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War with Iran coming soon

September 5th, 2007 . by Matt

The amount of spin about Iran and nuclear weapons is similar to that of the spin about WMD in Iraq before the invasion of Iraq. Then, as now, no real evidence was offered, and we are expected to accept the word of the same people that lied about Iraq that we need to have a war with Iran. It is amazing that these people are even able to show their faces in public, let alone still be accepted a legitimate public figures.

Here is a comparison of the war propaganda being foisted upon us (Via Lewrockwell).


19 Responses to “War with Iran coming soon”

  1. comment number 1 by: ponta

    http://www.scribemedia.org/2006/10/11/israel-lobby

    Not totally related to the topic, but I’ve found it interesting.

  2. comment number 2 by: kjeff

    ponta,
    I’m glad to see you again. And, thank you for the video. I think I would defer to Mr. Rasheed’s comment that there are currently no two sides of the debate on the issue. I really wish that muslims around the world can get their act together. They are definitely a growing population across Europe and in the U.S., and the sooner they realize that their size and numbers along with the democratic process(via lobbying), rather than delusional trips to nirvana, will better serve their goals, the better. I must admit that it’s probably difficult to ‘organize’ as muslims without feared of being labeled as terrorist organization…

    Matt,
    Great video… I was amazed that people believed that Saddam was ‘in bed’ with Al-Qaeda before. Yes, he paid the family of the Palestinian suicide bombers, but that’s probably more like a bribe to his afterlife gatekeeper for his secular ways than anything else. But still, he was a Sunni… To believe that Iranians are doing business with Al-Qaeda, Sunni crazies, though, reaches another level of ignorance. If Iran were to give a bomb to an Al-Qaeda operative, good chances are it would end up blowing poor Iraqis in a Shiite market in Iraq. I think Fox News knows this, and deliberately misled the American people. And, I guess there’s nothing like the name ‘Al-Qaeda’ to shore up the public’s fear…even when it’s blatantly false. Then again, what else are you going to call them… Iran is helping Shiite Iraqis fighting the civil war?
    Blah blah blah…short of direct attack by Iran, I doubt anything will materialize.

  3. comment number 3 by: Richardson

    People toss around the term “lied” way too much;

    http://www.dprkstudies.org/documents/SpiesLiesWeapons.pdf

  4. comment number 4 by: mattrosencrance

    Yes: you’d have to have lived in an information vacuum to have not realized by now that the US populous and the world were lied to about the ‘evidence’ for the Iraq War.

    By its hubris and its zealous nature, this US administration did something comparably bad to killing a dictator (who needed it anyways), which in turn destablized a country (which didn’t): he got rid of the country that was balancing Iran.

    The nuclear plan is there, but the burden is Iran’s to prove that it’s completely civilian. Because they haven’t done so, the US feels carte blanche to talk about it because we’re pissed at them over other things, e.g. their exacerbation of our destabilization of Iraq.

    Most of the IED’s and many of the ‘insurgents” weapons are of Iranian make and origin.

    As naively optimistic as the neo-con vision of playing ‘democratic dominoes’ with the Middle East was, in no way, shape or form is it in Iran’s interest to have a liberal democracy with a liberal open market, friendly to the West on its doorstep. The Iranian people are pretty reasonable, even if its government is not; how would they maintain power if Iraq flourished?

    For this reason they have a tendency to send sabeteurs, weapons and money intended for those aims into Iraq. By such means, they hope to wreak havoc and then say to their own populace: “This is the democracy that you long for?”

    Sadly, in the event the US went to war with Iran, it would probably not be to occupy as in Iraq. We don’t have the resources currently. We would probably destablize just for the sake of prompting a revolution, which would be like betting someone else’s farm at Vegas. This is sad not so much because of the loss of life, but because about half of Iran is interested in the West and know what schmeg dollup their government is. By attacking, we’d either kill reasonable people or make enemies of them, when they could be an asset.

  5. comment number 5 by: GarlicBreath

    Interesting, another post criticizing the USA and still no Americans are calling Mr. Matt or the blog anti-American or racist. Yet every single post about great corea gets a cacophony of gyopos yelling racism and anti-coreanism.
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    too funny..
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    (side note: many of these gyopos claim to be “american” yet they are always at the head of the line when it comes to anti-americanism)

  6. comment number 6 by: alec931

    Garl,
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    “Interesting, another post criticizing the USA and still no Americans are calling Mr. Matt or the blog anti-American or racist. Yet every single post about great corea gets a cacophony of gyopos yelling racism and anti-coreanism.”
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    A post about Iran, and somehow you bring up “great corea” in this……pretty lame. Just another example of your trolling and proof that you need to get a life 🙂
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    “Mr. Matt”
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    A lame way to kiss ass.
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    “too funny..”
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    really? where’s the “kakakakakakkakakakakakkakakakakakakakaka”??? Another lame post by Garl. Lame.

