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Senator Hillary Clinton: Korea Suffering from “historical amnesia”

October 27th, 2005 . by Matt

Senator Hillary Clinton is aware of Korean anti Americanism

The Marmot picked up a story from the Korea times that reported that Hillary said that Koreans had “historical amnesia” about America’s positive role in South Korean history.

From the JoongAng Daily

At a Senate confirmation hearing for the new commander of U.S. troops in Korea, Senator Hillary Clinton raised some concerns about the U.S.-Korea military alliance.
Sentator Clinton, a New York Democrat and contender for her party’s presidential nomination in 2008, said she wondered if Koreans had forgotten the importance of the U.S. military presence In Korea and the benefits that Korea had gotten from the half-century alliance.
She said Koreans were suffering from “historical amnesia.”
General Burwell Bell, the nominee to become the next commander of U.S. Forces Korea, was being questioned by the Armed Services Committee.
Senator Clinton told him, speaking of South Koreans, that she wondered about changes in “their understanding of the importance of our position there and what we have done over so many decades to provide them the freedom that they have enjoyed to develop the economy.”

Marmot wrote –

Personally, I don’t think the “historical amnesia” is quite as important as the refusal on the part of some in the United States to realize that as South Korea grows and becomes less dependent on its Cold War patron, it may begin defining its national interests in ways than don’t necessarily coincide with Washington’s.

Who in the US is refusing the Koreans anything? Koreans are able to define their national interests in whatever way they want – they dont need to piss all over Americans with their anti Americanism just to do that, nor do they need to start distorting history.

After the incident with the MacArthur Statue, the Korean media is in damage control, and so this editorial from the JoongAng Daily is urging caution.

The current state of U.S.-South Korean relations was referred to as being the victim of “historical amnesia” by a top U.S. politician, this time Senator Hillary Clinton, who is rumored to be the Democratic Party’s next presidential candidate.
The term was once used by Congressman Henry Hyde, a Republican representative who leads the House Committee on International Relations, when he described the controversy in South Korea over the statue of General MacArthur. Yet within a month, the term was used again by a prominent Democratic politician. The incident shows that both ruling and opposition lawmakers in the United States are feeling uncomfortable and worried about the current state of relations with South Korea.
Until now, some Seoul officials often dismissed American criticism of South Korea and uneasiness and concerns about the alliance by saying that such complaints are made only by Republicans and neo-conservatives. Ms. Clinton’s remarks, however, show that the concerns have spread from Republicans to Democrats. The time has come for Seoul to drop its carefree attitude.

It is about time that lawmakers in the US have opened their eyes to anti Americanism in Korea (although it is several years too late). ‘Historical amnesia’ is one way to term it, deliberate and calculated distortion of history is another. Now that there seems to be some bi-partisan thinking on the issue, hopefully we will see some action on this from the US side.

Joshua from One Free Korea wrote this on the subject, and is well worth the read.

29 Responses to “Senator Hillary Clinton: Korea Suffering from “historical amnesia””

  1. comment number 1 by: takeshima

    The sooner the usa leaves the better. Without the USA in corea, who do they (coreans north and south) have to blame for their division. I am sure that if there was a war, after all the dead are piled up, the south would win.

    Ahh.. what a sweet thought.

    I only wish that the coreans in places like canada and yankeeland would get sent to fight.

  2. comment number 2 by: Malaclypse

    I get this impression of South Korea as being a country which is, in many ways, like an “adolescent.”

    Like an adolescent, they have become a lot stronger and more competent in a relatively short period of time. They no longer need the assistance of their guardian as they did as a “child.”

    And as many adolescents have been known to do, they are rebelling against their guardian; and maybe that’s just a normal part of adolescent.

    And of course even adolescents who have at one point said “fuck you” to their parents in some hormone-fueled tantrum, may- should a serious enough crisis appear- come running to Daddy to bail them out.

    Such is part of the complex tapestry of responsibility for any parent, or global superpower, I suppose.

    Calling them on their shit, in any case, is a good idea. But though we’ve tried to warn them about fraternizing with those kids “on the other side of the tracks”- perhaps they’re at the point where they’ll have to learn their life lessons the hard way.

  3. comment number 3 by: chewbacca

    i personally think that if the U.S pulls out of the Korean Pennisula that reunification will eventaute, it what form this takes no one knows, but i think its time for the rest of the world to sit back and let them sort it out…..

