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The Japanese Administration of Korea

July 17th, 2005 . by Matt

Did Japan ruin the economy of Korea during the Japanese Administration? Koreans say that Japan did, and that they even stole all the rice and left people starving. However, there is a lot of evidence to say that was not the case. During the period of Japanese Administration, there were great increases in population, unprecendented in Korean history. This is not consistent with a people that are starving, because the population should decrease in that case.

Not only are the Korean claims dubious, but it seems that they benefitted in many ways from the Japanese Administration. Lets take a look at picutures of Korea before and during the Japanese Administration.

slaves
This was the true state of Koreans in the Choson Era.

medicine
Before the Japanese introduced medicine in Korea, Koreans would cure Malaria by writing their names on their feet.

medicine2
Pre-Japanese era Korean medicine. This childs parents are trying to cure this childs disease by throwing away this straw doll. Various diseases could be ‘cured’ by this ‘method’. The average Korea lifespan at this time was around 24 years old. Thanks to Japanese investment in medicine and nutrition in Korea, the lifespan went up to nearly 50 years old by the end of WW2

k
The center of Seoul, Namdemun, Circa 1880. Thatched buildings and shops.

edo
Compare that with 1850’s Tokyo. Korea was a basket case.

k
The common people of the Choson Era lived in a state of slavery, if not in name then in practice. Picture is of Namdemun.

bare breasted woman
Typical Korean Woman of the pre-annexation period. It was common for women to walk around bare breasted in Korea at the time, as in Africa.

Hooker
It is common in Korea to claim that prostitution did not exist in Korea before the Japanese came, but here is a picture of one anyway.

Che Yonhi
Koreans say that they were simply slaves during the Japanese administration, and werent even allowed to have Korean names. I wonder then how they explain the existence of dancer Che Yonhi, who not only became wealthy and famous, but kept her Korean name. Surely if the Japanese wanted to force Koreans to have Japanese names, they would have started with Korean role models? This is a picture of her in a hotel cafe in Seoul.

department
A department store in Seoul for Korean consumers. Picture 1937.

namdaemun
Koreans boldly claim that Japan destroyed many Korean cultural monuments that were in truth destroyed by Korean neglect. The above is a before and after photo of Namdaemun. Is this what Koreans mean by Korea being ‘ruined’ by the Japanese?

Industry
Massive Japanese investment created industry where there was none. The raised living standards and provided housing. The landlords and oppressors of common people lost their legal right to lord it over others.

Hydro
The worlds largest Hydroelectric generator (at the time) was built in Korea by the Japanese, at the expense of the Japanese. This contributed much to Korea’s development.

Pyongyang
This was Pyongyang under Japanese rule.

Pyongyang2
Pyongyang again.

Really, one could go on and on about this. I would conjecture that this kind of information is nowhere to be found in Korean textbooks, based on my conversations with Koreans. Could Korean anti Japanism be mostly founded upon Koreans vain belief in their ‘Great History’?


46 Responses to “The Japanese Administration of Korea”

  1. comment number 1 by: G雪風

    お久しぶりです!
    こういう決定的なものを見せても、ニダー達は
    「それは捏造ニダ!」と平気で言うんだから、もうだめぽ。
    チマチョゴリにしてもそう、結婚して子供が出来たら、胸を出すという変わった習慣があったのに、絶対に認めない。
    イザベラバードに肥溜めのような国と言われていた国。………何でこんな国が隣なんだorz

    はぁあ、日本の隣にある半島と大陸、海に沈むか何かして無くならにかなぁ。(と言ってみるテスト)

  2. comment number 2 by: Bob Reemus

    Could Korean anti Japanism be mostly founded upon Koreans vain belief in their ‘Great History’?

    In a word: YES.

    Fantastic site.

  3. comment number 3 by: XYZ

    Selective posting of selected pictures. Just because you posted some selective pictures doesn’t mean anything. I can post you happy smiling people of Choson, while showing you brutalized Koreans under Japanese occupation, but what does that prove? Nothing.

  4. comment number 4 by: Matt

    Selective posting of selected pictures. Just because you posted some selective pictures doesn’t mean anything. I can post you happy smiling people of Choson, while showing you brutalized Koreans under Japanese occupation, but what does that prove? Nothing.

    The pictures when combined with verified increases in lifespan, public health, literacy and income, are very convincing. If you have information that negates the above as you claim, then lets see it.

  5. comment number 5 by: yeahright

    the bottom part of namdemun pic was already debunked in jt fourm as a pic taken prior to japan’s annexation of korea.
    Contrary to what you and other japanese apologists say, korea was in the path to moderinzation b4 it was illegally colonoized by japan.
    Quote from an American author named Angus Hamilton who visited korean in 1904.(His book is titled Korea pub in 1904)
    “The streets of Seoul are magnificent, spacious, clean, admirably made and well-drained. The narrow, dirty lanes have been widened, gutters have been covered, roadways broadened. Seoul is within measurable distance of becoming the highest, most interesting and cleanest city in the East.”
    “Seoul was the first city in East Asia to have electricity,
    trolley cars, water, telephone and telegraph systems all at the same time.”
    Much of this was thanks to trade with the United States. Seoul Electric Company, Seoul Electric Trolley Company and Seoul Fresh Spring Water Company were all US owned.

