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TV show about comfort women

March 7th, 2007 . by Matt

This is Japanese TV show that discusses the comfort women controversy.

The highlights –

Prime Minister Abe is asked in session of parliament by the leader of the opposition party why he said there was no testimony about Japanese soldiers kidnapping women from their homes, etc, when women testifying before Congress are testifying to that and Prime Minister Abe replied that “There is no testimony supported by evidence”

Congressman Mike Honda is called a self proclaimed Japanese-American internee. They say there was no evidence that he was interned at a camp at all. He is also called a race hustler, “a broker that turns race into money”.


75 Responses to “TV show about comfort women”

  1. comment number 1 by: GarlicBreath

    Gil won ok:

    She is 78 here

    Somehow she is 80 here.

    Sad old liar. She was an old whore.

  2. comment number 2 by: nighthawk

    kjeff,

    Opp’s post above has an answer to your question. (my thanks to Opp.) Yes, yes, Honda listens to non-Koreans if they say soemthing useful for him. But you see my point, Honda has no interest in get the historical facts straight. He is just getting old people to speak up for the agenda.

    I like the anti-Japan song you learned in Java, and you should let Mr. Honda know about it. Perhaps he will invite you to testify in the House about how Indonesians still hate the Japanese, too, for putting their beloved Dutch white women into sex slavery 🙂

  3. comment number 3 by: kjeff

    opp,
    Thanks for the info. I couldn’t fully understand what you wrote fully, so I refrain myself from responding to it. (English my second language, so in that sense, my bad)
    .
    nighthawk,

    Yes, yes, Honda listens to non-Koreans if they say soemthing useful for him. But you see my point, Honda has no interest in get the historical facts straight. He is just getting old people to speak up for the agenda.

    I hazard a guess that you must be a very ‘young’ person. I know that political correctness is being pushed to absurdity nowadays, but I think to suggestively use ‘old’ age as a defect falls beyond measure of politics. We’ll get ‘old’ someday, even the very ‘young’, please remind yourself that.
    As for Congressman Honda, in a sense, you’re right. People listen what they want to hear, but it’s presumptious to think that he “has no interest in get the historical facts straight.” BTW, I could say the same for “honest” Abe.

    I like the anti-Japan song you learned in Java,…

    I’m glad that you like it.
    Perhaps he will invite you to testify in the House about how Indonesians still hate the Japanese, too,…

    I think it’s safe to say that, with regard to Japan aggressions during WWII, there are still deep resentments across Asia, and I think it’s best to remember that it’s not just limited to the Koreans.

  4. comment number 4 by: kjeff

    egg,

    Sorry to interupt. Kjeff, are you thinking that the Japanense goverment made orders directly to her soldiers and policemen to catch women and make them comfort women? If so, why do you think like that? Even if they had been caught by Japanese soldiers and policemen, that does not directly mean so.It might just have been a personal crime.Is there any witness who say the kidnappers were working on duty? If you have some evidence showing the Japanese goverment`s direct involvment ,will you please tell me? I just want to learn.No offence.Thank you.

    None taken, and I’ve never said so. I think my position on this matter is somewhat similar to her so I’ll let her to the explaining since she’s a better writer than I am.

  5. comment number 5 by: tomato

    kjeff,

    I suggest you do a extensive research on the 1965 Basic Treaty between Korea and Japan and the history of postwar German compensation. You’ll find that the individual compensation issue has been resolved between the two nations. You should be aware of how much was paid by Japan to the Korean government.

    The compensation fund set up by the Germans in 2000 accounted for certain citizens that were not covered by governmental compensation agreements- mostly people from Eastern Europe. Nobody is getting second bites at the apple here. And did the German government issue an apology when setting up the fund? Why do you think it was in the form of a fund– you should note that the German government even avoided to use the word “settlement” so as not to manifest any legal responsibilities.

    The level of misinformation going around Japan is just terrible, and people don’t even seem to conduct basic researches– I sometimes sense there is some level of racism going on when western reporters praise the Germans and trash the Japanese on this issue.

  6. comment number 6 by: kjeff

    tomato,
    Please read my previous comments, you’ll see my thoughts on apology and compensation. And, I was responding to egg’s questions, and “somewhat similar” “position on this matter” should be limited to that context.
    The level of misinformation going around

    Japan is just terrible, and people don’t even seem to conduct basic researches– I sometimes sense there is some level of racism going on when western reporters praise the Germans and trash the Japanese on this issue.

