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The blame game

January 11th, 2007 . by Matt

A funny “Korean problem solving chart”, brought to my attention by commenter Aki.

flow chart korean

It is funny because it is true.


95 Responses to “The blame game”

  1. comment number 1 by: koreanmaster

    please stay on topic

  2. comment number 2 by: koreanmaster

    or just LEAVE

    *rofl*

  3. comment number 3 by: koreanmaster

    or just keep on with anti-korean prejudices. very informative!

  4. comment number 4 by: tomato

    Two Cents:

    I don’t think Star Wars is as simple as that. Since any jedi can succumb to the dark side and that the Empire was formerly a democratic republic, I think it’s about the evil among all of us…after looking at all the episodes, do you think Darth Vader was pure evil?

    I’m rather alarmed by the similarity between the Zeon and Nazi Germany in Gundam I don’t think the cry of “Sieg Zeon” will be taken well in the West. I also fail to see how the war begun in the first place.

    Just one comment from a Star Wars fan.

  5. comment number 5 by: GarlicBreath

    I am really offended by that person koreamaster. But more to the point. People who leave a three word comment and one that serves no purpose like this

    koreanmaster Said:

    January 12, 2007 at 9:09 am

    or just LEAVE

    *rofl*

    koreanmaster Said:

    January 12, 2007 at 9:09 am

    please stay on topic

    This is clearly just trolling. Posting shit over and over is troll bait.

  6. comment number 6 by: polysics

    LAME,
    you guys are all idiots.get over the fact that koreans hate you the fact that u whites love to fuck their women. get over the fact that koreans arnt original, and are full of so much KP bullshit. I dont know who is more insecure, you asian fetished morons on you insecure koreans.

  7. comment number 7 by: wjk

    there’s a good movie out in the US, and Clint Eastwood made it.

    Letters from Iwo Jima. Blood and Sand. Roger Ebert gave it 4 out of 4 stars.

    I usually trust Roger’s opinion, because he proves himself to be one of the best.

    I’m not so vindictive towards the Japanese like you would think. I’m pretty reasonable, I think.

    Anyway, I agree with one of the posters above that Gundam indirectly celebrates fascism, and you’ll have to be willing to give a lot of leeway to say that they’re not making Reich/SS/German army styles look cool. Star Wars is more clear cut.

  8. comment number 8 by: claire

    Matt,
    Please tell me that you find CHONKO offensive and ban him.

    Here is a direct quote of his nonsense:

    Nice try, Gookmaster! But how in the world is anyone going to believe you when it is a commonly known fact that gooks lack the intelligence or originality to start anything of their own. Copying other countries and lying about the origin is probably the most defining characteristic of Korean culture. Give me a break…gooks can’t anything positive even today….they just whore themselves and rip off other countries knowledge and claim it as their own. Typical sneaky and dirty Korean tactic.

    Ponta:

    I am sick and tired of some of Korean craps about Japan.

    I know this is the frustration with a lot of you here. But you know what is interesting is that this site was brought to my attention through YouTUbe. Almost any video regarding korea had a nasty derogative (unrelated to the video) comment posted by a few japanese people. Many of them linked this site and hence my first impression of this site. I didn’t know that so many japanese people had this kind of sentiment towards koreans. I can somewhat understand the frustration on both sides but you have to admit a lot of instigation comes from the japanese as well (its obvious on YouTUbe). there is a lot of “crapping” going around everywhere. it doesn’t make sense for you to go and make more crap as well? does it?

    My father and I got into an argument once. We didn’t talk for about a week and later he told me he was sorry. He said that when he was younger he was open to different perspectives and that his thoughts were very fluid. When he got older he became more stubborn and only his thoughts counted, he was afraid of change. Now why am I saying this? I know a lot of you guys here are as old as my dad (i e Gerry Bevers) and suffer from the turmoils that come with age (balding, beer belly, less women are attracted to you, no one listens to you, blah blah blah) But, like my dad, you guys are also stuck in a general perspective and refuse to look at things in a different light. I know i know, koreans are like that too yadda yadda, but I’m refering to you guys here that are acting this way as well. Many of you have never really had an OPEN and real conversation with two or more koreans, even if you thought you did you really didn’t because in your head you already have a set ideology of the general korean population and can’t get past that. THat goes the same for “anit-japanese” koreans as well. I am sure the general population of younger japanese kids are not like you guys (from what I see in my friends), and I know the younger korean generation is not hateful as well. BOth japanese and korean media goes out of their way to make the other look bad, but we all know that is a sad representation of either sides.

