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More terrorism in London

July 21st, 2005 . by Matt

When will the British Government learn? They are taking a soft and tolerant approach to terrorism and are paying the price.

When will these policies that endanger the people end?

Meanwhile in Australia, the security services do nothing while Muslim clerics make open threats against Australians.

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Wassim Doureihi – Australian citizen and leader of the terrorist linked Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Wassim Doureihi, leader of the Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, has taken it upon himself to dictate Australian foreign policy.

Westerners must leave Muslim lands if they want to safeguard themselves against terrorist attacks, says the Sydney leader of the global Islamic group Hizb ut-Tahrir, Wassim Doureihi.

Although Mr Doureihi says his group espouses non-violence, he warns Australia to “stop interfering in Islamic land, stop enforcing rules over Muslims and allow the Muslims to assume their own political destiny … If we are really serious about protecting the lives of the people in Australia, if you want to remove the possibility of these actions occurring within these countries, then remove the original injustice.”

Basically this ‘Wassim Doureihi’ is implicitly threatening Australians with violence if there is no change in government policy. I wonder what he would say if were to turn his words back on him and say ‘Muslims must leave Western lands’.

The only reason Hizb ut-Tahrir espouses ‘non violence’ is so they can attack by surprise – a terrorist that announces themselves as terrorists would not be very successful. As we can see from the London bombings, Islamic terrorists are very good at leading double lives.

In Russia, Hizb ut-Tahrir has been banned as a terrorist organisation.

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‘Sheikh’ Mohammed Omran, Wahhibist Islamic leader that denies that Osama Bin Laden has anything to do with terrorism, despite numerous statements by Osama Bin Laden taking reponsibility for, and praising, terrorism

In Australia, we have ‘Islamic leaders’ like Sheikh Mohammed Omran making statements like these, designed to make Muslims think they are being attacked for no reason. Why is this immigrant allowed to remain in Australia?

One of Australia’s leading Islamic clerics says he does not believe Osama bin Laden directed the September 11 2001 terrorist strikes against America or that Muslims were involved in either that attack or last week’s London bombings.

“I dispute any evil action linked to bin Laden. I don’t believe that even September 11 … was done by any Muslim at all, or any other activities,” said Sheikh Mohammed Omran, echoing a point of view that has gained wide currency in the Islamic world since the attacks.

Omran, head of the fundamentalist Ahl Sunnah wal Jama’ah Association in Melbourne, told Australian Broadcasting Corporation television that he rejected allegations that bin Laden played a leading role in the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York.

“When you look at the man (bin Laden), from some part of his life, yes he is (a great man),” Omran said.

He said he also did not accept that Islamic extremists were responsible for the London train bombings that killed at least 52 people last week.

This seems to be a common opinion among Muslims, and I have heard it several times myself. Plans of attack are being made in mosques at this very moment. If Muslim organisations want to show their sincerity, they should throw the extremists out of the mosques, and start handing over terrorists to the authorities.


16 Responses to “More terrorism in London”

  1. comment number 1 by: eli

    Time for another Rivers of Blood speech, innit?

  2. comment number 2 by: Matt

    Time for another Rivers of Blood speech, innit?

    Enoch Powell was much criticised for the ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech when he made it, but it seems that he was prescient.

  3. comment number 3 by: Leone

    And what would you suggest as a tough line? Perhaps you would advocate the shooting of a presumed innocent man 6 times in the head rather than 5?

  4. comment number 4 by: eli

    Ten urgent steps to make Britain safer

  5. comment number 5 by: Lisa

    tell me have you ever READ the book calles ‘occidentalism’ ?

    does not seem likely to me.

    it hurst to see people full of hate like you.

    sorry but you are part of the problem, not of the solution.

    i implore you start to think, it helps.

  6. comment number 6 by: Matt

    tell me have you ever READ the book calles ‘occidentalism’ ?

    does not seem likely to me.

    No, I havent read the book ‘Occidentalism’, not that my site has anything to do with it. That book published in 2004 had already been preempted by Victor Davis Hanson in 2002, who was first to call anti westernism ‘occidentalism’, no doubt in response to Edward Said’s book, ‘Orientalism’ (are you sure that is not the one you want me to read?).

    For the purpose of this site, occidentalism means:

    1. A quality, mannerism, or custom specific to or characteristic of the Occident.
    2. Scholarly knowledge of Occidental cultures, languages, and peoples.

    it hurst to see people full of hate like you.

    sorry but you are part of the problem, not of the solution.

    I am not blowing people up, and I dont want other people to be blown up. Is that hate? If you are going to call someone part of the problem, why dont you define what the ‘problem’ is, and then outline your ideas for a ‘solution’.

    i implore you start to think, it helps.

