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Looks like Korea’s first man in space won’t be a man.

March 9th, 2008 . by Gerry-Bevers

Lee So-yeon (이소연) will be Korea’s first astronaut in space after replacing Go San (고산), the man originally scheduled to be Korea’s first astronaut to travel to space. Lee was originally training as a backup, but it seems  that she will now be replacing Mr. Go because he violated security procedures, which included the taking of restricted training materials outside the Russian space center.

I do not know why Mr. Go would take restricted training materials outside the space center, but a suspicious person might suspect espionage. Could that be the reason the Russians demanded that he be replaced?

Go San must be feeling like crap.

Link to Korean article 

Korea Times Article


82 Responses to “Looks like Korea’s first man in space won’t be a man.”

  1. comment number 1 by: Sweet Water

    Gerbilbastard,

    What you have not understood from this paragraph is that even after living in Japan for a long time and being attacked by a Japanese person I still don’t believe that all Japanese people are violent.

    Do we really need high IQ to understand that “even after living in Japan for a long time and being attacked by a Japanese person (you) still don’t believe that all Japanese people are violent.” Why can you write such an obvious thing so proudly? Do you think you are something special because you don’t believe all Japanese people are violent? Do you see the narcissism in what you write? Do you really think a Korean racist like aokiookami is convinced by your beautiful story of friendship and will stop his racist remarks?
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    Regarding the incident on京成線, if a foreigner was physically assaulted by a Japanese thug on the public transportation in Tokyo, it would usually be on several newspapers. Especially, the Asahi and Mainichi shouldn’t be silent… So, go to police and report the incident.

    There are too many people here who don’t have a full comprehension of English here for this to be a productive conversation.

    Your writing style is very similar to many other Koreans, such as Jenny, Justice,…, I’ve observed on this site. Their posts consist of arrogance and conceits. They also complained that they were not understood because other people had no intelligence.

  2. comment number 2 by: Kaneganese

    Gerbilbastard

    “There are too many people here who don’t have a full comprehension of English here for this to be a productive conversation. Point:”

    You are one of the worst and the lowest hypocritical commentator I’ve ever seen on this blog. Even anti-Japan troll on our Takeshima blog never says this kind of abusive comment. You are the real hypocrite who judge others out of ignorance and prejudice. “名は体をあらわす” No wonder you have “bastard” in your nickname. If you want to critisize anti-Korea comment, I totally stand by you as long as it is based on the fact, but do it right. I now understand why some of commentator mistook you as Debito. As I said above, the more you say hypocritical thing, the more hateful comment comes out. And you should know racism in Korea is much worse than in Japan and some of the commentator you say “idiots in here who find a few articles on the net” is actually exposed themselves to those kind of racism. You can say anything even anti-Japanese thing you are hinting but still safe and sound in Japan, but not everyone in Korea.

  3. comment number 3 by: bad_moon_rising

    “JAXA(ジャクサ)(田中)】

     今回の協力検討は、どちらかと言えば無償で相互利用を実現できないかという形。”

    Why should the Koreans get a free ride? They haven’t contributed anything to the International Space Station. Yet the Koreans demand that they have access to the Kibo laboratory module, preferably for free. That is ridiculous.

    The development of the Kibo Laboratory, JAXA’s main contribution to the ISS, has cost about 325 billion yen (about $2.8 billion).[44] In the year 2005, JAXA allocated about 40 billion yen (about 350 million USD) to the ISS program.[45] The annual running costs for Kibo will total around $350 to 400 million. In addition JAXA has committed itself to develop and launch the HTV-Transporter, for which development costs total nearly $1 billion. In total, over the 24 year lifespan of the ISS program, JAXA will contribute well over $10 billion to the ISS program.

    What has Korea contributed? Zero. If the Koreans want access they need to pony up the money and the equipment. Otherwise they should stick to Virgin Galactic.

    “Ko San is not just a curious young man, he knew what he was and wasn’t allowed to do and signed a written pledge,” said one of the heads of the Cosmonaut Training Center. “Roscosmos handles all political issues,” said Lieutenant General Vasily Tsibliyev, chief of the center. “We train cosmonauts and report any irregularities.”

    With “astronauts” like Ko San, Japan needs to be very wary of letting Koreans into their Kibo module even if the Koreans are willing to pay up. Having paid money, the Koreans would be even more intent on stealing technology from the module under the premise that they had “paid” for it. Of all the international astronauts the Russians have trained, the Koreans seem to be the only ones that have violated training protocol in such an egregious manner.