    When I was in 2nd grade, I came back from school crying, “Mom, everyone hates me, everyone…” And she calmly said, “Instead of crying, don’t you think you should try to find out why?”

  7. comment number 7 by: ponta

    (off the topic

    When I was in 2nd grade, I came back from school crying, “Mom, everyone hates me, everyone…” And she calmly said, “Instead of crying, don’t you think you should try to find out why?”

    Did you find the answer? what was it?)

  8. comment number 8 by: tomato

    When I was in 2nd grade, I came back from school crying, “Mom, everyone hates me, everyone…” And she calmly said, “Instead of crying, don’t you think you should try to find out why?”

    So you’re trying to suggest the Japan is being hated by everyone around the world, eh? And that Japan is crying out? Just give me a break, here…

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/325.php?nid=&id=&pnt=325&lb=hmpg1

    The fact is, most of the moaning and groaning about Japan comes out from your peninsula. It’s quite amazing that you can have such outrageous perception of the world- guess nationalism is really blinding you.

  9. comment number 9 by: kjeff

    tomato,

    The fact is, most of the moaning and groaning about Japan comes out from your peninsula.

    Hahahaha…
    Even your own link suggests that billions of Chinese east of our “peninsula” are the ones who do “most of the moaning and groaning about Japan.”

    Just give me a break, here…

    Ditto

    It’s quite amazing that you can have such outrageous perception of the world- guess nationalism is really blinding you.

    First, the context of that study is irrelevant to our discussion. If you’d asked me what I think of Japan’s influence, I would have no negative things to say about Japan. (Hentai being the exception, to me, it’s borderline pedophilia.) Affordable cars, fun mangas, great food(especially snacks), clean minimalism, love them all. It’s the seemingly (you know what I think about apology and compensation) unrepentant attitudes about past aggressions by some, notably those in public, are what relevant here.
    Second, if you see the coverage, in the world media(outside Japan), of P.M. Abe’s remarks, my “perception of the world” is neither “ourageous” nor “blinded”, no? If you can find a non-Japanese coverage/opinion/editorial that is supportive of P.M. Abe’s distinction of coersions, I’d certainly love to read it.

  10. comment number 10 by: ponta

    Hentai being the exception, to me, it’s borderline pedophilia.

    Hentai is for Hentai, you don’t view it if you are not Hentai.
    BTW
    Adult sites most favored by Koreans in Asia
    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2001020632980&path_dir= 20010206

    Harmful Websites in the Korean Language Rank 2nd
    http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2003042888988&path_dir= 20030428
    Koreans are great fans of Japanese pornography.
    http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200610/17/200610172221142939900090409041.html

  11. comment number 11 by: kjeff

    ponta,
    I have to say I’m impressed. Again. You always find some way to say, “Koreans did too.” Congratulations!!!

  12. comment number 12 by: ponta

    Kjeff, you are welcome, My comment is the the expression of my being impressed that you mentioned Japan again.
    BTW Thank you for having interest in Sony and Hentai related works. In passing, Hentai is the first Japanese word I heard from you.Good luck to your learning Japanese.

  13. comment number 13 by: egg

    54 kjeff Thank you for your kind reply.I will study it carefully and make some comments later.Thank you again.

  14. comment number 14 by: kjeff

    ponta,
    Hey, you caught that ‘Sony’ bit, huh? It’s w950, cost me a small fortune.

  15. comment number 15 by: GarlicBreath

    kjeff said:
    ponta,
    I have to say I’m impressed. Again. You always find some way to say, “Koreans did too.” Congratulations!!!

    Koreajeff trolls up hentai and says its like pedophelia (perhaps koreanjeff is an authority of this subject). When he gets a responce to his troll, he claims that Ponta always says “koreans did too” as an excuse.

    Pathetic, Koreajeff, really really pathetic.

  16. comment number 16 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,
    One word, ‘shuttlecock’.

    P.S. Ask jion999, if you don’t know what I mean.

  17. comment number 17 by: GarlicBreath

    Koreajeff,
    one word “troll”. Now stop trying to hijack threads with stupid off topic anti japanese trolling comments.

  18. comment number 18 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,
    .

