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News from Naver’s “Killzap.cafe”

September 23rd, 2006 . by Gerry-Bevers

Last night I came across an anti-Japanese, Korean-language Web site while doing a search on another topic. Translated into English, the name of the site is as followings:

“Enjoy Japan: Anti-Japanese Database”

The address for the site is as followings:

http://cafe.naver.com/killzap.cafe

I assume that “Killzap” was used in the address either because the “Kill Jap” name was already taken or because Naver has some kind of policy against using such names. Anyway, the main purpose of this post is not to talk about anti-Japanese Web sites in Korea, but to talk about one particular post I found on the site.

The “Killzap.cafe” blog is a members-only site, so non-members do not normally have access to the posts, but it appears I got access to one of them because it came up on a Naver search. Anyway, the post attracted my attention because it mentioned my name and some of our activities here at Occidentalism.org.

Apparently, one member of the site got a letter from a person named Steve Barber who supposedly lives in Yongin, here in Korea, with his Korean wife. In his letter, Mr. Barber expressed concern that Japanese were working with foreigners, particularly with “idiots like Gerry Bevers,” to promote Japanese claims on “Takeshima.”

Mr. Barber felt that Koreans needed to do more to promote their claims in English and suggested that they use Mark Lovmo’s site to do it. Mr. Barber even offerred to help translate the material.

According to the Korean-language explanation, Mr. Barber contacted the Korean gentleman after seeing him post about “Dokdo” on my “Korean Language Notes” blog. Apparently, Mr. Barber was impressed.

Based on the contents of the letter, including Mr. Barber’s asking about a possible shorter distance for “ri,” I think I know some of the aliases that Mr. Barber posts under, and others here probably know them, too.

Anyway, it is nice to know that our posts on Dokdo/Takeshima are being read and discussed among Korean “Dokdo” advocates and their sympathizers. By the way, I am not worried about anything that Mr. Barber might post on Mark Lovmo’s site because he is fighting against the truth, which means he cannot win such a fight.

I realize that describing the Dokdo/Takeshima debate as “a fight” may seem silly to some people, but it is a “fight for the truth.”

The following is a copy of the post from the site, which includes Mr. Barber’s August 31, 2006 letter to Mr. Cho:

주고 받은 메일을 공개한다는게 어떨지 좀 그렇지만….

생각해 볼 여지가 있는 내용이라, 올려 놓습니다.

사실 독도문제는 그냥 우리끼리 “독도는 우리땅”….

이것보다는 뭔가 다른 접근방법이 필요하다는 생각입니다.

이 사람이 아래 메일에서 지적한 것과 같이…

혹시 우리가 과거의 역사를 되풀이하고 있지 않은지?

좀 고민해 봐야 할 문제같네요….

저는 이 친구(분?)의 의견에 동감하고 있습니다만,

운영진 여러분도 한 번 생각해 보시라는 뜻으로 올려놓습니다.

hanmaumy님도 잘 판단하시리라 생각합니다.

참고로, Lovmo씨의 site는 여기,

http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/

Gerry Bevers의 Site는 여깁니다.http://koreanlanguagenotes.blogspot.com/Gerry Bevers가 활동중인 혐한 site는 여기구요.https://www.occidentalism.org
이 곳 site에서 왜구들과 토론하면서, 한국측에 대한 대응 논리를 만들고 있습니다. ——————————————————한마음님.

번거롭게 생각하실지도 모르지만, 제가 받은 mail을 그대로 님께
송부해 드려야 할 것 같습니다.
저도 영어가 능숙하지는 않습니다만, 가능한 범위에서 해석도 같이 달아드립니다.
쪽지로 보내드리니까 문장 길이에 한계가 있어서,
mail로 송부해 드립니다.

님이 독도에 대한 연구를 시작하게 된 계기가 저와 같다면,
이 사람의 취지에 대해서는 충분히 공감하실 수 있으리라 생각합니다.

Mr. Steve barber ( [email protected] )
현재 용인 거주중인 것으로 알고 있고, Wife는 한국인이랍니다.
공감하신다면, 이분 mail로 한 번 연락주시기 바랍니다.

감사합니다.

—–Original Message—–
From: steve barber [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Hanmaumy

Dr Mr Cho:

I went onto Hanmaumy’s website and just by the visual images I saw I can say
his website is the best I’ve ever seen !! I’m very impressed.
(한마음님의 웹사이트에 가봤다네요… 이제까지 봤던것 중에 가장 훌륭했답니다. 감동먹었다는군요)

The problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believe
Dokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must get
this valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issue
ever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the related
information be available to the public in English.
(문제는 한국어랍니다. 한국인들은 이미 독도가 한국땅인것 처럼 생각하고있고, 그래서 한마음씨가 시간낭비라고 생각하고 있는것 같다고(?)… 하지만, 가치있는 정보는 글로벌 커뮤니티로 제공해야 한다고… 만약 독도가 ICJ로 간다면, 많은 자료들이 영문으로 공개되어야 한다고…)

Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working with
foreigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in English
while working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.
Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.
(요즘 점차 많은 일본인들이 외국인들과 함께 타케시마가 일본의 것이라는 자료를 영문으로 작업중에 있고, Gerry Bevers와 같은 또라이들과 함께 작업중입니다. 2차대전 직후와 마찬가지로 한국은 독도에 대한 메세지를 밖으로 보내고 있지 않고 있다고 합니다.)
-> 참고로 Gerry Bevers는 인천 거주하고 있는 호주인인데, 상당한 혐한입니다. 엔조이재팬에서 활동중인 일본인들과 각종 자료들을 영문으로 번역해서 그의 Blog에 올려놓고 있습니다. 저도 이 사람 Blog에서 토론하다가, 토론을 보게된 Steve씨가 제게 연락해서 연결되었습니다.

That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working on
my own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest my
lack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images on
some of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally in
Korean.
(Lovmo씨의 site는 이미 만들어져 있고, 지금껏 자기 혼자서 자료모으는 작업을 해 왔지만, 솔직히 한국어 능력이 떨어지기 때문에 자료를 모으는 것에 한계를 느낀답니다.)We should use Mr Lovmo’s site because it is already quite popular and it has
the greatest amount of exposure on the English/Foreign Internet.
(Lovmo씨의 site는 이미 외국에 많이 알려져 있고, 영문권이나 외국 인터넷에 많이 노출되어 있기때문에 Lovmo씨의 site를 이용해야한다네요?)

Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do my
best. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from his
website and translate as well as I can for Mark.
I would love to meet both of you someday.
(한국 밖으로 메세지를 보내기 위해 같이 협력하잡니다. 자기는 최선을 다하겠다고. 한마디 더하면, 한마음님의 site에서 자료를 좀 가져가겠답니다. 그리고, 우리 둘을 한 번 만났으면 한다네요…)

Yours Truly:
Steve

The problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believeDokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must getthis valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issueever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the relatedinformation be available to the public in English.Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working withforeigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in Englishwhile working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working onmy own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest mylack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images onsome of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally inKorean.Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do mybest. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from hiswebsite and translate as well as I can for Mark.I would love to meet both of you someday.Yours Truly:SteveThe problem is that it is all in Korean language. Koreans already believeDokdo is Korean land so Hanmaumy is in a sense wasting his time. We must getthis valuable information out to the global community. If the Dokdo issueever goes to the ICJ it is absolutely necessary that all of the relatedinformation be available to the public in English.Mr Cho I must stress these days there are more Japanese working withforeigners promoting Takeshima is Japanese and they are doing it in Englishwhile working with idiots like Gerry Bevers.Like after WW2 Korea isn’t getting its message out there about Dokdo.That being said, Mr Lovmo’s site is up and running and I’ve been working onmy own to try to gather information and translate it but to be honest mylack of ability in Korean language makes it impossible to gather images onsome of these Korean National Archives Websites because they are totally inKorean.Please me must work together to get the message out there. I will do mybest. In addtion please tell Hanmaumy I am going to gather images from hiswebsite and translate as well as I can for Mark.I would love to meet both of you someday.Yours Truly:Steve———-
Oh by the way Mr Cho.

You must tell Hanmaumy I have a great deal difficulty accessing his website.
Whenever I try to hotlink to his page it defaults back to some Mireen24
homepage. It is an incredible headache and it is greatly affecting the
amount of hits he will get from the public.

Please notify him immediately.
(한마음님의 Site에 접속하기가 굉장히 어렵답니다. 접속하려고 할 때마다, 미리내24의 디폴트페이지로 넘어가는데, 아주 골치가 아프다네요. 제일 마지막 문장은 ?, 하여간 님께 연락해 달랍니다.)

In addition I don’t think you understood my last post. I am familiar with
the Korean ri being about 400 meters but if you look at some old maps you
can see they must have used a much smaller distance for the ri. For example
the distance is shown as 800 ri from Korea to Ulleungdo on some maps. I
don’t understand this measuring system.
(이것은 제가 질문의 요지를 잘못듣고 회신한 것에 대해 보완질문 입니다. 어떤 한국고지도들에 보면 한반도와 울릉도가 800리라고 나온게 있다는데, 이해하지 못하겠답니다. 나도 잘 이해가 안돼네요..)


55 Responses to “News from Naver’s “Killzap.cafe””

  1. comment number 1 by: tomato

    >Gerry

    I really can’t believe people just buy what the Koreans are saying…the “victim stance” pays, after all.

    But at the same time, isn’t Korean ultra-nationalism pretty much obvious to cast doubt on many of their claims? Or when it comes to Japan, everything they say suddenly seems true?

    BTW, the site’s name stinks…no better than anti-semitism sites. Is it pretty popular in S Korea?

  2. comment number 2 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Tomato,

    According to information on the site, it has 3673 members.

    I agree. The site’s name does stink. By the way, just because Steve Barber’s letter was posted on the site does not mean that he was a member.