  4. comment number 4 by: Sweet Water

    To those of you who don’t speak Japanese, the following is Gerbilbastard’s honorable “anti-racist” activity on YouTube with translation:

    2002FIFA WORLDCUP South Korea fixed game(韓国のワールドカップ八百長試合)
    Shiranui06 (1 week ago)
    世界中に嫌われている朝鮮人!!!!! (Koreans who are disliked all over the world!!!!!) [Note: It’s not a complete sentence but a clause.]
    gerbilbastard (1 week ago)
    おまえもな (You, too.)
    Shiranui06 (1 week ago)
    あなたもね (You, too.)

    A few comments of mine… First, I don’t think Shiranui06 was so “openly vile” as Gerbilbastard claims. Second, the reaction of Gerbilbastard to Shiranui06’s comment reveals who he is. Third, Gerbilbastard’s remark makes him look silly because Siranui06 is not Korean. Finally, this is what Gerbilbastard calls a “productive conversation.”

  5. comment number 5 by: alec931

    wiesunja (a.k.a. koreaissuperiortoall),
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    Simply wow. How long did it take you to come up with that message?
    ( https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=845#comment-34142 )

  6. comment number 6 by: Gerbilbastard

    Well, I guess checkmate on me then.

    To kaneganese – I still have no response for you because I’m still delusional.

    For Garlic Breath – Maybe I’m a jerk but it still doesn’t excuse the continued and hurtful statements that you post about Koreans. Do you think these add to the conversation? Do random articles prove anything related to the conversation at hand?

    Sweet Water – How can you not understand how that statement is bad? Koreans who are hated all over the world? I told the poster that his type of statement make him the bigger jerk. Kaneganese thinks I’m referring to all Japanese people but she’s wrong as well. And Sweet Water, your analysis is wrong. That statement makes no sense if Shiranui is Korean. That statement was obviously written by an insensitive Japanese person – a troll.

    As for my comments about not understanding English well enough, I’m sorry if this offended everyone. The point of me saying this is that not all of the language I’m using is cut and dry so if you’re reading each sentence for meaning then you’re definitely not understand the gist of each full post. I respect that you’re writing in English.

  7. comment number 7 by: Brian

    lol. I find it funny that people are making assumptions about whether posters are “Korean” etc. There is no evidence that Akookinomi or whatever is Korean or anything for that matter. People who claim he is only do so to conveniently distort Koreans.
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    Gerbilbastard, I admire your will of going against these racist retards. Don’t let their idiotic distortions frustrate you, as it is clear to most who the real irrational posters in this site are.

  8. comment number 8 by: GarlicBreath

    Blian:
    lol. I find it funny that people are making assumptions about whether posters are “Korean” etc

    Interesting, because you often make assumptions about ethnicity:

    GarlicBreath is not Chinese (nor Japanese), but (judging from his passionate posts on this matter) a product of a neglectful Korean father and a prostitute mother

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Blian! (gerbal, why no comment on Blians racist comments.. lol. Hypocrite.

    Gerbilbastard, I admire your will of going against these racist retards

    No surprise that you two crawl in bed together. Lord GerbalBastard, seems to appreciate anti-Japanese racism while ignoring your own racist comments Blian. Gerbal, has been exposed as a liar and a hypocrite, by a few people here, just as you have Blian.

    it is clear to most who the real irrational posters in this site are.

    Yes it is clear, each time you post Blian. GerbalBastard, you and Blian are a match made in heaven. (Coreans can’t cheat and bribe their way into that place, unlike Ko San) LOL

  9. comment number 9 by: GarlicBreath

    Garlic Breath – Maybe I’m a jerk but it still doesn’t excuse the continued and hurtful statements that you post about Koreans

    Truth is the best disinfectant. Do you think people should not talk about the US led Iraq being wrong, because it may hurt the feelings of an American?
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    I think it is you and your comments that are hurtful Look at what Blian is saying now.
    But Blian the troll admires you, so maybe that makes you happy.

  10. comment number 10 by: Errol

    Gerbilbastard Says:
    March 15th, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Sweet Water … people shouldn’t make generalizations based on a few experiences.

