirated Vuitton bags going around, but if the owner finds that it is not authentic, chances are, she will not let herself be seen in the public with it. Reputable businesses refraining from making rip-offs are the reflection of such high public morals. Certainly, it will have economic benefits for them since a 2-nd rate image will only hurt their sales. But what is important is that they are acting according to the higher level of business morals expected of them from the public.

  8. comment number 8 by: Two Cents

    As I know Koreans introduced Karate to Okinawa where it originated

    http://www.donga.com/docs/magazine/new_donga/200204/nd2002040010.html
    Shocking Confessions of Tae kwon do’s History by Lee Zong-wu (이종우: I don’t know if I spelled it right)

    Section on “권법 1단에서 태권도 9단으로”
    1st Level in Kempo Equivalent to 9th Level in Tae Kwon Do

    “그곳이 바로 일제시대 유도 도장이었는데, 그때는 조선연무관이라는 간판을 내걸고 유도부와 권법부를 만들었어요. 그때부터 권법부에서 가라테를 배운 거죠. 권법이 바로 일본 가라테거든요. 일본말로 부르면 국민감정도 있고 하니까 권법이라고 부른 겁니다.”
    The place (where I learned martial arts after liberation) was originally a judo gym during the Japanese occupation. It was renamed the Chosun marital arts gym, and two sections were made – the judo section and the kempo (拳法) section. That is where I leaned kempo. Kempo was no other than Japanese karate. But calling it that would go against popular sentiment at the time, so we called it kempo.”

    “당수(唐手)로 쓰는 사람도 있고 공수(空手)라고 쓰는 사람도 있었죠. 당수나 공수를 일본말로 옮기면 가라테가 되거든. 모두 같은 내용인데 도장별로 특색 있게 보이기 위해 권법이다 당수도다 공수도다 그렇게 불렀어요.”
    There were people who referred to the art as Tansu (唐手) and Konsu (空手), but when translated into Japanese, they’re all the same. The contents were the same too, but people tried to make themselves look original by calling themselves by different faction names.

    Section: 최홍희와의 인연과 악연
    Relations Good and Bad with Che Hongfui (崔泓煕??)

    그 뒤 최홍희가 부대에서 여러가지를 조합해 무술을 만들었는데, 그게 모두 일본 거예요. 가라테를 기본으로 만든 거죠. 가라테를 기본으로 하고 명칭만 태권이라고 했으니까, 아예 처음부터 가라테라고 인정한 우리가 더 순수하죠.
    After that (the name tae kwon had been chosen by Che), Che combined many forms of marital arts in the army to create tae kwon, but we were all worked together. Tae kwon do was founded upon karate. The association named its creation Tae kwon while the basics were all from karate. That is why I believe we, who insisted on calling it karate were more pure in our motive.

    Section: 초창기 태권도는 가라테의 변형
    A Derivative of Karate in the Early Stages

    초창기에는 태권도를 해외에 보급하는 과정에서 옛날부터 있었던 한국의 전통무술이라고 하면 명분도 서고 잘 먹혀들었어요. 하지만 아무리 유사성이 있더라도 그것은 사실과 다른 겁니다. 역사적 원류로 본다면 중국 것이 일본으로 들어갔고 일본 것이 한국으로 들어왔다고 해야 설득력이 있죠. 일본 사람들이 중국 무술을 많이 개량해서 과학적으로 만들었어요. 한가지 문제가 뭐냐 하면 일본 사람들은 유연성보다 근육성에 바탕을 두고 운동을 만들었단 말이에요. 그러니까 몸의 움직임이 굳을 수밖에 없죠.
    In the early days when promoting tae kwon do abroad, saying that it was a traditional Korean martial arts attracted more people. However, even if there seems to be some resemblances, that is simply not true. The history that Chinese martial artswas introduced into Japan and then introduced into Korea is far more convincing. The Japanese made many modifications to the Chinese martial arts, and made it into a scientific one. One problem is that the Japanese gave priority to muscular strength than flexibility, that is why the motions are stiffer in karate.

    ―그렇다면 우리 전통무예와의 유사성은 없다는 얘기입니까.
    “언뜻 보기에는 있는 것 같지만, 기본기가 완전히 달라요. 그래서 사실상 유사성이 없다고 봐야 합니다. 택견도 현대에 와서 많이 변질됐어요. 태권도 하던 사람들이 택견을 배우니까 발차기가 태권도 스타일로 나오는 거죠.”
    Interviewer: Does that mean that there are no similarities between our traditional martial arts (and tae kwon do)?
    At a glance, there appears to be similarities. However, the basic forms are totally different. That is why I must conclude that there are none. Tae kyon has been transformed in modern times. People who had previously learned Tae kwon do learn Tae Kyon and end up with a tae kwon do-style kick.

