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Shimane Prefecture Takeshima Research Group crushes Dokdo myth

December 4th, 2006 . by Matt

The Youtube videos below are of the Shimane Prefecture Takeshima Research Group going to Ulleungdo to investigate Korean documents claiming that Korea knew about and controlled Dokdo/Takeshima before 1905. You will clearly see the group investigate the claims and crush them point by point with their boat tour around Ulleungdo. You will also see impossible, baseless claims at the Dokdo museum. The show also gives heavy coverage to the opposing Korean researchers. The TV show is quite long, and in several parts. Unfortunately it is not possible for me to translate it, but perhaps a reader will kindly translate the most important parts of it.

Another blow to the Dokdo myth.


13 Responses to “Shimane Prefecture Takeshima Research Group crushes Dokdo myth”

  1. comment number 1 by: pacifist

    Thanks Matt,

    This is an interesting program.

    A group of Japanese investigators, including Prof. Shimojo, visited Ulleungdo and Busan to see that Usando was Chukudo, not Takeshima/Dokdo.

    Later, they had a conference with Korean scholars for 2 hours, although it was put to be a unofficial conference by Korean scholars’ request. (It seems that they would be accused if they had such conference officially with Japanese scholars.)
    It was hard to see the point of agreement between the two groups, but I think it was a worthwhile work. These constructive attitude should be needed for the friendship betweeen the two countries.

    A Korean scholar strongly insisted that Yozaburo Nakai recognized that Liancour rocks (Takeshima/Dokdo) to be Korean territory. Then, the program disclosed an evidence that Nakai misunderstood about it.

    The program introduced a book called “中井養三郎立志伝” (a biography of Yozaburo Nakai) written by a man who talked to Nakai in 1906.
    In the book, Nakai told the author that he misunderstood that Liancourt rocks (Takeshima/Dokdo) to be Korean territory because he saw a chart called “朝鮮全岸” (all the coast sof Chosun). Actually, the chart included Liancourt rocks.

    But the chart was made to make the ships safely sail when they were going near Korean coasts, not to declare the territory. A magazine “朝鮮水路誌” (Chosun waterway magazine), which was published simultaneously with the chart also said that it was made only to make ships safe voyages.

    Then, the program disclosed that Nakai asked the author of the chart, Kinetsuki, what country Liancourt rocks belonged. Kinetsuki answered that it didn’t belong to any countries. So Nakai recognised in the end that he misunderstood about it.

    I hope that this will be a beginning of the true friendship and understanding of the two countries.

  2. comment number 2 by: Gerry-Bevers

    I wish I could understand Japanese.

  3. comment number 3 by: sqz

    すごい。LinuxでもYouTubeが見れる。
    って、関係ない話は置いといて、

    Later, they had a conference with Korean scholars for 2 hours, although it was put to be a unofficial conference by Korean scholars’ request. (It seems that they would be accused if they had such conference officially with Japanese scholars.)
    It was hard to see the point of agreement between the two groups, but I think it was a worthwhile work. These constructive attitude should be needed for the friendship betweeen the two countries.

    何故、非難されるのか不思議だ。
    It is mystery.
    Why would they be accused?


    Students to Promote Dokdo Sovereignty in 23 Countries

    こいつらはどうなんだろう?
    Were Dokdo Riders accused?

  4. comment number 4 by: ponta

    Japanese side and Korean side had an unofficial conference……Korean side demanded it should be unofficial because if it is official, the Korean researchers would be criticized by Korean society.

    Korean side is basically saying that Dokdo belongs to Ulleungdo province because Dokdo is near Ullenungo just as Chukdo is near Dokdo.
    Simojo counter-argues that then by the same token, Tsushima belongs to Ullengudo province, which is absurd.

    Another claim is that as Pacifist explained nicely, that Nakai , an private fisherman, at first thought Dokdo belonged to Korea based on the chart he saw. Therefore Japan considered Dokdo as Korean territory. (As everyone know on this blog, Nakai eventually changed this belief and held that Dokdo belonged to no country and recommended the local government to declare the title)
    A Japanese professor explains that the Chart is for the safety traffic on the sea.(You must know where the rock is) Chosun Chart is for the safety traffic near Chosun, it does not mean the islands on the map legally belongs to Korea.