    Garlic breath:

    kakakkaka… so funny.. and SOOO TRUE… kakakakkak

    is this really THAT funny? btw did you find your divorcee ahjooma gf yet? 🙂

    hi fantasy! hope you and your korean wife had a happy new year.

    know this is off topic, but im only responding to the other posters, so if your going to criticize me, please criticize them as well.

  9. comment number 9 by: ponta

    wjk
    What you need to prove is that the Gundam as a whole indirectly celebrates fascism, and also that fascism is an essential part of Japanese culture. And it is the second part of proposition that is more controversial.

    And if you think SS army style Zion or whatever looked cool, that is your judgement.

    BTW I watched ” letters from Iwojima”. That was a really good movie.
    Clint Eastwood was fair in showing the battle from both sides. If only many Koreans learned to look at the history from different perspectives!

  10. comment number 10 by: claire

    koreanmaster,
    please refrain from the word jap, unlese you’re referring to “Jewish American Princesses” 🙂

  11. comment number 11 by: ponta

    Clare thanks.

    you have to admit a lot of instigation comes from the japanese as well

    Sure I admit that there are irrational Japanese who talks nonsense about Koreans. but at the same time there are Japanese who talk against them in Japanese society. There are no hate Korean education. The major newspaper does not instigate anti-Korean craps, Rather they are anti-anti-Koreans. They want to make Korean wave keep going.
    Look, Japanese were indifferent to Korea until recently . There had been scarcely anti-Korean wave in Japan, it was after Korean wave brought many
    Japanese attention to Korea that they realised horrible anti-Japan-ism , and the distortion of history were going on in Korea.

    there is a lot of “crapping” going around everywhere. it doesn’t make sense for you to go and make more crap as well? does it?

    there is a lot of crapping going around everywhere but there is also brake to that in Japan, but not in Korea as far as I know. And I don’t think this blog is making more crap. It continues to give another perspective, it keep on claiming what few Koreans dare to say.

    But, like my dad, you guys are also stuck in a general perspective and refuse to look at things in a different light. I know i know, koreans are like that too yadda yadda, but I’m referring to you guys here that are acting this way as well.

    I am willing to change my perspective if you give me sound argument.
    For instance , just show me the site that speaks against anti-Japan-ism in Korea?

    Many of you have never really had an OPEN and real conversation with two or more koreans, even if you thought you did you really didn’t because in your head you already have a set ideology of the general korean population and can’t get past that

    Am I ? I have made it clear again and again that there are many rational Koreans. Empraptor Chul soo, Nou, and the owner of Asia pages, etc….Do I have to change that opinion ?

    BOth japanese and korean media goes out of their way to make the other look bad,

    I don’t think Japanese media goes out of its way to make Korea look bad. On the contrary, many of newspaper go out of its way to make Korea look good.

    I’ll make no comment about Chonko, but you might want to refer to the opinion of another web master, Marmot.

    19 Robert Koehler from Korea (South)
    Posted August 29, 2006 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Frankly, I am getting VERY tired of all the predictable ethnic mudslinging and trolling. I’ll give the Hole another week before I replace it with another blog.

    A week, eh? Well, I better get cracking at producing some, ahem, highbrow “National Review”-quality material then, shouldn’t I?

    Damn, and I was enjoying the trash posting. Thanks for being a buzzkill link

    And look at Baduk on the thread.

    Matt has deleted racial slur and some insulting at the same time tried to keep the comment section open as much as possible , leaving some insulting comments about Gerry and Matt himself (and me and others—I don’t care about comment about me though)

  12. comment number 12 by: Matt

    Matt,
    Please tell me that you find CHONKO offensive and ban him.

    Here is a direct quote of his nonsense:

    He is gone.

  13. comment number 13 by: MarkA

    I’m laminating this chart and posting it to my personal bulletin board at my desk. I’ll let you know what our Korean liaison officers think of it by Wednesday.