  3. comment number 3 by: pacifist

    Gerry,

    It’s a pity that sombody you knew well is working for a lie-telling party. If he really saw your website, he should have noticed which side is making a lie…..
    And if he helps the party knowing they were telling lies, it’s a crime!

    BTW, what did he praise in his text? – only a visual image of a website, not contents?

  4. comment number 4 by: tomato

    >Gerry

    Thanks. Do you think “Mr. Cho” is the guy that posted some comments on your blog and left, maybe because I refuted his claim about Japan being a threat to Korea and told him to better worry about his all-too-nationalistic country instead?

    >to all those anti-Japan guys out there

    Before you start believing those crazy stories about Japanese intent of aggression being told by Koreans, just take the effort to study how Japan nurtured democracy, observed human rights and peace after WWII, which probably was one of the major reasons why Japan re-emerged as a world power even though her major cities were totally destroyed, lost most major factories, all shipping fleet was sunk (Japan was the world’s No.1 shipper before the war, as I recall), lost all her foreign assets, etc., etc., as result of the war. Especially take note on how much Japan provided both hard cash and “soft” (transfer of technology) assistance towards Korea and China to help them emerge.

    After that, compare it with Korea’s history after her “liberation” from Japan and see how troubled she was…the cruel civil war, the oppressive S Korean government (the last massacre by the government occurred in 1980, when US and Japan was about to go into a trade war…), the ultra-nationalistic education, censorship that still goes on, etc., etc.

    Japan should deserve better than paranoid fears.

  5. comment number 5 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Pacifist,

    When I was in the US navy many years ago, I went to langauge school with a Korean language linguist named Steve Barber, but that does not mean that the Steve Barber who wrote the letter is the same one.

    Mr. Barber may really believe Korean claims on “Dokdo,” even with all the evidence proving otherwise. Especially if his wife is Korean, there is no telling how long he has been brainwashed. It is not easy to give up a belief that you have had for a long time.

    By the way, I do not think Mr. Barber is impressed only with the visual images of the Web site. I think he is also impressed with the content. The Korean Web site he is talking about has a lot of historical information, but, unfortunately, the site operator still comes to the same flawed conclusions.

    I wish Mr. Barber would come here to Occidentalism to debate the issues, instead of just posting to Mark Lovmo’s site, which is not set up for debate. It only offers opportunities to post in a guestbook. If he likes, Mr. Barber may even use one of his aliases when he debates.

  6. comment number 6 by: Matt

    Gerry, the link to the Naver Cafe you posted does not work properly. I think I detected some access from that site before, but I was unable to view the contents because I am not a member.

  7. comment number 7 by: GarlicBreath

    I thought that Toadface said he was not American? Is he a liar? What about Korea brings out these types like Kushibo/Nora aka Nate Hilts and this toadface fella, Steve Barber.

    It sounds like Stockholm syndrome.

    Steve may have been brainwashed by his wife, but Hilts has never been closer then 10 meters to any woman (besides his mom).

    Steve Barber, I ask you, why did you lie about yourself and your motivation regarding the Japanese island of takeshima?

  8. comment number 8 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Matt,

    According to the Web site, only “Anti-Japanese Righteous Soldiers” can read the contents of the bulletin board. Here is the Korean:

    안내: 反日義兵 이상 읽기가 가능한 게시판 입니다.

    So, Matt, if you are not a “righteous soldier” or above, then you cannot read the bulletin board. By the way, I wonder what is above “righteous soldier”? Maybe, “Ahn Jung-gun Assassins”?

  9. comment number 9 by: tomato

    GarlicBreath>

    I didn’t think Toadface’s name was in the posting here by Gerry…?

    All>

    I tried to find Mark’s site and happend upon a Korean American site claiming Dokdo is Korean (see below, if you have the time)..but like always…the reasoning is very weak…so what if the US Forces in Japan decided to notify US Forces in Korea for bombing practices using Takeshima? It was decided by the US that Takeshima was Japan’s after that when the SF peace treaty was to be signed, as you all know…this fooling around with the timeline seems typical of them…”sigh”.

    http://junecho.blogspot.com/2005/08/dokdo-website-updated.html

  10. comment number 10 by: tomato

    Gerry>

    I bet those “anti-Japanese righteous soldiers” are reading Japanese manga/anime or watching Japanese adult videos without even knowing where they came from.

    BTW, it is really creepy…sounds similar to the KKK or neo-nazis in the US. I want to hope this hatred would end somehow.

  11. comment number 11 by: Darin

    By the way, I wonder what is above “righteous soldier”?

    I think one qualification is having less then 10 fingers. Guess I’m out :/

  12. comment number 12 by: wjk

    a lot of things from Japan are adult oriented. No secret there. Very few cultures managed to come up with a fisherman’s wife getting some from a giant octopus. They also have a fascination with rape, or forced intercourse against the woman’s wishes. This is evident in all forms of their “adult” entertainment. Tomato, since Japanese adult products are pretty much signature in their rape story lines, I doubt a single human being on earth can not know where the product is from.

    So, can I assume that Gerry Bevers doesn’t have a Korean wife to brainwash him?