    The key element under attack by a troll is the forum or group’s hegemony. Hegemony refers to the recognized and agreed upon power structure of the said group or community. To this extent, a troll does not necessarily have to make malicious or incorrect comments. For example, a person with political point of view A who approaches a forum frequented by people with political point of view B, may be considered a troll, even if no lies or attacks are made.

    If hegemony is what Matt and Gerry want, I’ll bid my good bye, until then… (Sourced from the very same paragraph that you did yours.)

    Thread hijacking is the act of trying to steer a web forum discussion thread off topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the subject at hand.

    Please point out… specifics, please!!!

    “stupid”:
    1.lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
    2.characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
    3.tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
    4.annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
    5.in a state of stupor; stupefied: stupid from fatigue.
    6.Slang. excellent; terrific.

    Hmmm…I’m guessing you’ll go with number 4? Or, WILL you?

    Anti-Japanese sentiment involves xenophobia, particularly dislike, grievance, suspicion, dehumanization, intimidation, fear, and/or hostility of the Japanese people, Japanese nation and/or Japanese culture.

    Again, enlighten me… specifics, please!!! Pretty please…

  19. comment number 19 by: tomato

    Well, it’s the same ol’ game again- if you can’t win’em in an argument, make fun of their libido or whatever…utterly disgusting. If that’s not a troll, what is?

  20. comment number 20 by: kjeff

    tomato,
    Are you talking to me, well, about me?

  21. comment number 21 by: GarlicBreath

    Koreanjeff drops his off topic comments in and then demands proof of his off topic trolling anti-japanese comments. Korea jeff, can we PLEASE bring this topic back to the origional post.

    BACK to the topic. Yes it seems that Mike Honda is very corrupt: Please read.

    Doolittle Scandals grow
    Foreign Lobbies Took the Guise Of Nonprofits
    By James V. Grimaldi and Susan Schmidt
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Friday, November 3, 2006; A01

    Early last year, two little-known nonprofit groups paid for Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-Calif.) and his 12-year-old daughter to travel to South Korea and Malaysia. Their last stop was the Berjaya Beach & Spa Resort on the Malaysian island of Langkawi, where they bunked at an oceanfront chalet staffed with a personal butler, got massages and rode water scooters on Burau Bay.

    Doolittle’s junket, which cost $29,400, was among the most expensive privately sponsored trips by members of Congress in recent years. The two groups that split the bills were not ordinary nonprofits. They were fronts for vigorous lobbying campaigns bankrolled by foreign entities and were operated by a Washington lobbying firm, Alexander Strategy Group, according to public records and people who worked with the firm.

    For five years beginning in 2001, the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council and the U.S.-Malaysia Exchange Association treated 12 members of Congress and 31 Capitol Hill staffers and their relatives to nearly $500,000 in trips that included stops at U.S. and overseas resorts, records show.

    The two nonprofits and the lobbying firm behind them have drawn the attention of the FBI. People associated with Alexander Strategy, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said federal investigators have asked them whether the groups were conduits for a foreign government and a foreign corporation to finance congressional junkets.

    Records show that the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council was funded by the Hanwha Group, a South Korean conglomerate. The stated goal was to enhance the influence of Hanwha’s chairman, Seung Youn Kim, a controversial figure once jailed for violating Korean financial law in his purchase of Sylvester Stallone’s Hollywood mansion. Lobbyists for the U.S.-Malaysia Exchange Association filed reports stating that their funds came from a Malaysian energy firm and that the work was “on behalf of the government of Malaysia.”

    Federal law prohibits members of Congress from knowingly accepting overseas travel from foreign governments except as part of a cultural interchange program approved by the State Department. The travel in this case was not part of such a program, government officials said. House rules ban members from taking trips paid for by lobbyists or foreign agents. Nonprofits and their officers are prohibited under federal tax law from using a charitable organization for private commercial gain.

    Once a major lobbying firm, Alexander Strategy Group closed down early this year. Its owner, Edwin A. Buckham, former chief of staff to now-departed House majority leader Tom DeLay, is under investigation in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal, according to lawyers and witnesses with knowledge of the probe. Authorities are also reviewing Buckham’s use in the 1990s of another nonprofit, the U.S. Family Network, the sources said.

