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Looming blog war?

February 4th, 2008 . by Matt

If you are going to say someone is using a sock, then do it right. But what I am seeing on Trans-Pacific Radio blog, where the moderators have been accusing Ampontan of having a sock, and encouraging their commenters to do so as well, is the wrong way to do it. What is most funny of all is that they are saying that sock is frequent Occidentalism poster Ponta.

With the owners/moderators of the blog addressing Ponta as “Bill” (which is Ampontan’s name – William Sakovich), and commenters given free reign to join the mods in the accusations, Debito followed up with the most hypocritical statement possible

Two words: Sock puppeting.

Now you know why I moderate with extreme precision on Debito.org.

Approving trolls means you take the chance somebody will feed them. And what happens is not a real debate, where people are on a quest for the truth. It\’s merely a waste of time.

And precisely what trolls want. It\’s only sport to them. Or a concerted effort to force people (the blogger in particular) to waste mental energy trying to come up with a response.

Ah, no, I was also censored on Debito’s blog, and it wasn’t for trolling, it was for pointing out a factual error that he made. Moderating with extreme precision = banning anyone that points out his errors.

The moderators followed up Debito’s post with this notice

Thanks everyone for all the emails and comments we’ve received in support of our position. As we said, we will not allow comments related to the troll’s identity any longer since it seems to have been resolved – through some investigation and IP address matching. There is nothing more to be said on the issue and we hope to get back to the usual fruitful discussion, without the interruption of trolls. Thank you for your concern and patience!

Oh, really? If you want to pull this kind of thing then you need to show some actual proof. You need as much proof as I presented when I exposed Kushibo/Nora.

By the way, Ponta is not Ampontan/William Sakovich . I have been corresponding with Ponta in Japanese for years, and no matter how good Ampontan is at Japanese, I would have detected his foreignness at some point.

Anyway, very badly done. Put up or shut up and apologise, TPR.


8 Responses to “Looming blog war?”

  1. comment number 1 by: eli

    Obviously you are a puppet too. Duh.

  2. comment number 2 by: Kaneganese

    Oh? “amPONTAn” is still on a issue? I heard this from Ponta more than a month ago, and we had a good laugh. I kind of want to see where it goes in the end.

  3. comment number 3 by: camphortree

    Part of my name, cAMPhortree also shares some alphabetical letters with AMPontan. Yay, he is me!
    Unlike Debito Arudou and the PTR moderator, Matt and Ponta have never evaded a debate with anyone who holds an unfavourable or contradicting view.
    No matter how deceptive arguments the challengers presented, Matt and Ponta (Bevers and Kaneganese as well) have had the decency to keep debating with them as long as the exchanges were kept to a certain standard of civility. My sincere respect goes to those net samurai.

  4. comment number 4 by: ponta.

    Thanks Matt for the clarification.

    I had a good laugh. And I am still having fun, thinking they still might believe I am anPONTAn.

    You know, it is kind of honor to be mistaken for a native speaker by native speakers. At the same time I kind of feel sorry for Bill.

    Bill holds higher moral standard than me.
    Bill is not the kind of person who laughs at this kind of stupidityーーー I am.

    BTW if you have any question about Japanese Matsuri, ask me. a.k.a amPONTAn. (^_-)

  5. comment number 5 by: nigelboy

    Moderating with extreme precision = banning anyone that points out his errors.

    Somebody should set up a site where people can post the “banned” quotes from Debito.org

  6. comment number 6 by: Matt

    Somebody should set up a site where people can post the “banned” quotes from Debito.org

    Well, I will tell you what. I posted a comment today, and it looks like he has refused to post it so when I get home, I will post my comment. More proof that if you point out his errors, you get moderated “with extreme precision”.

  7. comment number 7 by: ponta.

    Somebody should set up a site where people can post the “banned” quotes from Debito.org

    Yeah. I totally agree.

    I posted the following comment on his today’s post.

    5 icarus Says:
    February 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    This is so unfortunate because I happen to actually like the theme of this restaurant. They seem to be appealing to the “true” fish lovers who can appreciate the taste of seafood. The rules are pretty strict even in Japanese and it seems like they are trying to preserve an atmosphere indicative of food enjoyment – i.e. no smoking or shouting.
    That being said though, the “no NJ” takes it over the top. Considering that Tsukiji is a go-to place for tourists, this policy is bad way to present Japan. If they would consider teaching NJ about fish they could probably increase their business ten-fold.
    6 ponta Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    February 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    これは確かに不適切な表示ですね。

    しかし、they indicate that NJ cannot have this degree of food appreciation, and so refuse them entirely.
    というのは翻訳の間違いでしょう?
    ルールを守って、といのが眼目で、
    「大きな声でしゃべるな、他のお客さんに迷惑をかけるようなことはするな」
    「小さな店だから、別席になることもある」
    「天然ものだから、品切れのこともおおく、値段が高いことを了承してください」
    ということでしょう。
    多分、こうしたことを日本語がしゃべれない人に説明することが出来ないということでしょう。
    それにしても、日本語がわかる外国人もいるのにこれはちょっとひどいですね。

    Will he accept English and English speaking people only? —I don’t think so. But we’ll see it.

    So Japanese people let’s work together!!


  8. […] Around three days ago I wrote about Trans-pacific Radio accusing Ampontan of having a sock. Since that time they have completely deleted that post and all the comments in it. Fortunately, the net is a permanent record. There is the google cache of their perverse cover-up. Archive.org also collects things frequently. […]