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Threat mail

September 12th, 2008 . by Matt

I got this email from a person using an anonymous email service called ‘Borked Pseudo Mailed’.

Why don’t you put you full name, workplace, and home address on your blog.
If you give a good reason on your blog I will keep your information secret.

Is not wanting to be pursued by strange stalkers like yourself reason enough, perhaps? Here is a better idea – why don’t you give me your full name, workplace, and home address, and we can sort this out like gentlemen. Or at the very least use your own email address to send a mail.

I wonder who sent this email.


32 Responses to “Threat mail”

  1. comment number 1 by: ponta.

    Yeah I wonder who sent this email too. Who is it?
    Let’s talk whoever it is on this blog.

  2. comment number 2 by: camphortree

    The letter is foolish and ominous. Come forward retard and coward.

  3. comment number 3 by: YoshoMasaki

    Meh. I’ve met Matt in real life, hung out and partied with him. He’s a good guy, and trust me when I say that when it comes to his “online presence” he is not being false and has nothing to hide. He’s just like this. Really.

    BTW happy belated B-day to ya, mate!

  4. comment number 4 by: toadface

    I don’t get it. As you’ve repeatedly told us Matt, occidentalism is not a hate website.

    So why would anyone want to “do violence to your person?”

    What’s the big deal anyway? You can tell us who you are, where you live etc, Matt!!

    C’mon, don’t be a stranger Matt.

  5. comment number 5 by: ponta.

    toadface, Oh toadface, was it you? I hope not.

    If you think that is not the big deal, why don’t you tell us workplace, home address and telephone number on your blog? C’mon, don’t be a stranger,Steve.

  6. comment number 6 by: Matt

    Toadface,

    Some people can be unreasonable. I enjoy debate, but I do not like it if someone wants to physically attack me over a difference of opinion. The problem is not a majority of people but the small minority that are crazy.

  7. comment number 7 by: camphortree

    Toadface,
    I have a fetish about sea toads that are supposedly derived from Dokdo. Some reported that one of the sea toads is actually originated from Canada. That particular sea toad in tha past implied as if he was from the U.S. Anyhow anyone with a fair mind knows that the sea toads are from Dokdo no matter what. The sea toads’ wartful eyes prove that they see the truth. Their slimy tongues prove that they speak out the truth. The sea toads are sexually highly stimulous. Please tell me your home address, home phone number, cell phone number, job, work address, work phone number. Please show me a couple dozen digitally un-edited photos of your truly gorgeous face, body, upper legs and lower legs here in Occidentalism.

  8. comment number 8 by: toadface

    Matt, I don’t feel like you’ve done anything personally to warrant someone hurting you.

    However, what you have done is created an forum that allows the same ugly, hate filled people to post offensive material targeting a specific nationality (Koreans) In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you once reprimand or ban any of your regular posters for this, no matter how repulsive their comments have been.

    Matt you maintain and promote a website that continually distributes hurtful and objectionable rants against Koreans. Whether you like it or not, you are in the end accountable for even the worst content of occidentalism.

    In other words, your refusal to control the content of occidentalism is as good as an endorsement to those who visit your blog. Maybe it’s not be true, but that’s the way it is. With this in mind, it may be time to for you to take a long hard look at this blog and see if it’s having a positive impact on Koreans or just turning into a snake pit.

    Looking at the responses to your articles it seems the “regulars” on occidentalism are driving away traffic and killing your blog Matt.

    Ponta, Camphor who I am is no secret and I’ve done nothing to make anyone personally angry at me. If you find my address come over, have a beer and I’ll explain to you why Dokdo should be Korea’s.

  9. comment number 9 by: Matt

    Toadface, it is true what you say about some of the comments, but they also speak for themselves – an unreasonable and racial comment gets the attention it deserves (none). Objectionable rants also occur against other nationalities of people as well. In a sense it is hard to work out how to intervene in such a situation. You could argue I could ban (and I have) but they always reincarnate later on. At least in this way people know which commenters to ignore, unlike on some other blogs where they come back with new usernames, have other commenters engage them, and run the most outrageous trolls.