  4. comment number 4 by: chewbacca

    off the topic a little dam Hillary is fine…im not old but i think its about time the U.S had a president that had a bit of Sex appeal..i wonder if she like cigars too? sure we will soon see!!

  5. comment number 5 by: dogbert

    I only wish that the coreans in places like canada and yankeeland would get sent to fight.

    LOL…That’s precisely where their parents send them to AVOID the military.

  6. comment number 6 by: JH

    I am a Korean-American, and I joined the United States Army after 9/11. I am a Sergeant (E-5) and served in the 101st Airborne Division and 1st Cavalry Division. I fought in my first combat tour and a infantryman in the war in Iraq. My parents did not come to the U.S. so that I can avoid draft, they came so that I can have a better life as an American. Though they weren’t too happy about it, they supported me when I joined the military after 9/11 when war was imminent. Just to inform you, that the largest group of Asians that are in the U.S. military are Koreans.

    What’s a sweet thought, Takeshima? Koreans being dead and piled up? You’re sick.

    I’m getting sick of the few group of Koreans who makes Korea look bad, and I’m sick of the people that take every word they say and think it’s what the majority thinks. But… I believe in free speech, and the Consitution is what I defend.

    You people do not understand why Koreans are so bitter towards the soldiers. Koreans don’t hate what the U.S. did for them in the past. They don’t blame them for the division (I personally blame the Soviets and Chinese for that). Koreans greatly appreciate the sacrifice the U.S. gave for them during the war. Those that want to tear down MacArthur are a foolish minority.

    The reason why Koreans are so sick of the American troop presence is the attitude of the soldiers there. I am a Korean and I am an American soldier. I know what goes on there. We soldiers, I admit, are bastards. We march into other countries and feel all high and mighty. We don’t give respect to other peoples cultures and just care about fucking their women and getting drunk at a bar. Not all soldiers are like that, but there have been SO many cases where soldiers would stir up trouble with the locals. I got into a barfight myself and got arrested by the MPs.

    There are always some sort of extremists in every country that will try to make the image of their nation better and everyone worse, when in reality they are hurting their own country. That is in every country. Everyone needs to stop bitching at Korea just because they have something that all other countries have too. Stop making us common Koreans look bad, because you believe the words of a few.

  7. comment number 7 by: JH

    Actually, I shouldn’t be pointing fingers at Matt or any you people for making the country look bad. I should be pointing it solely at the extremists. I really hope to one day go to Korea and fix up the country. Some people need to take their fingers out of their ass, open their eyes, and see that they are a few who are just whining about stupid shit. I just find everything frustrating when a country I love looks bad due to those who can’t grow up and move on. This actually gives me a lot of motivation to make the country a better place, and look better in the eyes of others.

  8. comment number 8 by: takeshima

    a sweet thougt is the usa leaving corea and unification.

    It sounds like you want to blame the yankee troops on the fact that corean hate the usa. Do you know that the vast majority of coreans never met a yankee solder? Do you know that the yankee soldiers actually dont do much bad things. I know that coreans, and even Marmothole love to talk about the ‘crimes’ but those ‘crimes’ are not what yankee consiter crimes in yankeeland. Do you know that if you walk around 99% of neighborhood in your motherland, you will see drunk corean men puking and yelling, even beating women, not yankee.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    JH, I will have to agree with takeshima on this one. I dont have the links right now (I am about to walk right out the door), but statistics show that USFK soldiers actually commit very few crimes (I think it was said that the USFK crime rate was lower than the crime rate for local Koreans).
    If all you are talking about is the attitudes of soldiers, and not crimes, then I think that this kind of cultural conflict could occur in any country when people from a foreign, alien culture are present. It must also be hard for the young soldiers there knowing that not only are they hated and unwelcome, but they are also expected to fight and die for people that hate them if war comes. Part of the bad attitude from USFK soldiers you are talking about could very well be coming from that.

  10. comment number 10 by: Wiesunja

    Hey Matt,

    You know, I was looking a the Japan Today website that I mentioned to you before, and it looks like the Korean trolls have successfully infiltrated it again. There are two obviously Korean or Korean-American poster posting under the names of:




    In it, they somehow try to make it look like Japan is a violent or horrendous country that puts America to shame when in fact, it is completely ridiculous to think so given the US’s worldwide reputation as being crime ridden,lax gun laws, and violent street crime.

