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What will Koreans do if the US attacks North Korea?

January 9th, 2006 . by Matt

A survey in South Korea conducted by Super-J Channel (6th of June 2005) of Japan asked respondents to choose from three potential answers in regards to ‘what would you do if America attacked North Korea without the Permission of the South Korean government?

attack japan
In answer to what he would do if America attacked North Korea, this Korean man answers “I would attack Japan”

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Answers to the question ‘what would you do if America attacked North Korea without the Permission of the South Korean government?

31.2% – Support America

47.6% – Help North Korea

21.2% – Attack Japan

Note – The survey above was conducted by a Korean research company, and the man in the first picture was from an informal street survey by Super-J Channel to find out if it was true.

We have heard of Koreans saying they would rather attack America than North Korea before, but it boggles the mind that more than 20% of Koreans would want to attack Japan if America attacks North Korea. Looking at the guy in the picture, he doesnt look insane so he must have formed his opinions somehow. Maybe through the anti-Japanese media or the anti-Japanese education system.

Update: A commenter called void offers evidence that the pie graph is a photoshop.

Hello, I’m new commer here. I’ve enjoyed your articles.
I watched the man in first picture on TV, but I believe the second pie-chart is a photoshop.
The gray part is for “other” answers, not “Attack Japan”.
The picture in following blog may be the near-original.

http://shiratorijun.blog4.fc2.com/blog-entry-21.html

I was shocked by the response of the guy anyway…

Good work, void.


95 Responses to “What will Koreans do if the US attacks North Korea?”

  1. comment number 1 by: Matt

    Nice try Matt, That would simplify things nicely

    Life is not as black and white as you paint it unfortunately

    Nig, I just thought that comparing the Amercian efforts to fight terror, which are well intentioned, and North Korean kidnappings of people which are bad intentioned was in bad taste. I still think its in bad taste. I am sure the Americans have made mistakes with who they arrested, but that doesnt mean they deliberately go after innocent people, like North Korea did. The majority of the people in Guantanamo are also probably guilty as sin.

    I am against many of the Bush administration’s policies. I think America is abusing human rights in the Cuban detention centre by taking advantage of a Geneva convention loophole.

    The US is fighting a very unconventional war. The Geneva convention was for wars against nation states, not terrorists. Unless you are suggesting that terrorists are following the Geneva convention, then there is no reason to apply it to them.

    This does not equate to my supporting North Korea or being an Islamic Fundamentalist.

    If you are trying to put North Korea on the same level as the US by saying the US kidnaps people as well, then you are.

    I know ths website is all about sweeping generalisations and categorisation but I don’t buy into it. Its an oversimplification for people who don’t have the capacity to comprehend diversity.

    You dont mind making sweeping generalizations about Japanese people.

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Matthew, chapter 7.

  2. comment number 2 by: nig

    Ponta,

    “No big jumps away from what you said, but just a close reading of what you said, and a reasonable interpretation, isn’t it?.”

    That is a huge jump. In fact it is completetly unconnected.

    Hancheonyeon is supported by a tiny % of the Korean population. It is just a minority of misguided university students at the moment. More like 0.02% than 47.6%. If they got anywhere near 10% support, the Korean government would have to act immediately to retain stability.

    You should really go to Korea yourself and see that it is not a seething steaming hotbed of communist support. People are more interested in hello kitty bags than kim jong il.

  3. comment number 3 by: nig

    Here is an interview that an Irish reporter did with George W. a while back. It shows that he cannot deal with direct journalistic questioning. The USA media is under his thumb so he doesn’t get questions like this over there as they are happy to sit there listening to his repetitious rhetoric all day.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0624/primetime/primetime56_1c.smil

  4. comment number 4 by: ponta

    Nig
    You said,
    “I think it is the Japanese who are showing their lack of education and knowledge of world politics in supporting America’s war on terror.
    Japan is also divided on this issue”.
    But I think no Japanese, nor Germans nor French will help North Korea if the US attack North Korea to liberate North Koreans.And this is the point.

    BTW,I do not know much about Christian Science, but the article was not the survey, it was an argument. It is the argument that makes the claim unreliable. It might be better to focus on the argument it presented.