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    Who is making generalisations based on a few experiences?
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    Statistics are quite clear on 40% of Korean males and their attitude to a certain global social norm. Can this be extrapolated to an attitude to female cosmonauts?
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    As can be seen here.
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    As has been discussed on occi here,
    here and here.
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    Overheard two Korean high school girls talking today. One had been punched by her boyfriend. The other noted that this is the norm in Korea.
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    GerbilBastard, the second Korean girl shouldn’t be making generalisations based on a few experiences? Perhaps that’s because it’s not a few experiences that she has observed.

  11. comment number 11 by: Brian

    GarlicBreath is not Chinese (nor Japanese), but (judging from his passionate posts on this matter) a product of a neglectful Korean father and a prostitute mother

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    Garlicface proves once again that he will make any false connection to conveniently prove his idiotic and irrational views. It wasn’t even me who made this statement… maybe you should CHECK your sources before making false statements.
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    Everyone in this site knows that you are the biggest hypocrite and there is no evidence more compelling than what is all around us. You lead a sad existence my friend.

  12. comment number 12 by: Brian

    GarlicBreath is not Chinese (nor Japanese), but (judging from his passionate posts on this matter) a product of a neglectful Korean father and a prostitute mother

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    Garlicface proves once again that he will make any false connection to conveniently prove his idiotic and irrational views. It wasn’t even me who made this statement… maybe you should CHECK your sources before making false accusations.
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    Everyone in this site knows that you are the biggest hypocrite and there is no evidence more compelling than what is all around us. You lead a sad existence my friend.

  13. comment number 13 by: Brian

    GarlicBreath is not Chinese (nor Japanese), but (judging from his passionate posts on this matter) a product of a neglectful Korean father and a prostitute mother

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    Garlicface proves once again that he will make any false connection to conveniently prove his idiotic and irrational views. It wasn’t even me who made this statement… maybe you should CHECK your sources before making false accusations.
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    Everyone in this site knows that you are the biggest hypocrite and there is no evidence more compelling than what is all around us. You lead a sad existence my friend.

  14. comment number 14 by: GarlicBreath

    Lol, blian you were so excited that you thought I made a mistake in mixing you and your alter ego Alec up that you posted three times. I suggest wiping off your keyboard.
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    So you are saying that Alec isnt just a sock of yours? Both of you make the exact same comments.

  15. comment number 15 by: Sweet Water

    Gerbilbastard,

    Sweet Water – How can you not understand how that statement is bad? Koreans who are hated all over the world? I told the poster that his type of statement make him the bigger jerk.

    It’s not a racist remark. She simply stated her own observation. If you disagree, you should ask her some statistical or anecdotal evidences. You also don’t understand my point: There are millions of racist remarks on YouTube. Yet, you picked one of the least harmful ones, to attack. That explains who you are. You probably are a very emotional person, who overreact the word “Chosen-(Chosun-) jin.”

    And Sweet Water, your analysis is wrong. That statement makes no sense if Shiranui is Korean. That statement was obviously written by an insensitive Japanese person – a troll.

    Your reading skill of English is poorer than that of middle school students. Didn’t you understand I wrote Shiranui is not Korean? I agree she is Japanese. That’s why your response “You, too (are Korean)” doesn’t make sense and makes you look silly. You might be very proud of your English, but the biggest problem is that you cannot think logically or you’re too emotional whenever Koreans are discussed.

    The point of me saying this is that not all of the language I’m using is cut and dry so if you’re reading each sentence for meaning then you’re definitely not understand the gist of each full post. I respect that you’re writing in English.

    Once again people on this site are not convinced by your comments not because they don’t understand English very well but because you comments lack integrity and sincerity. These two are relatively difficult words that you might not fully understand.

  16. comment number 16 by: Gerbilbastard

    You probably are a very emotional person

    This is the first correct thing you’ve said about me. I’m still trying to figure out how anyone can justify posting something so obviously derogatory about other cultures. GarlicBreath says it’s alright to belittle Korean culture (a cultural topic) because it’s the same thing as questioning the war in Iraq (a policy issue). Anyone is allowed to question policies, but once you move into cultural references, you walk a fine line of racism because not everyone in a country subscribes to the same cultural practices. GarlicBreath pointed out that, “rule breaking and dishonesty is deeply rooted in corean culture.” How is that acceptable? He’ll now probably say I’m being racist for not pointing out aokiookami but I’m mentioning only him because he was the first person who took direct attacks against another culture.
    I do get too emotional when Koreans are mentioned because I spend too much time on sites like 2chan and YouTube not to see this kind of crap. Yes, they say bad things about Japanese people as well, but I don’t understand Korean so I’m speaking from my point of view. No racism is acceptable. GarlicBreath keeps trying to say I’m racist for this or that, but not once has he mentioned something like – “Yeah, maybe that wasn’t the most appropriate thing to say.” I’m very sincere in my comments but my integrity is something that you must decide about yourself.