    I think it is a very sly and cowardly tactic that Korean trolls use to basically use a given stereotype that is accepted worldwide and basically indefensible and ironically criticize the object of their hatred/jealousy by applying it incongrously to that object. The motivation is that it somehow will belittle their object of hatred/jealousy by putting the shoe on the other foot. However, in the end, all it does is make the person look very stupid and insecure.

    These two are having a field day by posting all day long, 7 days/week in the Japan Today forum trashing Japan at every chance they can get, even when the topic at hand hardly relates to Japan at all (weather, foreign economy, etc.) So many of the posters even used the comparison between the past hurricanes to hit the US and the typhoons that hit Japan this summer to somehow claim that it shows Japan is weaker and inferior because it’s storm systems are not as rough as hurricanes! LOL.

    I love it how Koreans and Chinese will always curse America and tell Yankee to go home, but when dealing with Japan, they suddenly “transform” into US supporters because there is nothing from their own countries that is on the same level to being a rival for Japan. Thus, they suddenly have to stick up for America who is the only other country which can go head to head with Japan.


    Check out the links to all of “iwasframed”‘s posts:


  11. comment number 11 by: Chris

    JH, Takeshima, and Matt,

    Interesting dialogue going on here. Omoshiroi desu nee.

    JH, as a fellow US Army soldier, I really respect your service and sacrifice. However, I’m going to have to wholeheartedly disagree with what you wrote in your two recent posts about the US military in South Korea. I don’t know where you are currently stationed, but you are out of touch with the reality on the ground here in South Korea. I won’t go into too much detail like I did in a previous posts on this blog about my experiences in South Korea. What I will write is that I have been in this country since February 2002. For those of you who might remember such things, it was right before “Ohno-Gate” at the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City that I arrived in South Korea. JH, I think that you really should educate yourself about what the average Korean’s attitude is towards the US as well as other countries. I remember one poll taken a couple of years ago in a Korean newspaper showed that over 70% of Koreans in their 20s and 30s opposed the US military prescence. However, that same percentage wanted to be a KATUSA. As Alanis Morrisette once sang, “Isn’t it ironic, don’t cha think?” I have mentioned it on this blog many times before, but I’ll write it again just for you. You really owe it to yourself to check out the usinkorea.org website. It is an important website. Everything on it is true and factual. I know because most of the events documented on the website have happened since I have been here. Why, even President Noh is a well-known anti-American activist. Matt, you’ll find an excellent article about crime statistics “committed” by USFK members on the website. (I hope it’s still there.) Someone else on this blog (Ponta or Mika, I think) posted a link to another excellent website documenting anti-US hate here in South Korea (Good work, whomever that was.). Unfortunately, I can’t seem to remember where it is, so you’ll have to do some searching. Takeshima, you are absolutely correct in your response to JH. A lot of Koreans have never met a single US soldier. It’s not because they can’t meet a US soldier, it’s because they choose not to do so. There are a suprising number of US soldiers, like myself, who do go out and visit COEX Mall, Myeongdong, or Namdaemun Market with the hope of meeting the locals on the slightest of social levels. I used to go out of my way to meet Koreans to show them that not all American soldiers are culturally ignorant, sex-crazed drunks. Now, I could care less. Matt, you are also correct about the attitudes of USFK soldiers. Who wants to defend a country where you are considered to be public enemy number one? Finally, someone like Senator Clinton (OMG!!!) is starting to ask the hard questions about South Korea (At last!!!).

    Finally, I didn’t know that the largest group of Asian-Americans in the US Army were Koreans. Actually, that’s not to much of a surprise really. Who wants to be drafted into the ROK Army (see my post to Victor on the subject) when one can join the US Army, volunteer to come to Korea, and get paid a heck of a lot more money than a KATUSA will ever make? The answer is not many. JH, do you know what KATUSAs call Koreans who join the US Army and then come to Korea? KATUSAs refer to them as “kimchi GIs”. It’s the truth.

    JH, Takeshima, and Matt, did you guys know that one of the most decorated US military units from WWII was made up of Japanese-Americans? It’s a fact. They were only allowed to serve in Europe. Gambatte!!!

    Lastly, the first person to win the Congressional Medal of Honor from my home state of New Mexico was a Japanese-American from Gallup. He spent a good portion of the Korean War as North Korean prisoner of war. Since he was both Japanese and a member of the US Army, I’m sure he took a lot of torturing from the North Koreans during his captivity.