    No matter how you look at it, Japan’s claim on Dokdo is merely that they grasped onto it, as they were Empire building and expanding into foreign land, which they have historically never had any claim to.

    Japan does its own brainwashing and propaganda towards its citizens. A normally non belligerant country doesn’t focus on bullshit like acquiring uninhabited islands that are militarily controlled by other nations for more than half a century.

  13. comment number 13 by: Matt

    BTW, it is really creepy…sounds similar to the KKK or neo-nazis in the US. I want to hope this hatred would end somehow.

    Tomato, the difference is that the KKK in America is not backed up by the government or the education system.

  14. comment number 14 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Tomato,

    Below is the link to Mark Lovmo’s Web site. I have it bookmarked under “Korean History/Dokdo/Bullshit.”

    http://www.geocities.com/mlovmo/

  15. comment number 15 by: GarlicBreath

    http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/04/warningnbsp_thi.html#comment-5505424

    Click on the name wedgie and you will see the same as email as Steve barber [email protected]

    Wedgie=toadface=frogmouth

  16. comment number 16 by: Matt

    http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/04/warningnbsp_thi.html#comment-5505424

    Click on the name wedgie and you will see the same as email as Steve barber [email protected]

    Wedgie=toadface=frogmouth

    Busted. Toadface claimed that he was not American, and that he had no special interest in Korea, but having a Korean family member seems like a hell of a special interest to me. Not that having a Korean wife means that you have zero credibility, but it does become an issue when you lie about things like that to try to make people believe you. The deception says a lot about his character, and suggests a reason as to why he supports Korea’s Dokdo deception.

  17. comment number 17 by: wjk

    can anyone here even make a decent explanation of why Germany shows no interest in recapturing parts of Eastern Polland, parts of Czech Republic, all of Alsace-Lorraine? German people lived here for hundreds if not a thousand years. No comparison to Japan’s mere Empire stretching towards Dokdo in post 1850.

    According to Bevers, Germany should gang up with powerful economic partners and isolate Poland, Czech Republic, and somehow find a group opposed to France. And conduct “research” expeditions in those lands secured by foreign armies. Just go in, and if a conflict arises, ” Feuer !”

    Germany has more at stake. These aren’t uninhabited isles. Lots of people, and more importantly so much natural resources and in modern times, infrastrucuture worthy of an industrial complex.

    But, Oh my God !

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html

    It seems Germany has no territory dispute with anyone !

    Is it just because they lost 2 World Wars and attempted genocide?

    I conclude that Koizumi is a jackass.

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    WKJ??? What was the point of that nonsense rant?

    Anyway lots of nations have territory disputes.

    https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html

    Canada and Denmark have one over Hans Island.

    The difference is that Canada Denmark and Japan are cool and composed over their respective disputes and Korea is collectively going berserk. You are a prime example. You and other Koreans try and tie everything and anything to your theory that Japan is planning on invading Korea over takeshima. Basically Koreans accuse Japan of doing things that only Korea does. It is quite hilarius.

  19. comment number 19 by: pacifist

    So wedgie, aka toadface, was pretending as an American?
    What a shame!!!

    Why does he need to pretend as others? Inferior complex? A guilty feeling? Anyway, it’s a cowardly deed.

  20. comment number 20 by: pacifist

    Here is wedgie’s comment on the Flying Yangban:

    “There are other people in this world who are neither Korean or Japanese who believe Dokdo is Korean besides Mark Lovmo. Mark is American I am not.”

    http://gopkorea.blogs.com/flyingyangban/2005/04/warningnbsp_thi.html

    And I replied to him as;
    “Hey wedgie,
    If you are not Mark, then you must be a Korean in the disguse of a foreigner, aren’t you? They say that Korean people are sometimes disguising as other country’s citizens, especailly when they do something wrong”.

    He is doing the same thing again……:(

  21. comment number 21 by: wjk

    garlic breathe, it’s not a nonsense rant. It’s not even a rant. In fact, I don’t think any of you can explain why Japan wants those islands. It was written by me to draw an example between a a non agressive, truly peaceful world war loser and another world war loser who likes to look back on its military history as some kind of golden age era, and refuses to give up territory it lost after causing shit in the world. Japan, won’t even make peace with Russia. It would rather quibble over some unimportant islands that aren’t really economically useful. Compare that to Germany, which doesn’t even raise a dispute over economically golden land, not islands, which it lost after the war. Japan would rather quibble over an uninhabited island and teach propaganda to its students instead of doing good faith business with China. It would rather try to take another piece of land from Korea, rather just concentrate on business.

  22. comment number 22 by: ponta

    WJK

    They also have a fascination with rape, or forced intercourse against the woman’s wishes. This is evident in all forms of their “adult” entertainment. Tomato, since Japanese adult products are pretty much signature in their rape story lines, I doubt a single human being on earth can not know where the product is from.

    Japan has had a lot of pornography since Edo period. There is no secret about it. And there are many kinds. If all you see from Japan is a rape story, that reveals your taste. You choose it. If all Koreans men see from Japan is a rape story, that reveals Korean tastes. They choose it. But in any case, do not fictitious pornography with reality.