  5. comment number 5 by: darintenb

    I think it is the Japanese who are showing their lack of education and knowledge of world politics in supporting America’s war on terror.

    If we want to make sweeping generalizations… Then let’s not forget that Japan has one of the percentages of high school graduates at age 25 in the world. Much higher then the US where school is required until you’re 18 for example. The trend continues on when you look at college too. I think the Japanese are a very well educated people. That’s a sweeping generalization, because there are certainly people inside that group who are dumb as rocks, but statistically, it’s not as bad as many other countries.
    As for supporting America’s war on Iraq… It depends on when the survey was taken. If it was taken right before or at the beginning, then support was indeed high because all anyone knew were lies. I believe that if a survey was to be taken again, the results would be much different. Kinda like Bush’s approval rating in the states. He’s at what, 30% now? (That stat is could be wrong, but I think that’s what it was.. either way, it’s way low.) I think most Japanese people now are against the Japanese presence, and are against the war as whole. However, I understand why Koizumi ignores the people and does what he does on this issue. Japan, a nation with no military, is not liked by China and Korea, nations with militaries, nations with militaries that are growing fast. Japan needs an ally to keep a balance. Japan is in a tough situation. Be America’s bitch, or be China’s bitch. I think the choice to be America’s bitch was a good one, because backing down on an issue against China only makes China think it can whine more and get more. At least as America’s bitch, Japan has free speech. Something China’s not happy about, and demanded that Japan censor it’s media like China, only to (sort-of) retract the statement and the reaffirm it.
    http://blog.goo.ne.jp/aquarellisute/e/0751b22a865920214a324cd81304338a

  6. comment number 6 by: ponta

    Nig
    “You should really go to Korea yourself and see that it is not a seething steaming hotbed of communist support. ”
    Do people like Gman on this blog not beat me to death if they know I am Japanese?( I am kidding)

    “People are more interested in hello kitty bags than kim jong il.”
    That is good to hear.(*^_^*)

  7. comment number 7 by: ponta

    Nig
    “No big jumps away from what you said, but just a close reading of what you said, and a reasonable interpretation, isn’t it?.”

    That is a huge jump. In fact it is completetly unconnected.

    Let the readers judge, Okay?

  8. comment number 8 by: darintenb

    ponta, just make sure there are no fire extinguishers around and make sure you don’t try and stop a robbery, and you’ll be fine. and don’t be fooled into thinking it’s safe just because there are security cameras being monitored live … keep those things in mind, and you should be alright. 😉

  9. comment number 9 by: ponta

    darintenb
    “ponta, just make sure there are no fire extinguishers around and make sure you don’t try and stop a robbery, and you’ll be fine. and don’t be fooled into thinking it’s safe just because there are security cameras being monitored live … keep those things in mind, and you should be alright.”
    Thanks,
    Tell me while we are at it.
    Should I appologize because I am Japanese and cry out “Docto belongs to Korea!!!
    Should I eat Kimichi and say Kimchi is No1 food in the world though I do not like kimichi?
    Should I bring a lot of hello kiity to give away in case somebody get emtional while talking with me?
    (^_-)

    Nig I am kidding, Okay?a bad joke —I know.m(_ _)m

  10. comment number 10 by: nig

    Matt,

    “You dont mind making sweeping generalizations about Japanese people.”

    Most of my generalisations about Japanese people were satirical or made in order to let the Japanese see how it feels to read a comment turned back at yourself. Many of the Japanese criticisms of Korea seen on this site are the same criticisms that other nationalities make or have made in the recent past of Japan. I can go into that in futher detail if anyone is interested.

    “The majority of the people in Guantanamo are also probably guilty as sin.”

    Your use of the word probably is the most important and telling part of that sentence. The biggest problem is that the American government is also happy with the probably bit which is entirely against the basic concepts of democracy

    “Unless you are suggesting that terrorists are following the Geneva convention, then there is no reason to apply it to them. ”

    They can be convicted using International courts if there is sufficient proof against them regardless of the laws they do or don’t adhere to. You don’t have to drop to their level to beat them. That is a step backwards in progress of civilisation terms.