    Here is an account by a Hungarian count, Count de Vay, who was in Korea before it was annexed and remained in Korea for some time afterwards.
    http://terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/vayang.html

    This is what he has to say about Korea:
    “Korea is the least
    known country of East Asia, knowledge about it and
    its people is incomplete.” “Korea is one of the most
    interesting parts of the world (7) and it would be hard
    to imagine a more beautiful place on Earth. Korea is
    the most captivating part of East Asia” ….. “Korea is in the phase of rebirth. It is full with tension and contradictions”, “Circumventing
    the normal way of progress, they are acquiring the
    modern achievements with great steps.” (9)
    Here’s a link to the pic of western style building in busan prior to japan’s annexation of korea.
    http://forum.japantoday.com/m_385139/mpage_7/key_/tm.htm#442711

    Here’s a link to an article which dispels the common japanese apologists’ fallcy that japan’s occupation was good for korea.
    http://plungepontificates.blogspot.com/2005/04/japans-colonization-of-korea-and-its.html
    As long as there are people like you who try to justify japan’s wartime atrocities, brutal occupation of korea by falsely suggesting japan’s occupation of korea was good for korea, there’ll never be a true reconciliation between japan and korea.

  6. comment number 6 by: Scott

    Korea had begun trade with the States prior to Japanese intervention (thus the early modernization relative to other Asian states). Had Japan not interfered and the US-Korea trade relationship continued Korea may well have developed even much more quickly.

    It’s a shame that the US gave up on Korea and basically signed them over to the Japanese. But considering the direction Japan was headed in at the time, it probably wouldn’t have made any difference anyway.

    Koreans hatred of Japan may be overblown in this day and age and Korea would benefit to get over it and move on, but obviously they don’t need to feel any gratitude towards Japan.

  7. comment number 7 by: Matt

    Just so I know who I am dealing with, you are Plunge, right? If so, that means I have to prepare myself for a flurry of wild assertions and unforgivable deception by omission.

    the bottom part of namdemun pic was already debunked in jt fourm as a pic taken prior to japan’s annexation of korea.

    It is my understanding that photo is from the Japanese period of Japanese administration. Furthermore, I am pretty sure it was a postcard issued by the government of the Governor General. You say that it was ‘debunked’ on the JT forum, but I was able to find no such thing on the link provided.

    Contrary to what you and other japanese apologists say, korea was in the path to moderinzation b4 it was illegally colonoized by japan.
    Quote from an American author named Angus Hamilton who visited korean in 1904.(His book is titled Korea pub in 1904)
    “The streets of Seoul are magnificent, spacious, clean, admirably made and well-drained. The narrow, dirty lanes have been widened, gutters have been covered, roadways broadened. Seoul is within measurable distance of becoming the highest, most interesting and cleanest city in the East.”
    “Seoul was the first city in East Asia to have electricity,
    trolley cars, water, telephone and telegraph systems all at the same time.”
    Much of this was thanks to trade with the United States. Seoul Electric Company, Seoul Electric Trolley Company and Seoul Fresh Spring Water Company were all US owned.

    This is the quote you rely on for your whole argument, and the person that made this statement is at odds with other contemporary writers. Worse, I doubt that you have read the book that he wrote. Instead you lifted it from Bruce Cummings article ‘Japanese Colonialism in Korea: A Comparative Perspective’, and from the similar wording one would guess that you shamelessly plagiarized it.

    What is so disturbing is that no other contemporary author that wrote about Korea wrote the kinds of things that the author that you cite wrote. Virtually every other writer described Korea as a hell hole.

    It is telling that you should neglect to quote one of the most celebrated writers about Korea, Isabella Bird Bishop, who visit Korea four times and met the King and Queen. Her last visit was in 1897 and she described Korea and Seoul as:
    *Largely having no currency system
    *Seoul the most odoriferous city in the world, caused by narrow ditches for garbage on the streets
    *In Seoul, the houses of commoners were thached roofs and walls made of mud
    *Seoul and Korea was compared unfavorably with Japan

    If Korea was so dynamic, why would US President Theodore Roosevelt say that “…Korea has shown its utter inability to stand by itself”?

    Isabella Bird Bishop goes even futher with her description of Pusan.

    “.. A miserable place I thought it [Pusan], and later experience showed that it was neither more nor less miserable than the general run of Korean towns. Its narrow dirty streets consist of low hovels built of mud-smeared wattle without windows, straw roofs, and deep eaves, a black smoke hole in every wall two feet from the ground, and outside most are irregular ditches containing solid and liquid refuse. Mangy dogs and blear-eyed children, half or wholly naked, and scaly with dirt, roll in the deep dust or slime, or pant and blink in the sun, apparently unaffected by the stenches which abound…” [p27].

    You follow that with this –

    Here’s a link to the pic of western style building in busan prior to japan’s annexation of korea.

    You dont suppose that this western style building could have been owned and built by foreigners, and have little to do with the nation building abilities of Koreans, do you? Isabella Bird Bishop tells us of the foreign (mostly Japanese) quarter in Pusan that,

    ” It is a fairly good looking Japanese town, somewhat packed between the hills and the sea, with wide streets of Japanese shops and various Anglo-Japanese buildings, among which the Consulate and a bank are the most important. It has substantial retaining and sea walls, and draining, lighting, and roadmaking have been carried out at the expense of the municipality. Since the [Sino-Japanese] War, waterworks have been constructed ….” [p23].

    Rather puts paid to your irrelevant picture, doesnt it?

    Here’s a link to an article which dispels the common japanese apologists’ fallcy that japan’s occupation was good for korea.
    http://plungepontificates.blogspot.com/2005/04/japans-colonization-of-korea-and-its.html

    A piece of writing so full of outright deception that it boggles the mind. Surprisingly, your article was well recieved by a handful of other Korea bloggers, despite the clumsy propaganda. I do not have time this early in the morning to expose your shaky ‘scholarship’, but I will answer one part that is representative of the kind of false history you are peddling.