    According to Bevers, Germany should gang up with powerful economic partners and isolate Poland, Czech Republic, and somehow find a group opposed to France.

    Did Gerry say it? No, Gerry said Japan should make it clear its intention about Dokdo and convey it to other countries and give the benefit to those countries who support Japan.

    Some Koreans compare Korea with a victim of Nazi, but I think that is a big mistake.
    The colonization was wrong and Imperial Japanese army committed a lot of crimes, but Japan was not Nazi.
    Nazi tried to terminate all the Jewish people because they were Jewish.
    Korean population had almost doubled during the colonization.
    What’s more,

    For Korean historians, the colonial period is both too painful and too saturated with resistance mythologies that cannot find verification in any archive. North Korea has concocted whole tapestries of events that exist only in the hagiography of Kim Il Sung..In the South one particular decade—that between 1935 and 1945—is an empty cupboard:millions of people used and abused by the Japanese cannot get records on what they know to have happened to them ,and thousands of Korean who worked with the Japanese have simply erased that history as if it had never happened. Even lists of officials in local genealogical repositories (country histories, for example) go blank on this period/page 139/Korea’s Place in the Sun by Bruce Cumings

    In fact, more than 300000 young Korean men voluntarily applied for Japanese army in 1948, when Tojou was a prime minister. (Think of the total population of Korea at the time) If Tojou is Hitler, Koreans were supporters of Hitler.
    Korean guards were famous for being more cruel than Japanese.
    148 Koreans were sentenced as war crimes.
    Japan and Korea worked together in an unfortunate way.
    Japanese faced it.
    Koreans did not.

    Gerry

    Japanese were working with foreigners, particularly with “idiots like Gerry Bevers,” to promote Japanese claims on “Takeshima.”

    Well I think Gerry and Opp’s work is taking effect.
    For Gerry’s argument, there is no escape for Korean. Every minor lies Korean historian lied is refuted.
    And opp’s maps make it clear for even a layman that Korean historians were lying.
    What I do not understand is why some Koreans want to cover up lies, crimes Koreans committed while they love blaming others.

  23. comment number 23 by: Mika

    Japan does its own brainwashing and propaganda towards its citizens. A normally non belligerant country doesn’t focus on bullshit like acquiring uninhabited islands that are militarily controlled by other nations for more than half a century.

    Many other nations use mindless nationalism to promote political agendas. However, Korea happens to do it in a very blatant and disturbing way , openly using racism in schools, brainwashing children (I am not exaggerating).

    It seems like the Korean government’s true sentiment are only driven by rivalry and nationalism not politcal correctness. Their attitude toward the Takeshima/Dokto issue is same. They keep going on and on bashing the Japanese governmant while ignoring the fact that the Korean government signed the new Japan-Korea Fisheries Agreement in 1999. In the agreement, the two countries agreed to the establishment of “provisional common waters” around Takeshima. However, Japanese fishing boats are still shut out of the fishing grounds by the Korean naval patrol in the area. Such situation made the local fishermen in Shimane Prefecture become increasingly frustrated and led to the reannouncement of Shimane Prefecture that Takeshima belongs to Japan. I don’t think any normally non belligerent country would ignore the international agreement they signed and use the naval patrol to threaten other country’s fishermen.

  24. comment number 24 by: wjk

    also, you think Japenese people don’t lie about anything? My undergraduate prof who studies Japanese culture and history said the Japanese history book itself on its origins and even up to AD 1000 can’t be taken as truth.

    Also, I myself think much of Korea’s SamGuk Sagi is a lot of lies, because first of all, it was written in the Koryo era, hundreds of years after the 3 kingdoms era, and it was heavily biased towards Shilla.

    Gerry’s doing nothing new under the sun. I think Gerry’s time should be better spent on learning Japanese, and becoming proficient.

  25. comment number 25 by: wjk

    no, Ponta, that seems to be Japanese taste. Because that’s pretty much the only theme.

  26. comment number 26 by: wjk

    oh, I must mention that I didn’t go to a Korean undergraduate university. I went to a US public state research university, ranked within 5 fingers for public research universities on the West Coast of USA. Prof was full blood European.

  27. comment number 27 by: ponta

    It was written by me to draw an example between a a non aggressive, truly peaceful world war loser and another world war loser who likes to look back on its military history as some kind of golden age era, and refuses to give up territory it lost after causing shit in the world. Japan, won’t even make peace with Russia. It would rather quibble over some unimportant islands that aren’t really economically useful. Compare that to Germany, which doesn’t even raise a dispute over economically golden land, not islands, which it lost after the war. Japan would rather quibble over an uninhabited island and teach propaganda to its students instead of doing good faith business with China. It would rather try to take another piece of land from Korea, rather just concentrate on business.

    Japan does not regard military history golden age. She regards it as a shameful, dark age.