    The Korean and Malaysian nonprofits were created in 2001. Their combined budgets of more than $2.5 million, as well as their checkbooks and operations, were controlled by Alexander Strategy, according to people affiliated with the firm at the time. Records show that Alexander Strategy took in $620,000 in fees for its work on the Malaysia account. A Hanwha subsidiary in the United States, Universal Bearings Inc., paid the lobbyists $940,000 for the Korea work.

    The nonprofit groups, on the strength of Buckham’s GOP connections, sponsored trips for Republican House members DeLay; Doolittle; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Ander Crenshaw and Tom Feeney of Florida; John Carter of Texas; Scott Garrett of New Jersey; and Roger Wicker of Mississippi.

    Buckham had a strategic alliance with a Democratic lobbying firm, the Harbour Group, located in the same building on K Street. Harbour received about $500,000 in fees from the two nonprofits, according to tax and lobbying disclosure records. The firm arranged for trips taken by Democrats including Rep. Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota, Rep. Jim McDermott of Washington, Rep. Mike Honda of California and Del. Eni F. H. Faleomavaega of American Samoa. Harbour also arranged for former president Bill Clinton, who was on his own Asian trip, to meet with Hanwha officials in Seoul and Beijing.

    Some of the lawmakers on the trips were in positions to help other Alexander Strategy clients. Doolittle, who serves on the House Appropriations Committee, told The Washington Post this year that from 2002 to 2005 he sponsored $37 million in spending-bill earmarks that went to a firm controlled by a key Alexander Strategy client. The client, Brent R. Wilkes, is a target of the federal investigation stemming from the bribery case and guilty plea of former representative Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-Calif.). Doolittle’s wife, Julie Doolittle, was hired by Alexander Strategy to help keep the books for the Korean nonprofit.

    Buckham and Edward Stewart, who had been his top associate at Alexander Strategy, declined to be interviewed for this article.

    Joel Johnson, a former senior adviser in the Clinton White House who ran Harbour Group at the time, said he was a subcontractor to Buckham’s firm and thought of the work as lobbying for business interests behind the nonprofits.

    Johnson said he relied on Buckham’s assurance that the groups were proper. “This did not look like a fly-by-night operation, because it had very respected, prominent people on board,” he said.

    Doolittle spokeswoman Laura Blackann said last week that the congressman believed that his trip to Asia, in February 2005, was proper and that it had nothing to do with the earmarks. He said he paid out of his own pocket for some of the activities on Langkawi, such as the massages and watercraft rentals.

    Other members of Congress said they did not know the source of funding for the nonprofits. Said Mike DeCesare, spokesman for McDermott, “Obviously if Congressman McDermott knew, he wouldn’t have taken the trip.”

    Helping Chairman Kim
    During its five years of existence, the Korea-U.S. Exchange Council described itself in its tax returns as an educational group that spent nothing on lobbying.

    But its filings with the Justice Department contradicted those returns. The council registered with Justice as a foreign agent, saying that it was financed by Hanwha Group and that Kim chaired its board of directors. It filed a plan detailing Alexander Strategy’s lobbying campaign for Kim, which promised him extensive contacts with Washington lawmakers and policymakers.

    The plan stated that the purpose was “to define Chairman Kim of the Hanwha Group as the leading Korean business statesman in U.S.-Korea relations” and to strengthen “Hanwha’s global position.” A 2002 audit of the nonprofit by the accounting firm Gelman, Rosenberg and Freedman said “approximately 99.9 percent” of its revenue came from one organization.

    While the Korea council was filing as a foreign agent with the Justice Department, its lobbyists were declaring in their filings to Congress that the nonprofit had no significant foreign ownership.

    “What they were telling the Department of Justice and what they were telling the IRS suggests you can’t trust either set of documents,” said Marcus Owens, a Washington tax lawyer and former Internal Revenue Service nonprofit chief who reviewed hundreds of the group’s records compiled by The Post. “The reality is the organization was designed to provide a conduit for influence.”

    Alexander Strategy and Harbour lobbyists directed a steady stream of U.S. lawmakers and staffers of both parties to Seoul, where Kim squired them to meetings with top government officials. Kim traveled several times to Washington, where, according to the reports to the Justice Department, he met with prominent politicians and lawmakers.

    Former president Clinton traveled to Beijing and Seoul at the invitation of the Korea council in November 2003. He appeared with Kim at the opening of the Beijing office of Korea Life Insurance Co., a Hanwha subsidiary, then traveled to Seoul for golf with Kim and meetings with political leaders.

