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Thanks, Oppa

October 23rd, 2007 . by Matt

The other day I met a girl that had just arrived in Sydney. She found shared accommodation in a place with 6 Korean guys and 2 other Korean girls. On her first day in Sydney, the first piece of advice her Korean male flatmates gave her was “don’t date Australian guys” – all 6 of them. Just in case that it might lead to dating, she was also told not to meet Australian guys. The reasons were that Australians were bad, untrustworthy, insincere, treated Korean girls badly etc.

She told me about this but I can’t say I am shocked because every single Korean girl is told exactly the same thing. As far as I know there are no Australians telling people not to date Korean men or giving reasons as to why they should be singled out as uniquely immoral or bad. Yet there seems to be a whole movement in Sydney among Koreans (especially Korean men) that want to racially slander Australians as a somehow morally and ethically inferior people.

As an Australian that can speak Korean, I have long regretted that understanding Korean means that I have to know the degree of contempt that we are held in by Korean immigrants and foreign students (the foreign students don’t matter though because they return to Korea – the immigrants are here forever). If the average Australian were able to understand this kind of thinking, they certainly would not be so enthusiastic about Korean immigration, and certainly would not consider Korean immigrants a ‘model minority’.

Are the morals and ethics of Korean men so good that they look down from their pedestals and pass judgment? I don’t think so. It is hypocrisy, pure and simple. If they could date Australian girls, they would, but they can’t so they have to make sure Korean girls are tightly controlled and corralled. It is the fear of mating competition, and despite protestations, the fact that a great many Australian men are sincere, kind, trustworthy, and would treat Korean girls with respect.

The funny thing is that warning the girls off meeting Australian (“foreigners”) doesn’t even work. It just makes girls want to find out if it is true or not, and the only way they can do that is to interact with Australians.

Update: I was with a friend and three Korean girls this morning in a 24 hour Korean restaurant and when one of the girls went to the toilet she was followed by a Korean guy who intercepted her and told her not to meet foreign guys. When she got back she told the other girls what happened (and by default us too, since my friend and I both speak Korean). I can’t say I was surprised, and neither was my friend, who has experienced similar things many times. One mitigating fact for the ‘oppa’ is that he was obviously very drunk.

313 Responses to “Thanks, Oppa”

  1. comment number 1 by: Sweet Water

    Kjeff says,

    Exchange Japan with Korea, and you got a new thread…

    Why not? Suppose you called Japan as a barbarous country, would Jenny/Justice accuse you as racist exactly in the same manner as she did GarlicBreath? We’ll see.

  2. comment number 2 by: kjeff

    302 and counting,
    When you feel is tough being white…
    Also, watch similar videos, they’re all hilarious…

  3. comment number 3 by: justice

    “Why not? Suppose you called Japan as a barbarous country, would Jenny/Justice accuse you as racist exactly in the same manner as she did GarlicBreath? We’ll see.”

  4. comment number 4 by: General Tiger


    Apotheosis of the self. That is Korea. As a Korean friend described it to me, the bullying culture of Korea operates on a simple premise; “Surrender or die.”

    A question: is the bullying culture of other countries any different?

  5. comment number 5 by: Errol

    # General Tiger Says:
    November 4th, 2007 at 6:05 pm

    is the bullying culture of other countries any different?

    The antecedents of Korean bullying are different. The lack of natural resources creating a zero sum mindset and culture of revenge when a new ruler can only enrich himself by impoverishing everyone else.
    The vicious paybacks of spurned lovers to female counterparts. cf Oh Hyeon-kyoung, Baek Ji-young, Ok So-ri, and now Ivy.
    Male on male, female on female, male on female and even female on male. In China and the rest of the world, if you lose something the place is big enough to try again. In Korea, the loss of face results in unbearable hwabyoung.