    BTW, some of the commenters writing some of the bad stuff about Koreans are infact Koreans themselves. They are trolling. There was a few of those on the “Korean wave of cults” thread (that I had to delete because one of the people mentioned in it is the subject of legal threats). I think most regular commenters know who they are.

  10. comment number 10 by: toadface

    Matt, it’s your website and how you moderate it (or not) will determine the slant of this forum. The abusive comments of a select few, whom you refuse to control, are no doubt, driving away traffic. Time and time again I’ve seen new posters come on occidentalism only to be tag-teamed and turned off. This is a sure way to kill your website.

    I heard it said here you are just trying to help Koreans to change. Thus, from an agenda driven perspective. It’s your “house” and if your house is not a comfortable environment for those who visit, it will never foster the kind of productive, positive dialogue that inspires people (and ultimately countries) to change. Finger-pointing and criticism don’t work.

    If you are really interested in promoting change within the Korean community or Korea you should inspire Koreans by example or by becoming involved with Korean associations. These are the kind of selfless, positive activities that bridge cultural gaps and motivate people to do the right thing.

    IMHO, with regard to Korean, Japanese, Western relations occidentalism has done far more damage than good.

    When people are trying to track you down and threaten to expose you, it’s a pretty good sign you should take a long, hard look at the direction you are taking your website, Matt.

  11. comment number 11 by: Matt

    Thanks for your advice, Steve. I appreciate it and will do my best.

  12. comment number 12 by: fh

    I find that people generally resort to violence when they realize their words have lost substance or power (probably from all that copy/pasting). Perhaps all the more evidence that, unlike Steve’s contention, Occidentalism has got some things right. When people try to track down and expose others, it’s a pretty good sign their arguments are falling apart and that they have no choice but to resort to extremes in order to silence those they oppose.

    Besides, exposing Matt’s name/address/etc has nothing to do with the debate, unless you are trying to use it by rallying others to attack Matt, to intimidate him into silence. You could take down Occidentalism, but I bet five more sites would go up as a result, and with greater resilience. Probably wouldn’t be a smart move.

  13. comment number 13 by: toadface

    FH.

    What point is Matt making on his website that he has “got right?” Korea sucks and Japan rules?

    Like it or not that’s the message I come away with from this website. Matt has to continually state his website is not anti-Korean. Therefore maybe he should start listening those guests who visit here instead of defending some of these pricks.

    My main argument here is that Matt et al have often stated they aren’t anti-Korean and they are merely pointing out Koreans’ shortcomings by their posts.

    That said, if Matt really wants to make a difference to Koreans he has to present his assertions in a palatable, format. By failing to maintain the content of his website all but a few from the lunatic fringe will continue to post here. The offensive posts here have consequently given Matt’s blog a slant that eroded his credibility. This drives people away, and without an audience he will have little impact.

    My experience with Koreans is, they like many Asians often motivated by shame. The manner in which people on this forum convey their displeasure with Koreans is so offensive it turns most people off.

    Matt’s gonna end up taking the heat for these clowns because he hasn’t cleaned house.

  14. comment number 14 by: toadface

    FH, the buzz on the internet scene is someone out there has the goods on Matt.

    How they use this information is up to them, hopefully it will not be in a malicious manner. It could be harmful. I’m wondering, is it legal to expose a blogger’s identity?

    Perhaps the loss of Matt’s anonymity will instill a sense of accountability in him and make occidentalism a better website. I hope so.

    Cheers.

  15. comment number 15 by: Matt

    The loss of anonymity is not that important, I suppose. I have never been really anonymous, I have just not been completely upfront with my full name, etc. If someone is a faithful reader, they know my full name (it has appeared on this site).

    I have always been Matt in Sydney, and Sydney is a rather small place for a supposedly international city. There is one other guy in Sydney called “Matt” in Sydney that can (it is said) speak Korean and Japanese, but I guess he just speaks some greetings and is associated with the Korean/Japanese language department of one of the universities here.

    In that sense it is not important. I will not lose my job (unlike Gerry Bevers). The person sending the emails is unlikely to confront me personally and is probably hoping that someone else will do it (also unlikely).

