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News from Naver’s “Killzap.cafe”

September 23rd, 2006 . by Gerry-Bevers

Last night I came across an anti-Japanese, Korean-language Web site while doing a search on another topic. Translated into English, the name of the site is as followings:

“Enjoy Japan: Anti-Japanese Database”

The address for the site is as followings:

http://cafe.naver.com/killzap.cafe

I assume that “Killzap” was used in the address either because the “Kill Jap” name was already taken or because Naver has some kind of policy against using such names. Anyway, the main purpose of this post is not to talk about anti-Japanese Web sites in Korea, but to talk about one particular post I found on the site.

The “Killzap.cafe” blog is a members-only site, so non-members do not normally have access to the posts, but it appears I got access to one of them because it came up on a Naver search. Anyway, the post attracted my attention because it mentioned my name and some of our activities here at Occidentalism.org.

Apparently, one member of the site got a letter from a person named Steve Barber who supposedly lives in Yongin, here in Korea, with his Korean wife. In his letter, Mr. Barber expressed concern that Japanese were working with foreigners, particularly with “idiots like Gerry Bevers,” to promote Japanese claims on “Takeshima.”

Mr. Barber felt that Koreans needed to do more to promote their claims in English and suggested that they use Mark Lovmo’s site to do it. Mr. Barber even offerred to help translate the material.

According to the Korean-language explanation, Mr. Barber contacted the Korean gentleman after seeing him post about “Dokdo” on my “Korean Language Notes” blog. Apparently, Mr. Barber was impressed.

Based on the contents of the letter, including Mr. Barber’s asking about a possible shorter distance for “ri,” I think I know some of the aliases that Mr. Barber posts under, and others here probably know them, too.

Anyway, it is nice to know that our posts on Dokdo/Takeshima are being read and discussed among Korean “Dokdo” advocates and their sympathizers. By the way, I am not worried about anything that Mr. Barber might post on Mark Lovmo’s site because he is fighting against the truth, which means he cannot win such a fight.

I realize that describing the Dokdo/Takeshima debate as “a fight” may seem silly to some people, but it is a “fight for the truth.”

The following is a copy of the post from the site, which includes Mr. Barber’s August 31, 2006 letter to Mr. Cho:

주고 받은 메일을 공개한다는게 어떨지 좀 그렇지만….

생각해 볼 여지가 있는 내용이라, 올려 놓습니다.

사실 독도문제는 그냥 우리끼리 “독도는 우리땅”….

이것보다는 뭔가 다른 접근방법이 필요하다는 생각입니다.

이 사람이 아래 메일에서 지적한 것과 같이…

혹시 우리가 과거의 역사를 되풀이하고 있지 않은지?

좀 고민해 봐야 할 문제같네요….

저는 이 친구(분?)의 의견에 동감하고 있습니다만,

운영진 여러분도 한 번 생각해 보시라는 뜻으로 올려놓습니다.

hanmaumy님도 잘 판단하시리라 생각합니다.

참고로, Lovmo씨의 site는 여기,

http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/

Gerry Bevers의 Site는 여깁니다.http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/Gerry Bevers가 활동중인 혐한 site는 여기구요.https://www.occidentalism.org
이 곳 site에서 왜구들과 토론하면서, 한국측에 대한 대응 논리를 만들고 있습니다. ——————————————————한마음님.

번거롭게 생각하실지도 모르지만, 제가 받은 mail을 그대로 님께
송부해 드려야 할 것 같습니다.
저도 영어가 능숙하지는 않습니다만, 가능한 범위에서 해석도 같이 달아드립니다.
쪽지로 보내드리니까 문장 길이에 한계가 있어서,
mail로 송부해 드립니다.

님이 독도에 대한 연구를 시작하게 된 계기가 저와 같다면,
이 사람의 취지에 대해서는 충분히 공감하실 수 있으리라 생각합니다.

Mr. Steve barber ( maemi30@hotmail.com )
현재 용인 거주중인 것으로 알고 있고, Wife는 한국인이랍니다.
공감하신다면, 이분 mail로 한 번 연락주시기 바랍니다.

감사합니다.

—–Original Message—–
From: steve barber [mailto:maemi30@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:01 AM
To: spar@paran.com
Subject: RE: Hanmaumy

Dr Mr Cho:

I went onto Hanmaumy’s website and just by the visual images I saw I can say
his website is the best I’ve ever seen !! I’m very impressed.
(한마음님의 웹사이트에 가봤다네요… 이제까지 봤던것 중에 가장 훌륭했답니다. 감동먹었다는군요)

The problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believe
Dokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must get
this valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issue
ever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the related
information be available to the public in English.
(문제는 한국어랍니다. 한국인들은 이미 독도가 한국땅인것 처럼 생각하고있고, 그래서 한마음씨가 시간낭비라고 생각하고 있는것 같다고(?)… 하지만, 가치있는 정보는 글로벌 커뮤니티로 제공해야 한다고… 만약 독도가 ICJ로 간다면, 많은 자료들이 영문으로 공개되어야 한다고…)

Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working with
foreigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in English
while working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.
Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.
(요즘 점차 많은 일본인들이 외국인들과 함께 타케시마가 일본의 것이라는 자료를 영문으로 작업중에 있고, Gerry Bevers와 같은 또라이들과 함께 작업중입니다. 2차대전 직후와 마찬가지로 한국은 독도에 대한 메세지를 밖으로 보내고 있지 않고 있다고 합니다.)
-> 참고로 Gerry Bevers는 인천 거주하고 있는 호주인인데, 상당한 혐한입니다. 엔조이재팬에서 활동중인 일본인들과 각종 자료들을 영문으로 번역해서 그의 Blog에 올려놓고 있습니다. 저도 이 사람 Blog에서 토론하다가, 토론을 보게된 Steve씨가 제게 연락해서 연결되었습니다.