  14. comment number 14 by: tomato

    Arguing that Japanese nationalism is the problem is just one example of the “blame-on-foreigners” stance…It’s amazing how some fail to see that ultranationalism is the mainstream in S Korea, at least in political terms and the media (why should I even say “at least” here?), and it is definitely coupled with (or synomymous with) Japan-hate. Why is president Noh being criticized in S Korea for proposing that the Sea of Japan be called “Sea of Peace” (BTW, who suddenly in the late 20th Centrury began the propaganda of renaming Sea of Japan the “East Sea”?…why is it that was never done before?…usually one would smell rise of ultranationalism here…) Why are scholars who see some positive aspects of Japanese rule being purged in S Korea? Why are descendants of so-called “Japanese collaborators” risk the danger of having their properties confiscated by the S Korean state and why is that I fail to see any Koreans seeing the craziness in it? This could go on forever.

    It’s so obvious in the eyes of non-Koreans that efforts to try to argue otherwise will only look silly and perverse. Just who is having older and rigid brains?

  15. comment number 15 by: wjk

    by the way, I hope all the folk in Japan stay safe and sound. There seems to be a quake and a tsunami alert.

  16. comment number 16 by: GarlicBreath

    Hi Clair,

    is this really THAT funny? btw did you find your divorcee ahjooma gf yet

    Yes the picure is SOOOO funny and SOOOO TRUE. I haven’t found one yet. If your mom isnt too brused up, why not send a picture. I will consiter her. Thanks for your warm thougths.

  17. comment number 17 by: wjk

    The Eastern front aside, we Koreans must prepare for the formidable Northern front as well.

  18. comment number 18 by: wjk

    중국 놈들 진짜 웃긴다. 2007/01/13 오전 9:31:58
    고도우를 기다리며(godot) 조회 37, 찬성 0, 반대 0
    지들이 만리장성을 왜 만들었는데…
    간단하다.
    만리장성 밖은 지네 중국 땅이 아니라고 선언 한 곳이다.
    그래서 만리장성 밖의 사람은 오랑캐라 멸시하며 부탁하기까지 했다.

    ” 제발 우리 국경선을 넘지 말아다오.
    그렇게만 한다면 우리도 너희들을 간섭 않하고 간섭할 이유도 없다.”

    그래서 그들이 말하는 오랑캐들은
    그들만의 문화와 문자 전통을 이어가서
    나중에는 중국을 지배했다.

  19. comment number 19 by: wjk

    i didn’t write the above.

  20. comment number 20 by: claire

    Garlicbreath,
    thats unfortunate because my mom is happily married to my dad. How about Gerry’s x wife?

  21. comment number 21 by: GarlicBreath

    Your mom has my sympathies clair.

  22. comment number 22 by: wjk

    choosing Garlic after Gerry would be a tremendous downgrade.

  23. comment number 23 by: Matt

    i didn’t write the above.

    wjk, what are you talking about, man? Only you can use your username. There is no shared or anonymous usernames here.

  24. comment number 24 by: Darin

    wjk, if you didn’t post that, then who ever did somehow knew your username and password, and even posted from the same IP address… That’s quite the tricky fellow you’ve got after you…

  25. comment number 25 by: GarlicBreath

    Gentlemen,

    I think what WJK meant was that he was not the original author of the ‘above’ post. WJK has not mastered English well enough to understand its nuances. This is part of the reason why much of what WJK writes makes little sense and why he seems to disregard any argument. He doesn’t understand what is being wrote, so he just keeps on plowing through any counter point.

    You would think that at his “five finger” university WJK would be expected to learn English simply by interaction with other, but I assume he doesn’t interact with Americans.

  26. comment number 26 by: wjk

    Matt, Darin. I clipped and pasted from here.

    Clip and paste.

  27. comment number 27 by: Matt

    Matt, Darin. I clipped and pasted from here.

    Clip and paste.

    I am glad to hear that, wjk. I had hoped that the racial slurs in that writing was not you.

  28. comment number 28 by: ponta

    claire Said:

    January 12, 2007 at 11:03 pm Garlicbreath,
    thats unfortunate because my mom is happily married to my dad. How about Gerry’s x wife?