    The war on terrorism is just giving the terrorists the means to recruit more idealistic young people to the cause. They should focus on stopped the misuse of Islam that some clerics are exploiting to encourage people. This is a good move by Britain.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4602466.stm

  11. comment number 11 by: nig

    darintenb,

    “Japan, a nation with no military, is not liked by China and Korea, nations with militaries, nations with militaries that are growing fast. Japan needs an ally to keep a balance. Japan is in a tough situation. Be America’s *****, or be China’s *****. I think the choice to be America’s ***** was a good one, because backing down on an issue against China only makes China think it can whine more and get more. At least as America’s *****, Japan has free speech.”

    Japan doesn’t need to be anyone’s lapdog. It is that kind of flawed military based line of thinking that forces nations into conflicts to preserve alliances.

    Look at WWI for example. The european part of that conflict was entirely avoidable.

    I think it is that line of thinking that also got a lot of countries dragged in to this unwinnable war on terror in the first place. Most of America’s allies were just countries that believed they needed the umbrella of the American military.

    My country has virtually no military either and we are very happy that way. We are trying to resolve our difference with England diplomatically and will continue to do so.

  12. comment number 12 by: ponta

    Most of my generalisations about Japanese people were satirical or made in order to let the Japanese see how it feels to read a comment turned back at yourself. Many of the Japanese criticisms of Korea seen on this site are the same criticisms that other nationalities make or have made in the recent past of Japan

    Nig, I respect your love for Korea,(though I do not understand why you support some Korean’s unreasonable attitude against Japan) .But you do not have to think like some Koreans. You must know whoever criticize Korea does not have to be Japanese.If you want to criticize Ponta, name Ponta and criticize Ponta’s argument.I do not generalize about Irishman from your comment.

    Honestly I do not understand your position.I think you love Korea, but if you love Korea, I think the logical things for you to do is to show respect the Korean institute,https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=130#comment-3364 accept the survey (I do not think it is trash, nor tabloid sensationalism as you imply
    https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=130#comment-3370)and tell South Koreans what is happening in North Korea,
    Nig, I do not think the US will attack North Korea: the cost is too high. To change the cruel dictationship, the allies must work together, but if South Korea perceive her allies and North Korea in the way the survey shows,you can not expext her to do so..
    Nig,I do not think South koreans support communism, but I think they love their race and blood, so in order for them to move toward helping people in North Korea, I think all they need to know is just truth about North Korea.
    Nig, I think you have much to do other than supporting anti-Japan Koreans

  13. comment number 13 by: darintenb

    Japan doesn’t need to be anyone’s lapdog.

    No, they don’t. What they need is to be independent, and they need their own military to do so, but the neighbors don’t like the idea of not being able to invade Japan whenever possible so they piss their pants until the stench of urine is so strong that Japan just says ‘whatever’.

  14. comment number 14 by: chindit

    Nig:

    You wrote:

    “…They can be convicted using International courts if there is sufficient proof against them regardless of the laws they do or don’t adhere to. You don’t have to drop to their level to beat them. That is a step backwards in progress of civilisation terms…..”

    People who have been captured or kidnapped by Islamic terrorists tend to have their heads cut off on videotape that will be aired on Al Jazzerra. Saying that the United States is dropping to the level of the terrorists is incorrect. Meanwhile, the captured terrorists on Guantanomo Bay are afforded rights and even military counsel to argue their cases. Heck, accomodations are made so they can even pray to Allah during their detention. Their cases are even reviewed the the US Supreme court. These terrorists have more rights than they would give if they had captured some infidel. I’m sure the ones who have been beheaded didn’t have any of the rights anyone had at Guantonomo Bay.
    Plus, those who are caught by the terrs tend to be innocent people like journalists, aid workers and anyone else deemed to be an infidel. The US and the free world can hardly be accused of stooping to the level of the terrorists.

    You also wrote:

    “The war on terrorism is just giving the terrorists the means to recruit more idealistic young people to the cause.”