    Meanwhile, Korea pursued its interests with other countries as previously mentioned. In 1882, a treaty was signed with the US providing each with the ability to trade with the other.

    Here you are saying that Korea was actively pursuing international trade and relations with other countries, an assertion so boldly false that anyone with the slightest knowlege of Korea should be able to recognise. Far from ‘pursuing its interests with other countries’, Koreans attempted to actively avoid contact with the west. The Korean King was instructed to make the 1882 Treaty of Chemulpo with the United States by the Chinese envoy, Hung-chang Lee. As a vassal state of China, Korea was obligated to follow the orders of their suzerain.

    Your article is full of that kind of sin of omission. I am not tricked, and I am sure none of the readers here are either.

    As long as there are people like you who try to justify japan’s wartime atrocities, brutal occupation of korea by falsely suggesting japan’s occupation of korea was good for korea, there’ll never be a true reconciliation between japan and korea.

    About this all I can say is that it takes a very eccentric foreigner to adopt the most extreme of Korean anti Japanism.

  8. comment number 8 by: yeahright

    I have no relations to plunge.
    It is my understanding the pic in question was taken prior to Japan’s annexation of Korea. The date of the pic was already discussed several months ago in one of anti-Korea thread that used to be in korean section which no longer exist.

    What is so disturbing is that no other contemporary author that wrote about Korea wrote the kinds of things that the author that you cite wrote. Virtually every other writer described Korea as a hell hole.

    The accouts by Ms. Isabel on Korea you cited was made in 1894, 10 years prior to Hamilton’s account.
    Here’s hungarian count’s account on korea who first arrived in 1902:
    ” The difference between ancient and modern Korea is stupendous; a few years seem to have done the work of centuries. The appearance of the whole country is altered. Railways now intersect the quiet, dreamy countryside; buildings of architectural beauty, as well as humble cottages, are disappearing to make room for modern houses and factories. The charm of the scenery will inevitably vanish in face of the commercial and industrial progress.”
    That sure sounds like korea was on its way to modernization just as Hamilton noted in 1904.

    You dont suppose that this western style building could have been owned and built by foreigners, and have little to do with the nation building abilities of Koreans, do you?

    Way to change the subject, Matt. Your argument centered on the claim that Japan’s conlonization was the cataylst to modernization in Korea but the presence of western style building prior to Japan’s annexation is just another piece of evidence which shows modernization was well underway before the annexation contrary to you or other Japanese apologists have people believe.

    “Meanwhile, Korea pursued its interests with other countries as previously mentioned. In 1882, a treaty was signed with the US providing each with the ability to trade with the other.”
    Here you are saying that Korea was actively pursuing international trade and relations with other countries, an assertion so boldly false that anyone with the slightest knowlege of Korea should be able to recognise. Far from ‘pursuing its interests with other countries’, Koreans attempted to actively avoid contact with the west. The Korean King was instructed to make the 1882 Treaty of Chemulpo with the United States by the Chinese envoy, Hung-chang Lee. As a vassal state of China, Korea was obligated to follow the orders of their suzerain.

    You’re accusing plunge of deception but in the above example you are doing selective quoting to take things out of context. The quoted sentence from plunge’s article you cite was just a continuation from the previous paragraphs where plunge noted how the events in 1873, Kojong and queen Min gaining power, paved the way to ending the isolationsim which led to signing of treaties with other nations. Beginning with 1882 treay, Korea signed series of treaties with Britain, Germany, Italy, Russia, France, and Austria-Hungry which shows Korea pursued its interests with other countries, specifically western nations in the hopes of modernizing itself.

    About this all I can say is that it takes a very eccentric foreigner to adopt the most extreme of Korean anti Japanism.

    Not sure how I can be considered an extremist when you’re trying to justify illegal colonization of a sovereign nation.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    The date of the pic was already discussed several months ago in one of anti-Korea thread that used to be in korean section which no longer exist.

    Surely you must understand that it is hard to believe someone that claims the ‘proof’ is on a thread that ‘no longer exists’? Since the photo is commonly believed to be Korea under Japanese rule (rule after 1905, annexation after 1910), you should present some proof if you are going to make a claim.

    The accouts by Ms. Isabel on Korea you cited was made in 1894, 10 years prior to Hamilton’s account.
    Here’s hungarian count’s account on korea who first arrived in 1902:
    ” The difference between ancient and modern Korea is stupendous; a few years seem to have done the work of centuries. The appearance of the whole country is altered. Railways now intersect the quiet, dreamy countryside; buildings of architectural beauty, as well as humble cottages, are disappearing to make room for modern houses and factories. The charm of the scenery will inevitably vanish in face of the commercial and industrial progress.”

    The Hungarian count describes the countrast between the primitive and the modern, which could suitably describe any country in Africa – which is no argument for modernisation. Isabella Bird Bishops account was made in 1894, which is cogent because the small progress in Korea in the 10 years until Hamilton wrote his account in 1904 was the product of the Kabo Reforms of 1894, the work of the Pro Japanese modernisation faction in the Korean government.

    Way to change the subject, Matt.

    I didnt change the subject. You claimed that a single picture of a western style building in Pusan was ‘proof’ of Korean modernisation. The fact is that although the caption said it was the ‘customs house’, we have no idea when it was built, by who, and if it really was a customs house. In anycase, one picture of one building does not prove that Korea was a modernising country.

    You’re accusing plunge of deception but in the above example you are doing selective quoting to take things out of context. The quoted sentence from plunge’s article you cite was just a continuation from the previous paragraphs where plunge noted how the events in 1873, Kojong and queen Min gaining power, paved the way to ending the isolationsim which led to signing of treaties with other nations.