    Japan wanted the issue of Dokdo secret to Japanese people. Few people knew there were dispute over Dokdo. It was Roh who make it known among Japanese that there was a dispute. There was no description in the text at school about the dispute until recently. Japanese people want the issue to be settled peacefully. and Japanese people are not excited about it as much as Koreans.

    Japan gave up all the territories it has taken during her expansionism.
    Korea stole Dokdo which has never belonged to Korea after the war.
    Did Poland invade and stole German territory after the war?

    If you have any argument that proves that Dokdo belonged Korea before 1905, you are welcome to join the discussion.

    All Gerry is doing is revealing the lies Korean historians were telling. I think that is a great job for the development of Korea. I Just do not understand why some Koreans can not take it in a cool-headed way.

  28. comment number 28 by: ponta

    wjk

    no, Ponta, that seems to be Japanese taste. Because that’s pretty much the only theme.

    Here is a categories of a Japanese ponographic site.
    amateur/wife/teens/mature/blond/office lady/adult animation/….
    Unfortunately I could not find a category “rape”.
    Maybe you had hard time finding it out or , Koreans imported only rape stories and you like it?

    also, you think Japenese people don’t lie about anything?

    Oh Japanese do lies. But when the lie are revealed and you are still trying to cover it up, you’ll be bashed.Is that not so in Korea?

  29. comment number 29 by: tomato

    >wjk

    Let’s see which country is more prone to rape….

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61613.htm
    Rape remained a serious problem. Between January and August, there were 6,220 reported cases of rape and 2,433 prosecutions.

    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61610.htm
    According to the NPA, 2,176 rapes were reported in 2004, and 1,945 cases were reported from January through November.

  30. comment number 30 by: tomato

    My undergraduate prof who studies Japanese culture and history said the Japanese history book itself on its origins and even up to AD 1000 can’t be taken as truth.

    Saids who? Ever heard of hear-say evidence? Besides, at least we have ancient texts. Better than creating fantastic views about the Great Korea that never was just from the desire to be superior to China or Japan.

    oh, I must mention that I didn’t go to a Korean undergraduate university. I went to a US public state research university, ranked within 5 fingers for public research universities on the West Coast of USA. Prof was full blood European.

    This way of boasting one’s credibility or high status is so typical of your people…always ranking everything. Nobody ever asked you, and it just helps you lose your credibility.

    BTW, what did you learn in the US? How to be a Korean ultra-nationalist?

  31. comment number 31 by: tomato

    Busted. Toadface claimed that he was not American, and that he had no special interest in Korea, but having a Korean family member seems like a hell of a special interest to me. Not that having a Korean wife means that you have zero credibility, but it does become an issue when you lie about things like that to try to make people believe you. The deception says a lot about his character, and suggests a reason as to why he supports Korea’s Dokdo deception.

    >Matt

    Thanks! I wonder why these kinds of people like disguising themselves as several individuals. They even hide (lie about) their nationality…maybe they are members of the “anti-Japanese militia” (義兵 may also be translated as “militia”). Scary guys…

  32. comment number 32 by: GarlicBreath

    WKJ,

    Nobody believes that you went to college. However I am sure you are proficient at ‘researching’ Japanese porn. Maybe getting real girlfriend will cure you of that problem.

    I recommend getting a job, and getting a life, and learning manners, instead of trying to justify the wacky actions of your homeland.

  33. comment number 33 by: GarlicBreath

    No Tomato,

    Frogface, wedgie, toaddick are all the same loser American guy named Steve barber. This Steve guy is married to a Korean and is out to prove he is more Korean then the Koreans. He knows Gerry and pretended to be someone else because he was too much of a coward to say his real name. He also liked to insult Gerry under his anonymity.

    he has been caught.

    Losers like WKJ willl be caught too.

  34. comment number 34 by: Gerry-Bevers

    Garlic Breath,

    I do not think we have established that Steve Barber is American or that he was the army linguist that I knew when I was in the navy many years ago. The Steve Barber I knew would be about 50 years old now. Also, I think I remember him having reddish hair.I hope he is not the same guy because the Steve Barber I remember was a quiet, decent guy.

    I do not mean to imply that the Wedgie Steve Barber is not generally decent, but I do think he is telling many half-truths when it comes to Dokdo/Takeshima.

  35. comment number 35 by: ponta

    oh, I must mention that I didn’t go to a Korean undergraduate university. I went to a US public state research university, ranked within 5 fingers for public research universities on the West Coast of USA. Prof was full blood European.

    This comment tells a lot.
    (1)wjk thinks (or he thinks the reader thinks )a Korean undergraduate university is not reliable.
    (2)wjk thinks that a US university, ranked within 5 fingers is not sufficient enough to be reliable but it needs to be backed up with “full blood European professor ”
    (3)wjk thinks citing the conclusion a university professor said without any argument is persuasive enough if the professor is a “full blood European” at a US university, ranked within five fingers.