    Sorry about the length of this post. I’ll try to keep the next post short and to the point.

    Yongsan Garrison, Seoul
    Former Home of the Japanese 20th Infantry Division

  12. comment number 12 by: takeshima


    Please use paragraphs.

    Brilliant stuff. Coreans like JH really only care about the fact that they are coreans and are number one in the yankee military this or that. The bottom line is that they quickly hate america at the first opportunty. JH, calls himself corean and american as if they are the same. Fact is that, to anybody who is not kyopo, corea is just some nation. Not important. JH loves corea.

    JH, would you put a round in the head of another corean? I am not seperating NK and SK, because corea is corea. Just answer if you would put a round in the head of one of your ‘blood’. I know how much you seem to hate yankee GI. But without being tricky, would you shoot a corean. south and north.

    Victor, I would ask you the same question.. but…

  13. comment number 13 by: takeshima

    Chris, just rembember, JH who yells that coreans are somehow more patriotic the others… may share a foxhole with you.

    I think that most yankee naturally trust anybody in the yankee uniform. But they dont undersand corean ‘blood’. Just ask vic and JH. The bottom line is that those guys at the end of the day are corean. and yankees like chris or matt(not a yankee but its not importnat to coreans) will be shot by their corean ‘friends” at the first opportunity.

    Amy I wrong? would you shoot your blood b4 your ‘country’?

  14. comment number 14 by: chewbacca

    “The reason why Koreans are so sick of the American troop presence is the attitude of the soldiers there. I am a Korean and I am an American soldier. I know what goes on there.”

    Please elaborate on this J.H we would really like to know your obvious educated opinion on this!!!??

  15. comment number 15 by: Chris


    Thanks. You’re right. I should have used paragraphs. The next time I write a long post, I will use paragraphs.

    Yongsan Garrison, Seoul
    Former Home of the Japanese 20th Infantry Division

  16. comment number 16 by: dogbert

    Just to inform you, that the largest group of Asians that are in the U.S. military are Koreans.

    More than Filipinos?

    Anyway, kudos to the many brave Korean-Americans in the U.S. military. But it remains a fact that a stated reason for very many Korean citizens to send their children overseas is to allow them to avoid mandatory military service in Korea.

  17. comment number 17 by: usinkoera

    GIs go to other countries and all they want to do is drink beer and have sex with the women…

    …gee…..sounds like young men (and women) in every country I’ve been too or really heard about.

    20 somethings drinking alcohol and having raging hormonoes. Who would have thunk it?

    I guess the Korean young adults don’t spend much time going to bars and trying to pick up babes…

    Or, is it OK because it is their country?

  18. comment number 18 by: JH

    aren’t you being a little harsh here? I’m not some random idiot Korean troll that trots along trying to bash this site. Sure, I got a bit offended and off-taken by the contents of this site in the beginning, but if you read my post after my first one, I said that I shouldn’t be pointing fingers at Matt nor anyone of of you guys for what some idiots have done. This site actually has opened my eyes, and made me accept the truth on some of the ugly parts of Korea. Yes, I blamed us soldiers for the reason Koreans are Anti-American. But that’s on the facts of my experience and the experiences of other soldiers that were stationed there.

    And screw you for questioning my loyalty to my country. I may be proud of being Korean, but don’t you ever dare to question my loyalty to the U.S. I was born an American and was raised an American. I have already shed blood for this nation, and will continue to defend it. And yes, I am willing to shoot a Korean if I have to. I hate everyone Communist bastard that’s in the North, even though through history, my family name originates from Pyongyang. I will shoot a Korean (NORTH OR SOUTH) that tries to threaten me, my friends, my family, and my country. I have never hesitated when it came to putting a bullet into someone because to me an enemy is an enemy. It doesn’t matter if they are Korean, American, Iraqi, etc. Why would I hate a GI if I am one myself?

    I’m probably be wrong on many of the things I’ve said, but I just based them off what people told me in Korea. Also, many soldiers I’ve been with have told me themselves about their experiences being stationed there. I was not stationed in Korea even though I was offered a 20,000 bonus to be an interpreter, but I turned down the retention officer. I know that many Koreans look down on kyopos like me who served, but to tell you the truth, I haven’t had any negative experience during the times I visited Korea. I told people flat out I was a soldier in the United States Army and they just thought it was cool. Hell, I even wore my Class-A’s and toured the DMZ!