    #

    wjk Said:

    January 12, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    choosing Garlic after Gerry would be a tremendous downgrade.

    What does Gerry and his x wife has to do with you guys story?
    It this the way Koreans bully the man who tells the truth that is not in line with Korean myth?

  29. comment number 29 by: wjk

    i apologize to Gerry.

  30. comment number 30 by: tomato

    It this the way Koreans bully the man who tells the truth that is not in line with Korean myth?

    The guys that come to refute the postings here almost always ridicule about the poster’s sex life in the end…it’s a wonder how these guys cannot be the same person…

  31. comment number 31 by: GarlicBreath

    Nulji’s lap dog Said:

    i apologize to Gerry.

    You must be sincere and prove your apology with action or your apology is insincere. If you are sincere then you will agree that Takeshima in the Sea of Japan is Japanese. Do not just apologize without appropriate action.

  32. comment number 32 by: wjk

    Garlic, I can apologize sincerely and yet believe that Dokdo is Korean, and it is called the East Sea from the Korean perspective.

    Want to pick up a new hobby? Hmm. Why don’t you take up and prove that Mount Baekdu is Chinese?

    Same idea.

    By the way, Ahn Ik Tae, who was once a Korean independence fighter and then a pro Japanese collaborator, who also wrote the Korean national anthem while he was for Korean independence, basically worded the anthem,

    The East Sea’s waters and Mount Baekdu…

    Don’t expect to see the Koreans give up on the East Sea. You can try, but as long as they exist, they’ll just argue, and rightfully, that Japan merely registered the name first, because they were a world power, whereas Koreans always saw it as the East Sea. I seriously doubt they’ll start amending their national anthem and singing,

    The Sea of Japan’s waters and Mount Chiang Baek… etc.

  33. comment number 33 by: Mika

    wjk, Ahn Ik Taedidn’t write lyrics for Aegukga, he just conposed the song. And the name of Sea of Japan was already used in the 19th century around the world. Koreans are just using emotion over fact, yet again.

  34. comment number 34 by: Two Cents

    tomato,
    Actaully, I am a Star Wars fan myself, and own all the DVDs. My husband is an even bigger fan. Although I do think both sides did come to be depicted with more depth in Episodes I, II, and III, I still think it lacked the “just cause on both side” stance. The reason Palpatine took over the democratic senate was because he wanted the dark side to rule. It’s difficult to say that there was justice on his side, too.

  35. comment number 35 by: tomato

    Don’t expect to see the Koreans give up on the East Sea. You can try, but as long as they exist, they’ll just argue, and rightfully, that Japan merely registered the name first, because they were a world power, whereas Koreans always saw it as the East Sea. I seriously doubt they’ll start amending their national anthem and singing,

    Don’t force people to adopt “East Sea” on non-Koreans, which has its origin from Korean ultranationalism and Japan-hate and nothing else. You might think that Korea is the center of the world, but it is not, nor any nation is, for that matter. Forcing Korea-mansei on other nations is not helping Korea earn high esteem.

    BTW, the notion that Japan somehow “registered” the name Sea of Japan is absurd and perverse, only believed by ultranationalist Koreans like you. It’s amazing how ultranationalism becomes really silly.

    TwoCents,

    Thanx for your response…with so many trolling out there, it’s amazing you found my comment about Star Wars 🙂

  36. comment number 36 by: ponta

    wjk
    GarlicBreath is just imitating some of typical Korean debaters.
    Didn’t you notice?

    You must be sincere and prove your apology with action or your apology is insincere. If you are sincere then you will agree that Takeshima in the Sea of Japan is Japanese. Do not just apologize without appropriate action.

    When I first read it, it made me laugh, like , you know, “kakakakaka” or “puhahaha”?
    Garlicbreath must be genius!! a great observer of Korea and China

    First demand apology, if they apologize, then doubt their sincerity, and demand actions that are essentially unrelated to but you can somehow relate to the content of apology.

    “We don’t need your apology anymore.
    Put your apology into action!
    Bulling the person like that is just like holocaust.
    How can you deny Gerry’s theory? You are just like holocaust denier! etc”

    Anyway, I just thought that was not the right way to bring up Gerry and his ex-wife.
    .