    The terrorists are fundamentalists who can’t be reasoned with or be engaged with rational negotiations. In their warped mind we’re infidels and therefore they must destroy us. To stand by and do nothing in the face of terrorism isn’t going to make it stop. They aren’t afraid of death either. Sure, a military act by the US may make more recruits for the terrorists. But to quote a line from the movie Munich that presents a good analogy, “….just because your fingernails keep growing back, do you stop cutting them?…” The same can be said about fighting terrorism. If they continue to attack us, we must fight back.

  15. comment number 15 by: darintenb

    Would it be fair to say that the ‘terrorists’ have more rights inside US containment centers then they would if they were ‘free’? Probably. Not that I’m saying that what the US is doing is right, I’m just saying that it’s not the same. Every issue needs to be looked at on an individual basis.

  16. comment number 16 by: kenji808

    Hmmm…chindit brings up a good point. Terrorists in Guantanamo Bay have a shyt load of rights. Its ridiculous because as you mentioned innocent civilians are beheaded ruthlessly and without thought. But alas, we, as the world police, have to act nobly, so we have to follow the rulebook no matter how frustrating and angering it is. *Sigh* what a world we live in.

  17. comment number 17 by: nig

    “Would it be fair to say that the ‘terrorists’ have more rights inside US containment centers then they would if they were ‘free’? ”

    No. That would not be fair or accurate. It such a daft statement that I can’t even be bothered to find a link to support my comment.

  18. comment number 18 by: nig

    chindit,

    Unfortunately your response is in line with the attitude of most of CNN watching middle America.

    “People who have been captured or kidnapped by Islamic terrorists tend to have their heads cut off on videotape that will be aired on Al Jazzerra. Saying that the United States is dropping to the level of the terrorists is incorrect”

    “Plus, those who are caught by the terrs tend to be innocent people like journalists, aid workers and anyone else deemed to be an infidel. The US and the free world can hardly be accused of stooping to the level of the terrorists.”

    Sorry for the long quote but it was necessary for my response. I feel sorry for the journalists and their families. I don’t see them as entirely innocent though. They are aware of the risks associated with their actions. I feel more sorry for the innocent people who died in the Iraq invasion and subsequent violence because of an American miscalculation.

    http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

    The Bush admin thought that the Iraqis would welcome them after Saddam was gone. They thought they could impose democracy in Iraq. Democracy cannot be imposed. It has to be chosen.

    The won the land without winning the minds of Iraqis and now they are paying the price unfortunately. They have created a giant recruiting ground for muslim terrorists. How does that make the world safer?

    “The terrorists are fundamentalists who can’t be reasoned with or be engaged with rational negotiations. In their warped mind we’re infidels and therefore they must destroy us”

    Here we can see the dehumanisation of the terrorists. This is also a misconception. Many of the terrorists (especially their leaders) are educated and intelligent. I strongly disagree with what they are doing but it is a big mistake to assume they are unthinking programmed killing machines.

    “To stand by and do nothing in the face of terrorism isn’t going to make it stop.”

    This is true but there are many ways to combat terrorism that don’t involve compromising our way of life and freedom and don’t involve waging unsuccessful wars.

  19. comment number 19 by: nig

    Ponta,

    “Nig, I think you have much to do other than supporting anti-Japan Koreans.”

    Do you think Japan also needs people to educate its people on racism and foreign misconceptions or not?

  20. comment number 20 by: nig

    Here is an interesting piece from today’s guardian outlining how daft some of America’s military policies are.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1684564,00.html

  21. comment number 21 by: Mika

    Do you think Japan also needs people to educate its people on racism and foreign misconceptions or not?

    Every country has its racist, hate mongering elements and always will. What’s different in Korea is that for the most part these elements are hardly rebuked or pulled up. In fact, it’s promoted by the media. If any major Japanese news paper published hateful caricature like these, there would be lots of complaints from the public.
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405040048.html
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504080027.html

  22. comment number 22 by: nig

    Yes. Japan’s racism is different than Koreas.

    Japanese racism occurs at high administation levels instead of in the media. I have never heard anything from people in positions of responsibility in Korea that rivals the ignorance of Shintaro Ishihara.

    BTW I don’t think the first of these cartoons is in any way offensive. The second one may be because of its reference to nuclear bombs but thats about the sum of it.

  23. comment number 23 by: ponta

    Ponta,
    Do you think Japan also needs people to educate its people on racism and foreign misconceptions or not?