  7. comment number 7 by: MarkA

    Matt can criticize us all he wants…you earn that right when you’re on the same team, as opposed to some other country which I won’t mention….

  8. comment number 8 by: empraptor

    I don’t mind the criticism of the current administration and neo-conservatives in general. They’ve earned it.

    If he were to make some unjustified generalization about Americans I might be offended. But really, I don’t think I could call Matt racist for something he says about Americans in general. Maybe I’m just not thinking hard enough.

  9. comment number 9 by: alec931

    MarkA,
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    “Matt can criticize us all he wants…you earn that right when you’re on the same team, as opposed to some other country which I won’t mention…”
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    I don’t get it….just because he was born in a particular country, raised in a particular country, and/or holds citizenship of a certain country, he “earned” the right to criticize you (I assume you mean Americans) all he wants?
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    Well, for what it’s worth, I guess it’s not as lame of a way to brown nose as calling him “Mr. Matt”.

  10. comment number 10 by: MarkA

    I don’t get it….just because he was born in a particular country, raised in a particular country, and/or holds citizenship of a certain country, he “earned” the right to criticize you (I assume you mean Americans) all he wants?

    Yes.

  11. comment number 11 by: empraptor

    I think it’s not so much that Australians earned some kind of right to criticize Americans but that so many times Koreans choose to raise hell about the dumbest shit and in the most outlandish way possible. It gets annoying after a while.

    Any fair well-presented criticism, regardless of the critic’s citizenship, is welcome. In my opinion, anyway.

  12. comment number 12 by: GarlicBreath

    Well before the USA bombs Iran, the US needs to finish up this war.

    Roh tried to put Bush on the spot. And Bush put Roh in his place. I hope Bush wises up and realizes that the North and South Coreans aer on the same side.

    Bush said that during his talks with Roh, he reaffirmed the U.S. position that Washington will consider the war formally over only when North Korean leader Kim Jong Il actually dismantles his nuclear program.

    Whatever Roh heard Bush say through his translator, it wasn’t good enough.

    “I think I did not hear President Bush mention the – a declaration to end the Korean War just now,” Roh said as cameras clicked and television cameras rolled.

    Bush said he thought he was being clear, but obliged Roh and restated the U.S. position.

    That wasn’t good enough either. “If you could be a little bit clearer in your message,” Roh said.

    Bush, now looking irritated, replied: “I can’t make it any more clear, Mr. President. We look forward to the day when we can end the Korean War. That will end – will happen when Kim verifiably gets rid of his weapons programs and his weapons.”

    The White House immediately downplayed the testy exchange and said the meeting went smoothly.

  13. comment number 13 by: GarlicBreath

    This is the funniest line:

    “I can’t make it any more clear, Mr. President.

    Bush is a fool, but Roh makes Bush look smart.

  14. comment number 14 by: GarlicBreath

    I guess it’s not as lame of a way to brown nose as calling him “Mr. Matt

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    A lame way to kiss ass.

    Another lame post by Garl. Lame.

    Kakkakak kakak. lil’al you have lost it. TOOOO FUNNY..kakakak.. kaka..kakakak …kakkakakak
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    Do me a favor lil’al, and quit obsessing on me, and if you want to comment on something, comment on topics posted on the blog.
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  15. comment number 15 by: alec931

    empraptor,
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    “I think it’s not so much that Australians earned some kind of right to criticize Americans but that so many times Koreans choose to raise hell about the dumbest shit and in the most outlandish way possible. It gets annoying after a while.

    Any fair well-presented criticism, regardless of the critic’s citizenship, is welcome. In my opinion, anyway.”
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    Well said.
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    Garl,
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    “Kakkakak kakak. lil’al you have lost it. TOOOO FUNNY..kakakak.. kaka..kakakak …kakkakakak”
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    How did I lose it?
    And why are you so lame?
    🙁

  16. comment number 16 by: alec931

    MarkA,
    With that kind of logic (or lack thereof), people like you give Americans a bad name. 🙁

  17. comment number 17 by: MarkA

    I’ll take that as a compliment.

  18. comment number 18 by: GarlicBreath

    Lil’Al
    With that kind of logic (or lack thereof), people like you give Americans a bad name.

    Marka does more for America in one morning the YOU lil’al will do for America in your life. Lil’al has a knife deep in the back of America.

  19. comment number 19 by: alec931

    Garl,
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    “Lil’al has a knife deep in the back of America.”
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    Care to explain what that means?
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    And you still haven’t answered me: how did I lose it? Come on, let’s see that arguing ability of yours.