    Yes I do accuse him of deception. Japan was the first country to force a treaty on the Koreans in 1876, the same way the US forced a treaty on Japan.

    Korea was a vassal state of China and was following the instructions of China when it made these treaties.

    As for quoting Plunge out of context, I did not. He states

    Meanwhile, Korea pursued its interests with other countries as previously mentioned. In 1882, a treaty was signed with the US providing each with the ability to trade with the other.

    To which I replied that is was under Chinese orders that the treaty was signed. The Korean King was against making a Treaty until he got orders from his master in China.

    Beginning with 1882 treay, Korea signed series of treaties with Britain, Germany, Italy, Russia, France, and Austria-Hungry which shows Korea pursued its interests with other countries, specifically western nations in the hopes of modernizing itself.

    You say that Korea hoped to modernise itself, but the fact is that the ‘modernisation faction’ in Korea was the Pro Japanese faction that pushed through the Kabo Reforms of 1894. Korea utterly failed in its modernisation effort, and its faliure was recognised throughout the world.

    US President Theodore Roosevelt said about the Protectorate Treaty between Japan and Korea, “To be sure, by treaty it was solemnly covenanted that Korea should remain independent. But Korea itself was helpless to enforce the treaty, and it was out of the question to suppose that any other nation, with no interests of its own at stake, would do for the Koreans what they were utterly unable to do for themselves .. .Korea has shown its utter inability to stand by itself.”

    If Korea was so dynamic as you claim, then it would have had no trouble resisting the encroachment of foreign powers, and Korean foreign policy would not have been one of vacillating between courting the different foreign powers. Sorry, but the fact that Korea was taken over by Japan without a fight proves that you are trying to revise history.

    Not sure how I can be considered an extremist when you’re trying to justify illegal colonization of a sovereign nation.

    Are you Korean? Besides, the annexation of Korea is not considered Illegal. That doesnt stop the Koreans attempting to have it declared illegal, post facto.

    In November of 2001, a number of Korean professors associated with the harvard University Korea institute organized a conference on “reconsideration of the Japanese annexation from historical and international law perspectives”. Gathering experts in International Law from England, America and Germany, the Korean professors wanted the annexation of Korea in 1910 to be recognized as illegal internationally.

    The Koreans argued that it was an illegal annexation. The british delegation, represented by Cambridge’s J. Crawford, one of the worlds foremost experts in International Law, said that the Annexation was legal and that the treaty signed with Korea for the annexation was also legal. He also pointed out that Korea was a country that was unable to survive on its own and it was common for countries like that at that time to taken in by another country nearby in those times.
    The Koreans countered with the claim that the treaty was forced, and therefore invalid. The british delegation and others rejected this line of reasoning as Japan’s actions were inline with the practices of the time.

    The issue was decided by a show of hands. By a overwhelming majority it was decided that the annexation was legal.
    The Koreans who organized the conference refused to release a statement about the result (the conference was a year long!) as is usual practice, as the result didnt conform to their ideological agenda.

    Needless to say, it wasnt reported in the Korean media. Just imagine the fuss if it had gone the other way!

    I have no relations to plunge.

    How can the blind lead the blind?

  10. comment number 10 by: anti-jap

    hmmm…

    nice try but dude really chosun was way better than that. You know are you some japanese fanatic? first of all koreans were pushed around by the japanese at that time. The rich people were for the japanese. the japanese made korean people throw away there culture. first they cut the choson peoples hair. then they stole pottery and arts. Then they took all the women from towns and villages. when the japanese invaded they killed the royal family (more like slaughtered).oh what is wrong with you why do you want to make koreans look bad? the japanese have always tried to take over korea for hundreds of years and you don’t think that is bad? Suddenly after there was “some” peace between korea and japan, japan starts to claim dokdo as theirs again, which is isn’t. Hey don’t believe me? then go do some actual research instead of making things up. Hmp you also think koreans “like” kim joung il? dude he is a maniac. the only thing i think he did good was aim his stupid nukes to japan. everything else he needs to die for. okay well you can argue against this but i won’t care. i’ll just come in and see if you wrote more crap and try to slap some sense into you. see ya! 😛 🙂

  11. comment number 11 by: YoshoMasaki

    Wow, amazing the kind of wingnuts that crawl out from under their rocks when someone posts the truth about Korea. In front of evidence to the contrary, “anti-jap” (I see he’s unbaised!) proclaims all sorts of wild things about Koreans’ feelings toward Kim Jong Il and Japan. I often wonder what gives individuals living thousands of miles away from the situation or people they are discussing the confidence to speak in third-person omniscient style, without having apparently done ANY research to back it up. I think you’ve read one [hundred] too many fantasy novels there, son.

  12. comment number 12 by: Majestic

    Wow dude. Cool photos but are you hawking theories for some sort of Japanese Neo-Fascists or something? I oughta try the same style with photos of
    Poland – pre and post Nazi invasion!

  13. comment number 13 by: RGM-79

    I oughta try the same style with photos of
    Poland – pre and post Nazi invasion

    Try.

  14. comment number 14 by: 2ch#436

    Nice pix. It’s not hard for me to realize that those bare breasted women became so-called comfort women of their own choices to seek better their lives.

    Koreans’ll holler!

  15. comment number 15 by: Sadae Yangban

    >>440
    If Angus Hamilton visited Pyongyang today, he would describe the city to us,
    “The streets of Pyongyang are magnificent, spacious, clean, admirably made and well-drained. The narrow, …”

    You ought to try the same style with photos of the DPRK and PRC borderland – pre and post Kim Jong-Il.