    (1)I am not sure if (1) is true.
    (2)I don’t see why he had to mention European blood. Is Asian blood affect the validity of the argument or reliability of the argument.
    (3)I have to see what the professor said about ancient Japanese history to see if what he said is true.
    If this is how wjk was taught to argue at the university, I doubt if it was really the university, ranked within five fingers, or “ranked five within fingers” means “ranked five fingers from the bottom.

    wjk
    Honesty I don’t understand why you are upset about the truth being revealed by Gerry. The best way to refute and shame Gerry is you gives evidences and a good argument for Korean case. And the best way Koreans keep Korean pride is to accept the truth, admit the lie, learn from the crime Koreans committed. I know some ethnic Koreans are willing to do that, and I respect them, and i am sure others will respect them too.
    .

  36. comment number 36 by: wjk

    Gerry Bevers, at your age, do you even have a wife? Is she Japanese and does she tell you what to believe in? Low blow for low blow. I happen to be a US medical student.

  37. comment number 37 by: pacifist

    There once was JK, a follower of toadface. He hasn’t appeared on this blog for a while…

    wjk, aren’t you JK?

  38. comment number 38 by: wjk

    actually, my low blow is toward Garlic Breathe. I am very sorry for commenting towards Gerry Bevers.

    I apologize the best way I can. I will refrain from all negative comments towards Gerry for a year.

    Even though I disagree with Gerry, I think he is a worthy intellectual. I think Ponta is, too.

    Cant say so for Garlic Breathe, wiesunja, and chonko.

  39. comment number 39 by: wjk

    no, pacifist. I dont need hidden or other identities. I am WJK, plain and simple, always have been, and will be.

  40. comment number 40 by: pacifist

    wjk,

    If you are a medical student, then can you tell us the names of 12 cranial nerves? And of course you remembered them with a phrase or pun as many American medical students do, please tell us how did you remember them?

  41. comment number 41 by: GarlicBreath

    Pacifist

    Anybody can google that answer.
    http://www.gwc.maricopa.edu/class/bio201/cn/cranial.htm

    What I want to know is what does “ranked within 5 fingers” mean? It smells like konglish.

    I think WKJ lives in nevernever land.

  42. comment number 42 by: bad_moon_rising

    oh, I must mention that I didn’t go to a Korean undergraduate university. I went to a US public state research university, ranked within 5 fingers for public research universities on the West Coast of USA. Prof was full blood European.

    I fail to see the significance of mentioning that the professor was “full blood European.” Does that mean that were the professor of African or Asian origin, the education would have been inferior or less credible to that of a professor of European origin? This attitide is reminiscent of Koreans preferring English teachers of European origin to those of Asian or African origin. Anyway, it doesn’t surprise me that a Korean would attend a university in the United States. South Korea is now the largest source of foreign students for the U.S. at 80,000 students. If you look at The Complete List: The Top 100 Global Universities there isn’t even one Korean university listed. 9 out of the top ten universities listed are in the United States.

    also, you think Japenese people don’t lie about anything? My undergraduate prof who studies Japanese culture and history said the Japanese history book itself on its origins and even up to AD 1000 can’t be taken as truth.

    Do you believe that a woman named Eve was created from the rib of a man named Adam? Do you believe Noah built an ark and all the animals climbed aboard? Do you believe King Arthur pulled a sword from a stone? Do you believe the Tuatha Dé Danann ruled over Ireland in years past? I could go on and on… The fact is there are a good many stories about the origins of many people around the world. Man has been creating stories ever since man acquired the ability to speak. As far as early Japanese works like the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki, those are works of fiction and most people see it as such.

    There are people who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible but it doesn’t mean the Bible is entirely truthful. Would you call the early writers of the Bible liars? In Italy, Luigi Cascioli, 72, a lifelong atheist, seems to think so. He is suing the Rev. Enrico Righi, 75, a local parish priest over the very existence of Jesus. See Italian atheist sues priest over Jesus’ existence. What percentage of Japanese believe in the literal words of works like the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki? Do you know of any groups that support such an interpretation? I certainly don’t know of any. The line of thought that because there exists in Japan fictional stories concerning its origns that are over 1000 years old, that somehow that should discredit all Japanese in the present is absurd. It is as absurd as saying, “Do you think Koreans never lie. Look at Hwang Woo-Suk. The man was made a national hero.” What would that have anything to do with whether claims concerning Takeshima are credible or not?

    They also have a fascination with rape, or forced intercourse against the woman’s wishes. This is evident in all forms of their “adult” entertainment. Tomato, since Japanese adult products are pretty much signature in their rape story lines, I doubt a single human being on earth can not know where the product is from.

    Rape themed adult entertainment can be found around the world. Once again wjk attempts to make it appear as though Japan is the only country that has adult entertainment containing rape themes or that the entire nation is fascinated by it. You can find rape themes in adult movies from the United States, Europe and Russia. wjk shows no statistics as to the percentage of people in Japan that watch such videos. Name one TV channel in Japan that shows it? Afterall if Japan is into it so much it must surely appear regularly on their TV stations? I think not. However, what we do know for sure is that wjk has a fascination for rape themes. We know that Koreans like Sung Koo Kim are arrested for stealing women’s underwear in the United States and are suspected in the disappearance of women like Brooke Wilberger.