    I think you would make a poor debating counterpart, but if you want to try where others have failed, go ahead.

  7. comment number 7 by: Yooklid

    Well said. What people in the west don’t seem to realise is that these people would NOT stop if the west simply upped and left the Mid East. That would been seen as a victory and then there would be cries for the return of Allhambra (Spain) etc. to muslim hands. Wahabbisim tolerates not rivals. This is not the religion of turning the other cheek.

    As a European it pains me to think that Europeans respect for civil and human rights and their desire not to repeat the sins of the past (This is what is driving their actions my American friends, not “cowardice”) is being corrupted and misused by people who want to destroy it.

    Keep it up Matt.

  8. comment number 8 by: Antonio

    As an aussie now in Spain I can see daily the problems caused by opening the flood gates to the extent that European nations have. This is hardly the first case of mass immigration leading to social problems in the form of increased crime and what have you; but the key difference is in the way that significant portions of the second generation have completely failed to make themselves integrated with the target society.

    Typically, the first generation fails to integrate because cultural and in particular language barriers often prove too much but their children do not have these impediments. In cases such as Australia and the United States with previous immigration from European and Far-Eastern nations, this second generation becomes so integrated as to become indistinguishable from the typically WASPy population; they will call themselves Australians or Americans.

    But with the advent of immigration from predominantly Islamic nations, this has not been the case. They see themselves as neither immigrants nor guests, but rather as adherents of Islam, nothing more. They expect (read: proposed Sharia courts in Western nations including Australia to mediate divorces) that their host nations will cater to their religion specifically and do not take the steps to integrate.

    This is especially true of the second generation. Recently a movie director who just happened to be a descendant of Van Gogh was murdered in Holland for having made a movie which dared to criticise Islam´s treatment of women. After much soul-searching was done by the islamic community, it was found that the attitudes between generations was quite distinct. The first generation considered themselves very much as guests and this was something that made them mindful of living by the laws of the land; after all life is not exactly bad in Holland when compared to say North Africa.

    But the second generation, now having been guaranteed their rights as citizens in a Western nation, see things differently. Radicalism is very much alive in this second generation and it is this current generation which behaves in an anti-social manner now that the fear of deportation is non-existant; whether it be refusing to abide by French laws banning religious apparel in public schools, or murdering one hundred and ninety-one people in Madrid.

    The solution? Well, if I knew that I wouldn´t be making comments in a blog now would I? 🙂

  9. comment number 9 by: eli

    Here’s another good idea. Deport immigrants who encourage terror, regardless of citizenship status.

  10. comment number 10 by: Yooklid

    There are plenty of people I would like to deport from Ireland. Unfortunatly, there are too many wet dick liberals there who want to give the whole show away.

  11. comment number 11 by: Malaclypse

    Let me start off by saying, frankly, I think just saying “let’s get tough on terrorism instead of soft and weak” will really do fuck-all for the terror situation.

    Well, perhaps that’s an oversimplification: I think what that will do is basically have the same effect as my country’s infamous “War on Drugs” (a mighty success story to be sure) in that it will make it more difficult for the terrorists/drug dealers at the very same time as it makes recruitment of new terrorists dealers *far* easier.

    Capitalism being what it is, arresting drug dealers means prices go up and profits skyrocket, making it much more lucrative to get into business.

    Ideology being what it is, *perceived* anti-Islam tactics and rhetoric bolsters recruitment and incites the could-be terrorists’ passions. I’m not saying that this sort of tactics and rhetoric is “right” or “wrong” I’m just saying that that’s one natural effect of it; if that’s an effect you want then then engage in it more, if that’s not one you want, engage in it less, simple as that.

    Now, what do I think should be done? Let me tell you what… I think the West (and by the West I mean the USA) should start acting less like a self-righteous teenager cocksure that he knows everything, and start acting more like a big daddy who does know everything.

    I think on the one hand we should start profiling when doing searches. What? Yeah, I said that. Focus the efforts on people who are 1) Young 2) Arab 3) Males. True this may not fit all terrorists but let’s not fuck around here… it fits most.

    And yes, deport people preach terror… all that other good stuff that people like Eli would say. Basically, stop trying to pretend we’re blind.

    At the same time and in tandem with this and other measures that address the Islamic population directly we should do things like *gasp* realize that we’ve made mistakes. Obviously this isn’t going to happen while Bush is in office but you get the idea… But basically, take some steps to show some self-awareness and basically shine as a beacon to the world that we are great and we are mature enough to live up to our ideals and principles and to acknowledge when at times we fall short, which at times all great men and nations do…

    Basically what I’m getting at is, let’s do the smart things that the right wing is talking about and not their stupid things, and let’s do the smart things the left wing is talking about but not the stupid things…

    Oh right, who am I kidding… either the conservatives are all good and liberals are all bad or vice versa depending on whichever partisan hacks have stolen the autonomy of your thought processes right now… yeesh!