    I read about the largest group of Asian-Americans in service being Korean at the DFAC in Fort Benning during Asian-Pacific Islander History month crap, where they post those history facts all over the place, while waiting in line. Also, your comments have been sorta offensive because, we Korean-AMERICANS can’t get drafted into the ROK Army because we are American citizens (unless they are dual citizens), so it doesn’t really matter if we join or not. And like I said before, I didn’t take that offer to be an interpreter. I didn’t get any bonuses at all when I even signed up for infantry. Hell, I didn’t sign up for the money at all. I joined right after 9/11 to offer my services. So did many of my Kyopo friends, who have or are deployed to Iraq.

    Yes I know about the 442nd 100th Bttn. Do you know who was one of the COs in it? Col. Young-Oak Kim, who still lives today running Japanese-American War memorials in Little Tokyo. I’m not trying to bolster here that Koreans are so high and mighty in the military. I’m just trying to point out that we, like the Nisei, are in the military trying to prove to the nation that we’re loyal citizens, just like Col. Young-Oak Kim and Senator Daniel Ken Inouye who still keeps in touch with Col. Kim (Ret.) and trying to recommand Kim for the Medal of Honor.

    Chris, I’m sorry if you ever had any negative experiences there in Korea. If I ever ran into you, I would’ve thanked you for your services in protecting our nation and Korea. I hope you run into people who see a more positive light on the soldiers there and the sacrifices our nation has made for them.

    Oh and Chris, was that Nisei from New Mexico Sgt. Hiroshi Miyamura? He was one of my inspiration when I saw a mural dedicated to him at Fort Benning.

    BTW, I’m stationed at the NTC.

    Like I stated above, many natural born Korean-Americans didn’t choose to come to America. And as American citizens, we had no worry about being drafted into the Korean military. I know that many send their children overseas to avoid the draft, but would my parents have signed that paper when I was 17 years old to allow me to join the Army if they came to American to have me avoid the draft? My dad later told me he was proud of me. He was a ROK Ranger back in the days.

    Oh and throughout my service, I noticed there were a whole lotta Filipinos in the military, so I questioned the statistics. I think it was specifically referring to the Army and I heard largest group in the Navy are Filipinos. My theory was that Filipinos didn’t consider themselves Asians. I noticed on a lot of forms I filled out, that Filipinos had their own separate category from Asian-Pacific Islander. Don’t ask me why…

    Ok so I don’t KNOW KNOW the situation because I was not stationed there. I have over-exaggerated on what I know, but I was still basing them off from what I heard from fellow soldiers that were stationed there (and it’s not just one or two people) and my experiences visiting Korea and talking to relatives and other people I’ve assocciated with.

  19. comment number 19 by: JH

    It must also be hard for the young soldiers there knowing that not only are they hated and unwelcome, but they are also expected to fight and die for people that hate them if war comes. Part of the bad attitude from USFK soldiers you are talking about could very well be coming from that.

    I understand what it’s like to be them because when I went to Iraq, I felt like I needed to do my part to help the Iraqis live a better life. I never supported the war and such, but it was too late, I was already there. So, I felt I should’ve kept doing my duty and try to help those people. I have been repeatedly engaged, lost friends, been injured myself, and taken lives and yet, I do not have any hatred toward the Iraqis, even if many of them detest our presence there.

    If I can do that, then those in USFK should take their heads out of their ass and move on instead of having bad attitudes to the locals. Anti-American troops presence is not only in Korea, people. Same goes for Germany and Japan. For Okinawa, the force presence has been cut in half.

    People, I’m not saying its the crime statistics that cause Anti-American sentiments, so stop shoving those links in my face. We as Americans, come into other countries feeling like high and mighty people, because that’s how we Americans are. I don’t speak for all troops, but I have felt that way many times myself. Sometimes, I didn’t give a shit about other country’s culture. I smoked and ate outside during Ramadan and showed the sole’s of my feet when Arabs find that offensive.

    All humans will always have this stereotype within themselves knowing that somehow that are better than the other person. We’re not trying to boast about it and be all mean and stuff, but it’s just our nature. Sometimes, when it comes to national issues, we may feel more superior to those that we occupy, especially since we’re the most powerful nation in the world.