  16. comment number 16 by: RGM-79

    Offspring of Empire: The Koch’Ang Kims and the Colonial Origins of Korean Capitalism, 1876-1945
    by Carter J. Eckert

    Korea’s 35 years (1910-45) of domination by Japan are usually treated by historians as a period of political, economic, and cultural subjugation. Most Koreans look back on the era bitterly. Nevertheless, a more balanced view takes into consideration the Japanese contributions to the construction of an infrastructure upon which post-colonial Korean economic expansion could be based. Much was invested in schools, public health systems, railways, hydroelectric projects, and the like. In this study Eckert sees Japan as a catalyst abetting the rise of a capitalist class of entrepreneurs. He concentrates on a single remarkably successful Korean family, the Kims of Koch’ang county, in this enlightening and highly innovative work on modern economic development. This is a book of award-winning quality, thoroughly researched in both Korean and Japanese sources, and brilliantly presented. Of major interest to specialists in the field.
    – John H. Boyle, California State Univ., Chico
    http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4794212755/qid%3D1122207694/250-5201855-8758660

    the bottom part of namdemun pic was already debunked in jt fourm as a pic taken prior to japan’s annexation of korea.

    No. The photo was taken in1930s.

    Seoul was the first city in East Asia to have electricity,

    When?

    trolley cars, water, telephone and telegraph systems all at the same time.”

    Any reliable source?

  17. comment number 17 by: w00t someone answered

    wow i knew it someone did answer the anti thing lol. 😛 happy to see me again? oh did korea really have an economy when japan took over or was that japan’s economy that really went up? empire of japan??? hmmm…. lets think….oh yes thats it. you japanese??? wow if you are you are a pathetic excuse. i have japanese friends and wow do they call you pathetic as well as alot of other people. 😛 go ahead and call me anything you want i’ll check again in oh i don’t know maybe tommorrow or the next day? or the next? and for eternity??? so see ya best wishes you don’t die young! 😛

    signed none

  18. comment number 18 by: w00t someone answered

    oh let me sing you a song…goes like this…

    울릉도 동남쪽 뱃길 따라 이백리 외로운 섬하나 새들의 고향
    그 누가 아무리 자기네 땅이라고 우겨도
    독도는 우리 땅

    경상북도 울릉군 울릉읍 독도리 동경 백삼십이 북위 삼십칠
    평균기온 십이도 강수량은 천삼백
    독도는 우리 땅

    오징어 꼴뚜기 대구 명태 거북이 연어알 물새알 해녀 대합실
    십칠만 평방미터 우물 하나 분화구
    독도는 우리 땅

    노일전쟁 직후에 임자없는 섬이라고 억지로 우기면 정말 곤란해
    신라장군 이사부 지하에서 웃는다
    독도는 우리 땅

    best wishes trying to read this! 😛

  19. comment number 19 by: w00t someone answered

    oh and if you think korea is that bad then do some research on stuff japanese people did to the women and kids during the enslavement of korea hmmm? betcha you didn’t want to write that down in order to protect your japanese fanatism??????? 😛

  20. comment number 20 by: w00t someone answered

    “After defeating China in 1894-1895 Japan increased its influence on Korea. The country became a protectorate, and after forcing Emperor Gojong of Korea to abdicate his throne and assassinating his wife, Queen Min of Joseon, Japan annexed the country as a colony in 1910. This ended the Joseon Dynasty and began a 35 year period of Japanese atrocities, including millions of Koreans subjected to slave labor, forced prostitution, murder, torture, and “Japanization”.

    http://www.free-definition.com/Joseon-Dynasty.html

    wow forced prostitution i wonder what that picture was from???? oh and my friend where did you get these pictures? i would like to know so i may see for myself what you are speaking of.

    p.s. kim joung il suks the japanese prime minister’s balls 😛

  21. comment number 21 by: Matt

    oh let me sing you a song…goes like this…

    울릉도 동남쪽 뱃길 따라 이백리 외로운 섬하나 새들의 고향
    그 누가 아무리 자기네 땅이라고 우겨도
    독도는 우리 땅

    경상북도 울릉군 울릉읍 독도리 동경 백삼십이 북위 삼십칠
    평균기온 십이도 강수량은 천삼백
    독도는 우리 땅

    오징어 꼴뚜기 대구 명태 거북이 연어알 물새알 해녀 대합실
    십칠만 평방미터 우물 하나 분화구
    독도는 우리 땅

    노일전쟁 직후에 임자없는 섬이라고 억지로 우기면 정말 곤란해
    신라장군 이사부 지하에서 웃는다
    독도는 우리 땅

    best wishes trying to read this! 😛

    You think I cant read that?

    한국인은 전형적인 토론 방법이 있어요. 자신은 지식이 부족할 때나 주장이 파탄 해 버릴 때에 “국사를 공부해라” 또는 “나는***대학교로부터 졸업했으니까 나는 절대로 올바르다” 혹은 “당신은 단지 한국을 싫어하는 악마야” 라고 말하는 사람이 매우 많아요. 한국은 최근까지 독재국가여 자유롭게 토론을 할 수 없는 나라였으므로, 한국인은 의논 능력은 낮아요. 당신도 나의 토론을 반박하지 않고 완전히 같은 것을 쓰고 있어요. 즉, 잘 의논하지 못 하는 사람은 곧 모욕을 말해 버려요. 독도 문제는 국제사법재판소에서 해결해야 할 것인데 한국정부측은 한국의 정치적인 입장에 대해서 자신이 없어서 국제사법재판소의 판단을 피하고 있어요.

    Trying to be clever backfired for you, didnt it? What exactly were you trying to prove by posting that Dokdo song? If I couldnt read it, then I ‘lose’? By the way, I am neither Korean nor Japanese.