    Thanks, nig
    Yes, definitely.There are so many problems Japan has to address on this matter.

    More and more people from abroad will come and work and live in Japan than ever. We already have some problems and we will have more problems we have not expected.
    For instances,there has been an interesting discussion going on on the following blog.
    http://asiapages.typepad.com/the_asia_pages/2006/01/elevator_etique.html
    Is it okay to ask to the Asian American in the US where you are from ?
    I’ve never thought of this kind of question, But the same kind of question will occur in Japan in the future. I think what is important in any case is to maintain democracy, to maintain freedom of speech, to have open discussions.

    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405040048.html
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504080027.html
    I don’t think the first of these cartoons is in any way offensive. The second one may be because of its reference to nuclear bombs but thats about the sum of it.

    Thank you for your honest opinion.
    I too think these are plausible cartoons in a sense freedom of expression must be valued.
    Imagin the same cartoons with the following caption.
    The first cartoon.http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405040048.html

    Down at the funny farm, the doctor declares, “Ah, it’s time for them to bite flags.” In the hospital room labeled, “Korea,” Korean majority chant, “Dokdo is Korean territory.”

    The second cartoon http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504080027.html

    Korea feels like it’s been ruled by other country AGAIN as Prime Minister Koisumi thunders, “It’s a great misfortune that the entire world has to live with such people.

    It might be fun but if these are published by mistake in a major newspaper in Japan, I think the cartoonist and the editor will be fired.
    (BTW what is it that you do not like about Ishihara? Could you quote the statements Ishihara has made that made you think he is ignorant?)

  24. comment number 24 by: darintenb

    I think it’s the comics are indeed self reflective considering Japan isn’t the one bitching about Dokdo/Takeshima. Japan makes statements, and Korea riots. Isn’t Korea the one that’s spazing out in need of medication? I think Japan is being pretty mature about it.
    It’s a great misfortune the world has to live with such people? Yea, because you read so much about Japanese people going around and attacking police in foreign countries don’t you. Really causing troubles for the world huh? They may have opinions that differ from other countries, but they’re not getting violent. I’d rather argue with someone I disagree with all day then have to fear for my safety because their culture is one of riots incapable of discussion.

  25. comment number 25 by: Mika

    >Japanese racism occurs at high administation levels instead of in the media. I have never heard anything from people in positions of responsibility in Korea that rivals the ignorance of Shintaro Ishihara.

    In Japan, if someone made a racist remark publicly, they get lots of complains and it make headlines. How about Korea? I believe no one say or do anything when someone make a racist comment about Japanese. Even if there are people who think rationally, they are discouraged to express their opinions in public because of ultra-nationalists.

    >BTW I don’t think the first of these cartoons is in any way offensive. The second one may be because of its reference to nuclear bombs but thats about the sum of it.

    Of course, you don’t think they are offensive because you are not Japanese. You obviously don’t know how Japanese are getting tired of Korean’s anti-Japanese hate-mongering campaign.

  26. comment number 26 by: nig

    Ponta,

    “(BTW what is it that you do not like about Ishihara? Could you quote the statements Ishihara has made that made you think he is ignorant?) ”

    Here is one page about the things he has said. Its an ugly page but I am almost finished work and I don’t have the patience to find better ones. There are loads of pages about his comments on the web. I would be interested to hear what the Japanese posters on this page think of him.

    http://www.japantraveler.com/issues/0005/racism.html

  27. comment number 27 by: nig

    Darintenb,

    “It’s a great misfortune the world has to live with such people? Yea, because you read so much about Japanese people going around and attacking police in foreign countries don’t you.”

    The Japanese farmers were there too.

    http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/051213/w121394.html

    “A few blocks from the convention site, several-dozen protesters – mainly South Korean farmers – hit police officers with bamboo sticks and tried to ram through a roadblock. The police responded with pepper spray.

    The scuffle lasted about a half-hour and died down as police reinforcements arrived. No serious injuries were reported

    The protesters, who also included Japanese, Indian, Filipino and Brazilian farmers, burned a coffin that was used as a protest prop during a street march that police said drew 4,500 people.”