    Korean side claims that Japanese claim is filled with misinterpretations.
    In 1900, Korea clearly declared Dokdo as Korean territory. why can’t they understand it.?(Because it is Seokto)

    In Dokdo museum, Simojou asked why Samurai (doll) was on this island. which was impossible. The young Korean researcher emotionally said,, “did you actually see Samurai was not there, did you actually see that??!!” (this kind of reaction appears childish in Japanese eye, but it might be a matter of cultural difference)

    And Ahn yonbok. TV program does not mention the detail of dispute: Korean side claims that Ahn defended Dokdo by getting the grant
    to the title of Dokdo from Japan, Japan has no such record.(though, there are other documents concerning Ahn—-Oh I wish Gerry wrote about the incident of Ahn). In Korea: Ahn is a hero Korea built the shrine for him. (Wow!!),Korea spends enormous amount of money on Dokdo.

    In Ullengdo, there is an observatory where you are supposed to view Dokdo in a clear day. A camera zoom up in the direction of Dokdo.(I saw nothing…..maybe it was a cloudy day?)

    In Korea, the central government, the local government, private companies, civilians…..all of them participate the movement for the title, while in Japan even the central government does almost nothing,,,,when Abe met Roh, there was no talk about Dokdo.
    …………………………………………………………………………………….
    I think Shimane prefecture should employ Gerry.

    Pacifist
    this was an excellent post. Good job!!

  5. comment number 5 by: helical

    In the end Shimojou (Simojou?) mentioned that while there’s so much passion and enthusiasm for ‘defending Dokdo’ in Korea, resulting in a whole lot of exhibits to support and explain the claim that Takeshima is Korean territory, there isn’t anything like that in Japan — both in the interest level of the population and actual things like museums.
    He says that even if a corner of a building somewhere was devoted to exhibiting facts and presenting the argument for the Japanese side, then it would quicken the understanding of Koreans for the Japanese argument.

    I agree … Japan needs the government to actively present their argument and support the claim with well-researched facts instead of just “expressing concern and dissatisfaction” whenever Korea makes a ruckus about the islands belonging to them.

    The impression I got from the video was that the Koreans don’t seem to even want to understand the Japanese arguments, or that they properly understand the meaning of debating. Of course the makers of the video could have an agenda to make them look childish by highlighting things such as the reaction to the “samurai on Takeshima”. But I think it would be safe to say, judging by the interviews after the conference, and words spoken by them themselves, that they’ve already made up their minds and aren’t even willing to listen to what the Japanese researchers have to say.
    One Korean researcher was saying “The Japanese researchers always start by denying our position…” (6:00 2/4), which is absurd even to consider as something to complain. The whole reason they are there is because they’re disagreeing on who owns the island. If they aren’t there to point out things which they believe the other side has wrong, then there’s no point in even being there. I wonder if he was hoping the Japanese went all the way there just to pat them on the back and tell them the Koreans were right all along.

  6. comment number 6 by: pacifist

    I think it was impressive that Korean scholars said (about the difference of the location of Usando in the old books and in the Dokdo Museum) “It is a small thing, why do Japanese stick to such a small thing?”

    …..small thing? Yes, it may seems to be small but its meaning is not small.
    I’m afraid that Korean scholars lack in scientific way of thinking.

    But anyway, such conferences would be needed. I hope they will continue to have such conferences in the future.

    P.S. Thanks ponta for your nice comment. I always respect your great postings.

  7. comment number 7 by: tomato

    Yeah, General Ahn alright…when did that guy become a general?

    All this is worse than Roswell and alien abduction stories. Quite similar to lies that N Koreans propagate about how great general Kim defeated the Japanese and then the Americans. I bet as long as S Koreans endulge themselves in these nationalist nonsense moonshine myths, there must be limits to their economic and social progress…just like their brothers up North.

  8. comment number 8 by: ub

    > I think it was impressive that Korean scholars said (about the difference of the location
    > of Usando in the old books and in the Dokdo Museum) “It is a small thing, why do Japanese
    > stick to such a small thing?”
    >
    Koreans, Chinese, and liberal Japanese often use the technique to make essential issues trivialize and to mock critics as if they chase up a nonsense issues

    Nanking massacre is the famous case.

    In the case of nanking massacre,Chinese goverment “officially” states 300 thousands of victims are killed by japanese military in the nanking massacre. But the scholars, who claim hundred of thousands of victims are killed in the massacre,have sometimes snubed the massacre denialers who deny the 300-thousands-killing. They have claimed that the victim number killed in nanking is a small thing and not an essense.

    Of course, I do not intend to discuss about the existance or nonexistance of such past issue. What I really mean to others is one and only. Koreans should improve such attitude to trivialeze an essential issues. Such an attitude will cause serious problem to Koreans. The attitude confuses both familiars and unfamiliars to Koreans and works out to only lose Korean trust. (In fact, familiars to Korean lies in this blog will never trusut korean claims.)