    (Remember the Tar Baby Principle)

  12. comment number 12 by: Matt

    At the same time and in tandem with this and other measures that address the Islamic population directly we should do things like *gasp* realize that we’ve made mistakes.

    For the record, I was against the invasion of Iraq when it happened. I didnt believe the WMD story for a moment. Unfortunately, Iraq is now full of terrorists and the US is in a hell of a situation. If the US leaves right now, we could very well have the first country in the middle east under the control of Osama Bin Laden allied forces. I dont know how to solve the situation in Iraq – it seems like a catch 22 situation.

    On the other hand, Islamic terrorists would still be a problem even if the US were to cave in to most of their demands (withdraw support for Israel, remove troops from any Muslim country – even Saudi Arabia, where they are there at the request of the Saudi government). With significant numbers of Muslims in Europe, Islamic terrorists (and even ‘moderate Muslims’) now want to establish Islamic governments in those countries.

    While we are stuck with Bush for the time being, we can at least demand consistent enforcement of the ‘war on terror’ at home. Statements by Bush like ‘Islam is a religion of peace’, despite the voluminous evidence to the contrary, simply provides a religious cover to terrorists and surrenders the moral high ground.

    In my opinion, there is no possibility of a reform of Islam because Mohammed was very specific that terrorism is an acceptable way to spread Islam.

  13. comment number 13 by: eli

    At the same time and in tandem with this and other measures that address the Islamic population directly we should do things like *gasp* realize that we’ve made mistakes.

    In what way would this alleviate terrorism? Public image problems are unrelated to terroristm: the bin Ladens of the world have stated that their goal is a global caliphate, and this was their goal starting long before the US had any real interest or presence in the middle east. Nothing we can do or say here will change that goal. Supposing we leave Iraq and all other muslim nations, withdraw support from Israel, etc., what could we do about bin Laden’s demand that Andalusia be returned to caliphate control? Terrorist demands have little to do with the United States’ global image, they are about establishing Sharia throughout the world.

  14. comment number 14 by: Malaclypse

    At the same time and in tandem with this and other measures that address the Islamic population directly we should do things like *gasp* realize that we’ve made mistakes.

    I thought it was interesting that you guys both took particular notice of this passage….

    In what way would this alleviate terrorism? Public image problems are unrelated to terroristm: the bin Ladens of the world have stated that their goal is a global caliphate, and this was their goal starting long before the US had any real interest or presence in the middle east.

    That’s meant to make a difference when it lands in the ears of America and our allies; of course it’s not going to make

    Supposing we leave Iraq and all other muslim nations, withdraw support from Israel, etc.,

    I’m not saying we should do that. In the case of Iraq, we broke it so we bought it; in the case of Israel, they’d most likely get slaughtered if it wasn’t for the USA and I don’t particularly consider it a good thing. The way we go about it could use some amount of reworking IMHO (what couldn’t, right) but of course we’re not going to let a friendly puppet government of ours go needing and get eaten alive.

    In my opinion, there is no possibility of a reform of Islam because Mohammed was very specific that terrorism is an acceptable way to spread Islam.

    I strongly disagree with that. So he was specific… so what? The Jewish holy text is pretty specific about a number of things as well: If you want to sell your daughter into slavery, Exodus 21:7 sanctions that; Exodus 35:2 clearly states that those who work on the Sabbath should be put to death, Lev 11:10 is quite specific that eating shellfish is an abomination.

    Yet, none of these (and as you know that’s not even getting into the really weird shit) has kept the Jews from reform, so why not Muslims? Basically a majority of them need to realize that a lot of the Kuran is totally full of shit and worth ignoring, just as Jews and Christians have accepted that lots of parts of the bible are full of shit and worth ignoring.

    And, once they can do that, they’ll probably lose a lot of their animosity for those of us who who think that Islam and the Kuran (and for some of us, all organlized religions) are totally full of shit.

    So, I think it’s possible. But how? Well, I suppose that’s another post for another time. Let’s just say it involves a lot of booze cheap hookers. Seriously,

  15. comment number 15 by: randomcow

    Don’t know if you saw the update, but here we have him saying he’ll help us find the terrorists in Australia. I hope Australia takes the lessons learnt from history and deals with this group appropriately.

    RC

  16. comment number 16 by: Occidentalism » Finally!

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