    Do you have other examples of Korean’s attacking police outside Korea that didn’t have Japanese joining them?

  28. comment number 28 by: tomato

    Yeah, right, nig.

    Stop distorting facts- unless you want do join the Korean neo-nazis.

    You are chasing a ghost.

    I wonder where you picked up your anti-Japanese ideas.

  29. comment number 29 by: tomato

    So..Listening only to what the Koreans or other anti-Japanese nations say. It is easy to believe in them since they pose to be victims, even to this date. Hey, when did Korea become independent?

    I guess somebody’s view of Japan comes from the 1930s-40s when anti-Japanese propaganda was all over in the west. The ignorance about the history and the present political/social situation of Japan is just disgusting. A balanced view? Yeah, right.

  30. comment number 30 by: ponta

    Nig thanks

    “Many sangokujin and other foreigners who have entered Japan illegally have repeatedly committed atrocious crimes. In the event of a major earth quake, even riots may break out.” Ishihara went on to say, ”Police have their limits. I hope you will not only fight against disasters but also maintain public security on such occasions. I hope you will show the Japanese people and the Tokyo people what the military is for in a state.” (Note: In the modern vernacular “sangokujin” means “low-class foreigners” or literally “third world person.”)

    http://www.japantraveler.com/issues/0005/racism.html

    Sangokujin is the word that much older people was said to use and younger Japanese hardly recognised the term.(When I first heard the word, I thought it is the word related to Sanguo Zhi.)
    So we have to hear what he meant by it.
    Here is what Ishihara explained what he meant.
    例えば、わたしの使っている大群林に第三国人という項目があってね。一は当事国以外の国の人。二はね、第二次大戦前、および大戦中、日本の統治下にあった諸国の国民のうち、日本国内に居住した人々の俗称と書いてある。そしてね、敗戦後の一時期、主として台湾出身の外国人や朝鮮人を指していた。わたしはね、この字義に沿って第一義の意味でね。外国人という言葉で使ったんだが、このごろの人には耳慣れない言葉だから、あえて重ねて外国人と言いました。
    For instance, according to a dictionary called “daigunrin” which I am using,there is a term daisangokujin, it says1)nationals other than its own country 2) a common name for nationals for residences in Japan under the domination of Japan before and during the war.And a short period after the war, it refered to mainly foreigners from Taiwan and Korea I used it in the first sense,that is, I meant foreigners but I thought younger people did not know the word, so I bothered to rephrase it as a foreigner..
    http://homepage.mac.com/postx/isihara/kaiken.html

    And here is a statistics of the crimes by illegal immigrants from China and Korea byMinistry of Justice.
    http://www.npa.go.jp/kokusai2/15b/contents.htm
    The number of crimes by Chinese and Koreans have been rising.
    (There are pros and cons about it
    pros
    http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%96%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%BA%E7%8A%AF%E7%BD%AA
    http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~saitota/hitori040506.htm
    cons
    http://www.npa.go.jp/sosikihanzai/kokusaisousa/kokusai1/15a/contents.htm)

    Still I think it was wrong he made such a statement.

    I for one am not for Ishihara, but I think he is often misrepresented by journalists.
    I think he is less radical than some of koreans and pro-Korea people..
    Ishihara did not employ military presence at takeshima, though you agreed with korean milirary presence on the island.
    https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=129#comment-3343
    (Are you sure you are not based on ” flawed military based line of thinking”?
    https://www.occidentalism.org/?p=130#comment-3437)

    And he has never made statement such as “It’s a great misfortune that the entire world has to live with Koreans” which Chosun Ilbo amounts to say if the case is reversed.
    http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200504/200504080027.html
    I guess even Ishihara would think such a statement is offensive though you seems to think it is not offensive at all..

    ut yes, he often makes inappropriate statements.Everytime he does that, Japanese jounalists and political party harshely criticize him.I think that is important because in a country where there is no criticism against such statements and there is unreasonable social pressure to free speech, the country is not democracy anymore. I hope you know what I mean.