  22. comment number 22 by: RGM-79

    After defeating China in 1894-1895 Japan increased its influence on Korea.

    Quote from an American author named Angus Hamilton who visited korean in 1904.(His book is titled Korea pub in 1904

    So the modernizing city that Angus Hamilton saw was developed by Japanese government.

  23. comment number 23 by: dogbert

    Nicely done.

    Wanting to know the truth about Korea does not necessarily make one pro-Japanese. Let us not forget that while the Koreans impotently squirmed in the embrace of Japan for some thirty-five odd years until liberated by Australia, the U.K., the U.S., etc. If we were so pro-Japanese, why did we do so much more than any Koreans in fighting the Japanese?

    A point to ponder.

  24. comment number 24 by: Ebisu

    “The streets of Seoul are magnificent, spacious, clean, admirably made and well-drained. The narrow, dirty lanes have been widened, gutters have been covered, roadways broadened. Seoul is within measurable distance of becoming the highest, most interesting and cleanest city in the East.”
    “Seoul was the first city in East Asia to have electricity,
    trolley cars, water, telephone and telegraph systems all at the same time.”
    Much of this was thanks to trade with the United States. Seoul Electric Company, Seoul Electric Trolley Company and Seoul Fresh Spring Water Company were all US owned.

    I have this book. But it is not easy for me to find the parts which
    you quoted. Could you please tell me the page number?

  25. comment number 25 by: Matt

    I have this book. But it is not easy for me to find the parts which
    you quoted. Could you please tell me the page number?

    He cant tell you the page number because he has never read the book. He found the reference in an article on Plunge’s page, who in turn plagiarized it from Bruce Cummings article ‘Japanese Colonialism in Korea: A Comparative Perspective’.

  26. comment number 26 by: yeahright

    I didnt change the subject. You claimed that a single picture of a western style building in Pusan was ‘proof’ of Korean modernisation. The fact is that although the caption said it was the ‘customs house’, we have no idea when it was built, by who, and if it really was a customs house. In anycase, one picture of one building does not prove that Korea was a modernising country.

    My assertion that korea was on the path to modernization was based on the accounts by an american author and a count who was a honary bishop. Here are few more pictures which seem to validate hamilton and the count’s accounts.

    Seoul in 1905

    Pusan in 1900

    Inchon in 1900

    Seoul Tram in 1903
    American businessmen, Henry Collbran and Harry Bostwick secured the right to establish a tram service in the city of Seoul in a 1897 agreement with the Korean government. Henry Collbran and H.R. Bostwick completed laying the tram tracks in December 1898.
    The tramline heralded a brave new era of mass public transport in Seoul much as tramway construction had in most other large metropolises across the globe. Seoul became only the second East Asian city to acquire this wonder of modern technology.

    As for quoting Plunge out of context, I did not…To which I replied that is was under Chinese orders that the treaty was signed. The Korean King was against making a Treaty until he got orders from his master in China.

    Queen Min who helped to foster modernization movement in korea by dispatching people to various countries to study west’s modernization, pushing for open door policy, urged king kojong to sign a treaty with the US. At the queen’s urging and after heeding chinese envoy’s advise, who also echoed it’ll be economically and militarily beneficial for korea to sign a treay with the US, kojong decided to sign the treaty and appointed shin hun to negotiate a treaty. The treay was signed after almost 2 months of negotiation.

    You say that Korea hoped to modernise itself, but the fact is that the ‘modernisation faction’ in Korea was the Pro Japanese faction that pushed through the Kabo Reforms of 1894.

    So, queen Min and her pro-western reformists’ push for open door policy which led to modernization movement and signing of treaties with the US, Britian, Germany, Italy, Russia, France, and Austria-Hungary in the 1880s does not count yet Japan’s attempt at gaining greater influence in Korea, with the help of pro-japanese faction, guised under the heading of “reform based on japan” is the only one that should count as modernization movement. Brilliant. This just serves to show what a hardcore japanese apologist you are.
    However you try to spin it, korea’s modernization despite being hampered by a coup, oppositions from the conservaties, and 2 wars, was slowly but surely taking place until japan colonized korea.

    Are you Korean? Besides, the annexation of Korea is not considered Illegal. That doesnt stop the Koreans attempting to have it declared illegal, post fact.

    Illegal in the sense that I think it is illegal to colonize a soverin nation.
    The fact of the matter is you are trying to justify colonization of a sovereign nation, yet for you to say I’m an extremist is rather amusing.

  27. comment number 27 by: yeahright

    Seoul in 1905
    http://photos22.flickr.com/28060482_f5575d5e90.jpg?v=0

    Pusan in 1900
    http://photos23.flickr.com/28064086_4d848a8d41.jpg?v=0

    Inchon in 1900
    http://photos23.flickr.com/28064087_3a4627791d.jpg?v=0

    Seoul Tram in 1903
    http://photos22.flickr.com/28064088_269331a680.jpg?v=0

  28. comment number 28 by: RGM-79

    yeahright Said:
    Seoul Tram in 1903
    American businessmen, Henry Collbran and Harry Bostwick secured the right to establish a tram service in the city of Seoul in a 1897 agreement with the Korean government. Henry Collbran and H.R. Bostwick completed laying the tram tracks in December 1898.

    yeahright Said:
    “Seoul was the first city in East Asia to have electricity,
    trolley cars, water, telephone and telegraph systems all at the same time.”

    Kyoto Tram 1895
    http://www.meijimura.com/shisetsu/s024.html
    http://www.meijimura.com/

    Did Hamilton really said that Seoul was the first city?
    Or just yeahright fabricated?