    I am hardly the Korean public enemy no. 1 in Sydney. There is for example Kim Wansop, who is one of the very few refugees from South Korea. He is in hiding here somewhere, and extremists have basically given him a death sentence should he be found. Compared to that I am just a nobody and insignificant.

  16. comment number 16 by: GarlicBreath

    Sounds like toadface is behind this. Toadface has been caught many times using a sock to attack Gerry Bevers.

    Toadface wont even allow comments on his blog.

  17. comment number 17 by: camphortree

    Even Debito’s blog is open to visitors though he deletes comments from left to right when he is challenged.
    Come on Toadface, your preaching would be more persuasive if you make your own blog as open as Matt’s and allow your Dokdo position to be debated. If this is a track meet you are XXX laps behind Matt, yet you are telling Matt how slow he is.

  18. comment number 18 by: Matt

    GarlicBreath, there is no proof that toadface has anything to do with this. The real culprit is probably laughing at that right now.

  19. comment number 19 by: fh

    For Steve:
    http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/events/dokdo/dokdo.html

    😉

  20. comment number 20 by: Errol

    Nice-uh fh. Steve is sure to rise to the occasion.

    Steve may be wrong about Takeshima but he is right about;

    15 toadface Says:
    September 15th, 2008 at 6:20 am

    My experience with Koreans is, they like many Asians often motivated by shame. The manner in which people on this forum convey their displeasure with Koreans is so offensive it turns most people off.

    Matt’s gonna end up taking the heat for these clowns because he hasn’t cleaned house.

    But how thin-skinned are Koreans over mild observations, that result in finger chopping whacky defence mechanisms?

    Bill Cosby quite often pitches up to US college campuses and berates the African-American students for celebrating athleticism and a party culture over study.

    Do Bill Cosby’s remarks result in million man marches?

    Where is the line? Matt’s blog is the only blog in the Klogosphere that takes on issues that oppose K-dominant opinions. If Koreen contributor’s stick to the topic and don’t get sidetracked by emotional responses to inflamaatory material and mutual learning experience can be enabled over issues such as the following:

    (1) Did Japanese Occupation have positive benefits for Korea?

    (2) Is the Comfort Women issue exaggerated for propaganda purposes?

    (3) Is the behaviour of many (not all) Korean males to females in Korea and especially in Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, China, Australia and Kiribati a cause for concern? And what can be done about it?

  21. comment number 21 by: Errol

    Let’s not forget that another defence mechanism of Korean contributors is pedantry.

    Thus,

    (A) “contributor’s” should be “contributors”

    (B) “inflamaatory” should be “inflammatory”

    (C) “and” mutual learning experience should be “a” mutual learning experience.

  22. comment number 22 by: Errol

    Looks like I’m wrong again.

    Matt’s blog is the only blog in the Klogosphere that takes on issues that oppose K-dominant opinions.

    (3) Is the behaviour of many (not all) Korean males to females in Korea and especially in Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, China, Australia and Kiribati a cause for concern? And what can be done about it?

    The Marmot’s Hole frequently covers one aspect of problematic Korean behaviour the abnormally high rate of use of prostitutes by some(?), many(?) Korean males.

    As can be seen by clicking on this linked headline,
    14 Trillion Won

    The source article is also linked, 지난해 국내 성매매로 14조 썼다

    To quote Mr Marmot,

    “That’s about US$12.3 billion… or just over a quarter of North Korea’s estimated GNP.

    Or 1.7% of South Korea’s 2006 GNP, for that matter.

    Granted, this is down 10 trillion won from 2002, when the Special Law on Prostitution went into effect. Experts say, however, … “

    What do the “experts” say?

    “that the decrease may be exaggerated, since unregistered places like “telephone rooms” were not included in the study.”

    What the experts neglected to say was there has been a boom in sex tours by Korean males to Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam and China.

    The punters know about product substitution, even if the “experts” haven’t.

    Thus leading to a new headline, 지난해 국제 성매매로 몇조 썼어요?