    Clinton’s representatives did not respond to requests for comment on the visit.

    The publicity provided a counterweight to Kim’s troubles at home. He and other executives at Hanwha were under criminal investigation for allegedly bribing politicians in the company’s 2002 takeover of state-controlled Korea Life. Within weeks of Clinton’s visit, Kim and other Hanwha executives were barred from leaving Korea. One was later convicted in a bribery scheme. In February 2005, Kim was questioned by prosecutors but not charged.

    The fact that the Korea council was a registered foreign agent was revealed in a March 2005 Post article. Some Congress members and aides who went on the trips said they had not known about the registration.

    Former secretary of state Henry A. Kissinger, the best-known member of the Korea council’s board, resigned, telling aides he had not known it was a lobbying operation.

    A Scant Paper Trail
    Like the Korea council, the U.S.-Malaysia Exchange Association sponsored trips by members of Congress and staffers. Some began with a meeting with Kim in Korea and finished with beach time in Langkawi courtesy of the Malaysia association.

    The lawmakers and aides said they believed their travel was a legitimate function of a nonprofit group. In fact, the group’s work was carried out on behalf of the Malaysian government and was funded by Malaysian business interests, both of which sought to improve the Islamic nation’s image with U.S. politicians, according to public records and people familiar with the operation of the lobbying firms.

    Much remains unknown about the U.S.-Malaysia Exchange Association because the only public documents are its incorporation papers and the biannual reports it filed with the District. On its board of directors were two Malaysian ruling-party officials, Jamaludin Jarjis and Megat Junid; former Wyoming senator Malcolm Wallop (R); and Stewart of Alexander Strategy.

    According to the IRS, the group never filed a tax return. The IRS said the association was granted nonprofit status, but the agency could not locate the application.

    The congressional trips were organized by and billed to Alexander Strategy, according to people familiar with the operation of the lobbying firm. Alexander Strategy received $620,000 in fees that originated with Malaysian business interests and was routed through a Hong Kong firm called Belle Haven Consultants, according to documents filed by Alexander Strategy with the Justice Department. Belle Haven also paid the Harbour Group $240,000, records show.

    Wallop, who was hired to lobby for Belle Haven, said in an interview this summer that the Hong Kong firm got its money from P.K. Baru Energy in Malaysia. That company, he said, was one of the businesses that wanted to improve the nation’s image in the United States after a disastrous 1998 visit by Vice President Al Gore, who walked out of a banquet to protest alleged human rights violations and anti-Semitic comments by Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad.

    “They wanted to make it known that it was a more civilized and courtly place than that,” Wallop said. “A way to achieve that was to meet members of Congress.” Some lawmakers who went on the trips received briefings from Belle Haven executives about Malaysia’s strategic importance.

    In their last two years of filings, Belle Haven’s U.S. lobbyists reported that the Hong Kong firm was doing its work on behalf of the Malaysian government.

    In 2002, the lobbyists took large delegations to Malaysia and Langkawi, including staffers to Rep. J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Sen. Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), Rep. Richard K. Armey (R-Tex.) and Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.). Meeks himself and Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Tex.), both on the House Financial Services Committee, went on one of the trips and met with officials of Malaysia’s Islamic banks; the lawmakers’ expenses were paid by a Malaysian think tank.

    When Mahathir arrived that spring for a visit with President Bush, he was welcomed on Capitol Hill. The prime minister met with then-Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.), DeLay and Hastert, among others. And Meeks and Sessions announced the creation of a congressional caucus on Malaysia Trade, Security and Economic Cooperation.

    Amid Scandal, One Last Trip
    By the beginning of 2006, Alexander Strategy Group had shut down the Korea and Malaysia nonprofits — just before the lobbying firm itself went out of business because of its links to the Abramoff scandal. Buckham is referenced in the plea agreement of his former colleague, Tony Rudy, who admitted to corruption charges stemming from his work as a lobbyist and as deputy chief of staff to DeLay.

    The FBI has questioned witnesses in recent months about Alexander Strategy’s use of nonprofits and its hiring of congressional spouses, including Julie Doolittle and Christine DeLay, wife of the former House majority leader.