That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working on
my own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest my
lack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images on
some of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally in
Korean.
(Lovmo씨의 site는 이미 만들어져 있고, 지금껏 자기 혼자서 자료모으는 작업을 해 왔지만, 솔직히 한국어 능력이 떨어지기 때문에 자료를 모으는 것에 한계를 느낀답니다.)We should use Mr Lovmo’s site because it is already quite popular and it has
the greatest amount of exposure on the English/Foreign Internet.
(Lovmo씨의 site는 이미 외국에 많이 알려져 있고, 영문권이나 외국 인터넷에 많이 노출되어 있기때문에 Lovmo씨의 site를 이용해야한다네요?)

Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do my
best. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from his
website and translate as well as I can for Mark.
I would love to meet both of you someday.
(한국 밖으로 메세지를 보내기 위해 같이 협력하잡니다. 자기는 최선을 다하겠다고. 한마디 더하면, 한마음님의 site에서 자료를 좀 가져가겠답니다. 그리고, 우리 둘을 한 번 만났으면 한다네요…)

Yours Truly:
Steve

The problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believeDokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must getthis valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issueever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the relatedinformation be available to the public in English.Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working withforeigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in Englishwhile working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working onmy own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest mylack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images onsome of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally inKorean.Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do mybest. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from hiswebsite and translate as well as I can for Mark.I would love to meet both of you someday.Yours Truly:SteveThe problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believeDokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must getthis valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issueever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the relatedinformation be available to the public in English.Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working withforeigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in Englishwhile working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working onmy own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest mylack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images onsome of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally inKorean.Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do mybest. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from hiswebsite and translate as well as I can for Mark.I would love to meet both of you someday.Yours Truly:Steve———-
Oh by the way Mr Cho.

You must tell Hanmaumy I have a great deal difficulty accessing his website.
Whenever I try to hotlink to his page it defaults back to some Mireen24
homepage. It is an incredible headache and it is greatly affecting the
amount of hits he will get from the public.

Please notify him immediately.
(한마음님의 Site에 접속하기가 굉장히 어렵답니다. 접속하려고 할 때마다, 미리내24의 디폴트페이지로 넘어가는데, 아주 골치가 아프다네요. 제일 마지막 문장은 ?, 하여간 님께 연락해 달랍니다.)

In addition I don’t think you understood my last post. I am familiar with
the Korean ri being about 400 meters but if you look at some old maps you
can see they must have used a much smaller distance for the ri. For example
the distance is shown as 800 ri from Korea to Ulleungdo on some maps. I
don’t understand this measuring system.
(이것은 제가 질문의 요지를 잘못듣고 회신한 것에 대해 보완질문 입니다. 어떤 한국고지도들에 보면 한반도와 울릉도가 800리라고 나온게 있다는데, 이해하지 못하겠답니다. 나도 잘 이해가 안돼네요..)


55 Responses to “News from Naver’s “Killzap.cafe””

  1. comment number 1 by: GarlicBreath

    Dogbert:

    A Mr Mark Lovmo comes to mind. He admits he is a former Korean English teacher. Now he is out to ‘prove’ takeshima is Korean. He has fallen into the dark side.

  2. comment number 2 by: dogbert

    All we can do is pity them. Someday they may wake up and realize how they’ve wasted their lives and made fools of themselves.


  3. […] If the Steve Barber who received The Korea Society scholarship is the same Steve Barber who wrote this letter and who has been posting as Wedgie, and possibly other names, on this blog and others, then I fear that the goals of the society are not being achieved when it comes to the issue of ”Dokdo.”  […]


  4. […] Link my post of Mr. Barber’s letter. […]

  5. comment number 5 by: Jahn

    All these arguements turn out similarly. The pattern goes something like:

    Koreans are brainwashed fools who are racist against the Japanese…Koreans did this, Koreans did that…they keep bickering with vague historical evidence.

    Then someone brings up stuff about the annexation of Korea, states a a lot of uncited facts and a few cited ones too…and there is a whole ‘nother subjective arguement about the level of oppression Japanese had on Korea….whether it was good or not…then some guy talks about how Koreans took Japanese culture and enjoy sushi and what not.

    You believe this? You believe that? Oh we’re better because of this. Oh we’re better because you’re misinformed. Oh that fact doesn’t count, it can’t be proven. This or that is highly probable.

    This is the problem with arguing on blogs. IT NEVER FUCKING ENDS. And you know why it never ends, because people are unwilling to compromise, work together, use tactful language/gestures/ connections. They turn into stat/word games. In the end, it really comes down not the the “truths” as Matt likes to say so often, but rather to the various individuals’ core values. you don’t change people’s core values through a few blog entries. And “truth” as much as a lot of you want to believe, isn’t on the top of the core value list for many many people (rightfully so. The hell’s the truth?)

    This blog isn’t a solution to arguements like the one over Dokdo. This enlarges the problem. Breeds hate. More hate. Matt, if you want to put a composed information out there about Dokdo, please do so wisely.