  17. comment number 17 by: Matt

    Gerbilbastard, I am definitely not jumping in on this debate you and others are having, but I always thought that cultures (as opposed to races) are fair game for criticism. Yes, it is true that not all members of a culture will subscribe to all cultural practices, but most members of a culture freely associate or identify themselves with their culture.

    I think it is a bit unnatural to put culture out of bounds for discussion. “Human sacrifice is deeply rooted in Aztec culture” would be fair comment, not racism, even if a lot of the victims of it were Aztecs themselves. On the other hand, statements like that need to be clearly supported by the evidence. So what GarlicBreath is saying is either true or false, and the negativity of the statement is only as bad as how we perceive rule breaking and dishonesty.

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    That statement was obviously written by an insensitive Japanese person

    Obviously Japanese? Gerbilbastard, are you late for your KKK meeting? You can tell a japanese by a few words on youtube? LOL.

    GarlicBreath says it’s alright to belittle Korean culture

  19. comment number 19 by: GarlicBreath

    GarlicBreath says it’s alright to belittle Korean culture

    Show me where I said that? READ L I N E S. Saying coreans are dog eaters, for example, is not belittling them. Coreans are proud of eating dogs. If you don’t like that (I think it is barbaric) take it up with the dog eaters, not those that oppose dog eating. Naturally not every single Corean throughout time has ate dog 24-7, but it is part of their culture. It is a known fact.

    I do get too emotional when Koreans are mentioned

    Oh Gawd, pleases don’t tell us your problems, I don’t care about your emotional problems JEEZE. You may need help, but this is not the place.

    Yes, they (coreans) say bad things about Japanese people as well,

    More racism from the hypocrite. Just stop. Stop with your racist comments.
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    Your comments are not appropriate.

  20. comment number 20 by: Brian

    Matt, give me a break here. There is a CLEAR BOLD-line between “criticism” and ‘outright racism’ and people here have crossed it a million times over. To “critisize” a culture keeps in mind human nature and the social-cultural context of the situation. “Good criticisms” at least attempt some level of objectivity, rational, and accurate deductions based on specific sources. Racism, on the other hand, consists of generalizations, slander, irrational accusations, ignorance of context, baised views and twisting of unsound evidence, etc. I think Gerbilbastard, along with countless other good-headed people CAN CLEARLY SEE THE difference here. And I know you do as well, yet it is unclear to me what Koreans have done to harm you, besides being “arrogant,” which hardly justifies the slander campaign this site represents.
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    Anyways, having people like Gerbilbastard comment is a refreshing addition to this site and as more rational readers continue to step up, the true reality of Korean culture will be revealed (good not bad). I’m am fully confident that this site will result in the OPPOSITE effect of its initial purpose: increased understanding of Korean culture at the expense of crazy insecure Japanese, or other, nationalists.

  21. comment number 21 by: Brian

    Look up “moral relativism” as an ethical principle.. the unethical arrogance of the posters here is incredible.

  22. comment number 22 by: Errol

    Brian Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Look up “moral relativism” as an ethical principle.

    What is morally relative about going the bash on womenfolk? The Koryo Dynasty did not condone going the bash on womenfolk. Thus this has nothing to do with Korean ethnicity. It also has nothing to do with the oft-touted, “Give us a break we’ve only (1) had democracy for 15 years (2) been industrialised for 45 years (3) been unoccupied by Japan for the past 63 years …”
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    It has everything to do with the egregious denial of sexism in

    modern

    Korean society.
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    Brian Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    “Good criticisms” … accurate deductions based on specific sources.

    Here is the source again; “We The Women. Is it not a credible source? Why not? Because it’s provided by women?
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    Quod Erat Demonstradum
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    Bash me. Go ahead. I’m a bloke. I’m sure it doesn’t give you the same pleasure. Or does it?

  23. comment number 23 by: Brian

    ^Who denied that sexism didn’t exist in Korea? That site has cases female abuse from all over the world. In what society does sexism not exist? Is this a Korean problem or a human problem?
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    What was your point again? Is it fair to critisize Korean society for one of the oldest crimes in the book as if it has exclusive ownership to the crime? Give me a break. This is exactly what I’m talking about.