  31. comment number 31 by: kei

    http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/tachikoma/article/337/

    Korean always imitate our cartoon culture(that’s OK)
    and insist that those are of their own

  32. comment number 32 by: darintenb

    nig: yea japanese were involved in the protest.. but what about the riot? protesting something is fine, rioting, attacking police, endangering lives because you’re a freeking lunatic is not fine. how many japanese were arrested compared to korean? doesn’t japan have twice the population of korea? don’t they have many more farmers then korea? every country protests, and in every group of protests their are lunatics that go wild. the percentage just seems to be much higher in korea then it is in every other country. they even riot and attack their own police, and then demand apologies and people’s jobs as well as threatening the authorities families lives when the police defend themselves against the spaz-mob.
    there is a level of demonstration that is acceptable.. the line is NOT finite, difficult to see.. it’s clear that a large number of koreans have crossed that line on many occasions. again, there are lunatics everywhere, but there seems to be a strong concentration in korea

  33. comment number 33 by: ponta

    In Japan, there is no one who sympathize with a Japanese who were arrested in Hong Kong
    In Korea the South Korean government has appealed to the Hong Kong government repeatedly to release the protesters
    Even Korean Wave stars ask for leniency for Korean rioters in Hong Kong

    In Japan, Ishihara has strong opponents.
    If Ishihara said ,
    “Hospitarize majority of Koreans who cry out Dokdo is our territory”
    “It is great misfortune that the entire world has to live with Koreans”,
    he would be bashed or politically dead at worst..

    But when Chosun libo said,
    “Down at the funny farm, the doctor declares, “Ah, it’s time for their meds.” In the hospital room labeled, “Japan,” right wing extremists chant, “Dokdo is Japanese territory.”
    “It’s a great misfortune that the entire world has to live with Japanese.”
    No Koreans even take notice of inadequacy of the expression.
    And Nig ,who is pro-Korea, said that they were not in any way offensive.

    Nig, I think you are supporting Korean jingolistic ideology.

  34. comment number 34 by: Chewbacca

    “Nig, I dont argue any issue with Koreans EVER. Nor do I interrogate Koreans on anything. I actively avoid bringing up the issues I write about on Occidentalism because I know how pointless it is to discuss them. The knowledge gap is just too great so there is no way to have a verbal discussion them”

    I’ll vouch for Matt on this one. WE try to not bring this topic up when mixing with our Corean friends. I made the mistake of starting this debate with my corean friends at a BBQ and it ended up with three girls in tears. I guess the truth is pretty hard to hear. I was shocked to hear some of the opinions of the younger Corean generation, they even went as far as saying that the Japanese/American/Australian government had actually conspired to change the history of corea, and the real histopry is actually only known by them,,,,,its really quite pathetic the lengths they go to….

  35. comment number 35 by: nig

    Chewbacca

    “I made the mistake of starting this debate with my corean friends at a BBQ and it ended up with three girls in tears.”

    Any debate that ends up with people in tears suggests that you have communication problems. I wouldn’t be citing this as justification of Korean people’s inability to listen to the truth.

  36. comment number 36 by: Chewbacca

    Your pathetic nig,
    one of those people in tears actually informed the next day that the reason they were upset is because they feel sad that the western view of corean history is so different from there own and this upsets them and they actually thanked me for listening to their side…..
    communication problems i think not you fool…..

  37. comment number 37 by: empraptor

    And 4 months later…

    Hi. New here.

    Let’s just for a moment assume ( &:-P ) that Koreans partially blame Japan and US for Korea being split into two nations at war with each other. Assume that some SK’s feel Japan and US are reaping what they have sown with the headache that is NK.

    Assume also that they perceive Japan as having great diplomatic influence over the US… that the US is Japan’s lapdog. Maybe similar to how many Arabic Muslims view US as Israel’s lapdog.

    There’s a lot of warm fuzzy feelings among young South Koreans toward the North these days. I don’t think it takes too much imagination to go from there to why some Koreans say “If US attacks NK unilaterally, attack Japan”. Goes to the root of the problem, as they see it.

    But I suspect the response is not an honest opinion of the best course of action. It’s more likely evidence that young Koreans feel animosity toward what they see as past history and continuing trend of foreign powers trying to have their way in Korea Peninsula. An idle and self-indulgent threat of “kill you”, rather than premeditation for murder.