  20. comment number 20 by: Selected Asian Nations

    Welfare queen, Historical amnesia, Ingrate

    Do you call them Swindlers?

  21. comment number 21 by: Malaclypse


    I thought that was pretty relevant to this post…

  22. comment number 22 by: qbe9584

    JH: fight the good fight. Korea isn’t perfect, and it has its warts, but what country doesn’t? Nobody is killing anyone on the streets, they’re just having distasteful coffee klatches. Life is good.

    Takeshima hasn’t got a leg to stand on when it comes to questioning an individual’s loyalty to his country by association of ethnicity. In fact, Takeshima’s logic is a direct lift of a German brand of antisemitism in the 1930’s: “What country does the Jew truly serve? Would he fight another Jew? How can they be faithful to our country, when they aren’t truly German…?” etc.

    As for the use of history as a mythlogy of the wronged, that happens in a lot of places. Historical investigation should be as dispationate as possible. I would like to get some more information on the topic of the Japanese occupation. Are there any recommendations on books?

  23. comment number 23 by: takeshima

    Godwins law qbe9584

    The fact is that JH, will say what ever he wants on the internet. But perhaps he would defend the USA. Who knows, in my opinion, i doubt it. coreans faught against americans in two wars. The Americans paid for coreans troops in vietnam and the coreans didnt lift a finger in gulf war one, in gulf war two they play nintendo. I think if there was a second corean war, there would be a lot of dead GIs from their pals like JH.

  24. comment number 24 by: JH

    You’re full of it Takeshima. First of all, the damn link leads to an empty article. Nice proof.

    Whatever that article is, Godwin or whoever cannot truly prove my loyalty to a nation. your opinion is BS, because you don’t know me, and I highly doubt you’re an American yourself. Even if you were a citizen, it’s pretty obvious you were not born here like I was. Just like the great Japanese-American soldiers who served in the 442nd, I was born a second generation American in this country. The nisei were not known for only figthing the Germans in the European theater but many were attached to units in the Pacific to fight their own people.

    The last war when Koreans fought against Americans was by the North Koreans. I am a descendant of South Koreans, who deeply oppose communists and are loyal to the U.S. which is why they MOVED here.

    I don’t understand why you’re constantly pointing fingers at Koreans for being anti-American or for causing the death of Americans. Don’t forget that the Japanese, which I’m expecting is you, have caused even more deaths to the Americans in the Second World War. Korean forces might not be doing much, but they at least one of the largest contributors to the coalition despite the anger back home. I’ve met Japanese soldiers during a patrol in Iraq and they weren’t doing jack either.

    People like you just incite hate among others. All I want is for everyone to try to get along. You’re just full of hate and I feel sorry for you. I never directly attacked you in anyway in the beginning, yet you, who don’t know me, start expecting me to be some stereotypical Korean. I am and individual and an American. So go screw yourself and the other haters out there, because in a situation such as volatile as between Korea and Japan, your ass ain’t needed in this world.

  25. comment number 25 by: takeshima

    Sounds like you are full of hate yourself JH. Perhaps you should listen to your commander in cheif

    “Look, I understand that there is great tension as a result of some events that took place in the past,” Bush said. “The United States and Japan at one time were sworn enemies. And now here we are sitting down as friends.

    “It’s possible to forget the past,” said Bush, 59, whose father, former President George H.W. Bush, was shot down over the Pacific as a fighter pilot during World War II. “It’s difficult, but it is possible.”

    By thw way, the link wasnt for you but for GHB234, and it said:

    Godwin’s law
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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    Godwin’s law (also Godwin’s rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

    As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.
    Although the law does not specifically mention it, there is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. This tradition is more widely known than the original law, and there is some considerable confusion between the two. Godwin’s law practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups who follow the tradition.

    It is considered poor form to arbitrarily raise such a comparison with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely-recognized codicil that any such deliberate invocation of Godwin’s law will be unsuccessful.

  26. comment number 26 by: Chris

    Wow!!! Look at this!!!

    After Senator Clinton started to ask hard questions about South Korea’s hatred toward the United States, the South Korean government is going to spend approximately $1.2 million and hire an American PR firm to spread South Korean propaganda that everything is A OK about US-South Korean relations. Here is the link.

    Sorry, President Noh, I’m not fooled nor am I impressed.

    Yongsan Garrison, Seoul
    Former HQ of the Japanese 20th Infantry Division in Korea

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