    My conclusion: Since Tae kwon do developed from karate and the basics of tae kwon do seems to lack semblance to traditional Korean martial arts (tae kyon), I don’t see how the introduction of traditional Korean martial arts into Okinawa (though I have yet to see the source for this claim) could have influenced the development of karate.

    Note: I do not read hangul. I translated the article though Excite Korean-to-Japanese translation engine.

  9. comment number 9 by: RGM-79

    Katz Said
    As I know Koreans introduced Karate to Okinawa where it originated

    You just showed how Koreans are ignorant about chinese characters.
    Karate’s kara was written 唐 =Tang (China)
    China is the origin.

  10. comment number 10 by: 00Yo00

    Since you modify many things, I don’t know that’s reliable.

  11. comment number 11 by: Matt

    I am going to have to ask people not to use obscenities or I will delete the obscenity.

  12. comment number 12 by: Two Cents

    00Yo00,
    I’m assuming you’re referring to my post.
    Could you point out where I have modified the Korean text? Some modifications may be due to the fact that some words are added to clarify the excerpt, based on the contents of sentences preceding or following the part in the original Korean article. If you can read Korean, I would appraeciated it if you would read the original article and correct me where I’m wrong. As I confessed, I am not literate in Korean and so have to use a translation engine to read articles in Korean. (Though due to the gramattical similarities between Korean and Japanese, results of translations, especially of newpaper articles, are not all that bad.)

  13. comment number 13 by: Victor

    the J-girls and the K-girls side by side. The same hair style and the same outfits…Now it’s really easy to tell which girls are more attractive (at least in these pictures).
    Go figure..

  14. comment number 14 by: Victor

    P.S.
    Frankly, I don’t care whether these Korean chicks are “copy-cats” or not, as long as they look cute….
    and Korea does seem to be the #1 Asian “babe-land”.

    The proof?
    Korean babes were crowned three times (1969, 1995, 2002) at the prestigious annual miss asia pacific beauty pagent, which takes place in the Philippines. (check out the linked data)

    The best result for China was third in 2005;The best result for Japan was third in 1968; The best result for Hong Kong was second in 1974…

    As for Korea, it has three winners and also placed frequently in the top five and in the semi-finals..Korea is the certified “land of babes” in Asia!

    Going back to the topic, I wonder why these girls are imitating the girls who are not as “hot” as themselves!!

  15. comment number 15 by: takeshima

    International Beauty contests in terms of size and popularty
    Miss Universe Koreans=0 Thai=2 Jap=1 Phil=2
    Miss world Korean winners=0
    Miss Earth Korean winners=0
    Miss International Korean winners=0 Phil 4

    I never heard of Miss Asia Pacific, but I do agree with Vickyopo. Korea has its fair share of good looking women. Too bad so many of them end up as hookers.

    “These establishments are in every village and town and in virtually every neighborhood in every city in South Korea.”
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FI25Dg05.html

    All those whores from a nation that claims all the comfort women were ‘forced’.

    Anyway, for what its worth, the women are the best thing coming out of corea.

  16. comment number 16 by: Victor

    Now that you’re talking about Miss International..that brings me back the memories of the racist hoopla surrounding the Miss International beauty pageant a few years ago..

    here is what happened: In 2000, Korea sent an absolutely gorgeous “babe” to the Miss International pageant that took place in JAPAN. She was such a stunning beauty that everybody predicted that she would become Miss International that year. However, she lost the title to Miss Venezuela who was not as beautiful. Why? Because the gorgeous woman was a korean and all the judges were japanese!!

    A beauty pageant expert from the U.S. wrote an article about it and said that Miss Korea didn’t win the pagent because she was a korean!!!The writer claimed that the Japanese judges didn’t want the Korean woman to win because no japanese women had ever won this pageant. Since no japanese women had ever won this pageant, the japanese judges wouldn’t let a korean woman win this pageant either. (Mind you, the writer of the article was American)

    When I read this article on-line, I was totally shocked!! I mean, do japanese consider koreans as an inferior race? So they wouldn’t allow a korean woman to win the pageant because japanese women have never won it?? What kind of racism is that?? I remember talking to a japanese friend about it. And my japanese friend also agreed that the japanese people would feel uncomfortable to crown a korean woman before they crown a japanese woman!! Shocking….I think that was the first time that I learned that koreans are discriminated in Japan..

    By the way, i really wanted to post that article, since it was written by an american and it reveals the unfair racism. But I couldn’t find it. Maybe it no longer exists. However, I’ve managed to find a picture of Miss Venezuela and Miss Korea. In the PICTURE, anybody could tell that Miss Korea is far better-looking than the short and “ugly” Miss Venezuela… It seems like the writer was right. The only reason Miss Korea “lost” the crown was because she was a Korean and the judges were japanese..