  24. comment number 24 by: Matt

    Matt, give me a break here.

    Brian, I am not going after anyone, nor endorsing GarlicBreath’s opinions. GarlicBreath’s negative attitudes towards dog eating, for example, would be puzzling to people that approve of the practice. It all depends on POV.

  25. comment number 25 by: Errol

    Brian Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    ^Who denied that sexism didn’t exist in Korea?
    (1) That site has cases of abuse of females from all over the world.
    (2) In what society does sexism not exist?
    (3) Is this a Korean problem or a human problem?

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    (1) Agreed
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    (2) Utopia
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    (3) It’s both
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    (4) The problem in Korea is the extent, the amount, the level of abuse of women in Korea.
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    Korea is the one of the world’s best at beating women. The link shows the numberz. Can’t hide from the numberz. Cannot evade the numberz.Cannot deny the numberz.
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    Maybe I should phrase it as a multiple choice problem next time.
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    Even do a little but of Likert Scale action.
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    Brian Says:
    March 17th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    What was your point again?

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    Korea is the one of the world’s best at beating women.

  26. comment number 26 by: Brian

    ^LOL. Did you do a scientific study in your basement to come up with that conclusion? Sources? How about you’re the world’s best at being ignorant and biased! Want my research? Look above.

  27. comment number 27 by: Errol

    Brian, the correct response would have been;
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    You are right Errol and now that I have confessed I can move from
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    Stage 1: Denial
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    to
    Stage 2: How to Solve the Problem.

  28. comment number 28 by: Errol

    Stage 3: What Australian men do when they see women being bashed.

  29. comment number 29 by: GarlicBreath

    Space nut Lee So yeon, plans on singing, cooking space dinner and making childrens books on her 27 million dollar space tourist trip.

    “I hope all the Russian guys and the American guys will like my singing.”

    Interesting how arrogant Coreans can be. Even when she is a guest, tourist on a russian ship, she calles everyone “foreigners”. I guess everywhere Coreans are, is the center of the universe, and everyone else is the foreigner.

    “I will make a big dinner for the foreigners. I hope they will enjoy the food,”

    Nobody wants to eat her garbage rotten food.
    lastly, and try not laugh, she will bring peace to the Coreas.

    “I will try and make peace between North and South Korea,”

    I have heard that stale line before:
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    Banki moon shoud be UN GS to bring peace to the Coreas.
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    Corea should get the winter olympics to bring peace.
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    Corea should get world cup to bring peace.
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    etc etc etc.
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    Coreans are milking it.

  30. comment number 30 by: Errol

    GB, your Korean skills are not up to scratch. Many nuances are lost in translation.

    Even when she is a guest, tourist on a russian ship, she calles everyone “foreigners”.

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    By foreigners she means non-Koreans. In an insular society such as Korea such thoughts are inevitable. Don’t blame her. Blame the closed shop of the Korean education system that allows such thoughts to prosper.
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    “I will make a big dinner for the foreigners. I hope they will enjoy the food,”

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    At least she can cook. Most young Korean women leave it to mommy. As mommy wants her daughter to study hard, work hard and build a relationship with a scion of the jaebol pseudo-aristocracy. No time for cooking. Even young Korean men learn how to cook in the army.
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    “I will try and make peace between North and South Korea,”

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    Aren’t we all trying to do the same thing? You’d be amazed how many Koreans are more interested in the next episode of Lost than the plight of North Koreans.

  31. comment number 31 by: GarlicBreath

    Many nuances are lost in translation.

    Good point, she may not speak english, and as a space tourist, I am not suprised. But the translators probally can spin the nuances. And that “foreigner” phrase is what she said and meant.

    By foreigners she means non-Koreans

    Yep, that is how the world is divided in the Corean mind.

    At least she can cook.

    Opening a can of stinky rotten cabbage is hardly cooking.

    You’d be amazed how many Koreans are more interested in the next episode of Lost than the plight of North Koreans

    No, not really. I have never met a Corean who gave two sh1ts about North Corea. They play lip service to North Corea to gain advantage.
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    I have done more for North Corea then 99.9% of all coreans.

  32. comment number 32 by: Errol

    Stage 2: How to Solve the Problem.

    President Lee listens to me even if you don’t Brian.

    “The federal government needs to reinforce the education of Korean men getting married to foreign women.”