  23. comment number 23 by: dacho

    Hello Matt,
    this is first time that I visited your site..
    I am glad that I found your blog. Now I can introduce your site to others!

    toadface: He is really scarely.

    >>>If you find my address come over, have a beer and I’ll explain to you why Dokdo should be Korea’s.

    Could Toadface post his address on this comment boad ?
    I am sure lots of people wants to know it..

  24. comment number 24 by: dacho

    When I see this site. I was shocked..

    http://3.csx.jp/peachy/data/korea/index.html

    Koreans really hate Japan…

  25. comment number 25 by: empraptor

    “abnormally high rate of use of prostitutes by some(?), many(?) Korean males”

    Abnormally high rate? lol what is a normal rate?

    Why are you concerned about how people you’ll never meet waste their money?

  26. comment number 26 by: Errol

    # empraptor Says:
    October 3rd, 2008 at 8:00 am

    Why are you concerned about how people you’ll never meet waste their money?

    It wouldn’t be a concern except it’s not their money.

    Quite often it’s our money.
    As in everyone who pays Korean taxes or has to pay higher prices to Korean business partners.* Even the wives and children of these prostitution addicts.

    You say, “Take your money elsewhere.” We are doing so and in the process warning other foreign investors that the lack of transparency in Korean government and business accounting and management practices is a concern.

    * Whose money? Didn’t you ever watch Peter Jennings?

  27. comment number 27 by: empraptor

    Sorry, Errol.

    I fail to see the connection between prostitution and your other complaints.

    If you have problem with transparency in Korean government and businesses, then you have problem with transparency in Korean government and businesses.

    It is only right that money leaves Korea if investment and trade is better done elsewhere.

    But once you hand over your money via tax or transaction and they get their salary, it is their money to waste.

  28. comment number 28 by: Matt

    empraptor, I think that a certain degree of difference is all it takes to have an abnormally high rate of *anything*. Thus differences in crime rate, etc, cause a lot of racial trouble in society.

  29. comment number 29 by: Errol

    29 empraptor Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 6:43 am

    But once you hand over your money via tax or transaction and they get their salary, it is their money to waste.

    Then best not to hand over your money? Try explaining that to the Tax Office. And how can the wives and children of these prostitution addicts stop their husbands and fathers from handing their money over to pimps? Is there any correlation with the divorce rate?

    I fail to see the connection between prostitution and your other complaints.

    About time a Korean sociologist tested that assertion.

    1.7% of GDP on domestic prostitution and anotehr 1.3% on overseas prostitution.

    What’s the current Korea Discount Rate?

    30 Matt Says:
    October 7th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Thus differences in crime rate, etc, cause a lot of racial trouble in society.

    Thus differences in the prostitution rate cause …

  30. comment number 30 by: empraptor

    Matt,

    You lost me here:

    “Thus differences in crime rate, etc, cause a lot of racial trouble in society.”

    Errol,

    “Then best not to hand over your money? Try explaining that to the Tax Office.”

    What next – will you refuse to pay taxes until public servants stop spending their money on casinos, booze, porn, and (insert something you don’t approve here)?

  31. comment number 31 by: Matt

    empraptor, what I mean is that different people have different levels of tolerance for various social phenomena, such as crime, but it could also be things like drinking, degree of extroversion, or any number of things. The tolerance level is the average level that a given group of people are doing something. When they see other groups doing more or less of something than average, then those groups get painted with a broad brush. Thus the existence of “bad minorities” along with “model minorities”.

  32. comment number 32 by: Errol

    32 empraptor Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    What next – will you refuse to pay taxes until public servants stop spending their money on casinos, booze, porn, and (insert something you don’t approve here)?

    They can do whatever they like with “their” money. Unfortunately, it’s usuaally not “their” money but taxpayers’ money, shareholders’ money, their wives’ money.

    Clink on this sentence to see a link for a visit to Nike. Who paid for this junket?

    Your paternalistic claim that it is “their” money leads to the quote by Kim Dae-joong. Click on the quote to see the full article.

    In Western European countries, the life of a politician or bureaucrat comes to an end when their lies are revealed. Mistakes they forgive; lies never.