    In one document on Kim’s computer, “we see the defendant making a list of horrific torture steps that lead to murder,” according to court documents, “followed by a list of supplies to bring along to complete the tasks.”

    We know that Koreans like Kim Sung Jong aka Joji Obara are arrested for rape and murder of women like Lucie Blackman in Japan.

    We know that many adult themed movies are made by the Yakuza. We know that a significant portion of the Yakuza is made up of Koreans. Does this mean Koreans are preying on the Japanese? Does this mean Koreans are luring vulnerable Japanese women into making porn films? With Korea’s higher rape rate compared to Japan, it wouldn’t surprise me if Koreans were behind the rape themed “adult” videos. Of course most of this is conjecture but so is most of what wjk writes.

  43. comment number 43 by: sqz

    I happen to be a US medical student.

    へー。
    竹島が韓国の領土だと教えている医学部が、アメリカに存在するとは知らなかったヨ。(爆笑

  44. comment number 44 by: bad_moon_rising

    What I want to know is what does “ranked within 5 fingers” mean? It smells like konglish.

    Perhaps he cut off the other five fingers. Seriously, wjk should state what ranking he was referring to. There are many ways to rank universities.

  45. comment number 45 by: pacifist

    GarlicSmell,

    > Anybody can google that answer.
    I didn’t know how easy to get the answer…

    As to the sentence “ranked within 5 fingers”, the same expression is frequently used in Japan too – it merely means “ranked top five”.

  46. comment number 46 by: tomato

    As to the sentence “ranked within 5 fingers”, the same expression is frequently used in Japan too – it merely means “ranked top five”.

    Ah…example of 日帝残滓 ?

    Gosh, I wonder what will be left of Korean culture if you leave out all Japanese influences…such purification/fundamentalism is how civilizations plunge back into the middle-ages.

  47. comment number 47 by: GarlicBreath

    Yes Pacifist I goggled that answer in 5 seconds. I only told you because a fraud like WKJ will simply Google the answer and then claim that as proof that he is a student. He is not a student.

    in fact the answer to the second part of your question can be found there too.
    a mnemonic is often used by students such as . . .
    “On Old Olympic Towering Tops A Finn And German Viewed Some Hops”

    But I did think its telling that he claims to be going to a US school that is “ranked with 5 fingers”. This is a strange expression and is no doubt not used in the USA, unless you are sitting with Korean ESL students like WKJ. It has a Konglish stink to it.

    WKJ also disavows Korean university and claims a source is of ‘European stock’ as some proof of truth. This is a sure sigh that he has little contact with non-Koreans. Go to any campus in the USA try to make a claim that because a professor is white, that somehow they are bound to be truthful or more honest about a subject and you will be lynched. Statements like what WJK makes are heresy on any US campus.

    however, I cannot blame him for disavowing his Korean schools as they are corrupt and spew incompetent students.

  48. comment number 48 by: Two Cents

    なんか呉善花さんが本に書いてた状況みたい。自分は呉善花よりも良い大学を出てるから彼女の意見よりも自分の方が正しいと主張して、会場中の日本人の失笑を買った韓国人青年がいたってやつ。

    wkj,
    >Japanese history book itself on its origins and even up to AD 1000 can’t be taken as truth.

    If you are talking about the Kojiki or the Nihonshoki written in 708 and 720AD, respectively, of course not. They were written by those in power at the time and would no doubt be biased. (However, since history up to then were passed down the generations orally, and people had less entertainment than they do now, I’m sure one of the favorite pastimes would have been listening to your tribal storyteller. Thus, I would think there would have been a limit to the extent the powers could reconstruct history. They would discredit the books and themselves by lying.) Besides, there are plenty of archeological sites and quite a bit of literacture and bits of writing which predate them, so that scholars can actually study them to check which parts are facts and which are not. Quite different from the case in Korea where the oldest remaining history book is from the 12th century and virtually nothing from Paekche, which fell in 663AD, has survived.

    And as for your boasting of academic qualifications, on the Internet, you are only as good as the arguments you present. The respect people have for whatever five-finger-rank university you attend might be affected by the quality of your comments, but the opposite would not be true.

  49. comment number 49 by: sqz

    Two Cents wrote:

    なんか呉善花さんが本に書いてた状況みたい。自分は呉善花よりも良い大学を出てるから彼女の意見よりも自分の方が正しいと主張して、会場中の日本人の失笑を買った韓国人青年がいたってやつ。

    まあ『北東アジア近代史の世界的権威』であれば少しは違うだろうが、医学部の学生ではね(苦笑

  50. comment number 50 by: dogbert

    It is very difficult to take seriously the pseudo-academic rantings of that subset of white men involved with Korean women who are influenced by their significant others to take sides in issues involving Korea. Invariably, these are men whose knowledge of Korean language is so limited (if it exists at all) that the information they have regarding Korean history, politics, etc. is necessarily filtered through their wife/girlfriend or available in English.