  29. comment number 29 by: RGM-79

    He cant tell you the page number because he has never read the book. He found the reference in an article on Plunge’s page, who in turn plagiarized it from Bruce Cummings article ‘Japanese
    Colonialism in Korea: A Comparative Perspective’.

    Bruce Cummings! Ha!
    He had press conference at Tokyo several days ago.
    He was like “What’s wrong with North Korea?”
    The man is Kim Jong Il’s puppet.

  30. comment number 30 by: Sam Mo

    한국은 최근까지 독재국가였다. 이런 식의 말을 빌리자면 현재 어느
    국가도 독재국가 아닌 국가가 없습니다. 이슬람 지역 국가들 미국/영국
    일본/중국..세계 어느 곳도 완벽한 자유와 언론의 표현이 가능한 국가는
    없습니다. 하지만 한국의 자유 표현주의는 지난 몇년 동안 다른 국가들이
    몇십년에 걸쳐서 만들지도 못하는걸 이루어냈고 만들어 냈습니다.
    전세계 어느 국가도 가지지 못한 인터넷 문화가 가장 먼저 만들어졌기
    때문이죠. 이것에 대해서는 어떤 반답도 못할겁니다. 세계에서 가장
    먼저 광케이블 인터넷 대중화를 시작한 나라니까요. 많은 사회문제와
    고질적인 문제점들을 표출시키긴 했지만 그런 문제점들과 함께
    대단한 언론의 자유와 국민들의 표현이 인터넷을 통해서 쏟아져 나오기
    시작했습니다. 한국 인터넷 언론 표현 자유 문화를 선도하고 있는 일명
    댓글 문화는 어떤 것이든지 어느 것이든지 수용되고 표현되고 발설됩니다.
    하나의 예술 자유 방종 모든것이 허락되는 것이죠. 사람들은 이걸 통해서
    느끼기 시작하고 배우기 시작했으며 변화하기 시작했습니다.
    한국인들은 변론에 약할지도 모릅니다. 많은 사람들이 과거에 혹은 현재
    까지도 변화를 시도하고 있지만 토론할수 있는 교육보단 체계적인 주입
    교육이 널리 퍼져 있기 때문이죠. 하지만 그렇다고 해서 무조건적으로
    본인의 관찰만을 주장하지는 않습니다. 오히려 남에게 너무 배풀다보니
    해를 입는 경우가 많았죠. 하지만 시간이 오래 흐르고 이제는 젊은 한국인
    들도 자신의 주장을 관찰시킬만큼 그들만의 요구 관찰력이 성장되어
    정당하고 올바른 의사 표현을 하고 있습니다. 일본의 독도 영토 주장에
    한국 정부가 선뜻 나서지 못하는 부분은 과거 한국 정부가 경제 발전
    시기였던 남북전쟁후 많은 경제적 도움을 받았던 부분도 있지만 그것보단
    일본이 강압적으로 외국 언론에 먼저 관찰을 시킨 부분이 많기 때문에
    그런것일수도 있습니다. 하지만 가장 중요한 역사적 사실은 일본조차
    자신들의 근대 역사 기록에는 독도 영토가 한국으로 기록되어 있다는 사실
    입니다. 일본은 단지 다시 영토전쟁을 시작하고 싶은겁니다. 곧 일본 대륙은
    지구상에서 사라지니까요. 현재 일본이 한국이외에 중국과도 영토 전쟁을
    하는건 잘 알겁니다. 한국어를 배우고 사랑할만큼 한국에 관심이 많다면
    한국을 읽을려고만 하지말고 느껴보기 바랍니다. 한국의 대중문화를 들여다
    보고 즐거움을 느껴 보기 바랍니다. 한국은 매력이 있습니다. 단지 그 매력과
    진실을 찾는데 많은 시간이 소비된다는 것이고 그것이 쉽지 않다는겁니다.
    한국 사람에게 조차
    하지만 진실은 존재하는법, 왜곡은 하지말기를

  31. comment number 31 by: Matt

    우선, 시간을 들여 긴 문장을 써 줘서 감사합니다. 나는 변증법적 방법이 좋아하니까 키포인트를 요약해 대답하겠습니다.

    하지만 가장 중요한 역사적 사실은 일본조차 자신들의 근대 역사 기록에는 독도 영토가 한국으로 기록되어 있다는 사실 입니다.

    한국의 독도에 대한 기록은 울릉도를 독도라고 지적하는 뿐입니다. 한국은 지금까지 명확한 지도를 제공한 적이 없습니다. 한국은 정말로 검증할 수 있는 증거가 있으면 국제사법재판소의 판단을 인정 하죠.

    일본은 단지 다시 영토전쟁을 시작하고 싶은겁니다.

    정말로 그렇게 생각하고 있습니까? 일본은 내일에라도 한국의 해군을 격파해 승리를 할 수 있는데 왜 공격하지 않는지 생각해 본 적이 없습니까? 일본은 평화 유지를 결정하고 있으니까요. 일본은 전쟁을 기도하고 있다고 망언하는 사람은 최강적인 불쌍한 정신병자입니다.

    인터넷 대국인 한국에서는 왜 일본에 관한 중립적인 관점을 취득할 수 없을까요?

  32. comment number 32 by: Plunge

    Wow, I’m being praised and slandered and just now noticed this site.

    I’ve only skimmed the comments, but I think my blog post stands, I could add more as I’ve found more, but I’m just not motivated enough to do so at the present.

    To the one person accusing me of Wow, I’m being praised and slandered and just now noticed this site.

    I’ve only skimmed the comments, but I think my blog post stands, I could add more as I’ve found more, but I’m just not motivated enough to do so at the present.