    Many people on this blog have said that koreans need to change their attitudes toward the Japanese. But this incident proves that japanese people also need to change their attitudes toward the koreans as well. We cannot keep blaming Koreans while japanese keep looking down on the koreans in one way or another!!

  17. comment number 17 by: wiesunja

    Victor, where is the proof that the Japanese judges were biased? Is there actual evidence that this so called “American” writer (cough cough…I am willing to bet that this American writer’s last name was Lee, Park or Kim) can claim as proof that there was subjective bias on the judging? Is there even any proof that all of the judges were Japanese? Puhlease….

    Oh, and I really don’t think you want to step anywhere near the implication that Koreans are totally impartial in contests because if you do, be prepared to defend a juggernaut of shameful and embarassing episodes of Korean “objectivity” such as:

    1) The 1988 Olympic Boxing incident in Seoul where the Korean boxer totally got his ass licked by Roy Jones but ended up winning on the account of the Korean boxing team bribing the officials.

    2) The 2002 World Cup game against Spain in which Spain “miraculously” had two goals taken away from them. Instantly replays on TV showed clearly that the goals were legit. Rumor has it that the Equadorian referee was seen exiting the stadium with a kimchi vat full of bills.

    3) The Apollo Ohno short-dari track speed skating incident. Jesus Christ, it is a stupid sport that noone other than short-dari people care about. Americans were peeved about the Roy Jones incident as they were victims, but nonetheless, they were mature abouti it and moved on after the Olympics ended. Meanwhile, 3 freaking years after the incident and Ohno continues to get death threats from idiot crybabies in Korea who use his half-Japanese ethnicity as an excuse to continue to fuel their hatred, or should I say, immature jealousy.

    Face it, Koreans are notorious for being sore losers at anything. Can you think of anything from the IMF crisis, the collapse of the buildings in Seoul, the state of their economy, the utter filth of the Han River in which Koreans always put the blame on everyone else (foreigners) other than themselves? It truly is pathetic and is a sign of an immature national character.

    Other than that, usually, beauty pagents don’t mean anything to most 1st world nations in the world, but are a source of national pride and obsession for many third world “banana republic” nations such as Venezuela, Columbia, etc. as you pointed out. In fact, Venezuela is renowned for their long tradition of “grooming” girls to train for beauty pagents, very much in the same way as Rumania is famous for training gymnasts, Cuba for its boxers, Brazil for its soccer players, and New Zealand for its rugby players. Not surprisingly, these “beauty pagent” nations are also world renowned for their wide spread prevalence of plastic/cosmetic surgery among its women because of their old school culture in which women are nothing more than ornaments to be looked at. Thus, the pressure to conform to this standard. Its no surpise then that Korea fits the mold perfectly, but is this something really of national pride?

    Furthermore, I will say that although that chick in the pic looks smokin hot, she is in no way near a representation of the typical Korean girl. I would say that when I first arrived in Korea, I thought the girls were all hot, but the longer I stayed, the more I realize that Korean girls are basically 3’s dressed, carved, and made up to be 9’s. Ever see a Korean gal with her makeup off and running around in sweatpants and sandals in the morning? If so, the mystery as to why all of these comely girls end up looking like chimps with perms in green spandex jumpsuits when they reach their ajumma stage is dissolved. Believe me, there was alot of carving done on that face but then again, the market and society demands it so to each her/his own.

  18. comment number 18 by: takeshima

    Vickyopo, I doubt what your saying is true, but I have no doubt that coreans around the world belive in their heart that they were cheated. When Coreans are in any international competition they are so brainwashed into believing they will win that when they lose, they need to find a reason. The usually fault is that the other guys were cheating.

    If you think that Japanese hate you so much, perhaps its time to reflect as to how to repair this feeling. perhaps coreans could stop spreading anti japanese hatred.

    Yesterday, I found a bunch of silly childish anti-japanese posting on another blog, you have read them kyopo, as you have already attacked me as ‘ranting’ when I reposted them. Kyopo, Coreans act very childish and hate-filled when it comes to japan. Perhaps, you can put your energy in healing japanese hatred instead of trying to brainwash others to believing corean propaganda.

  19. comment number 19 by: Victor

    Wiesunja and Takeshima,
    I was merely presenting the on-line article in which the writer clearly stated that the Korean woman didn’t win because she was a Korean. Of course, it’s just the opinion of the writer…and may or may not be true.

    Just for the record, I absolutely do not hate Japanese. From what I’ve seen in my life, i can assure you that koreans in canada get along very well with the japanese in canada!

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    Well, good to see English article like this. Although some of these might have been licensed products, it’s clear that these are the result of oneway cultural transfer, from Japan to Korea.

    I was really tired of almost all Korean international students saying they are the best race on the earth. I’ll bookmark this. thanks.


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