    But the Oppa Pack mentality? Your point being that it’s akin to a lynch mob, nigger hunt mentality that exists in other cultures? I agree with that observation with an additional observation. The man who stands up to the bully is celebrated in western culture from the Spartans (and their helots) at Thermopylae to Shane to Gordon Brown.
    But in Korea kowtowing is the way to get ahead and if you wait long enough to become a seonbae you will also get ahead.
    Its better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

  6. comment number 6 by: oranckay

    I would like to suggest you write these oppas a guidebook to Aussie women.

    If not, perhaps you could recommend: _How to Date a White Woman: A Practical Guide for Asian Men_
    by Adam Quan

  7. comment number 7 by: Errol

    Very droll oranckay.
    The Oppa Pack behaviour is based on a mindset that treats women like chattels. Major reform of Korea’s social system is required before that will change.
    Romantic: Like the Romans. The only ancient culture where women were allowed to independently own and inherit property. Independent means allowed them to choose male partners based on love.
    Pragmatic: Both jk and sumo have made numerous mentions (on The Marmot’s Hole and The Lost Nomad) of Korean women chasing them for their money. To the credit of both these Korean-Americans they preferred romanticism to pragmatism.

  8. comment number 8 by: Errol

    Ooh, the irony. High school girl blows off oppa, Gangnam style.
    Not to be confused with the at Marmot’s Hole. full salon rumpus room
    For those who read Korean here is oppa in all his glory.
    200 clubs in Gangnam alone. St kjeff is that a stereotype or a generalisation?

  9. comment number 9 by: Errol

    Thanks in advance nuna!
    Looks like the suburban Korean women in Australia are going to elect a woman to oust the prime minister.
    Now the heat can be turned on the oppa packs that roam inner Sydney by the suburban Koreans who value women as people not as chattels.
    Quote from male suburban Korean: “The Korean community is emerging into the middle class. House ownership is around 60 per cent and with six interest rate rises they are finding it harder to pay their mortgages. I think they are satisfied that Labor will provide a stable government and so it is OK to make change.”

  10. comment number 10 by: Errol

    Another secret member of the Oppa Pack. Mr Byeon Yang-kyoon!

    At least that’s what he’s called in the vernacular version of the Joongang Ilbo.

    (검찰) 문자메시지에서 ‘오빠’라고 지칭한 인물이 변 전 실장이 맞습니까?

    (신씨) “네.”

    But Oppa didn’t make it to the English version.


    No thanks to oppa but thanks to Korea’s Finest.

  11. comment number 11 by: Errol

    Obba? The rather curious spelling that the Donga Ilbo uses for members of the Oppa Pack. First Shin Jeong-ah ‘fesses up to calling Byeong Yang=-kyoon in the morning session with the prosecutors.
    When asked whether “Obba (brother)” in her text messages online using one of the mobile numbers from November 2004 to January 2005 refers to Byeon, Shin answered in the affirmative.
    In the afternoon Byeon confesses to being the oppa in question.
    Byeon said, “Yes, but I don’t remember the number.” Byeon said, “I stored her mobile number on the phone and gave it a quick dial setting. I did not use the phone for reasons other than calling her.” He also said that he received her text messages calling him “Obba.”
    And in Gangnam they sing it tonight
    Obba-di obba-da life goes on without a bra
    Lala, how the life goes on
    Obba-di obba-da life goes on without pants or bra
    Lala, Oppa life goes on

  12. comment number 12 by: HanComplex

    LOL, Errol.

    By the way, have you heard the news of the popular Australian gal on K-TV who’s engaged to a Korean guy?
    I’ll leave you to comment on that one. 😉

  13. comment number 13 by: Errol

    Of more concern to the Oppa Pack Mr HanComplex is how they are going to deal with an Australian woman like Penny Wong.

    Australian Labor Party politician Penelope Ying-yen “Penny” Wong (Chinese: 黃英賢; pinyin: Huáng Yīngxián, born November 5, 1968) is the current and first Australian Minister for Climate Change. She has been a member of the Australian Senate since 2002, representing South Australia. Wong is the first openly gay member, and the first Asia-born member, of the Australian Cabinet.