    I think I read someone suggest that US troops pull out of SK. That’s in the interest of neither US nor Japan. Both US and Japan have economic interests in SK. And for Japan, SK acts as a buffer of sorts against NK.

    Sure, you could move all troops in SK to Japan or elsewhere. But wouldn’t it be better for Japan if battles took place within SK? Maybe they could even profit from supplying war and reconstruction efforts, as I’m sure was the case with the Korean War.

    Whoever suggested US troops leave SK, I’m sure they meant it as a harmless reflex-utterance devoid of thought along the same line as the “attack Japan” response, but I feel it needs to be pointed out as such.

    Ideally, NK wouldn’t exist. Or would be a peaceful and economically sound state. But it’s not. Oh, well. NK needs to be dealt with, but hopefully not the guns-blazing Rambo style of dealing. Too expensive and crude that way. I wouldn’t want tax payer’s money disappear into another mistake on top of Iraq.

    It may be anywhere between an hour to a few months before I check this page again. I hope I’ve been clear enough that I don’t need to explain anything I’ve written.

    Also, am I to understand being from Korea increases the probability of my getting banned here? I certainly hope not.

  38. comment number 38 by: Matt

    Also, am I to understand being from Korea increases the probability of my getting banned here? I certainly hope not.

    Banned? No. Nobody gets banned because of where they are from. Why would you think that?

  39. comment number 39 by: empraptor

    Also, am I to understand being from Korea increases the probability of my getting banned here? I certainly hope not.

    Banned? No. Nobody gets banned because of where they are from. Why would you think that?

    That was my attempt at humor. My humor tends to be dry as a bone… that’s been left out to dry. Besides humor, also for testing the waters here.

    I was reading this long thread somewhere on your site. A portion of the comments were between a troll and some commenters deciding he’s Korean. I’m sure it was relevant to the topic at hand, but there seemed to be considerable emphasis on their ethnicity when they were being banned.

    There was also some opinions here that it’s hard to have a rational discussion about Japanese-Korean relations with Koreans.

    Given these info, I figured having grown up in Korea may be an issue here. But I’m glad to hear I am wrong.

  40. comment number 40 by: Matt

    Given these info, I figured having grown up in Korea may be an issue here. But I’m glad to hear I am wrong.

    Welcome to Occidentalism.


  41. […] Perhaps more disconcerting is this article, which features results of a survey conducted (in South Korea) by Super-J Channel of Japan: Answers to the question ‘what would you do if America attacked North Korea without the Permission of the South Korean government?‘ […]

  42. comment number 42 by: void

    Hello, I’m new commer here. I’ve enjoyed your articles.
    I watched the man in first picture on TV, but I believe the second pie-chart is a photoshop.
    The gray part is for “other” answers, not “Attack Japan”.
    The picture in following blog may be the near-original.

    http://shiratorijun.blog4.fc2.com/blog-entry-21.html

    I was shocked by the response of the guy anyway…

  43. comment number 43 by: Matt

    Hello, I’m new commer here. I’ve enjoyed your articles.
    I watched the man in first picture on TV, but I believe the second pie-chart is a photoshop.
    The gray part is for “other” answers, not “Attack Japan”.
    The picture in following blog may be the near-original.

    http://shiratorijun.blog4.fc2.com/blog-entry-21.html

    I was shocked by the response of the guy anyway…

    Nice catch. I will put your comment in the main text.

  44. comment number 44 by: empraptor

    lol void is right.

    They used different fonts for “attack Japan” option (I assume that’s what it says).

    And they must have used characters from 31.2% to paste in the percentage figure for that option.

    So never mind about my reasoning for why young Koreans might have said that.

  45. comment number 45 by: Yoshi_UK

    Whatever we do, they remain as 忘恩之民 (ungrateful people). The Japanese fought against China, thus they became independent in 1895 as 大韓帝国. The Yanks fought for South Korea, so they managed to somehow have more freedom than their compatriots in the North.

    See what they’re saying now. They’re blaming Japan and America for everything while their own people are suffering the hell on earth just north of the border (and they even financially support this horrible regime).

    I think we really cannot do anything about it. They’ve been like that since the history began.