    ———-
    It is histrically clear that Koreans abducted japanese fishers, threatened Japan using the captives,
    and finally seize Takeshima/Dokuto replace of the captives and their life.

    http://toron.pepper.jp/jp/take/sengo/rachi.html

    I wonder why the korean goverment never express ther regret to Japan about the abduction and never return Takeshima/Dokuto to Japan, even though Korea demands apology to Japan for kidnapping of comfort women,

  9. comment number 9 by: ponta

    Samsung is great

    Americans who can’t tell the difference between Japanese and Korean companies most likely won’t recognize Mt. Fuji.

    Americans who know Japan most likely recognize Fujiyma.

    Must a Korean company come out and state that they are based in Korea

    No it does not have to.
    If Samsung wanted to appeal that it is based on Korea, it might have used Kimchi as a background.

    Saumsung is a great, and it is a smart company.

    Samsung indirectly used the brand-name of “Japan” to sell its product just as “Starpreya is using the brand name of “Starbucks. I think that is basically what people are saying here.Sadae-ideolgy pays..

    Anyway I think Samsung is great. There is no problem with Korea being proud of it.

    I will just assume that it is constructive criticism and that everyone wants Korea to get better like japan
    I don’t think people want Korea to do that.
    I want Korea to forget Japan. Just forget it. Please forget it. Please run newspaper without mentioning Japan.
    Korea has USA as a new target of the hatred, so Japan is not necessary anymore. Please, please forget it.

    Every time Korea mentions comfort women, Korean has a great tradition similar to comfort station that is still present today. Japan apologized for it while Korea ignores its own problem. I am tired of saying that.

    Every time Korea mentions Japanese atrocity, I have to mention Korean atrocity. Japan apologized while Korea ignores its own problem. I am tired of doing that .

    Every time Korea points out the Japanese mismatch of action and the word of apology, I have to say that Japan put the word into action by not invading other country, by trying to protect human rights, Korea does not even utter the word of apology and Korea invaded other country andkeep ignoring the breach of the human right. I am tired of doing that.

    Just forget Japan, start being self -critical. keep going your way.

  10. comment number 10 by: kyopou.s.

    yes, Samsung, LG, I-River, mobiBlue, Daewoo electronics are superb. I don’t own any Japanese products at all. even cars at all. But korean society is severly WRONG and outdated. the President and politicians really need to see a psychiatrist. Koreans need to know what prozac, zoloft, paxil, zanax, valium and so on. Koreans are always mad. why? koreans also need to know what a garbage can.

    listen up koreans, i am a korean-american. i just want to restructure korea. korean mentality is severely outdated. It’s not just white people that are native English speakers.

    so listen up koreans,

    pali pali is wrong! that’s why everything breaks in korea.

    koreans, clean up your beaches. it’s filled with trash everywhere. it’s a fucking dump.

    koreans, don’t think bi is a superstar in the U.S. becasue he isn’t. He looks like a total full.

    koreans, do you know that you are being brainwashed?

    koreans, put the fucking garbage in the fucking garbage can.

    koreans, learn that your country has a extremely bad reputation..

    koreans, your politicians make President Bush look smart.

    koreans, if you have so much energy, clean up the garbage all over the country since it’s so dirty.

    koreans, learn the meaning of democracy.

    korean guys, you’re high ego is just garbage. nobody even cares about korea in the world or even knows about it. korea has a bad reputation.

  11. comment number 11 by: kyopou.s.

    also, koreans, you can never beat Japan.. do you knowo why? because korea is a very dirty country.

    also, i made a spelling error.. bi looks like a total fool.

    listen up koreans, learn what a garbage can is..

    also koreans, please see a psychiatrist..

    koreans, please legalize marijuana in your country. koreans really need it.

  12. comment number 12 by: Matt

    also, koreans, you can never beat Japan.. do you knowo why? because korea is a very dirty country.

    also, i made a spelling error.. bi looks like a total fool.

    listen up koreans, learn what a garbage can is..

    also koreans, please see a psychiatrist..

    koreans, please legalize marijuana in your country. koreans really need it.

    You are rapidly cruising towards banning.

  13. comment number 13 by: Fantasy

    Kyopou.S., whether he is Korean or not, seems to be mentally retarded. Therefore he should, for his own good, be prevented from further making a fool of himself on this blog – and hopefully elsewhere, as well.