    Alexander Strategy paid Julie Doolittle about $30,000 to do bookkeeping for the Korea nonprofit. Other contracting work by Julie Doolittle, for one of Abramoff’s charities, has led investigators in the Abramoff probe to scrutinize John Doolittle’s activities, sources have told The Post.

    Blackann, John Doolittle’s spokeswoman, did not respond to a question about whether the congressman knew that the Korea nonprofit, which helped pay for his February 2005 trip to Asia, was funded by a foreign corporation.

    The Doolittle trip was the last one sponsored by the nonprofits as a wave of controversy about overseas junkets and lobbying abuses swept the Capitol. Also on the trip, which cost more than $80,000, were congressmen Wicker and Pomeroy, Wicker’s wife, and a Wicker aide.

    The contingent spent four days in Korea before flying to Kuala Lumpur for two days, where they met the Malaysian prime minister. Pomeroy flew home, and Doolittle and his daughter, Wicker and his wife, and the aide spent three days at a resort hotel in Langkawi, an island whose beaches are rated among the world’s 10 best by a National Geographic Society publication.

    Accompanying the congressmen were three Belle Haven representatives, Malaysia politician Jarjis and three lobbyists — Wallop, Alexander Strategy’s Stewart and Johnson, who by then had moved from the Harbour Group to the Glover Park Group.

    Doolittle, Wicker and Pomeroy said the trip had been approved in advance by the ethics committee. But House ethics rules leave it up to individual members to determine whether a trip meets the standard of official duties.

    “I was disappointed to learn — upon returning — that the groups in question had failed to properly file their status,” Pomeroy said in a statement. “Knowing what I know now, I would not have gone on these trips.”

    Doolittle spokeswoman Blackann said that the first six days involved official meetings and briefings and that Doolittle paid for the recreational activities, which took place on the weekend. Doolittle declined to make available the receipts, kept in Washington, because he was campaigning in California.

    Blackann also said Doolittle returned gifts received on the trip, which people familiar with the details of the trip said included a hand-tailored Korean suit for the congressman and a stylish equestrian outfit for his daughter from the Royal Polo Club in Kuala Lampur.

    The spokeswoman said the congressmen also took a boat ride “to visit areas that had been ravaged by the tsunami” that had hit the South Pacific two months earlier.

    A news report days after the tidal wave said Langkawi received comparatively minimal damage and “remained normal with hordes of tourists going about their holiday without any worry.”

    Wicker, in an interview, acknowledged that the island visit was meant for relaxation. He said he and his wife also got massages.

    The itinerary for Langkawi was to look at tsunami damage and “to have a little downtime,” Wicker said. “But the logistics of getting to the tsunami became a problem. It did become a couple of days of downtime.”

    Research editor Alice Crites contributed to this report.

  22. comment number 22 by: GarlicBreath

    Mike Hyundai donar list reads like a whos who from the Chinese Korean community.

  23. comment number 23 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,

    BACK to the topic. Yes it seems that Mike Honda is very corrupt: Please read.

    Wow, in that 2000+ words article, Rep. Honda’s name is mentioned ONCE(as a side note). He is very corrupt indeed. I’m smelling reek of desperation.

  24. comment number 24 by: kjeff

    GarlicBreath,

    Mike Hyundai donar list reads like a whos who from the Chinese Korean community.

    I wonder why you didn’t link initial ‘K’, I’ll bet there’ll be a lot ‘Kim’ or ‘Kang’… Oh, I see…then again, you’ll also see ‘Kawahara’, ‘Kitashima’, and ‘Kurasaki’. Hmmm…
    GarlicBreath, you’re so persistently clueless that some might think you posted your half-thought-out, half-researched(those are being generous) to make me look GOOD. Come on!!! You can do better than that.

  25. comment number 25 by: egg

    Kjeff sorry to be late.Now I want to make some comments against the article which you recomended. I must admit it was rather hard for me to read, considering my English abilities.

    Just as there is no dispute that Germany recruited forced labor, so too the fact that the “comfort stations” existed is not in doubt. But whereas the German government has acknowledged, apologized and paid compensation for forced labor, prominent Japanese politicians have repeatedly shown reluctance to acknowledge the forcible nature of Japanese wartime recruitment, both of laborers and of “comfort women.” It is this latter issue that became headline news in the first week of March 2007.