    To the one person accusing me of plagiarism. This is a blog post, not an academic paper. I get no profit from it either so I don’t hold myself to those standards. I felt it appropriate enough to list at the end of the post the various references I used when writing the post. You will notice Dr. Cummings paper listed there.

    Anyway, interesting discussion. I personally find little use for ‘photographic’ evidence from the past like that used here. It is just too easy to fake.

  33. comment number 33 by: Matt

    To the one person accusing me of plagiarism. This is a blog post, not an academic paper. I get no profit from it either so I don’t hold myself to those standards.

    At least it has been made clear the kind of standards we can expect from you.

    I felt it appropriate enough to list at the end of the post the various references I used when writing the post. You will notice Dr. Cummings paper listed there.

    They werent there last time I looked (although they are there now). In fact, I distinctly remember you offering them on request only.

    Anyway, interesting discussion. I personally find little use for ‘photographic’ evidence from the past like that used here. It is just too easy to fake.

    Photographs from the Korean side are often fake, but not even Koreans are questioning the veracity of these photos.

  34. comment number 34 by: Haisan

    Hrm. Confronting Korean assumptions about the past– good. Buying into someone else’s propaganda — bad.

    Considering how badly the Japanese government treated the Japanese people once the military took over, seems pretty weak to claim that the Japanese were not treating their colonies like garbage, too. I don’t know why people are so unable to separate Japan 1910 with Japan 1930-or-so.

    Many people would argue that India under Britain was one of the most successful examples of colonialism… But would that make it “right”?

  35. comment number 35 by: Matt

    Hrm. Confronting Korean assumptions about the past– good. Buying into someone else’s propaganda — bad.

    Considering how badly the Japanese government treated the Japanese people once the military took over, seems pretty weak to claim that the Japanese were not treating their colonies like garbage, too. I don’t know why people are so unable to separate Japan 1910 with Japan 1930-or-so.

    I reject only some specific details of what Koreans say about the colonial period, and once WW2 started, things were very hard in all the Japanese controlled areas. In the later days of the Empire, there wasnt much latitude for dissent (on the other hand, the west had its dissenters too, and they landed themselves in jail!). No one here is denying that people in the Japanese empire were denied their political rights. On the other hand, Korean stories about Japanese soldiers raiding villages, or of the Korean economy being plundered are just that, stories.

    A good Japanese comic that shows the hardship of the period is HADASHI NO GEN, and some of the characters in it are Korean. I will assume that you are Korean so here is a review of the comic in Korean. English Version here.

  36. comment number 36 by: RGM-79

    Anyway, interesting discussion. I personally find little use for ‘photographic’ evidence from the past like that used here. It is just too easy to fake.

    I have seen some of above photos from very old books at the liberally.
    They are not fake.
    It’s good to compare the photos of seoul during korean war.
    You can find the trace of modernized building in the ruin which matches with the photos of beautiful seoul city under japanese rule.

    plunge,
    You suppose to have a homework, don’t you?
    Please specify the page number of Angus Hamilton’s book.

  37. comment number 37 by: Halifa

    Oh, so I assume you are one of the several mindless idiots that dwell the Japan Today forums? I like Japanese culture, and even I could not stand the ignorance on those boards. The hypocrisy and bigotry is fascinating

    Regarding the women exposing their breasts: I read that it was common for women to live bare breasted after having had a son. What’s your proof that she was a prostitute? I also don’t trust the validity of that “Che Yonhi” photo. Just seems too perfect; seems almost like a scene from an old movie.

  38. comment number 38 by: dead

    http://photo.jijisama.org/BeforeAfter.html

  39. comment number 39 by: RGM-79

    seems almost like a scene from an old movie.

    Find the movie.

  40. comment number 40 by: kushibo

    It was Christian missionaries (mostly American, but also Canadian, British, Australian, and others) that brought modern medicine to Korea, not the Japanese.

    The photos of thatched and tiled roofs are selective, too. There were many modern tiled or shingled roofs in Korea at the time of annexation. Furthermore, there were still very many thatched roofs at the end of the occupation (Park Chunghee spearheaded a campaign to replace all thatched roofs with tin or tile, which is why you still see colorful tin roofs in the Korean countryside). So your credit for modernizing structures is quite misleading.

  41. comment number 41 by: RGM-79

    Kushibo, why don’t you post the photos?

  42. comment number 42 by: kushibo

    Because they’re in books, some of which I don’t have enough ready access to go and scan them.

  43. comment number 43 by: Mika

    Many people would argue that India under Britain was one of the most successful examples of colonialism… But would that make it “right”?

    So you think it was wrong, but Britain has never given India any compensation for their colonial occupation. And yet India has never asked for anything. Tell me why that is. Japan already apologized and offered reparations to Korea. Why is it that Koreans are still so vocal in their demands for compensation, when countries like Indonesia, the Philippines, Taiwan etc don’t make much fuss?

  44. comment number 44 by: Katz

    Mounted with selective photos.

  45. comment number 45 by: larken

    Hangeul the greatest language in the world was actually ridiculed by intellectuals by Koreans?

    http://www.geocities.jp/bxninjin2004/themeoftoday_e/themeoftoday_e2.htm

  46. comment number 46 by: siamhan

    Customs House in Busan was built in 1911.
    It was a famous brick architecture of meiji-era Japan. You can see the resemblance with Seoul Station.

    New customs house was built in same place. Some of old tower was put up in front yard of the new building with memorial epigraph. Every body can check it out. I don’t understand why those people lie so obvious like this.

    http://www.platon.co.jp/~kei/korea/fukei/tax/