  37. comment number 37 by: Fantasy

    @Claire:

    Hi fantasy! Hope you and your korean wife had a happy new year.

    Know this is off topic, but I’m only responding to the other posters, so if you’re going to criticize me, please criticize them as well.

    Thanks for your good wishes, Claire !

    I am aware that your critical comments of us Occidentalists are not entirely devoid of substance. Maybe I am a bit undiplomatic at times, and the same goes for some of the other posters. A moderate female voice such as yours can work wonders in calming things down when the discussion gets too heated…

    Happy New Year to you, as well !

    Regards,

    Fantasy

  38. comment number 38 by: Fantasy

    @WJK:

    By the way, I hope all the folk in Japan stay safe and sound. There seems to be a quake and a tsunami alert.

    Hi WJK,

    I am, of course, not in Japan – but I appreciate your softer stance towards our commenters over there. And I am sorry indeed that I mixed you up with JK – he told me clearly that he is not you, and he was, understandably, somewhat miffed about my error. So I apologised to him – and now I do to you.

    Regards,

    Fantasy

  39. comment number 39 by: tomato

    Fantasy:

    I don’t share the same view with you on that guy. I think he’s essentially a troll, posting unrelated Japan/Korea jokes all over that are not that amusing or creative. Well, I guess I’ll wait until he calms down or goes away, because it’s rather boring reading his nonsense.

    So, see you for a while…

  40. comment number 40 by: Fantasy

    Hello Tomato,

    I understand you value controversial debate, and so do I.

    But, in any event, WJK ocaasionally posts conciliatory comments, such as the one about the tsunami warning for Japan. I hope, he was not trying to be ironic, and even if he was, it seems to me to be good tactics to take the sting out of his irony by taking his words literally…

    You know, there is an American Gyopo from New York, writing under the nom de plume “Bluejives”, who used to write much more disturbing comments on certain issues. WJK is moderate, by comparison, and he did apologise to GarlicBreath, after all, something that Bluejives would never have done. So we should not be too harsh on him.

    Anyway, take care, and have a good start into the working week !

    My best regards to you,

    Fantasy


  41. […] A few days ago, Occidentalism posted this absolutely priceless flowchart that is too telling by half about how some Koreans tend to scapegoat their way through real problems.  I suppose the temptation to pin blame on others is human nature; that temptation is at its greatest when a solution to the underlying problem seems beyond reach.  Witness the finger-pointing that followed last October’s nuke test (and the notable absence of constructive proposals accompanying it).  I shouldn’t miss this opportunity to plug OFK’s own OhMyNews Scale, which is accurate to within one standard deviation in predicting public outrage on the Korean Street.  It’s certainly more accurate than the use of logic alone.  As soon as we have some idea of what actually happened here we’ll be able to test its accuracy again.  My gut, working with a few years of experience, tells me that we know very little except that the guy should fire his lawyer, that an apology will mean little to anyone — especially the victim – that all American soldiers will end up paying the price for this, and that this will be an election-year gift to the members of Il Shim Hue who have gone to ground.   […]

  42. comment number 42 by: GarlicBreath

    This flowchart is soooo true…buwahhhhhahahha kakakakkal..

    Here are some thinks that Korea “invented”

    And here is an example of a famous Korean (notice how nowhere in the article does it clearly state he is American and its only focus is about his Korean herritage) Here is another Korean (look for yourself, she is Korean and not American, or as H Kim likes to say Kyopo)

  43. comment number 43 by: MarkA

    Here in my office, two gyopos looked at it and chuckled but became a bit irritated. The Korean officers said nothing, and the Korean NCO laughed quite a bit and said it was true but should somehow loop around in circles.


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  45. comment number 45 by: lost boy

    Every Korean woman I have metincluding my-X wife was a WHORE. For money, sex, or just some personal belongings bullshit. Most are abused as children and worship their parents more than God himself. Arrogant and caught upin NOW not the future. Koreans would sell their soul for a nice house and a closet full of money (and Kimchi). I used tohave SO much respect for the Korean people , now I loathe ALL of the self-centered money grubbing rodents.