    I think I heard about forced labor in Germany at my highschool history classes, but I thought that the point of the issue was the abuse of the Jews and political prisoners under the orders of the government.Did the German government appologise to those who were cheated into forced labor in the private sector?

    Abe, however, clearly has no problem with the proposition that the recruitment of “comfort women” was forcible “in the broad sense of the word,” and feels no historical responsibility for this, since he has made it clear that he and his government will not apologize whatever the outcome of the U.S. Congressional resolution. [4] His Foreign Minister Aso Taro, has also attacked the U.S. resolution, saying that it is “not based on the facts.” [5]

    The author of the article has a misunderstanding here.PM Abe is only saying that there are no evidences which point out to forced sex labor in the narrow sense of the word. He is not going to appologise because the resolution is thought to be about the narrow sense of the word. He is not denying forced sex labor in the broad sense and therefore he is going to keep Kono statement.

    Australian former “comfort woman” Jan Ruff O’Herne, together with two Korean women, is among those who gave moving first-hand testimony to the U.S. Congress about her wartime experience of rape and abuse in a “comfort station.”

    I didn`t know about her so I will try to find out.

    Some of these were managed by civilians for profit, but frequented by members of the Japanese armed forces; others were established and run directly by the Japanese military. Former Prime Minister Nakasone recalls in his memoirs authorizing the building of a “comfort station” on the island of Borneo for the use of men in his Naval Corps. [7]

    I didn`t know that there were brothels run directly by the Japanese military.But were the comfort women in those brothels kidnapped by the Japanese military? If they were recruited in a peaceful way, what responsibility should Japanese government take?(I am not saying that no one was kidnapped.I am saying that kidnapping or cheating by the Japanese goverment should be proved before writing like that.By writing “brothels were run directly by Japanese military”, she sounds like comfort women in there were kidnapped or cheated directly by Japanese military.)

    A very large number were women from Korea and China. Many had been lured away from their homes with promises of work in factories or restaurants, only to find themselves incarcerated in “comfort stations” in foreign lands. Other women in Korea, Southeast Asia, and elsewhere were rounded up at gunpoint. Some were raped by soldiers before being herded into “comfort stations.”

    Once again, who did the promises? What are the evidences that prove they were rounded up at gunpoint?She should prove the roll of the Japanese government and the evidences before asking the responsibility.You might say it is already proved somewhere.But Kjeff, I think you will agree with me that if you are told that your knowlege is wrong,you will want to know why your knowlege is wrong too.I am not trying to offend you or accuse you. I just want to know.

    Following this statement, in 1995 the Murayama Tomiichi government gave its support (but not official funding) to the creation of a private Asian Women’s Fund, which collected donations from ordinary Japanese citizens to provide some monetary compensation to surviving victims of the scheme.

    I thought most of the money came from Japanese budget.Am I wrong?
    By the way,I think it is good to conpensate to the forced(in the broad sense)comfort women.And I think when the narrow sense of forced were proved, further more should be done.But on the other hand it is difficult to draw the line.There were some who volunteered to the military or worked in the mines because of poverty too, I guess.Should the Japanese government conpensate to them all? The Japanese budget will bankrupt.Difficult question.

    In 1996, a Special Rapporteur appointed by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights issued a detailed report on the “comfort women” issue. Its conclusions are unequivocal:

    It was only “Take note” and that was the lowest grade of importance.To say further, the researcher heard nothing from the Japanese government and I think that is not fair.

    Further testimony from former “comfort women” and others (including former members of the Japanese military who had visited “comfort stations”) was collected by the Women’s International War Crimes Tribunal, a public forum organized in 2000-2001 by Asian women’s groups. A leading organizer of the Tribunal was the award-winning Japanese journalist Matsui Yayori (who died in 2002), and the evidence presented was assessed by international jurists including Gabrielle Kirk Macdonald, former president of the Yugoslavia War Crimes Tribunal. [12]

    This was a peoples court.Not only the accused(they were dead ,so off course they couldn`t),but also a lawyer wasn`t present at the court.I must say it was a savage attempt.

    Matt and everyone,sorry it became too long.
    Kjeff,the comments I made rather might be pointed to the author but I will appreciate you, if you have enough time to tell me your opinion.Writing this, I really realised my lack of historical knowlege.I will try to learn more. Please feel free to criticise me.Thank you.

    Now I will go back to my study.My examination is comming nearby.(ToT)